In Alberta, there was a recent news item about how an Alberta MLA (Member of the Legislative Assembly, the provincial Parliament) was in hot water - or, at least, one activist called him out - for quoting a Nazi.

I looked at the headline, and wondered who he quoted. Himmler? Goering? Ribbentrop? And then I read the article...

Bob Layton, of Global News (the news arm of Global, a Canadian television network) had quoted *Wernher von Braun* as saying: "To conquer the Universe, you have to solve two problems: gravity and red tape". Alberta MLA Grant Hunter then cited that quote on Twitter.

Excuse me?

"Top U.S. Space Expert" - cover of the November 18, 1957 issue of LIFE magazine.

"Director of the Marshall Space Flight Center".

"Space Visionary", "Rocket Pioneer", and so on.

Those are the sort of things I remember him being called back in the day.

Not "a Nazi", even if, indeed, he did have the misfortune of being born in Germany, leading to some unfortunate entries in his biography.

John Savard

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:c72fee1b-bbcd-4016-a332-e30800ac6cfbn@googlegroups.com:

> In Alberta, there was a recent news item about how an Alberta
> MLA (Member of the Legislative Assembly, the provincial
> Parliament) was in hot water - or, at least, one activist called
> him out - for quoting a Nazi.
>
> I looked at the headline, and wondered who he quoted. Himmler?
> Goering? Ribbentrop? And then I read the article...
>
> Bob Layton, of Global News (the news arm of Global, a Canadian
> television network) had quoted *Wernher von Braun* as saying:
> "To conquer the Universe, you have to solve two problems:
> gravity and red tape". Alberta MLA Grant Hunter then cited that
> quote on Twitter.
>
> Excuse me?
>
> "Top U.S. Space Expert" - cover of the November 18, 1957 issue
> of LIFE magazine.
>
> "Director of the Marshall Space Flight Center".
>
> "Space Visionary", "Rocket Pioneer", and so on.
>
> Those are the sort of things I remember him being called back in
> the day.
>
> Not "a Nazi", even if, indeed, he did have the misfortune of
> being born in Germany, leading to some unfortunate entries in
> his biography.
>
Technically speaking, von Braun *was* Nazi - he was a member of the
party and an SS officer. Technically.

He was also on the record as being opposed to his rockets being
used to deliver munitions, and was arrested as a suspected
communist sympathizer at one point.

As best history can tell us, it looks to me like his only real
ideology was to build rockets to go to the moon, and was willing to
do whatever he had to to get the resources to do so.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 11:14:31 AM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> news:c72fee1b-bbcd-4016...@googlegroups.com:
> > In Alberta, there was a recent news item about how an Alberta
> > MLA (Member of the Legislative Assembly, the provincial
> > Parliament) was in hot water - or, at least, one activist called
> > him out - for quoting a Nazi.
> >
> > I looked at the headline, and wondered who he quoted. Himmler?
> > Goering? Ribbentrop? And then I read the article...
> >
> > Bob Layton, of Global News (the news arm of Global, a Canadian
> > television network) had quoted *Wernher von Braun* as saying:
> > "To conquer the Universe, you have to solve two problems:
> > gravity and red tape". Alberta MLA Grant Hunter then cited that
> > quote on Twitter.
> >
> > Excuse me?
> >
> > "Top U.S. Space Expert" - cover of the November 18, 1957 issue
> > of LIFE magazine.
> >
> > "Director of the Marshall Space Flight Center".
> >
> > "Space Visionary", "Rocket Pioneer", and so on.
> >
> > Those are the sort of things I remember him being called back in
> > the day.
> >
> > Not "a Nazi", even if, indeed, he did have the misfortune of
> > being born in Germany, leading to some unfortunate entries in
> > his biography.
> >
> Technically speaking, von Braun *was* Nazi - he was a member of the
> party and an SS officer. Technically.
>
> He was also on the record as being opposed to his rockets being
> used to deliver munitions, and was arrested as a suspected
> communist sympathizer at one point.
>
> As best history can tell us, it looks to me like his only real
> ideology was to build rockets to go to the moon, and was willing to
> do whatever he had to to get the resources to do so.
>
> --
> Terry Austin
>
> Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
> Lynn:
> https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
> (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
> illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)
>
> Vacation photos from Iceland:
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Back than every important person was the member of the NAZI party!
What's your point?

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 12:36:53 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> In Alberta, there was a recent news item about how an Alberta MLA (Member of the Legislative Assembly, the provincial Parliament) was in hot water - or, at least, one activist called him out - for quoting a Nazi.
>
> I looked at the headline, and wondered who he quoted. Himmler? Goering? Ribbentrop? And then I read the article...
>
> Bob Layton, of Global News (the news arm of Global, a Canadian television network) had quoted *Wernher von Braun* as saying: "To conquer the Universe, you have to solve two problems: gravity and red tape". Alberta MLA Grant Hunter then cited that quote on Twitter.
>
> Excuse me?
>
> "Top U.S. Space Expert" - cover of the November 18, 1957 issue of LIFE magazine.
>
> "Director of the Marshall Space Flight Center".
>
> "Space Visionary", "Rocket Pioneer", and so on.
>
> Those are the sort of things I remember him being called back in the day.
>
> Not "a Nazi", even if, indeed, he did have the misfortune of being born in Germany, leading to some unfortunate entries in his biography.
>
> John Savard

Why is a misfortune to born in Germany?
What an idiotic remark!

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 1:49:18 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:

> Why is a misfortune to born in Germany?

Because one could have had the better fortune of being born in,
say, the United States or Canada, which didn't get itself involved in
the losing side of a world war...

Of course, in the case of von Braun, it could be argued that while
being born in Germany led to his joining the Nazi party and even the
S.S., which were embarassing entries in his biography, anywhere else
he would not have gotten the initial funding to develop his rocket
engineering talents to the degree he had - no other country would have,
barring another country going first, built anything remotely like the V-2.

So perhaps things just had to happen the way they did for us to go
into space as quickly as we did. Russia, with Sputnik, of course, also
played a role.

John Savard

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 12:14:31 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

> Technically speaking, von Braun *was* Nazi - he was a member of the
> party and an SS officer. Technically.

Oh, my intent wasn't to deny the facts. Or even to debate their implications.

What I was taking note of is that there seemed to be a shift in public
attitudes towards von Braun. Is it because we're no longer driven by the
Cold War and the Space Race? Is it because he is dead, and no longer
wields power, as the holder of an important position?

John Savard

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:19:15 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 1:49:18 AM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
>
> > Why is a misfortune to born in Germany?
> Because one could have had the better fortune of being born in,
> say, the United States or Canada, which didn't get itself involved in
> the losing side of a world war...
>
> Of course, in the case of von Braun, it could be argued that while
> being born in Germany led to his joining the Nazi party and even the
> S.S., which were embarassing entries in his biography, anywhere else
> he would not have gotten the initial funding to develop his rocket
> engineering talents to the degree he had - no other country would have,
> barring another country going first, built anything remotely like the V-2.
>
> So perhaps things just had to happen the way they did for us to go
> into space as quickly as we did. Russia, with Sputnik, of course, also
> played a role.
>
> John Savard

You have the dumbest argument I ever heard!
He born in Germany, he was a German and try the best he can for his country, which was in war with the hole world.
After the war his skills were bought by the US!
Of course, those scientist who built the A-bombs are the heroes for destroying 2 cities and killing 200,000 people, woman, children in 1 second.

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 12:14:31 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
> > Technically speaking, von Braun *was* Nazi - he was a member of the
> > party and an SS officer. Technically.
> Oh, my intent wasn't to deny the facts. Or even to debate their implications.
>
> What I was taking note of is that there seemed to be a shift in public
> attitudes towards von Braun. Is it because we're no longer driven by the
> Cold War and the Space Race? Is it because he is dead, and no longer
> wields power, as the holder of an important position?
>
> John Savard

So what, he was a NAZI?
Being a CIA man is better?
Same thing, different color.

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:c47e4308-91b7-4384-a30b-ac63cdda5fcen@googlegroups.com:

> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 12:14:31 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> Technically speaking, von Braun *was* Nazi - he was a member of
>> the party and an SS officer. Technically.
>
> Oh, my intent wasn't to deny the facts. Or even to debate their
> implications.
>
> What I was taking note of is that there seemed to be a shift in
> public attitudes towards von Braun. Is it because we're no
> longer driven by the Cold War and the Space Race? Is it because
> he is dead, and no longer wields power, as the holder of an
> important position?
>
It's because he was shite and male, therefore inherently evil and
must be erased from history.

Obviously.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 2:13:00 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> news:c47e4308-91b7-4384...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 12:14:31 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >
> >> Technically speaking, von Braun *was* Nazi - he was a member of
> >> the party and an SS officer. Technically.
> >
> > Oh, my intent wasn't to deny the facts. Or even to debate their
> > implications.
> >
> > What I was taking note of is that there seemed to be a shift in
> > public attitudes towards von Braun. Is it because we're no
> > longer driven by the Cold War and the Space Race? Is it because
> > he is dead, and no longer wields power, as the holder of an
> > important position?
> >
> It's because he was shite and male, therefore inherently evil and
> must be erased from history.
>
> Obviously.
> --

Because, he was not Jewish!
LOL!