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* Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
+- Re: Real simultaneitySanford Huett
`* Re: Real simultaneityRichard Hachel
 +- Re: Real simultaneityThe Starmaker
 `* Re: Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
  `* Re: Real simultaneityRichard Hachel
   +- Re: Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
   `- Re: Real simultaneityOdd Bodkin

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Subject: Real simultaneity
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Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.

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 by: Sanford Huett - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 20:08 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is
> equal. That's how things are in the world we inhabit.Your bunch of
> idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!" as much as you want to, nothing is going
> to change.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:02 UTC

Le 07/03/2022 à 18:49, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.

The notion of simultaneity is a priority in the theory of relativity.
This is the very basis of things.
The notion of simultaneity of two events for a given observer is when the
two events occur at the same time. It is obviously very easy to
understand. Little Lina, who is four years old, understands this
definition very well.
Simply, is this notion of simultaneity absolute? Are two simultaneous
events in Paul's universe still simultaneous in Peter's universe? And if
they are not, why?
The relativists say that there is a relativity of simultaneity by change
of frame of reference (which I contradict). I say that there is relativity
of simultaneity by positional change in the same frame of reference (which
they contradict).
It is on the definitions that we no longer agree. They speak of a "plan of
the present time"; I refute. I speak of anisochrony; they don't believe
it.
Everything is only in the precision of the concepts.
The notion of relativity, it is acquired. It makes, or should make, at
least, a consensus.

R.H.

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 by: The Starmaker - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 00:26 UTC

Richard Hachel wrote:
>
> Le 07/03/2022 à 18:49, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> > as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.
>
> The notion of simultaneity is a priority in the theory of relativity.
> This is the very basis of things.
> The notion of simultaneity of two events for a given observer is when the
> two events occur at the same time. It is obviously very easy to
> understand. Little Lina, who is four years old, understands this
> definition very well.

Who is Little Linda?????

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 05:15 UTC

On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 23:02:46 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 07/03/2022 à 18:49, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> > as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.
> The notion of simultaneity is a priority in the theory of relativity.

And they screwed it up.
Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
we inhabit. Their bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
as much as they want to, nothing is going to change.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 12:03 UTC

Le 08/03/2022 à 06:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> And they screwed it up.
> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit. Their bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> as much as they want to, nothing is going to change.

The problem is that the universe is not made like that.

There is no absolute simultaneity.

Take the earth and the moon, do these two stars live in absolute perfect
simultaneity?

No. Each lags the other by one second.

Take this castle on which the good Lord comes to give a magic wand: the
west wing is in the 20th century, and there we find Elvis Preslay in the
process of polishing his next record. The east wing is in the 19th
century, and Victor Hugo is writing "les miserables".

Through a door, you can easily communicate from one wing to the other.

Now, as Jean-Pierre Messager believes, we can harmonize the clocks.

One can.

They will give the same time, LOL.

But we won't be at the same time.

Let's do what we want.

Well the universe, that's it.

Juliette seated on this bench, and Romeo standing against this pillar, can
never exist other than relatively.

There will never exist, between them, that scientific fantasy called
absolute simultaneity, or the plane of the present time.

That doesn't exist.

The world is not made like that.

"Comprenez-vous ces choses?"

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 12:38 UTC

On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 at 13:03:17 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 08/03/2022 à 06:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > And they screwed it up.
> > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > we inhabit. Their bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> > as much as they want to, nothing is going to change.
> The problem is that the universe is not made like that.

Nobody sane cares and TAI/UTC/GPS times - the times of
the reality - are made like that. Your bunch of idiots can
scream "NOOOOO!!!!" as much as you want to, nothing is
going to change.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 14:06 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Le 08/03/2022 à 06:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> And they screwed it up.
>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
>> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
>> we inhabit. Their bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
>> as much as they want to, nothing is going to change.
>
> The problem is that the universe is not made like that.

And what god whispered these revelations into your ear?

>
> There is no absolute simultaneity.
>
> Take the earth and the moon, do these two stars live in absolute perfect
> simultaneity?
>
> No. Each lags the other by one second.
>
> Take this castle on which the good Lord comes to give a magic wand: the
> west wing is in the 20th century, and there we find Elvis Preslay in the
> process of polishing his next record. The east wing is in the 19th
> century, and Victor Hugo is writing "les miserables".
>
> Through a door, you can easily communicate from one wing to the other.
>
> Now, as Jean-Pierre Messager believes, we can harmonize the clocks.
>
> One can.
>
> They will give the same time, LOL.
>
> But we won't be at the same time.
>
> Let's do what we want.
>
> Well the universe, that's it.
>
> Juliette seated on this bench, and Romeo standing against this pillar, can
> never exist other than relatively.
>
> There will never exist, between them, that scientific fantasy called
> absolute simultaneity, or the plane of the present time.
>
> That doesn't exist.
>
> The world is not made like that.
>
> "Comprenez-vous ces choses?"
>
> R.H.
>

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