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* Can ANYONE prove the existence of mind independent concepts?Daiman Webb
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 by: Daiman Webb - Mon, 29 Nov 2021 00:59 UTC

I'm a materialist, meaning I don't believe in the existence of mind independent concepts. I believe that they are all mind dependent (dependent on a mind), and I have yet to see a proof otherwise. So could anyone who is a platonist prove the existence of mind independent concepts?

I don't want anyone to assert that a concept is mind independent. For example, saying the constant pi would be the same no matter who tries to measure a circle's periphery using its diameter as unit of measure is NOT a proof of mind independent concepts. I'm looking for some kind of PROOF, whether it be deductive, inductive, evidence based, etc.

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 by: FromTheRafters - Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:28 UTC

Daiman Webb formulated on Sunday :
> I'm a materialist, meaning I don't believe in the existence of mind
> independent concepts. I believe that they are all mind dependent (dependent
> on a mind), and I have yet to see a proof otherwise. So could anyone who is a
> platonist prove the existence of mind independent concepts?
>
> I don't want anyone to assert that a concept is mind independent. For
> example, saying the constant pi would be the same no matter who tries to
> measure a circle's periphery using its diameter as unit of measure is NOT a
> proof of mind independent concepts. I'm looking for some kind of PROOF,
> whether it be deductive, inductive, evidence based, etc.

No. The very idea of a concept requires a mind. OTOH if it is
independent meaning 'of any particular mind' then there are examples of
convergence -- where disjoint cultures paralleled development of some
concept without communicating between themselves. Some evolutionary
developments also parlleled features, but I don't think it is a concept
without a mind.

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