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 by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 18 May 2022 13:07 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.
>
> https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html

Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

You're silly.

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Subject: Re: Solar panels and dust bowls don't mix
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 by: W - Wed, 18 May 2022 16:39 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.
> >
> > https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
> Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
> denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).
>
> You're silly.

https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 18 May 2022 16:51 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.
>> >
>> > https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
>> Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
>> denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).
>>
>> You're silly.
>
>https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html
>
>You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels
sitting on another planet!

You're as silly as Rich.

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Subject: Re: Solar panels and dust bowls don't mix
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 by: Quadibloc - Wed, 18 May 2022 17:09 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:51:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

> >https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

> >You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

> It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
> effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels
> sitting on another planet!

> You're as silly as Rich.

The article he cited noted that, in the Middle East, about 50% of output is lost from
unattended solar panels - so that _is_ quite different than dust and sand being
no problem because it just blows off a tilted solar panel.

Thus, his comment was not entirely without validity - it may have gone too far, but
then so did you.

John Savard

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 18 May 2022 22:05 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:51:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html
>
>> >You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.
>
>> It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
>> effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels
>> sitting on another planet!
>
>> You're as silly as Rich.
>
>The article he cited noted that, in the Middle East, about 50% of output is lost from
>unattended solar panels - so that _is_ quite different than dust and sand being
>no problem because it just blows off a tilted solar panel.
>
>Thus, his comment was not entirely without validity - it may have gone too far, but
>then so did you.

Nope. It's a readily solvable problem, with many possible solutions.
Not too far at all. It's just whacko Rich passive-aggressively
fetishizing over nuclear powered spacecraft.

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Wed, 18 May 2022 22:05 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 09:07:48 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.
>> >
>> > https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
>> Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
>> denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).
>>
>> You're silly.
>
>You are clueless. FAN blades which spin at thousands of RPMs and are vertical in orientation collect dust. They can collect so much they become unbalanced.
>THEY have to be cleaned.

Who said they don't? You're silly.

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 by: W - Wed, 18 May 2022 22:12 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:51:11 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.
> >> >
> >> > https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
> >> Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
> >> denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).
> >>
> >> You're silly.
> >
> >https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html
> >
> >You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.
> It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
> effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels
> sitting on another planet!
>
> You're as silly as Rich.

If you read RichA's comment, you will see that my linked article is on topic.

Perhaps if your reading comprehension were better, you would appear less silly.

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 by: W - Wed, 18 May 2022 22:15 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 1:09:18 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:51:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html
>
> > >You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.
>
> > It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
> > effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels
> > sitting on another planet!
>
> > You're as silly as Rich.
> The article he cited noted that, in the Middle East, about 50% of output is lost from
> unattended solar panels - so that _is_ quite different than dust and sand being
> no problem because it just blows off a tilted solar panel.
>
> Thus, his comment was not entirely without validity - it may have gone too far, but
> then so did you.

My comment and link was completely valid. It's peterson who has trouble staying on-topic.

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On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 1:39:18 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 09:07:48 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.
> > >
> > > https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
> > Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
> > denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).
> >
> > You're silly.
> You are clueless. FAN blades which spin at thousands of RPMs and are vertical in orientation collect dust. They can collect so much they become unbalanced.
> THEY have to be cleaned.

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On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:05:29 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> >You are clueless. FAN blades which spin at thousands of RPMs and are vertical in orientation collect dust. They can collect so much they become unbalanced.
> >THEY have to be cleaned.

> Who said they don't? You're silly.

I guess his point is that fan blades move. So if they get clogged up with dust,
just having solar panels tilted isn't going to keep them clean. Dust seems to
accumulate no matter what you do, if you don't go out there and directly scrub
it away.

John Savard

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On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:05:06 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

> Nope. It's a readily solvable problem, with many possible solutions.
> Not too far at all. It's just whacko Rich passive-aggressively
> fetishizing over nuclear powered spacecraft.

I don't disagree with that part of it; but that doesn't mean that the article
about Sa'udi Arabia didn't show that some effort is required for a solution.

I'm well aware that Rich takes every opportunity to criticize the failings
or limitations of solar panels, because he seems to think that nuclear
power should be used nearly all the time. And, this time, a mission was
cut short because dust did block the solar panels sooner than expected,
despite an ingenious use of the sample collection arm to dislodge some
of it.

Myself, while I am inclined to agree that there is perhaps an excessive
prejudice against nuclear power, I would still expect it only to be used
when necessary, to keep the safety issue low.

John Savard

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On Thu, 19 May 2022 02:59:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:05:06 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
>> Nope. It's a readily solvable problem, with many possible solutions.
>> Not too far at all. It's just whacko Rich passive-aggressively
>> fetishizing over nuclear powered spacecraft.
>
>I don't disagree with that part of it; but that doesn't mean that the article
>about Sa'udi Arabia didn't show that some effort is required for a solution.
>
>I'm well aware that Rich takes every opportunity to criticize the failings
>or limitations of solar panels, because he seems to think that nuclear
>power should be used nearly all the time. And, this time, a mission was
>cut short because dust did block the solar panels sooner than expected,
>despite an ingenious use of the sample collection arm to dislodge some
>of it.
>
>Myself, while I am inclined to agree that there is perhaps an excessive
>prejudice against nuclear power, I would still expect it only to be used
>when necessary, to keep the safety issue low.

I wasn't disagreeing with the article or the existence of a minor
engieneering problem here on Earth! I was laughing at one of the
regular SAA laughingstocks.

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