I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.

Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.

On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>
>I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
>I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
>looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
>some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
>bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
>unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
>then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
>nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
>I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
>it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>
>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.

Do you then clamp the various bits and pieces on over the wrapping?

(:-) And, did you first enquire of Frank to learn the proper method of
wrapping bars? Or whether bars should be wrapped at all?(:-)

By the way, I came across the following in a novel I'm reading:
"He was teaching freshmen at an American University. The job allowed
him to play god to a bunch of kids who were just thrilled to be living
away from their parents and wouldn't dare challenge a learned
professor."
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 05:54:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>
>>I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
>>I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
>>looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
>>some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
>>bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
>>unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
>>then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
>>nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
>>I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
>>it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>>
>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>
>Do you then clamp the various bits and pieces on over the wrapping?

Of course not.

>(:-) And, did you first enquire of Frank to learn the proper method of
>wrapping bars? Or whether bars should be wrapped at all?(:-)

I've been doing it for a long time. I've been wearing gloves again,
and that seems to be harder on the wrap than bare hands.

>By the way, I came across the following in a novel I'm reading:
>"He was teaching freshmen at an American University. The job allowed
>him to play god to a bunch of kids who were just thrilled to be living
>away from their parents and wouldn't dare challenge a learned
>professor."

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 3:20:07 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
> I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
> looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
> some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
> bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
> unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
> then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
> nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
> I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
> it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>
> Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
> re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
The Stupid 4 supported their local LGBTQ+ with nice warm visits.

On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.

That's an invitation to make me wonder. I was going to ask some
stupid questions about the handlebar design. Then, I found a photo of
the handlebar arrangement:
<https://www.catrikestore.com/Catrike-Standard-Spindle_4>
I think see the problem. Each half is two pieces.

Remind me... which model Catrike?
<https://www.catrike.com>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 31 May 2023 21:59:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>
>That's an invitation to make me wonder. I was going to ask some
>stupid questions about the handlebar design. Then, I found a photo of
>the handlebar arrangement:
><https://www.catrikestore.com/Catrike-Standard-Spindle_4>
>I think see the problem. Each half is two pieces.

Mine are way more complicated than that. Each side has those two
pieces, plus each side has two of these:

https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126243600?TID=394

Further, each side has two additional short stubs, one for the shift
levers, and one to attach my phone mount on one side, and the Garmin
computer mount on the other. That's six pieces on each side, plus the
phone and computer mounts, plus the mirrors.

My goal has always been to get my grips higher, further in front of
me, and at my preferred angle, longitudinally and transversely. I like
having my back straight and my shoulders pulled forward, a position I
liked on my various motorcycles, too.

The location of the original equipment grips tended to hunch me over.

I also need a place to mount the phone and computer that's protected
from my knees action, which cost me my first Garmin computer. Years
ago, for aerodynamics, I strove to get my arms and hands pointing
straight forward, but now that I've slowed down, I've moved them
further out where they are more comfortable.

I'll photograph the current setup today and post it.

>Remind me... which model Catrike?
><https://www.catrike.com>

Mine is the Expedition. My wife has a Pocket, which now in on rollers
in the living room, as her exercise bike. It's way too small for me.

On Wed, 31 May 2023 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 3:20:07?PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
>> I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
>> looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
>> some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
>> bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
>> unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
>> then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
>> nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
>> I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
>> it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>>
>> Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>> re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>The Stupid 4 supported their local LGBTQ+ with nice warm visits.

And you know this how" Were you lurking in the closet when someone
came to call?

Or are you one of "them" waiting with bated breath for someone, to
come to call?
anyone to "come" to call?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 31 May 2023 19:25:14 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 05:54:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
>>>I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
>>>looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
>>>some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
>>>bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
>>>unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
>>>then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
>>>nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
>>>I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
>>>it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>>>
>>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>>
>>Do you then clamp the various bits and pieces on over the wrapping?
>
>Of course not.
>
>>(:-) And, did you first enquire of Frank to learn the proper method of
>>wrapping bars? Or whether bars should be wrapped at all?(:-)
>
>I've been doing it for a long time. I've been wearing gloves again,
>and that seems to be harder on the wrap than bare hands.
>
>>By the way, I came across the following in a novel I'm reading:
>>"He was teaching freshmen at an American University. The job allowed
>>him to play god to a bunch of kids who were just thrilled to be living
>>away from their parents and wouldn't dare challenge a learned
>>professor."

Wearing gloves? Why, if I might ask.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 14:46:43 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2023 19:25:14 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 05:54:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
>>>>I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
>>>>looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
>>>>some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
>>>>bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
>>>>unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
>>>>then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
>>>>nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
>>>>I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
>>>>it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>>>>
>>>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>>>
>>>Do you then clamp the various bits and pieces on over the wrapping?
>>
>>Of course not.
>>
>>>(:-) And, did you first enquire of Frank to learn the proper method of
>>>wrapping bars? Or whether bars should be wrapped at all?(:-)
>>
>>I've been doing it for a long time. I've been wearing gloves again,
>>and that seems to be harder on the wrap than bare hands.
>>
>>>By the way, I came across the following in a novel I'm reading:
>>>"He was teaching freshmen at an American University. The job allowed
>>>him to play god to a bunch of kids who were just thrilled to be living
>>>away from their parents and wouldn't dare challenge a learned
>>>professor."
>
>Wearing gloves? Why, if I might ask.

I've been an outdoor person all my life, and so my hands and forearms
are so severely sun damaged that they bruise and tear at the slightest
bump or rub. I also wear forearm protectors. They protect against the
bumps and rubs, and against further sun damage.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 04:16:42 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 14:46:43 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 19:25:14 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 05:54:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
>>>>>I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
>>>>>looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
>>>>>some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
>>>>>bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
>>>>>unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
>>>>>then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
>>>>>nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
>>>>>I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
>>>>>it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>>>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>>>>
>>>>Do you then clamp the various bits and pieces on over the wrapping?
>>>
>>>Of course not.
>>>
>>>>(:-) And, did you first enquire of Frank to learn the proper method of
>>>>wrapping bars? Or whether bars should be wrapped at all?(:-)
>>>
>>>I've been doing it for a long time. I've been wearing gloves again,
>>>and that seems to be harder on the wrap than bare hands.
>>>
>>>>By the way, I came across the following in a novel I'm reading:
>>>>"He was teaching freshmen at an American University. The job allowed
>>>>him to play god to a bunch of kids who were just thrilled to be living
>>>>away from their parents and wouldn't dare challenge a learned
>>>>professor."
>>
>>Wearing gloves? Why, if I might ask.
>
>I've been an outdoor person all my life, and so my hands and forearms
>are so severely sun damaged that they bruise and tear at the slightest
>bump or rub. I also wear forearm protectors. They protect against the
>bumps and rubs, and against further sun damage.

I can sympathize. I just got back from the hospital where all my skin
cancer spots were sprayed with a hydrogen spray :-(
Now it's "apply this salve and come back in 4 weeks" :-(
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 15:39:54 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 04:16:42 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 14:46:43 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 19:25:14 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 05:54:10 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been thinking about checking out their new shop, so this morning
>>>>>>I did. Unlike their old shop, they have bicycles for sale, here. I was
>>>>>>looking around, intending on dropping a little jingle, when I spotted
>>>>>>some nice looking handle bar tape. Mine are getting pretty rough, so I
>>>>>>bought some, brought it home, and spent the rest of the day
>>>>>>unassembling my handle bars, doing a few modifications, wrapping them,
>>>>>>then reassembling the whole thing. I'd intended on going for a short
>>>>>>nieghborhood ride to check out my new Garmin Edge 130, but by the time
>>>>>>I'd got it all back together and got my derailleurs set up properly,
>>>>>>it started to rain. I'll do the short ride tomorrow morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>>>>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you then clamp the various bits and pieces on over the wrapping?
>>>>
>>>>Of course not.
>>>>
>>>>>(:-) And, did you first enquire of Frank to learn the proper method of
>>>>>wrapping bars? Or whether bars should be wrapped at all?(:-)
>>>>
>>>>I've been doing it for a long time. I've been wearing gloves again,
>>>>and that seems to be harder on the wrap than bare hands.
>>>>
>>>>>By the way, I came across the following in a novel I'm reading:
>>>>>"He was teaching freshmen at an American University. The job allowed
>>>>>him to play god to a bunch of kids who were just thrilled to be living
>>>>>away from their parents and wouldn't dare challenge a learned
>>>>>professor."
>>>
>>>Wearing gloves? Why, if I might ask.
>>
>>I've been an outdoor person all my life, and so my hands and forearms
>>are so severely sun damaged that they bruise and tear at the slightest
>>bump or rub. I also wear forearm protectors. They protect against the
>>bumps and rubs, and against further sun damage.
>
>I can sympathize. I just got back from the hospital where all my skin
>cancer spots were sprayed with a hydrogen spray :-(
>Now it's "apply this salve and come back in 4 weeks" :-(

I see a skin doctor once a year. He's the reason I now wear gloves and
forearm protectors. He want me to wear more on my bike rides, but I
can't do it. In the summer, I'm usually shirtless and in shorts that
are too short to be trendy. They fit tighter, but are about the same
length as the shorts I wore playing high school and college basketball
in the early sixties.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4003/4505941984_4179f51103_z.jpg

I've never been a slave to fashon trends.

On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 12:33:13 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 31 May 2023 21:59:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
> ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >
> >>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
> >>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
> >
> >That's an invitation to make me wonder. I was going to ask some
> >stupid questions about the handlebar design. Then, I found a photo of
> >the handlebar arrangement:
> ><https://www.catrikestore.com/Catrike-Standard-Spindle_4>
> >I think see the problem. Each half is two pieces.
> Mine are way more complicated than that. Each side has those two
> pieces, plus each side has two of these:
>
> https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126243600?TID=394
>
> Further, each side has two additional short stubs, one for the shift
> levers, and one to attach my phone mount on one side, and the Garmin
> computer mount on the other. That's six pieces on each side, plus the
> phone and computer mounts, plus the mirrors.
>
> My goal has always been to get my grips higher, further in front of
> me, and at my preferred angle, longitudinally and transversely. I like
> having my back straight and my shoulders pulled forward, a position I
> liked on my various motorcycles, too.
>
> The location of the original equipment grips tended to hunch me over.
>
> I also need a place to mount the phone and computer that's protected
> from my knees action, which cost me my first Garmin computer. Years
> ago, for aerodynamics, I strove to get my arms and hands pointing
> straight forward, but now that I've slowed down, I've moved them
> further out where they are more comfortable.
>
> I'll photograph the current setup today and post it.
> >Remind me... which model Catrike?
> ><https://www.catrike.com>
> Mine is the Expedition. My wife has a Pocket, which now in on rollers
> in the living room, as her exercise bike. It's way too small for me.

You have to remember that Liebermann is such a font of knowledge that he couldn't work in the field he obtained his degree in and instead worked at the most simple electronic technician job possible. He doesn't ride a bike and bragged only months before his last operation that he had ridden one mile on his bicycle on a group where average mileage is 3,000% of that. He is presently living on welfare and loved socialism with a passion because otherwise he would be homeless and no doubt dead. I think that any of us in that position would be the same. But then most of us actually did something with our lives. I allow him to run off at the mouth about crap he knows nothing about simply because the man is so disturbed that that is all he can do.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 03:33:10 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2023 21:59:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>>
>>That's an invitation to make me wonder. I was going to ask some
>>stupid questions about the handlebar design. Then, I found a photo of
>>the handlebar arrangement:
>><https://www.catrikestore.com/Catrike-Standard-Spindle_4>
>>I think see the problem. Each half is two pieces.
>
>Mine are way more complicated than that. Each side has those two
>pieces, plus each side has two of these:
>
>https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126243600?TID=394
>
>Further, each side has two additional short stubs, one for the shift
>levers, and one to attach my phone mount on one side, and the Garmin
>computer mount on the other. That's six pieces on each side, plus the
>phone and computer mounts, plus the mirrors.
>
>My goal has always been to get my grips higher, further in front of
>me, and at my preferred angle, longitudinally and transversely. I like
>having my back straight and my shoulders pulled forward, a position I
>liked on my various motorcycles, too.
>
>The location of the original equipment grips tended to hunch me over.
>
>I also need a place to mount the phone and computer that's protected
>from my knees action, which cost me my first Garmin computer. Years
>ago, for aerodynamics, I strove to get my arms and hands pointing
>straight forward, but now that I've slowed down, I've moved them
>further out where they are more comfortable.
>
> I'll photograph the current setup today and post it.
>
>
>>Remind me... which model Catrike?
>><https://www.catrike.com>
>
>Mine is the Expedition. My wife has a Pocket, which now in on rollers
>in the living room, as her exercise bike. It's way too small for me.

Here's a picture of my handlebars..
https://tinyurl.com/2k245lcz

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:02:34 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 12:33:13?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 May 2023 21:59:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> ><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>> >>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>> >
>> >That's an invitation to make me wonder. I was going to ask some
>> >stupid questions about the handlebar design. Then, I found a photo of
>> >the handlebar arrangement:
>> ><https://www.catrikestore.com/Catrike-Standard-Spindle_4>
>> >I think see the problem. Each half is two pieces.
>> Mine are way more complicated than that. Each side has those two
>> pieces, plus each side has two of these:
>>
>> https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126243600?TID=394
>>
>> Further, each side has two additional short stubs, one for the shift
>> levers, and one to attach my phone mount on one side, and the Garmin
>> computer mount on the other. That's six pieces on each side, plus the
>> phone and computer mounts, plus the mirrors.
>>
>> My goal has always been to get my grips higher, further in front of
>> me, and at my preferred angle, longitudinally and transversely. I like
>> having my back straight and my shoulders pulled forward, a position I
>> liked on my various motorcycles, too.
>>
>> The location of the original equipment grips tended to hunch me over.
>>
>> I also need a place to mount the phone and computer that's protected
>> from my knees action, which cost me my first Garmin computer. Years
>> ago, for aerodynamics, I strove to get my arms and hands pointing
>> straight forward, but now that I've slowed down, I've moved them
>> further out where they are more comfortable.
>>
>> I'll photograph the current setup today and post it.
>> >Remind me... which model Catrike?
>> ><https://www.catrike.com>
>> Mine is the Expedition. My wife has a Pocket, which now in on rollers
>> in the living room, as her exercise bike. It's way too small for me.
>
>
>You have to remember that Liebermann is such a font of knowledge that he couldn't work in the field he obtained his degree in and instead worked at the most simple electronic technician job possible. He doesn't ride a bike and bragged only months before his last operation that he had ridden one mile on his bicycle on a group where average mileage is 3,000% of that. He is presently living on welfare and loved socialism with a passion because otherwise he would be homeless and no doubt dead. I think that any of us in that position would be the same. But then most of us actually did something with our lives. I allow him to run off at the mouth about crap he knows nothing about simply because the man is so disturbed that that is all he can do.

Talking about founts of knowledge tell us about the slavery in
Thailand. My Housekeeper is getting pretty upset with you and
beginning to mutter rather derogative things about you under her
breath.

It's a bit complex to translate Thai slang into English but a very
loose translation might be "eats shit and barks at the moon" comparing
you to a homeless dog.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 03:33:10 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 May 2023 21:59:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>>
>>That's an invitation to make me wonder. I was going to ask some
>>stupid questions about the handlebar design. Then, I found a photo of
>>the handlebar arrangement:
>><https://www.catrikestore.com/Catrike-Standard-Spindle_4>
>>I think see the problem. Each half is two pieces.

>Mine are way more complicated than that. Each side has those two
>pieces, plus each side has two of these:
>
>https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126243600?TID=394
>
>Further, each side has two additional short stubs, one for the shift
>levers, and one to attach my phone mount on one side, and the Garmin
>computer mount on the other. That's six pieces on each side, plus the
>phone and computer mounts, plus the mirrors.

Thanks for the explanation and photo. Now I understand why you had
disassemble the handlebars. I hadn't considered all the accessories
that can be mounted on the handlebars. When I had a cluttered
handlebar, I looked for mounting arrangements that used a two piece
and two screw clamp which can easily be removed. Something like this:
<https://www.nk-neken.com/en/universal-mounting-and-handlebar-clamps>
However, I mostly found one bolt clamps that couldn't be tightened
sufficiently to not slip:
<https://archercomponents.com/products/matchmaker-compatible-single-clamp>

Incidentally, conventional handlebars can also become cluttered:
<https://www.bikeroar.com/articles/what-s-on-your-mountain-bike-handlebars>

>My goal has always been to get my grips higher, further in front of
>me, and at my preferred angle, longitudinally and transversely. I like
>having my back straight and my shoulders pulled forward, a position I
>liked on my various motorcycles, too.

If you want to continue optimizing the hand grip, perhaps handlebars
based on locking ball joints might be useful:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=locking+ball+joint+&tbm=isch>
This is probably not strong enough for a permanent installation, but
the ball joints could be used to determine the optimum position.

>The location of the original equipment grips tended to hunch me over.

That can become a problem. I tend to do almost everything in
hunchback mode. The result is that I now have a slight spinal
curvature. When I lay on my back on the floor, I can't touch the
floor with my head. It's not much of a problem now, but I expect
problems in the future.

>I also need a place to mount the phone and computer that's protected
>from my knees action, which cost me my first Garmin computer. Years
>ago, for aerodynamics, I strove to get my arms and hands pointing
>straight forward, but now that I've slowed down, I've moved them
>further out where they are more comfortable.
>
> I'll photograph the current setup today and post it.
>
>>Remind me... which model Catrike?
>><https://www.catrike.com>
>
>Mine is the Expedition. My wife has a Pocket, which now in on rollers
>in the living room, as her exercise bike. It's way too small for me.

Expedition:
<https://www.catrike.com/expedition>

Pocket:
<https://www.catrike.com/pocket>

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On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 22:23:11 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 03:33:10 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 21:59:09 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 May 2023 18:20:04 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Don't be wondering why I had to unassemble the handle bars just to
>>>>re-wrap them. If you could see them, you'd understand.
>>>
>>>That's an invitation to make me wonder. I was going to ask some
>>>stupid questions about the handlebar design. Then, I found a photo of
>>>the handlebar arrangement:
>>><https://www.catrikestore.com/Catrike-Standard-Spindle_4>
>>>I think see the problem. Each half is two pieces.
>
>>Mine are way more complicated than that. Each side has those two
>>pieces, plus each side has two of these:
>>
>>https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126243600?TID=394
>>
>>Further, each side has two additional short stubs, one for the shift
>>levers, and one to attach my phone mount on one side, and the Garmin
>>computer mount on the other. That's six pieces on each side, plus the
>>phone and computer mounts, plus the mirrors.
>
>Thanks for the explanation and photo. Now I understand why you had
>disassemble the handlebars. I hadn't considered all the accessories
>that can be mounted on the handlebars. When I had a cluttered
>handlebar, I looked for mounting arrangements that used a two piece
>and two screw clamp which can easily be removed. Something like this:
><https://www.nk-neken.com/en/universal-mounting-and-handlebar-clamps>
>However, I mostly found one bolt clamps that couldn't be tightened
>sufficiently to not slip:
><https://archercomponents.com/products/matchmaker-compatible-single-clamp>

I've not had that problem, and I put a lot of weight on them as they
help me to get on and off the Catrike. I not long ago installed
"helper bars" on the bars to assist in mounting and dismounting. Now
that I've moved the grips further out, I can use them for that, and
the "helper bars" went to my spare parts bin.

>Incidentally, conventional handlebars can also become cluttered:
><https://www.bikeroar.com/articles/what-s-on-your-mountain-bike-handlebars>
>
>>My goal has always been to get my grips higher, further in front of
>>me, and at my preferred angle, longitudinally and transversely. I like
>>having my back straight and my shoulders pulled forward, a position I
>>liked on my various motorcycles, too.
>
>If you want to continue optimizing the hand grip, perhaps handlebars
>based on locking ball joints might be useful:

Those things are great. My phone holder mount uses a double locking
ball joint.

><https://www.google.com/search?q=locking+ball+joint+&tbm=isch>
>This is probably not strong enough for a permanent installation, but
>the ball joints could be used to determine the optimum position.
>
>>The location of the original equipment grips tended to hunch me over.
>
>That can become a problem. I tend to do almost everything in
>hunchback mode. The result is that I now have a slight spinal
>curvature. When I lay on my back on the floor, I can't touch the
>floor with my head. It's not much of a problem now, but I expect
>problems in the future.

The seat angle of my Expedition reclines at 37 degrees. Catrike's
sports version, the "700" reclines to 25 degrees, which improves
aerodynamics a bit. When I test rode one, I rejected it because it
required my head and upper back to be bent forward more than I
preferred. Being in a comfortable position is very important to me.

The Catrike seats have a built-in lumber curve, but I thought that it
was a little too low on my back. Subsequently, I loosened some of the
straps that held the mesh seat in place under my butt, lowering it
couple of inches and actually making it into a "bucket seat." That
also lowered the center of gravity a bit which makes cornering more
stable.

Like many my age, my back bothers me, but not when I'm riding. Three
and four hour rides are no problem, and I don't get off the bike for
the occasional rest stops.

>>I also need a place to mount the phone and computer that's protected
>>from my knees action, which cost me my first Garmin computer. Years
>>ago, for aerodynamics, I strove to get my arms and hands pointing
>>straight forward, but now that I've slowed down, I've moved them
>>further out where they are more comfortable.
>>
>> I'll photograph the current setup today and post it.
>>
>>>Remind me... which model Catrike?
>>><https://www.catrike.com>
>>
>>Mine is the Expedition. My wife has a Pocket, which now in on rollers
>>in the living room, as her exercise bike. It's way too small for me.
>
>Expedition:
><https://www.catrike.com/expedition>
>
>Pocket:
><https://www.catrike.com/pocket>