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Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
as you want, nothing is going to change.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 12:11 UTC

Le 23/02/2022 à 08:35, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> as you want, nothing is going to change.

“the notion of simultaneity is relative by any change of observer;
fixed to each other different observers, placed in different places,
build different concurrency systems."

Text in french by Richard Hachel 1986.

La notion de simultanéité étant définie par l'existence
coïncidente de tous les événements se produisant
en même temps ; ou bien encore, étant caractérisée par l'ensemble de
tous les phénomènes physiques
ayant lieu au même instant ; on devrait être en mesure, du moins en
considérant toutes les composantes
fixes se trouvant dans un système inertiel donné, de parler de
simultanéité absolue, de synchronisation
cosmique, ou de calendrier commun -- ces termes étant alors susceptibles
d'acquérir une réelle significa-
tion physique -- si l'on pouvait, sans qu'elle varie, transposer la
simultanéité universelle propre d'un
observateur particulier à tous les autres observateurs inertiels
présents dans ce même référentiel.
Il suffirait de trouver un signal quelconque, ou une action quelconque,
par lesquels un corps A pourrait
interagir instantanément avec un corps B, c'est à dire au moyen d'une
information se propageant infini-
ment vite, pour que cette notion de simultanéité absolue soit
expérimentalement prouvée.
On pourrait alors dire que l'action induite par le corps A s'est
instantanément transmise au corps B, ou
que l'action produite par le corps A s'est effectuée en même temps que
sa détection par le corps B, et qu'il
existe, de facto, entre A et B, une sorte de simultanéité réciproque et
absolue.
On pourrait aussi imaginer un signal aller-retour effectué sur la
distance séparant A de B, et réalisé au
moyen d'une information infiniment rapide, de telle manière que les
instants de départ et de retour de
l'information soient simultanés. Il viendrait facilement à
l'esprit que si les deux montres A et B sont
bien accordées, la notion de coexistence générale des choses de
l'univers en parfaite simultanéité serait
ainsi démontrée.
Or, cette preuve n'existe pas.
On sait qu'un corps peut agir à distance sur un autre corps,
par exemple sous la forme d'une onde
électromagnétique, sous la forme d'un choc mécanique transmis le
long d'une tige rigide, ou sous la
forme d'une interaction gravitationnelle, mais on n'a jamais trouvé
de signal qui soit infiniment rapide,
ou d'action à distance qui soit instantanée. Il semble plutôt, en
effet, qu'il existe, dans la nature, une sorte
de vitesse limite infranchissable, que l'on va retrouver dans tout
référentiel galiléen considéré, et qui va
s'étendre à toutes les particules et à toutes les propriétés de la
physique.
On peut alors supposer, et énoncer, au regard de ce que nous venons
de dire, le principe fondamental
suivant:
" la notion de simultanéité est relative par
tout changement d'observateur ;
mêmes fixes entre eux, des observateurs différents,
placés en des endroits différents,
bâtissent des systèmes de
simultanéité différents."
Et ainsi, généralement, dans un système donné, deux ou
plusieurs événements simultanés pour un
observateur ne le seront plus, et réciproquement, pour un autre
observateur, même parfaitement inertiel.
De là, va inévitablement apparaître l'impossibilité physique de
tapisser un quelconque repère d'horlo-
ges "absolument" synchronisées entre elles, puisqu'elles ne pourront
jamais s'entendre sur la notion de
simultanéité : deux bancs placés dans un jardin public, deux gares
disposées sur un réseau ferroviaire
national, ne pourront jamais s'accorder sur ce qu'on pourrait
abstraitement appeler "la notion de temps
présent universel" ; et, au mieux d'une synchronisation voulue
cohérente, chacune de deux montres ainsi
placées considérera toujours que l'autre montre retarde sur elle
proportionnellement à sa distance. Retard
réel, physique, absolument indicatif de lui-même, et impliquant qu'un
même calendrier ne saurait valoir
pour tout l'univers, ni même, simplement, niveau particules, pour un
quelconque repère local.

R.H.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 12:48 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> as you want, nothing is going to change.

You still don't understand what TAI is.
It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
And yes, there it agrees with itself.

For elsewhere you need to Lorentz-transform,
and to apply general relativistic corrections,
(to obtain TCB for example)

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:15 UTC

On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> > as you want, nothing is going to change.
> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.

No it is not, and there is no such thing as
"the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
You're simply mumbling inconsistently.

And two events are simultaneous when its
TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is equal. That's
how things are in the world we inhabit. You can
scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
as you want, nothing is going to change.

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > > we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> > > as you want, nothing is going to change.
> > You still don't understand what TAI is.
> > It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>
> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.

OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 14:13 UTC

On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > > > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > > > we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> > > > as you want, nothing is going to change.
> > > You still don't understand what TAI is.
> > > It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >
> > No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> > "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> > There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> > You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,

No. I stay at rest, you run crying.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 14:36 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>
>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>
> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>

I have to admire the congealed delusion.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 14:41 UTC

On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> >>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> >>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> >>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
> >>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> >>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >>>
> >>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> >>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> >>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> >>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> >> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
> >
> > No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
> >
> I have to admire the congealed delusion.

Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
your Shit has trained you for, after all.

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 by: rotchm - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 14:46 UTC

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 2:35:19 AM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> as you want, nothing is going to change.

Two events are simul when each of the clocks located at the events indicate the same value.
Does your concept/definition above adheres to this?
SR & GR definitions do.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 14:48 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>>>
>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>>>
>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
>
> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
>
>

You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
at you, Woz. Problem of your own making. I know you can’t help it.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:46:07 UTC+1, rotchm wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 2:35:19 AM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> > as you want, nothing is going to change.
> Two events are simul when each of the clocks located at the events indicate the same value.
> Does your concept/definition above adheres to this?

Rather - does this adhere to the situation in the
real world described above?

> SR & GR definitions do.

You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
as you want, nothing is going to change. The
reality will simply continue to ignore you.

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On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> >>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> >>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> >>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
> >>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> >>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> >>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> >>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> >>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> >>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
> >>>
> >>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
> >>>
> >> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
> >
> > Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
> > your Shit has trained you for, after all.
> >
> >
> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
> at you, Woz.

If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
your jargon, poor stinker.

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On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 9:52:47 AM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:46:07 UTC+1, rotchm wrote:

> > Two events are simul when each of the clocks located at the events indicate the same value.
> > Does your concept/definition above adheres to this?
> Rather - does this adhere to the situation in the
> real world described above?

That's does not answer the question.
The question I asked you, requires a yes or no answer and perhaps reason why.
You have failed to do this; You failed.
Try again.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 16:04 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>>>>>
>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>>>>>
>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
>>>
>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
>>>
>>>
>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
>> at you, Woz.
>
> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
> your jargon, poor stinker.
>
>

Well, I’ve never said that. But yeah, I’m laughing.

--
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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:44 UTC

On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 16:12:01 UTC+1, rotchm wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 9:52:47 AM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:46:07 UTC+1, rotchm wrote:
>
> > > Two events are simul when each of the clocks located at the events indicate the same value.
> > > Does your concept/definition above adheres to this?
> > Rather - does this adhere to the situation in the
> > real world described above?
> That's does not answer the question.

Too bad. Anyway, two events are simultaneous when their
TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is equal. That's how things
are in the world we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
as much as you want, nothing is going to change.

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On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> >>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> >>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> >>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
> >>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> >>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> >>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> >>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> >>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> >>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
> >>>
> >>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
> >>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
> >> at you, Woz.
> >
> > If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> > lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
> > your jargon, poor stinker.
> >
> >
> Well, I’ve never said that.

Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
laugh" did.

> But yeah, I’m laughing.

Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
>>>> at you, Woz.
>>>
>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, I’ve never said that.
>
> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
> laugh" did.

Yes, they might laugh as well as say that. You draw it naturally.

>
>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
>
> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.

Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
You’re pretty funny, Woz. Even if you don’t try to be.

>

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On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> >>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> >>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> >>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
> >>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> >>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> >>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> >>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> >>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> >>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
> >>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
> >>>> at you, Woz.
> >>>
> >>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> >>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
> >>> your jargon, poor stinker.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Well, I’ve never said that.
> >
> > Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
> > laugh" did.
> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.

Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".

> >> But yeah, I’m laughing.
> >
> > Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.

And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>>>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
>>>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
>>>>>> at you, Woz.
>>>>>
>>>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
>>>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well, I’ve never said that.
>>>
>>> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
>>> laugh" did.
>> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.
>
> Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
> screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".
>
>>>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
>>>
>>> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
>> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
>
> And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.
>

Well, no you don’t. You’re actually pretty bad at that.

When you see “you drunken janitor”, for example, you hear that as screaming
in anger rather than said while laughing at you. That’s just a miss on your
part. Not surprising really, since your grip on context is so poor.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 18:30 UTC

On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 19:15:27 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> >>>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> >>>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> >>>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> >>>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
> >>>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
> >>>>>> at you, Woz.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> >>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
> >>>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Well, I’ve never said that.
> >>>
> >>> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
> >>> laugh" did.
> >> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.
> >
> > Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
> > screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> > lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".
> >
> >>>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
> >>>
> >>> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
> >> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
> >
> > And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.
> >
> Well, no you don’t. You’re actually pretty bad at that.

The opinion of a fanatic idiot doesn't count,
particularly when it's such a lying piece of
shit as you are, Odd.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 18:31 UTC

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>>>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
>>>>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
>>>>>>> at you, Woz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>>>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
>>>>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I’ve never said that.
>>>>
>>>> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
>>>> laugh" did.
>>> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.
>>
>> Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
>> screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".
>>
>>>>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
>>>>
>>>> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
>>> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
>>
>> And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.
>>
>
> Well, no you don’t. You’re actually pretty bad at that.
>
> When you see “you drunken janitor”, for example, you hear that as screaming
> in anger rather than said while laughing at you. That’s just a miss on your
> part. Not surprising really, since your grip on context is so poor.
>

Just as a suggestion, Woz, you’re going to find it difficult to accurately
gauge people’s moods and attitudes just from typed words, without the
benefit of looking at them in the face. Perhaps you need some practice in
the area. Unless dealing with people face to face makes you profoundly
uncomfortable, you might benefit from stopping being online so much and
getting into real human contact. That way, when you say something you think
is going to make them angry, and they end up laughing at you, it’ll be
obvious and you won’t fool yourself as much as you do now.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 19:31:21 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
> >>>>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
> >>>>>>> at you, Woz.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> >>>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
> >>>>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Well, I’ve never said that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
> >>>> laugh" did.
> >>> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.
> >>
> >> Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
> >> screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> >> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".
> >>
> >>>>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
> >>> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
> >>
> >> And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.
> >>
> >
> > Well, no you don’t. You’re actually pretty bad at that.
> >
> > When you see “you drunken janitor”, for example, you hear that as screaming
> > in anger rather than said while laughing at you. That’s just a miss on your
> > part. Not surprising really, since your grip on context is so poor.
> >
> Just as a suggestion, Woz,

Just a suggestion, Bod: take your suggestion and
put it straightr into your dumb, fanatic ass, where it
belongs. Believe or not, didn't even waste the time
to read it.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 23 Feb 2022 18:38 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 19:15:27 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
>>>>>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
>>>>>>>> at you, Woz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>>>>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
>>>>>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I’ve never said that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
>>>>> laugh" did.
>>>> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.
>>>
>>> Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
>>> screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".
>>>
>>>>>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
>>>> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
>>>
>>> And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.
>>>
>> Well, no you don’t. You’re actually pretty bad at that.
>
> The opinion of a fanatic idiot doesn't count,
> particularly when it's such a lying piece of
> shit as you are, Odd.
>

Well, see, that’s the kind of silliness that makes me laugh, when I tell
you what *I* am feeling and thinking, and you say that my opinion about my
own mind doesn’t count.

If someone tried to tell you that they knew your mind better than you,
wouldn’t you giggle a little bit? Especially if that person also told you
he was one of humanity’s greatest logicians?

You are a hoot!

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 19:31:21 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
>>>>>>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
>>>>>>>>> at you, Woz.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>>>>>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
>>>>>>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I’ve never said that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
>>>>>> laugh" did.
>>>>> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.
>>>>
>>>> Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
>>>> screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".
>>>>
>>>>>>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
>>>>> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
>>>>
>>>> And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, no you don’t. You’re actually pretty bad at that.
>>>
>>> When you see “you drunken janitor”, for example, you hear that as screaming
>>> in anger rather than said while laughing at you. That’s just a miss on your
>>> part. Not surprising really, since your grip on context is so poor.
>>>
>> Just as a suggestion, Woz,
>
> Just a suggestion, Bod: take your suggestion and
> put it straightr into your dumb, fanatic ass, where it
> belongs. Believe or not, didn't even waste the time
> to read it.
>

Of course you didn’t. LOL.

It’d be too uncomfortable for you to try anyway. You poor thing.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 19:38:40 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 19:15:27 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 18:52:45 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 17:04:37 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:48:58 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 15:36:15 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 14:59:47 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 23 February 2022 at 13:48:15 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we inhabit. You can scream "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you want, nothing is going to change.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't understand what TAI is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not, and there is no such thing as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "the proper time in the rest frame of the Earth"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no "the rest frame of the Earth", also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're simply mumbling inconsistently.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I stay at rest, you fly off,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No. I stay at rest, you run crying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have to admire the congealed delusion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Or rather, you have to bark and spit. That's what
> >>>>>>>>> your Shit has trained you for, after all.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You keep talking about kicking asses daily, and people are going to laugh
> >>>>>>>> at you, Woz.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> >>>>>>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing" in
> >>>>>>> your jargon, poor stinker.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, I’ve never said that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, your fellow stinkers, those allegedly "going to
> >>>>> laugh" did.
> >>>> Yes, they might laugh as well as say that.
> >>>
> >>> Particularly when you invent a "jargon" where
> >>> screaming "you drunken janitor, go back to
> >>> lick your toiilets!!! " and alike are "laughing".
> >>>
> >>>>>> But yeah, I’m laughing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or maybe you're lying. Similiar.
> >>>> Nah. I know when I’m laughing.
> >>>
> >>> And I usually know when you're lying, poor stinker.
> >>>
> >> Well, no you don’t. You’re actually pretty bad at that..
> >
> > The opinion of a fanatic idiot doesn't count,
> > particularly when it's such a lying piece of
> > shit as you are, Odd.
> >
> Well, see, that’s the kind of silliness that makes me laugh, when I tell
> you what *I* am feeling and thinking, and you say that my opinion about my
> own mind doesn’t count.

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