Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.

Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.

So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.

Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.

I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.

I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.

I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.

I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
Deacon mark

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 11:33:41 AM UTC-7, Mark Cleary wrote:
> Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
>
> Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
>
> So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
>
> Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.
>
> I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
>
> I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
>
> I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.
>
> I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
> Deacon mark

Real cyclists ride alone if necessary. Bikes Direct was nothing more than a company where you could save money purchasing lesser known bikes like the Motobecane. I bought a couple for the kids and Melissa finished 3rd in the Jr. Nationals on it.

On 5/13/2023 2:33 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.

I think it varies tremendously with the person. I'm a member of what's
always been a very social bicycle club. The members have a wide range of
cycling speeds and abilities. Most members are quite friendly. But
people vary. I've heard of cyclists who actually get a bit rude if
anyone else says hello as they ride. Thankfully, those seem to be very
unusual.

I suppose some cyclists may appear unfriendly because they are deep into
their personal training regime. That could be a downside of data
fixation via Strava or other systems: "I can't be bothered to talk to
you because I don't want to record a slower average speed." In fact, I
remember one very nice guy who happened to sync up with a moderate paced
club ride I was on, rode and conversed with us for several miles, then
said "OK, I gotta go. I'm trying for a KOM on this next segment" and was
gone.

Also, in many activities there's a tendency to seek out people who are
somewhere near your own level. Good musicians probably want to play with
other good musicians, expert birders may prefer not to spend time
instructing newbies, book clubs discussing Proust don't spend much time
talking about Dave Barry, etc. Then there's the tendency to
self-segregate by age, ethnic group, etc. It's not uncommon for teens to
somehow "not notice" elderly people who walk by within a few feet of them.

As to deleting your posted comments, all I can say is the internet makes
people weird.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 13 May 2023 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Mark Cleary
<deaconmjc08@gmail.com> wrote:

>Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
>
>Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
>
>So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
>
>Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.
>
>I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
>
>I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
>
>I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.
>
>I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
>Deacon mark

I suppose some people look down on me because I ride a Catrike.
Fortunately, I'm a sticks and stones guy and I never understood why
people are offended by the opinions of people who like or approve of
me.

I only look down on people riding electric bike, otherwise I try to
ignore other riders and whatever they're riding.

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:33:41 PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
> Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
>
> Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
>
> So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
>
> Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.
>
> I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
>
> I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
>
> I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.
>
> I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
> Deacon mark

Don’t take it personally. I appreciate your kudo’s and won’t delete a comment. I am not the person to follow a lot of persons and don’t give just anyone permission to follow me. It takes too much of my time. I check on you from time to time and then I think ‘Mark is doing OK’ no further actions needed but boy he starts early ;-).
Lou

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 3:00:45 PM UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:33:41 PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
> > Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
> >
> > Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
> >
> > So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
> >
> > Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.
> >
> > I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
> >
> > I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
> >
> > I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.
> >
> > I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
> > Deacon mark
> Don’t take it personally. I appreciate your kudo’s and won’t delete a comment. I am not the person to follow a lot of persons and don’t give just anyone permission to follow me. It takes too much of my time. I check on you from time to time and then I think ‘Mark is doing OK’ no further actions needed but boy he starts early ;-).
> Lou
Lou I think a few I gave you I notice your clicking along at a really fast pace. For me these days in the flat prairie anything 18mph and above is pretty good. !) years ago I could routinely do a solo19mph century with not special preparation or actually rest in my case. These days to average 18 I would need to rest up 2 days before. I am not one to take off days or actually rest because I am not training for anything. I just ride based on the day. I rather get out and do something that nothing. I believe you and I are about the same age and you too live in the flattest place in the world I think. I also do not follow many as such but I keep track of people I know from the parish. Yes I do get up early with the Monks. For me it is a great time to pray reflect on things. I cannot say up too late that is for sure but being retired from actually needing to show up at the gig makes all the difference.
Deacon Mark

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 10:11:10 PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 3:00:45 PM UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:33:41 PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
> > > Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
> > >
> > > Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
> > >
> > > So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
> > >
> > > Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team.." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.
> > >
> > > I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
> > >
> > > I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
> > >
> > > I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.
> > >
> > > I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
> > > Deacon mark
> > Don’t take it personally. I appreciate your kudo’s and won’t delete a comment. I am not the person to follow a lot of persons and don’t give just anyone permission to follow me. It takes too much of my time. I check on you from time to time and then I think ‘Mark is doing OK’ no further actions needed but boy he starts early ;-).
> > Lou
> Lou I think a few I gave you I notice your clicking along at a really fast pace. For me these days in the flat prairie anything 18mph and above is pretty good. !) years ago I could routinely do a solo19mph century with not special preparation or actually rest in my case. These days to average 18 I would need to rest up 2 days before. I am not one to take off days or actually rest because I am not training for anything. I just ride based on the day. I rather get out and do something that nothing. I believe you and I are about the same age and you too live in the flattest place in the world I think. I also do not follow many as such but I keep track of people I know from the parish. Yes I do get up early with the Monks. For me it is a great time to pray reflect on things. I cannot say up too late that is for sure but being retired from actually needing to show up at the gig makes all the difference.
> Deacon Mark

That is OK with me Mark. Keep doing what makes you feel OK. Still work 3 days a week but retire end of the summer (66 year 10 months). I push myself now and then when I ride alone. On Sundays club ride I have an easy time because we want to keep the group together and the oldest member is in his mid 70. Yesterday I was struggling with the wind but still 29 something km/hr over 85 km is not that bad for me this time of the year.

Lou

On Sat, 13 May 2023 11:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Mark Cleary
<deaconmjc08@gmail.com> wrote:

>Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
>
>Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
>
>So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
>
>Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.
>
>I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
>
>I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
>
>I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.
>
>I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
>Deacon mark

I believe that you are reading a post by Tom, our resident "nut" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 13 May 2023 13:34:34 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 10:11:10?PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 3:00:45?PM UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 8:33:41?PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
>> > > Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
>> > >
>> > > Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
>> > >
>> > > So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
>> > >
>> > > Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.
>> > >
>> > > I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
>> > >
>> > > I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
>> > >
>> > > I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.
>> > >
>> > > I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
>> > > Deacon mark
>> > Don’t take it personally. I appreciate your kudo’s and won’t delete a comment. I am not the person to follow a lot of persons and don’t give just anyone permission to follow me. It takes too much of my time. I check on you from time to time and then I think ‘Mark is doing OK’ no further actions needed but boy he starts early ;-).
>> > Lou
>> Lou I think a few I gave you I notice your clicking along at a really fast pace. For me these days in the flat prairie anything 18mph and above is pretty good. !) years ago I could routinely do a solo19mph century with not special preparation or actually rest in my case. These days to average 18 I would need to rest up 2 days before. I am not one to take off days or actually rest because I am not training for anything. I just ride based on the day. I rather get out and do something that nothing. I believe you and I are about the same age and you too live in the flattest place in the world I think. I also do not follow many as such but I keep track of people I know from the parish. Yes I do get up early with the Monks. For me it is a great time to pray reflect on things. I cannot say up too late that is for sure but being retired from actually needing to show up at the gig makes all the difference.
>> Deacon Mark
>
>That is OK with me Mark. Keep doing what makes you feel OK. Still work 3 days a week but retire end of the summer (66 year 10 months). I push myself now and then when I ride alone. On Sundays club ride I have an easy time because we want to keep the group together and the oldest member is in his mid 70. Yesterday I was struggling with the wind but still 29 something km/hr over 85 km is not that bad for me this time of the year.
>
>Lou

That's very good. I'm 78 YO and I'm averaging 12/14 MPH.. 20/22Km/HR

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 2:33:41 PM UTC-4, Mark Cleary wrote:
> Having been a dedicated rider for many years and long-distance runner for even longer, things I notice. Cyclists seem to me be clicky and not to open to conversation or riding with anything other than their own kind.
>
> Certainly, I am a long ranger rider because I go early and over the years it just makes is easier. However, I don't mind a bit of company if things are under control. I was passed yesterday in the middle-of- nowhere cornfield in Illinois by a rider I follow on Strava. He is a local guy with some talent for someone about 49 years old. As he came up from behind at about 6:30am he was passing did look back and kind of nod the head. Well I then decided to try and hang on for a bit. I did and fell pretty fast after 2 minutes and said loud enough I think to hear, " I am too old keep up." He went on his way although he was not just massively getting ahead.
>
> So later I gave the guy and Kudo's on Strava as I have done many times. He does not follow me but I don't care he is a strong rider. I then made a comment on Strava that I tried to keep up but just to old and slow.
>
> Well later I found he must have deleted the comment. I guess I am not sensitive, but I wondered why? I notice to the group he rides with out of the LBS are all group together and they appear as cyclist for the LBS "team." None of them paid or sponsored just a way for the LBS to show support.

I generally flash a peace sign at riders going the other direction, and just a simple 'good morning/afternoon' when I pass riders going the same direction. I've run into a lot of the snotty and aloof types you mention, I try not to ride with them unless it's a race situation and we're working a pace line.

>
> I have notice too that in general cyclists are a finicky bunch and very different than runners. I am a runner at heart but these days the bike takes priority. We never had that going seems you did run with those your speed but always encouraging an open to conversation with others..... ability meant nothing.
>
> I am 62 and by most standards a fairly strong cyclist for my age but of course I cannot keep up in the pace of real work with someone good who is 13 years younger.
>
> I mention this because cyclist seem to even have attitudes about bikes and what someone rides even. They all ride Specialized super bikes and look down on anyone riding some off brand. I remember 10 years ago I had a Motorbecane Immort Spirit from Bikes Direct. It was a 53/39 with dura ace 7800. Weigh about 17.5 pounds and road beautifully. I sold it for $750 after I had about 10,000 miles on it was still great. I remember a cyclist telling me cyclist would laugh at something from Bikes Direct, especially the namesake now a joke.

I left a local MTB group for scolding one of the more prolific members after he shamed a newbie for his equipment - a low-end MTB. The newbie hit up the yahoo group we had looking for riding advice and the other guy said basically that the newbies equipment wasn't good enough for the types of rides they do - something like "our rides dictate that you have tubeless tires and full suspension" (I specifically remember him using the word "dictates").. I had ridden with that crew - any reasonably fit person with basic off-road skills could keep up. The newbie never responded, and I called him out the member for being an asshole to people getting into the sport - I think I started out with "wouldn't it be funny if he showed up and left you in the dust on a Costco hardtail with schrader tubes" (which wouldn't have been unlikely, since this guy wasn't exactly the strongest rider in the group). Things went downhill from there.

More recently on a group MTB ride we came across this young kid with a low-end Trek - still had all the reflectors. There were maybe 8 of us - all current or former road and MTB racers, we passed the kid who heard us coming and pulled over to let us by on the trail. When we stopped at the next trailhead to decide on the upcoming route, and he came up behind us right after we started going. This happened a couple of more times until we hit a hill, then the kid passed a few of the guys. We weren't exactly riding at race pace, but we weren't just casually cruising the trails either. We struck up a conversation, turns out he was 13 and this was his first "bike with gears" as he put it.

> I don't get it but maybe this post makes no sense.
> Deacon mark

There isn't much to get. The guy's a dick.

On 5/15/2023 8:33 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I generally flash a peace sign at riders going the other direction, and just a simple 'good morning/afternoon' when I pass riders going the same direction.

Around here, a majority of motorcyclists give a special wave to other
oncoming motorcyclists. They take their left hand off the handlebar and
sort of flash it out to their left, sort of like a quick mini left turn
signal.
https://axleaddict.com/motorcycles/MotorcycleEtiquetteHowNotToWaveLikeADork

I do that when riding my motorcycle, and occasionally use that wave to a
motorcyclist while I'm riding my bicycle.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 11:06:12 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/15/2023 8:33 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I generally flash a peace sign at riders going the other direction, and just a simple 'good morning/afternoon' when I pass riders going the same direction.
> Around here, a majority of motorcyclists give a special wave to other
> oncoming motorcyclists. They take their left hand off the handlebar and
> sort of flash it out to their left, sort of like a quick mini left turn
> signal.
> https://axleaddict.com/motorcycles/MotorcycleEtiquetteHowNotToWaveLikeADork
>
> I do that when riding my motorcycle, and occasionally use that wave to a
> motorcyclist while I'm riding my bicycle.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
I don't care if anyone actually waves at me while riding a nod of head or something fine but nothing I care about. I was just surprised by this person since I followed them on Strava the must have know at least my name. The deletion of the comment was what I took as a way to say, get back. So I did. I am always a bit of joker on comments and people will occasionally comment on my rides. Sometimes I give my rides odd titles but not always.
Deacon Mark

On Mon, 15 May 2023 12:19:51 -0700 (PDT), Mark Cleary
<deaconmjc08@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 11:06:12?AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 5/15/2023 8:33 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I generally flash a peace sign at riders going the other direction, and just a simple 'good morning/afternoon' when I pass riders going the same direction.
>> Around here, a majority of motorcyclists give a special wave to other
>> oncoming motorcyclists. They take their left hand off the handlebar and
>> sort of flash it out to their left, sort of like a quick mini left turn
>> signal.
>> https://axleaddict.com/motorcycles/MotorcycleEtiquetteHowNotToWaveLikeADork
>>
>> I do that when riding my motorcycle, and occasionally use that wave to a
>> motorcyclist while I'm riding my bicycle.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>I don't care if anyone actually waves at me while riding a nod of head or something fine but nothing I care about. I was just surprised by this person since I followed them on Strava the must have know at least my name. The deletion of the comment was what I took as a way to say, get back. So I did. I am always a bit of joker on comments and people will occasionally comment on my rides. Sometimes I give my rides odd titles but not always.
>Deacon Mark

Most riders around here simply lift a finger or two off their grip.
Occasionally I'll return that signal when I notice it. What I really
dislike are the folks that make a big fuss like they just spotted
their long cousin. Phony exuberance is annoying.