https://tinyurl.com/y63rsseg

Cool book. There's a lot of stuff about ideas and such, and a lot of
good references.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On 12/19/21 7:49 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> https://tinyurl.com/y63rsseg
>
> Cool book. There's a lot of stuff about ideas and such, and a lot of
> good references.

Would you please share the real URL, not something obfuscated / hidden
behind (at least one) redirect?

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:30:53 -0700, Grant Taylor
<gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

>On 12/19/21 7:49 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> https://tinyurl.com/y63rsseg
>>
>> Cool book. There's a lot of stuff about ideas and such, and a lot of
>> good references.
>
>Would you please share the real URL, not something obfuscated / hidden
>behind (at least one) redirect?

It's safe. Click it.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 3:44:15 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:30:53 -0700, Grant Taylor
> <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/19/21 7:49 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> https://tinyurl.com/y63rsseg
> >>
> >> Cool book. There's a lot of stuff about ideas and such, and a lot of
> >> good references.
> >
> >Would you please share the real URL, not something obfuscated / hidden
> >behind (at least one) redirect?
>
> It's safe. Click it.

But the actual link to the Amazon website would be just as safe, and rather more obviously safe.

Our right-wing lunatics keep on hiding their links to nonsense sources like Fox New, Zero hedge and Russia Today by cloaking them as tinyurl links.

I don't see any valid reason for doing it that way.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> It's safe. Click it.

No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
random person on the Internet.

What's more is that two different security systems I have installed
objected / blocked the link.

So that's four strikes against it; random source, my own inhibition, the
first security system which I temporarily disabled, and the second
security system that blocked it.

Five if you count your apparent reluctance to provide a real URL.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:30:17 -0700, Grant Taylor
<gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

>On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> It's safe. Click it.
>
>No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
>random person on the Internet.

I've been posting here for decades.

>
>What's more is that two different security systems I have installed
>objected / blocked the link.
>
>So that's four strikes against it; random source, my own inhibition, the
>first security system which I temporarily disabled, and the second
>security system that blocked it.
>
>Five if you count your apparent reluctance to provide a real URL.

We have an unintended but interesting example of fear overcoming
curiosity.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On 20/12/2021 16:14, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:30:17 -0700, Grant Taylor
> <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> It's safe. Click it.
>>
>> No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
>> random person on the Internet.
>
> I've been posting here for decades.
>

Do you think that means people can decode your tinyurl's ? I think most
regulars here will appreciate that you won't intentionally post a
"dangerous" link. But a lot might think you'd post a pointless link.

I would not click your tinyurl links - or those of other regulars here.
Knowing that it is to an Amazon page, I'd still not click it. I am not
interested in clicking your adverts, nor am I interested in adding to
Amazon's massive collection of my data. Why should I contribute to
Amazon's promotion of a book I know nothing about, or make them think it
is the kind of book I am interested in? Why would I want to go to the
site of a company that has almost single-handedly destroyed bookshops
around the world, using what can only be described as grossly unethical
methods to gain a near monopoly with the abuse that comes with that?

If this is a book you like, and think it is worth sharing with the
group, then tell us the title of the book. Tell us the author and
publisher. Post a /real/ link to the book's webpage (or author's page,
or publisher's page). Tell us what the book is about, and why you like
it or found it interesting. "I like this book because it is cool" might
be acceptable as a book review when you are seven, but it is not really
appropriate here.

(To be clear here - it is very likely that a book you find interesting
will be of interest to others here. I'm not objecting to you sharing a
book recommendation, merely to the way you are doing it.)

On 12/20/21 8:14 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> I've been posting here for decades.

The length of time you've been posting doesn't change the fact that I
don't know you in person. Thus you qualify as some random person on the
Internet.

> We have an unintended but interesting example of fear overcoming
> curiosity.

Nope.

There's no fear involved.

There's less interest in the actual item you linked to than there is in
the fact that you are apparently refusing to provide more useful
information.

This really seems to be a Rick Roll type scenario. No thank you.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

On 2021-12-20 18:19, David Brown wrote:
> On 20/12/2021 16:14, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:30:17 -0700, Grant Taylor
>> <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> It's safe. Click it.
>>>
>>> No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
>>> random person on the Internet.
>>
>> I've been posting here for decades.
>>
>
> Do you think that means people can decode your tinyurl's ? I think most
> regulars here will appreciate that you won't intentionally post a
> "dangerous" link. But a lot might think you'd post a pointless link.
>
> I would not click your tinyurl links - or those of other regulars here.
> Knowing that it is to an Amazon page, I'd still not click it. I am not
> interested in clicking your adverts, nor am I interested in adding to
> Amazon's massive collection of my data. Why should I contribute to
> Amazon's promotion of a book I know nothing about, or make them think it
> is the kind of book I am interested in? Why would I want to go to the
> site of a company that has almost single-handedly destroyed bookshops
> around the world, using what can only be described as grossly unethical
> methods to gain a near monopoly with the abuse that comes with that?
>
> If this is a book you like, and think it is worth sharing with the
> group, then tell us the title of the book. Tell us the author and
> publisher. Post a /real/ link to the book's webpage (or author's page,
> or publisher's page). Tell us what the book is about, and why you like
> it or found it interesting. "I like this book because it is cool" might
> be acceptable as a book review when you are seven, but it is not really
> appropriate here.
>
> (To be clear here - it is very likely that a book you find interesting
> will be of interest to others here. I'm not objecting to you sharing a
> book recommendation, merely to the way you are doing it.)
>
>

Agreed. Posting links is OK, provided there is a bit of circumstantial
info that tells what the link is about and why it's worth taking the
risk and spending the time to click on it. Without that, I, at least,
will just ignore it, even if it's coming from people I otherwise
respect. If the circumstantial info is any good, the link is
superfluous. I can find out enough by myself.

A post saying just "Hey! Check this out!" is certain to get skipped.

Jeroen Belleman

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:54:04 -0700, Grant Taylor
<gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

>On 12/20/21 8:14 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> I've been posting here for decades.
>
>The length of time you've been posting doesn't change the fact that I
>don't know you in person. Thus you qualify as some random person on the
>Internet.
>
>> We have an unintended but interesting example of fear overcoming
>> curiosity.
>
>Nope.
>
>There's no fear involved.
>
>There's less interest in the actual item you linked to than there is in
>the fact that you are apparently refusing to provide more useful
>information.
>
>This really seems to be a Rick Roll type scenario. No thank you.

It wouldn't interest you anyhow.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:14:40 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:30:17 -0700, Grant Taylor
> <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> It's safe. Click it.
> >
> >No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
> >random person on the Internet.
> I've been posting here for decades.
> >
> >What's more is that two different security systems I have installed
> >objected / blocked the link.
> >
> >So that's four strikes against it; random source, my own inhibition, the
> >first security system which I temporarily disabled, and the second
> >security system that blocked it.
> >
> >Five if you count your apparent reluctance to provide a real URL.
> We have an unintended but interesting example of fear overcoming
> curiosity.

Curiosity killed the cat.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 12:06:11 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 11:14:40 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:30:17 -0700, Grant Taylor
> > <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > >> It's safe. Click it.
> > >
> > >No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
> > >random person on the Internet.
> > I've been posting here for decades.
> > >
> > >What's more is that two different security systems I have installed
> > >objected / blocked the link.
> > >
> > >So that's four strikes against it; random source, my own inhibition, the
> > >first security system which I temporarily disabled, and the second
> > >security system that blocked it.
> > >
> > >Five if you count your apparent reluctance to provide a real URL.
> > We have an unintended but interesting example of fear overcoming
> > curiosity.
> Curiosity killed the cat.
>
> --
>
> Rick C.
>
> - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
> - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

Temptation got the best of me. I've heard that thing about curiosity for over half a century. The rest of the quote
is here.
<https://quotesbus.com/curiosity-killed-the-cat/>

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:30:09 AM UTC-4, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > It's safe. Click it.
> No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
> random person on the Internet.
>
> What's more is that two different security systems I have installed
> objected / blocked the link.
>
> So that's four strikes against it; random source, my own inhibition, the
> first security system which I temporarily disabled, and the second
> security system that blocked it.
>
> Five if you count your apparent reluctance to provide a real URL.

Maybe it's good to not click that link. Here is what I got,

"uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading"
Because of the following filter:
||viglink.com^
Found in: Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list

Even going to legitimate sites can send your browser down a rabbit hole of redirects.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Dec 2021 18:19:40 +0100) it happened David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote in <spqdvc$48t$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 20/12/2021 16:14, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:30:17 -0700, Grant Taylor
>> <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> It's safe. Click it.
>>>
>>> No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
>>> random person on the Internet.
>>
>> I've been posting here for decades.
>>
>
>Do you think that means people can decode your tinyurl's ? I think most
>regulars here will appreciate that you won't intentionally post a
>"dangerous" link. But a lot might think you'd post a pointless link.
>
>I would not click your tinyurl links - or those of other regulars here.
> Knowing that it is to an Amazon page, I'd still not click it. I am not
>interested in clicking your adverts, nor am I interested in adding to
>Amazon's massive collection of my data. Why should I contribute to
>Amazon's promotion of a book I know nothing about, or make them think it
>is the kind of book I am interested in? Why would I want to go to the
>site of a company that has almost single-handedly destroyed bookshops
>around the world, using what can only be described as grossly unethical
>methods to gain a near monopoly with the abuse that comes with that?
>
>If this is a book you like, and think it is worth sharing with the
>group, then tell us the title of the book. Tell us the author and
>publisher. Post a /real/ link to the book's webpage (or author's page,
>or publisher's page). Tell us what the book is about, and why you like
>it or found it interesting. "I like this book because it is cool" might
>be acceptable as a book review when you are seven, but it is not really
>appropriate here.
>
>(To be clear here - it is very likely that a book you find interesting
>will be of interest to others here. I'm not objecting to you sharing a
>book recommendation, merely to the way you are doing it.)

Sure tinyurls are a potential security risk, so is every site these days after the recent hack:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/hackers-launch-over-840000-attacks-through-log4j-flaw/
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
Your PC is now encrypted click <here> to reboot

Hey! Check this out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:30:07 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Dec 2021 18:19:40 +0100) it happened David Brown
> <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote in <spqdvc$48t$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >On 20/12/2021 16:14, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:30:17 -0700, Grant Taylor
> >> <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 12/19/21 9:44 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>>> It's safe. Click it.
> >>>
> >>> No offense intended, but I have no idea who you are. You are some
> >>> random person on the Internet.
> >>
> >> I've been posting here for decades.
> >>
> >
> >Do you think that means people can decode your tinyurl's ? I think most
> >regulars here will appreciate that you won't intentionally post a
> >"dangerous" link. But a lot might think you'd post a pointless link.
> >
> >I would not click your tinyurl links - or those of other regulars here.
> > Knowing that it is to an Amazon page, I'd still not click it. I am not
> >interested in clicking your adverts, nor am I interested in adding to
> >Amazon's massive collection of my data. Why should I contribute to
> >Amazon's promotion of a book I know nothing about, or make them think it
> >is the kind of book I am interested in? Why would I want to go to the
> >site of a company that has almost single-handedly destroyed bookshops
> >around the world, using what can only be described as grossly unethical
> >methods to gain a near monopoly with the abuse that comes with that?
> >
> >If this is a book you like, and think it is worth sharing with the
> >group, then tell us the title of the book. Tell us the author and
> >publisher. Post a /real/ link to the book's webpage (or author's page,
> >or publisher's page). Tell us what the book is about, and why you like
> >it or found it interesting. "I like this book because it is cool" might
> >be acceptable as a book review when you are seven, but it is not really
> >appropriate here.
> >
> >(To be clear here - it is very likely that a book you find interesting
> >will be of interest to others here. I'm not objecting to you sharing a
> >book recommendation, merely to the way you are doing it.)
> Sure tinyurls are a potential security risk, so is every site these days after the recent hack:
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/hackers-launch-over-840000-attacks-through-log4j-flaw/
> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
> Your PC is now encrypted click <here> to reboot

Apache : 1

MS Windows : 5,385,349

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On 12/20/21 11:14 AM, Rick C wrote:
> Maybe it's good to not click that link.

:-)

> Here is what I got,
>
> "uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading"
> Because of the following filter:
> ||viglink.com^
> Found in: Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list

Yep.

When using a temporary exception, uMatrix gave a hard block on the
redirect.viglink.com redirector.

"uMatrix has prevented the following page from loading"

uMatrix does provide a cleaner URL:

https://www.amazon.com/Curious-Desire-Know-Future-Depends/dp/0465097626/ref=sr_1_1

Which can be further cleaned up to be:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465097626/

Curious: The Desire to Know and Why Your Future Depends On It by Ian Leslie

> Even going to legitimate sites can send your browser down a rabbit
> hole of redirects.

Indeed!

I've seen less questionable behavior from porn and warez sites.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:02:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:54:04 -0700, Grant Taylor
> <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/20/21 8:14 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> I've been posting here for decades.
> >
> >The length of time you've been posting doesn't change the fact that I
> >don't know you in person. Thus you qualify as some random person on the
> >Internet.
> >
> >> We have an unintended but interesting example of fear overcoming
> >> curiosity.
> >
> >Nope.
> >
> >There's no fear involved.
> >
> >There's less interest in the actual item you linked to than there is in
> >the fact that you are apparently refusing to provide more useful
> >information.
> >
> >This really seems to be a Rick Roll type scenario. No thank you.
> It wouldn't interest you anyhow.

Apparently it doesn't interest anyone.

--

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++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:35:12 -0800 (PST)) it happened Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<6b8f73c0-0a2b-438c-8531-07777703eb77n@googlegroups.com>:

>> >it or found it interesting. "I like this book because it is cool" might
>> >be acceptable as a book review when you are seven, but it is not really
>> >appropriate here.
>> >
>> >(To be clear here - it is very likely that a book you find interesting
>> >will be of interest to others here. I'm not objecting to you sharing a
>> >book recommendation, merely to the way you are doing it.)
>> Sure tinyurls are a potential security risk, so is every site these days after the recent hack:
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/hackers-launch-over-840000-attacks-through-log4j-flaw/
>> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
>> Your PC is now encrypted click <here> to reboot
>
>Apache : 1
>
>MS Windows : 5,385,349
>
>--
>
>Rick C.
>
>+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging

Angry owner blows up his Tesla (VIDEO):
https://www.rt.com/news/543738-tesla-explosion-musk-finland/

20,000 Euro for a new battery is a bit much I think.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 4:44:15 AM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:30:53 -0700, Grant Taylor
> <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>
> >On 12/19/21 7:49 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> https://tinyurl.com/y63rsseg
> >>
> >> Cool book. There's a lot of stuff about ideas and such, and a lot of
> >> good references.
> >
> >Would you please share the real URL, not something obfuscated / hidden
> >behind (at least one) redirect?
> It's safe. Click it.
> --
>
> I yam what I yam - Popeye

uBlock origin popped up & blocked the redirect
but it allows you to see the URL's contents
I take it this is the book?:
https://www.amazon.com/Curious-Desire-Know-Future-Depends/dp/0465097626

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:50:59 -0700, Grant Taylor
<gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

>On 12/20/21 11:14 AM, Rick C wrote:
>> Maybe it's good to not click that link.
>
>:-)
>
>> Here is what I got,
>>
>> "uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading"
>> Because of the following filter:
>> ||viglink.com^
>> Found in: Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list
>
>Yep.
>
>When using a temporary exception, uMatrix gave a hard block on the
>redirect.viglink.com redirector.
>
>"uMatrix has prevented the following page from loading"
>
>uMatrix does provide a cleaner URL:
>
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Curious-Desire-Know-Future-Depends/dp/0465097626/ref=sr_1_1
>
>Which can be further cleaned up to be:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465097626/
>
>Curious: The Desire to Know and Why Your Future Depends On It by Ian Leslie
>
>> Even going to legitimate sites can send your browser down a rabbit
>> hole of redirects.
>
>Indeed!
>
>I've seen less questionable behavior from porn and warez sites.

Probably so. This group is about electronic design.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 12:42:21 UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
....
> >
> >I've seen less questionable behavior from porn and warez sites.
> Probably so. This group is about electronic design.
....

Regardless of how much we trust John Larkin that post may be have been done by somebody else impersonating you and exploiting any trust we have in you.

You are often calling out other people for being jerks, why are you being one on this issue?

You simply needed to post the actual link when you were asked, or preferably the title and author of the book.

kw

On 12/20/21 5:30 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
> You simply needed to post the actual link when you were asked, or
> preferably the title and author of the book.

I suspect we've all been guilty of inadvertently sharing a questionable
link. But I try to always share a good clean link if someone asks.
Mistakes happen. How we respond to them is what's important.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:30:44 -0800 (PST), "ke...@kjwdesigns.com"
<keith@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 12:42:21 UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>...
>> >
>> >I've seen less questionable behavior from porn and warez sites.
>> Probably so. This group is about electronic design.
>...
>
>Regardless of how much we trust John Larkin that post may be have been done by somebody else impersonating you and exploiting any trust we have in you.
>
>You are often calling out other people for being jerks, why are you being one on this issue?
>
>You simply needed to post the actual link when you were asked, or preferably the title and author of the book.
>
>kw

I didn't need to do anything, or please anybody.

Feel free to ignore me. I don't mind.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:01:47 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:30:44 -0800 (PST), "ke...@kjwdesigns.com"
> <ke...@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 20 December 2021 at 12:42:21 UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> >...
> >> >
> >> >I've seen less questionable behavior from porn and warez sites.
> >> Probably so. This group is about electronic design.
> >...
> >
> >Regardless of how much we trust John Larkin that post may be have been done by somebody else impersonating you and exploiting any trust we have in you.
> >
> >You are often calling out other people for being jerks, why are you being one on this issue?
> >
> >You simply needed to post the actual link when you were asked, or preferably the title and author of the book.
> >
> >kw
> I didn't need to do anything, or please anybody.
>
> Feel free to ignore me. I don't mind.

Did anyone expect a response that was any different? It's not like this is the first time Larkin has been a jerk. But it is true, he really doesn't care and that says it all. Jeez, posting the full link would be admitting he was wrong in the first place. That's not going to happen. Not from a willful and knowing jerk.

--

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