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* Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
+* Re: Real simultaneitymitchr...@gmail.com
|+* Re: Real simultaneityRichard Hachel
||`* Re: Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
|| `* Re: Real simultaneityRichard Hachel
||  `- Re: Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
|`- Re: Real simultaneityRoss A. Finlayson
+* Re: Real simultaneityWills Duket
|`* Re: Real simultaneityMichael Moroney
| +* Re: Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
| |`* Re: Real simultaneityMichael Moroney
| | +* Re: Real simultaneityMaciej Wozniak
| | |+- Re: Real simultaneityVaugn Rhea
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| `- Re: Real simultaneityVaugn Rhea
`- Re: Real simultaneityThe Starmaker

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Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.

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On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:03:05 AM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.
'
Time can change.
Where light arrives together in space time there is simultaneity.

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 by: Wills Duket - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 21:46 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is
> equal. That's how things are in the world we inhabit.Your bunch of
> idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!! as much as you want to, nothing is going
> to change.

not true. Polish is just a Russian dialect. The territory is Russian.

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 by: The Starmaker - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:49 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.

Simultaneity is Relative...

simultaneous to you, not to everyone else.

read your textbooks
there is only one answer
whatever they say the
answer is...is the answer.

Dare question the techers? death to all tyrants.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:30 UTC

Le 11/03/2022 à 22:00, "mitchr...@gmail.com" a écrit :
> Time can change.
> Where light arrives together in space time there is simultaneity.

Two concurrent events in one repository remain concurrent in another.

E=(12,9,0,-15,0) ---> E=(40,9,0,-41,0)
E2=(12,0,0,-12,0) ---> E2=(36,0,0,-36,0)

From there one understands (if one wants, because it is a question of
human will) that two observers who cross each other perceive exactly the
entirety of the same universe.

Very spatially distorted universe (space is a relativistic mollusc of
reference) BUT the same temporal universe.

The simultaneity of an observer at this instant is exactly the same as for
the other.

I don't even understand how people can answer for the sake of answering
me.

Again, for relativists, that's hard to swallow.

Now, if I speak like that, the heads of arrogant and violent madmen will
say to me: "Hachel you are an idiot who has understood nothing".

They are the ones who don't understand what I'm saying, and WHY I'm saying
it.

Those belly button jerks think I want to disprove the theory of
relativity.

That's thinking like a bunch of monkeys.

I never said that.

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 06:35 UTC

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 00:30:31 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 11/03/2022 à 22:00, "mitchr...@gmail.com" a écrit :
> > Time can change.
> > Where light arrives together in space time there is simultaneity.
> Two concurrent events in one repository remain concurrent in another.
>
> E=(12,9,0,-15,0) ---> E=(40,9,0,-41,0)
> E2=(12,0,0,-12,0) ---> E2=(36,0,0,-36,0)
>
> From there one understands (if one wants, because it is a question of
> human will) that two observers who cross each other perceive exactly the
> entirety of the same universe.

One understands, another one doesn't.
And two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.

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 by: Michael Moroney - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:32 UTC

On 3/11/2022 4:46 PM, Wills Duket wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is
>> equal. That's how things are in the world we inhabit.Your bunch of
>> idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!! as much as you want to, nothing is going
>> to change.
>
> not true. Polish is just a Russian dialect. The territory is Russian.

Now you've done it, Maciej. 卐Путин卐 is about to invade Poland and
start WW3. All so he can have his Третий Рейх.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 08:35 UTC

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 08:32:19 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 3/11/2022 4:46 PM, Wills Duket wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >
> >> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is
> >> equal. That's how things are in the world we inhabit.Your bunch of
> >> idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!! as much as you want to, nothing is going
> >> to change.
> >
> > not true. Polish is just a Russian dialect. The territory is Russian.
> Now you've done it, Maciej. 卐Путин卐 is about to invade Poland

Mike, get conscious. Invade Poland? With what? He has no army,
Ukrainians have killed it. He wasn't 25% as dangerous as we all
believed a month ago, now he's not dangerous at all. Time to
stop to be afraid of that bandit.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:05 UTC

Le 12/03/2022 à 07:35, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> From there one understands (if one wants, because it is a question of
>> human will) that two observers who cross each other perceive exactly the
>> entirety of the same universe.
>
> One understands, another one doesn't.
> And two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.

I have always been surprised by one thing, it is the fact that it is
impossible for many human beings to understand the equation To²=Tr²+D²
This incapacity in them is beyond me.
But there's worse, when I talk to them about the relativity of chronotropy
or positional anisochrony, they look at me with fried whiting eyes.
The question still remains unanswered: "But what's going on?"
Even if we know that part of the answer lies in their scrotal volume, and
not in their brain.

R.H.

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Subject: Re: Real simultaneity
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:36 UTC

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 12:05:46 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 12/03/2022 à 07:35, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> >> From there one understands (if one wants, because it is a question of
> >> human will) that two observers who cross each other perceive exactly the
> >> entirety of the same universe.
> >
> > One understands, another one doesn't.
> > And two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> > as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.
> I have always been surprised by one thing, it is the fact that it is
> impossible for many human beings to understand the equation To²=Tr²+D²
> This incapacity in them is beyond me.

Many things are beyond you, and the most
important of them is - that neither the world in
general, nor time and clocks especially are some
toys for you to play your beloved "let's explain"
game.

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Subject: Re: Real simultaneity
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 by: Ross A. Finlayson - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:33 UTC

On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 1:01:00 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 5:03:05 AM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time
> > coordinate is equal. That's how things are in the world
> > we inhabit.Your bunch of idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!!"
> > as much as you want to, nothing is going to change.
> '
> Time can change.
> Where light arrives together in space time there is simultaneity.

No, that's just images of a when.

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 by: Vaugn Rhea - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 13:04 UTC

*_卐_Michael_Moroney_卐_* wrote:

> On 3/11/2022 4:46 PM, Wills Duket wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: to change.
>>
>> not true. Polish is just a Russian dialect. The territory is Russian.
>
> Now you've done it, Maciej. 卐Путин卐 is about to invade Poland and start
> WW3. All so he can have his Третий Рейх.

Not knowing that historically, polish is just a *russian_dialect*, makes
you look funny. And *nazi*. You nazies will be collected in forced labour
camps, this time for good.

The most, highest and most *artistic_skyscrapers* in europe are in Russia.
Just imagine the number of buildings to be constructed with you nazies.
Hence the life standard is net superior in Russia, compared to the
*nazi_LGBTQ+_western_europe*

*bio_weapon_labs* in ukraine?? That's why, all pigs an chicken had to be
killed impoverishing the neighboring countries, "allied", "partners" to
that nato nazi shit. You repugnant nazi shit. You destroyed countries
economies in fucking europe!

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 by: Michael Moroney - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 16:49 UTC

On 3/12/2022 3:35 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 08:32:19 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 3/11/2022 4:46 PM, Wills Duket wrote:
>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is
>>>> equal. That's how things are in the world we inhabit.Your bunch of
>>>> idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!! as much as you want to, nothing is going
>>>> to change.
>>>
>>> not true. Polish is just a Russian dialect. The territory is Russian.
>> Now you've done it, Maciej. 卐Путин卐 is about to invade Poland
>
> Mike, get conscious. Invade Poland? With what?

With a couple million Ukrainians! The invasion is well underway! :-)

> He has no army,
> Ukrainians have killed it. He wasn't 25% as dangerous as we all
> believed a month ago, now he's not dangerous at all.

I am far less impressed with the Russian military now than I was a month
ago. But my point is, if you watch what the nymshifter babbles about, it
tracks Russian's interests closely at trying to stir up trouble here.
The US presidential election, supporting claims of fraud, then the US
Capitol invasion, and then the Covid vaccine. It switched to attacking
Ukraine about when the Russian military started preparing for the
invasion. Now the nymshifter is starting to talk about Poland being
part of Russia/Polish being a Russian dialect? Which means ????

Of course an actual invasion like Ukraine triggers NATO, so he may have
other ideas. But what?

> Time to
> stop to be afraid of that bandit.

He still has The Bomb. I feel Putin is insane and he may do foolish
things that any sane leader won't do. Like even if he wins Ukraine, what
does he get? Annexing or installing a puppet government in an already
impoverished country, now bombed out with the infrastructure destroyed,
and certainly with significant underground resistance, gets him what?
If he overran and annexed the Russian eastern provinces like he did with
Crimea it would "make sense". What he did doesn't.

He is still dangerous enough to do damage even if he cannot "win".
Anyway the nymshifter is discussing Poland, meaning what? I already
know the USSR annexed (kept) eastern Poland after WW2, now part of Belarus.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:53 UTC

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:49:24 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 3:35 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 08:32:19 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 3/11/2022 4:46 PM, Wills Duket wrote:
> >>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is
> >>>> equal. That's how things are in the world we inhabit.Your bunch of
> >>>> idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!! as much as you want to, nothing is going
> >>>> to change.
> >>>
> >>> not true. Polish is just a Russian dialect. The territory is Russian.
> >> Now you've done it, Maciej. 卐Путин卐 is about to invade Poland
> >
> > Mike, get conscious. Invade Poland? With what?
> With a couple million Ukrainians! The invasion is well underway! :-)
> > He has no army,
> > Ukrainians have killed it. He wasn't 25% as dangerous as we all
> > believed a month ago, now he's not dangerous at all.
> I am far less impressed with the Russian military now than I was a month
> ago. But my point is, if you watch what the nymshifter babbles about, it
> tracks Russian's interests closely at trying to stir up trouble here.
> The US presidential election, supporting claims of fraud, then the US
> Capitol invasion, and then the Covid vaccine. It switched to attacking
> Ukraine about when the Russian military started preparing for the
> invasion. Now the nymshifter is starting to talk about Poland being
> part of Russia/Polish being a Russian dialect? Which means ????

If even Putin planned something - he wouldn't inform
every idiot in the world about it.

>
> Of course an actual invasion like Ukraine triggers NATO, so he may have
> other ideas. But what?
> > Time to
> > stop to be afraid of that bandit.
> He still has The Bomb. I feel Putin is insane and he may do foolish
> things that any sane leader won't do. Like even if he wins Ukraine, what
> does he get? Annexing or installing a puppet government in an already
> impoverished country, now bombed out with the infrastructure destroyed,
> and certainly with significant underground resistance, gets him what?
> If he overran and annexed the Russian eastern provinces like he did with
> Crimea it would "make sense". What he did doesn't.
>
> He is still dangerous enough to do damage even if he cannot "win".
> Anyway the nymshifter is discussing Poland, meaning what? I already
> know the USSR annexed (kept) eastern Poland after WW2, now part of Belarus.

And Lithuania, and Ukraine. Vilnius was in that part. And Lviw.
Quite a big territory, but, well, not quite Polish. A complicated
history behind it.

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*_卐_Michael_Moroney_卐_* wrote:

>> He has no army,
>> Ukrainians have killed it. He wasn't 25% as dangerous as we all
>> believed a month ago, now he's not dangerous at all.
>
> I am far less impressed with the Russian military now than I was a month

You confused old nazi bitch. These american people say YOU are a stinking
nazi. They say, not others, pay attention you dirty nazi.

UK Column News - 11th March 2022
https://rumble.com/embed/vuhqff/

Lol, if you truly believe in capitalist elections, how come you got a
retard as president and laughing bitch as vice president. What a shame,
for fuck sake. Have shame you stinking uneducated nazi.

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 by: Vaugn Rhea - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 18:36 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:49:24 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> He is still dangerous enough to do damage even if he cannot "win".
>> Anyway the nymshifter is discussing Poland, meaning what? I already
>> know the USSR annexed (kept) eastern Poland after WW2, now part of
>> Belarus.
>
> And Lithuania, and Ukraine. Vilnius was in that part. And Lviw. Quite a
> big territory, but, well, not quite Polish. A complicated history behind
> it.

He save you from the nazis, you don't want it?? Have you a number on the
pigs and chicken which died, destroying the Polish economy, in connection
with those bio_weapons labs spread around in nazi ukraine? You guys are
crazy.

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 by: Vaugn Rhea - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 18:38 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

>> of Russia/Polish being a Russian dialect? Which means ????
>
> If even Putin planned something - he wouldn't inform every idiot in the
> world about it.

Pay attention at these americans. Because you don't know what happens in
your country, dialect or not. For non-slavic people, that's a Russian
dialect.

UK Column News - 11th March 2022 https://rumble.com/embed/vuhqff/

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From: moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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Subject: Re: Real simultaneity
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:30:59 -0500
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 by: Michael Moroney - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 00:30 UTC

On 3/12/2022 12:53 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:49:24 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 3:35 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 08:32:19 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/2022 4:46 PM, Wills Duket wrote:
>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Two events are simultaneous when its TAI/GPS/UTC time coordinate is
>>>>>> equal. That's how things are in the world we inhabit.Your bunch of
>>>>>> idiots can scream "NOOOOO!!!! as much as you want to, nothing is going
>>>>>> to change.
>>>>>
>>>>> not true. Polish is just a Russian dialect. The territory is Russian.
>>>> Now you've done it, Maciej. 卐Путин卐 is about to invade Poland
>>>
>>> Mike, get conscious. Invade Poland? With what?
>> With a couple million Ukrainians! The invasion is well underway! :-)
>>> He has no army,
>>> Ukrainians have killed it. He wasn't 25% as dangerous as we all
>>> believed a month ago, now he's not dangerous at all.
>> I am far less impressed with the Russian military now than I was a month
>> ago. But my point is, if you watch what the nymshifter babbles about, it
>> tracks Russian's interests closely at trying to stir up trouble here.
>> The US presidential election, supporting claims of fraud, then the US
>> Capitol invasion, and then the Covid vaccine. It switched to attacking
>> Ukraine about when the Russian military started preparing for the
>> invasion. Now the nymshifter is starting to talk about Poland being
>> part of Russia/Polish being a Russian dialect? Which means ????
>
> If even Putin planned something - he wouldn't inform
> every idiot in the world about it.
>
If it's something impossible to hide beforehand, he would. For weeks
before Russia actually invaded Ukraine, they were building up troops
along the border in Ukraine and puppet Belarus, and it was all over the
news here that Russia was certainly planning to invade, complete with
satellite images of troop congregations. Impossible to hide. So Russia
official news started to report all the "evils" of Ukraine, as did the
nymshifter.

If it was something that could be hidden, they'd hide it, the Russian
media would be quiet, the nymshifter would talk different nonsense, then
surprise! Russian tanks rolling into Ukraine by dawn and most taken by
surprise.

>>> Time to
>>> stop to be afraid of that bandit.
>> He still has The Bomb. I feel Putin is insane and he may do foolish
>> things that any sane leader won't do. Like even if he wins Ukraine, what
>> does he get? Annexing or installing a puppet government in an already
>> impoverished country, now bombed out with the infrastructure destroyed,
>> and certainly with significant underground resistance, gets him what?
>> If he overran and annexed the Russian eastern provinces like he did with
>> Crimea it would "make sense". What he did doesn't.
>>
>> He is still dangerous enough to do damage even if he cannot "win".
>> Anyway the nymshifter is discussing Poland, meaning what? I already
>> know the USSR annexed (kept) eastern Poland after WW2, now part of Belarus.
>
> And Lithuania, and Ukraine. Vilnius was in that part. And Lviw.
> Quite a big territory, but, well, not quite Polish. A complicated
> history behind it.

Very complicated esp. with all the population displacements after WW2.
I didn't learn too much about what was then "behind the Iron Curtain" in
school other than a bunch of countries were under the Soviet thumb. I
was rather fascinated with escapes through the Berlin Wall however.

I did learn that the Soviets/Russia were sneaky and did rather bizarre
things. Putin's Russia strongly reminds me of the USSR as far as its
actions and boldness, like the way they assassinated dissidents both
then and now. Of course Putin is an old KGB guy.

I've heard rumors Putin has cancer and some of his appearances suggest
chemotherapy. And he wants to leave a mark in history before he kicks
the bucket, thus attacking/annexing Ukraine is part of that. Who knows.

If the nonsense from Moscow/the nymshifter keeps going on about Poland
being a part of Russia/Polish a Russian dialect, expect something funny
involving Poland. What, I don't know.

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