Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it’s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>> After all I’m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I’m
>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I’m fairly self
>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>
>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>
>>
>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>
> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
> happy with me.
>
I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
hunting grounds.

Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
trouble or more normally dogs.

Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
likely to be at a considerable distance.

I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.

Roger Merrriman

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>
>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>
>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>> happy with me.
>>
>I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>hunting grounds.
>
>Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>trouble or more normally dogs.
>
>Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>likely to be at a considerable distance.
>
>I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>
>Roger Merrriman

I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>>
>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>>> happy with me.
>>>
>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>> hunting grounds.
>>
>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>>
>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>>
>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>>
>> Roger Merrriman
>
> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>
Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.

To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!

Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
roads ie road kill!

Roger Merriman

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 7:56:26 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
> >>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
> >>>>>>>>> sociable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
> >>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
> >>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
> >>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
> >>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
> >>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
> >>>>>>>> during rides.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
> >>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
> >>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
> >>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
> >>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
> >>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
> >>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
> >>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
> >>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
> >>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
> >>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride..
> >>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
> >>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
> >>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
> >>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
> >>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
> >>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
> >>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
> >>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
> >>>
> >>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
> >>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
> >>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
> >>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
> >>> happy with me.
> >>>
> >> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
> >> hunting grounds.
> >>
> >> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
> >> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
> >> trouble or more normally dogs.
> >>
> >> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
> >> likely to be at a considerable distance.
> >>
> >> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
> >> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
> >> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
> >>
> >> Roger Merrriman
> >
> > I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
> > animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
> > outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
> >
> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>
> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>
> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
> roads ie road kill!
>
> Roger Merriman
Tuesday as I was riding up the closed section of Redwood Rd. There was quite a few female white tail deer on the road that showed no fear whatsoever of the bicycle. I'm not sure that is a good thing since sooner or later they are going to have to repair that road and then the local asses will use it as a race track and those animals will be at risk. The only good thing is that it may cause these drivers to lose control and kill themselves making nightly news demanding that all of the deer be killed as a menace to society.

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:26 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
> >>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
> >>>>>>>>> sociable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
> >>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
> >>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
> >>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
> >>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
> >>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
> >>>>>>>> during rides.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
> >>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
> >>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
> >>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
> >>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
> >>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
> >>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
> >>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
> >>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
> >>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
> >>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride..
> >>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
> >>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
> >>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
> >>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
> >>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
> >>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
> >>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
> >>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
> >>>
> >>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
> >>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
> >>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
> >>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
> >>> happy with me.
> >>>
> >> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
> >> hunting grounds.
> >>
> >> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
> >> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
> >> trouble or more normally dogs.
> >>
> >> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
> >> likely to be at a considerable distance.
> >>
> >> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
> >> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
> >> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
> >>
> >> Roger Merrriman
> >
> > I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
> > animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
> > outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
> >
> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>
> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>
> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
> roads ie road kill!
>
> Roger Merriman

"birtdtable"?

funkma...@hotmail.com <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:26 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>>>>> happy with me.
>>>>>
>>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>>>> hunting grounds.
>>>>
>>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>>>>
>>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>>>>
>>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merrriman
>>>
>>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>>>
>> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>>
>> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>>
>> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>> roads ie road kill!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> "birtdtable"?
>

Bird table I’d clearly not typed slow enough!

Roger Merriman

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 7:56:26 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>>>>> happy with me.
>>>>>
>>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>>>> hunting grounds.
>>>>
>>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>>>>
>>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>>>>
>>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merrriman
>>>
>>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>>>
>> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>>
>> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>>
>> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>> roads ie road kill!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
> Tuesday as I was riding up the closed section of Redwood Rd. There was
> quite a few female white tail deer on the road that showed no fear
> whatsoever of the bicycle. I'm not sure that is a good thing since sooner
> or later they are going to have to repair that road and then the local
> asses will use it as a race track and those animals will be at risk. The
> only good thing is that it may cause these drivers to lose control and
> kill themselves making nightly news demanding that all of the deer be
> killed as a menace to society.
>
Depends I guess on the road, most of the roads I see deer or even sheep who
are definitely not bothered by cars nor wild for that matter. Are narrow
roads, and sort of places that can have all sorts of things in the road
from fallen branches/stones to wildlife and livestock.

Though these are likely to be stationary or close enough, more careful is
other vehicles ie closing speed. Hence a degree of caution particularly in
daylight where visibility is less is wise!

Roger Merriman

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:45:20 PM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:26 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
> >>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
> >>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
> >>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
> >>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
> >>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
> >>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
> >>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
> >>>>>>>>>> during rides.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
> >>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
> >>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
> >>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
> >>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
> >>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
> >>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
> >>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
> >>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
> >>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
> >>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
> >>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
> >>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
> >>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
> >>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
> >>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
> >>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
> >>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
> >>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
> >>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
> >>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
> >>>>> happy with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
> >>>> hunting grounds.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
> >>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
> >>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
> >>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
> >>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
> >>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merrriman
> >>>
> >>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
> >>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
> >>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
> >>>
> >> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
> >> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
> >> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
> >>
> >> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
> >> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
> >>
> >> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
> >> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
> >> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
> >> roads ie road kill!
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > "birtdtable"?
> >
> Bird table I’d clearly not typed slow enough!
>

I'm still not sure what that is. I googled it and got pictures of bird feeding tables. Is that what you're referring to?

funkma...@hotmail.com <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:45:20 PM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:26 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>>>>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>>>>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>>>>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>>>>>>> happy with me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>>>>>> hunting grounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>>>>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>>>>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>>>>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>>>>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>>>>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merrriman
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>>>>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>>>>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>>>>>
>>>> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>>>> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>>>> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>>>>
>>>> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>>>> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>>>>
>>>> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>>>> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>>>> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>>>> roads ie road kill!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> "birtdtable"?
>>>
>> Bird table I’d clearly not typed slow enough!
>>
>
> I'm still not sure what that is. I googled it and got pictures of bird
> feeding tables. Is that what you're referring to?
>
Indeed also get hedgehogs foxes and few other animals in the garden as pond
so water/food

Plus as it’s older properties the fences are porous.

Roger Merriman

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:45:20 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 7:56:26 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
> >>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
> >>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
> >>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
> >>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
> >>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
> >>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
> >>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
> >>>>>>>>>> during rides.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
> >>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
> >>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
> >>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
> >>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
> >>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
> >>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
> >>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
> >>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
> >>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
> >>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
> >>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
> >>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
> >>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
> >>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
> >>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
> >>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
> >>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
> >>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
> >>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
> >>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
> >>>>> happy with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
> >>>> hunting grounds.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
> >>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
> >>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
> >>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
> >>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
> >>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merrriman
> >>>
> >>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
> >>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
> >>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
> >>>
> >> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
> >> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
> >> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
> >>
> >> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
> >> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
> >>
> >> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
> >> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
> >> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
> >> roads ie road kill!
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> > Tuesday as I was riding up the closed section of Redwood Rd. There was
> > quite a few female white tail deer on the road that showed no fear
> > whatsoever of the bicycle. I'm not sure that is a good thing since sooner
> > or later they are going to have to repair that road and then the local
> > asses will use it as a race track and those animals will be at risk. The
> > only good thing is that it may cause these drivers to lose control and
> > kill themselves making nightly news demanding that all of the deer be
> > killed as a menace to society.
> >
> Depends I guess on the road, most of the roads I see deer or even sheep who
> are definitely not bothered by cars nor wild for that matter. Are narrow
> roads, and sort of places that can have all sorts of things in the road
> from fallen branches/stones to wildlife and livestock.
>
> Though these are likely to be stationary or close enough, more careful is
> other vehicles ie closing speed. Hence a degree of caution particularly in
> daylight where visibility is less is wise!
>
> Roger Merriman

California is filled with illegal aliens that are not prosecuted for anything, even speeding tickets, so they go literally as fast as they can.

On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:45:20 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:26 AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
> >>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
> >>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
> >>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
> >>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
> >>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
> >>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
> >>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
> >>>>>>>>>> during rides.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
> >>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
> >>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
> >>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
> >>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
> >>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
> >>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
> >>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
> >>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
> >>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
> >>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
> >>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
> >>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
> >>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
> >>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
> >>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
> >>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
> >>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
> >>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
> >>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
> >>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
> >>>>> happy with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
> >>>> hunting grounds.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
> >>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
> >>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
> >>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
> >>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
> >>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merrriman
> >>>
> >>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
> >>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
> >>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
> >>>
> >> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
> >> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
> >> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
> >>
> >> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
> >> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
> >>
> >> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
> >> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
> >> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
> >> roads ie road kill!
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > "birtdtable"?
> >
> Bird table I’d clearly not typed slow enough!
>
> Roger Merriman

Flunky isn't bright enough to recognize a typo or to figure out another name for a feeding station.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:45:20 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 7:56:26 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>>>>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>>>>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>>>>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>>>>>>> happy with me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>>>>>> hunting grounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>>>>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>>>>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>>>>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>>>>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>>>>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merrriman
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>>>>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>>>>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>>>>>
>>>> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>>>> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>>>> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>>>>
>>>> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>>>> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>>>>
>>>> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>>>> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>>>> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>>>> roads ie road kill!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>> Tuesday as I was riding up the closed section of Redwood Rd. There was
>>> quite a few female white tail deer on the road that showed no fear
>>> whatsoever of the bicycle. I'm not sure that is a good thing since sooner
>>> or later they are going to have to repair that road and then the local
>>> asses will use it as a race track and those animals will be at risk. The
>>> only good thing is that it may cause these drivers to lose control and
>>> kill themselves making nightly news demanding that all of the deer be
>>> killed as a menace to society.
>>>
>> Depends I guess on the road, most of the roads I see deer or even sheep who
>> are definitely not bothered by cars nor wild for that matter. Are narrow
>> roads, and sort of places that can have all sorts of things in the road
>> from fallen branches/stones to wildlife and livestock.
>>
>> Though these are likely to be stationary or close enough, more careful is
>> other vehicles ie closing speed. Hence a degree of caution particularly in
>> daylight where visibility is less is wise!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> California is filled with illegal aliens that are not prosecuted for
> anything, even speeding tickets, so they go literally as fast as they can.
>
I’d not be worried about speeding tickets at least in the country roads
where I might encounter deer, more that I might encounter either a car
coming the other way, or the stone lined wall and so on.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:13:39 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 7:56:26?AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>> >>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>> >>>>>>>>> sociable.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>> >>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>> >>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>> >>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>> >>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>> >>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>> >>>>>>>> during rides.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>> >>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>> >>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>> >>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>> >>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>> >>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>> >>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>> >>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>> >>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>> >>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>> >>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>> >>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>> >>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>> >>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>> >>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>> >>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>> >>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>> >>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>> >>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>> >>>
>> >>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>> >>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>> >>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>> >>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>> >>> happy with me.
>> >>>
>> >> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>> >> hunting grounds.
>> >>
>> >> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>> >> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>> >> trouble or more normally dogs.
>> >>
>> >> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>> >> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>> >>
>> >> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>> >> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>> >> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>> >>
>> >> Roger Merrriman
>> >
>> > I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>> > animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>> > outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>> >
>> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>>
>> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>>
>> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>> roads ie road kill!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>Tuesday as I was riding up the closed section of Redwood Rd. There was quite a few female white tail deer on the road that showed no fear whatsoever of the bicycle. I'm not sure that is a good thing since sooner or later they are going to have to repair that road and then the local asses will use it as a race track and those animals will be at risk. The only good thing is that it may cause these drivers to lose control and kill themselves making nightly news demanding that all of the deer be killed as a menace to society.

Whenever I see a deer showing no fear, I do whatever I need to do to
make it afraid. Sometimes I get chastised for that by people who don't
know any better. I'm not opposed to hunting deer, I've done it myself,
but it should be a fair contest.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> On 6/29/2023 2:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>
> Yawn. Been there, done that.
>
> Okefenokee, Georgia.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/16972296@N08/53011489063/in/dateposted-public/
>
> That's one on the culvert, just past my wife. Others were closer on
> the road. Admittedly, it was a chilly day so they weren't very
> energetic.
>
> And if you count the ones in the ditch, not on the pavement, I've also
> ridden past them on back roads a bit south of Jacksonville.

It's more fun in a canoe.

--

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:13:50 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
>> On 6/29/2023 2:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>
>> Yawn. Been there, done that.
>>
>> Okefenokee, Georgia.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/16972296@N08/53011489063/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> That's one on the culvert, just past my wife. Others were closer on
>> the road. Admittedly, it was a chilly day so they weren't very
>> energetic.
>>
>> And if you count the ones in the ditch, not on the pavement, I've also
>> ridden past them on back roads a bit south of Jacksonville.
>
>It's more fun in a canoe.

Yes. Been there, done that.. also in a kayak.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:45:20?PM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:56:26?AM UTC-4, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>> >>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>> >>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>> >>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>> >>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>> >>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>> >>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>> >>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>> >>>>>>>>>> during rides.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>> >>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>> >>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>> >>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>> >>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>> >>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>> >>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>> >>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>> >>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>> >>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>> >>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>> >>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>> >>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>> >>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>> >>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>> >>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>> >>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>> >>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>> >>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>> >>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>> >>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>> >>>>> happy with me.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>> >>>> hunting grounds.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>> >>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>> >>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>> >>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>> >>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>> >>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Roger Merrriman
>> >>>
>> >>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>> >>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>> >>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>> >>>
>> >> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>> >> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>> >> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>> >>
>> >> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>> >> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>> >>
>> >> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>> >> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>> >> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>> >> roads ie road kill!
>> >>
>> >> Roger Merriman
>> >
>> > "birtdtable"?
>> >
>> Bird table I’d clearly not typed slow enough!
>>
>
>I'm still not sure what that is. I googled it and got pictures of bird feeding tables. Is that what you're referring to?

In American English a coffee table is where you have coffee so a bird
table must be where you have a bird :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:03:19 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:45:20?AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 7:56:26?AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>>>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>>>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>>>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>>>>>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>>>>>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>>>>>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>>>>>>>> happy with me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>>>>>>> hunting grounds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>>>>>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>>>>>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>>>>>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>>>>>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>>>>>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger Merrriman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>>>>>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>>>>>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>>>>> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>>>>> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>>>>>
>>>>> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>>>>> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>>>>>
>>>>> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>>>>> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>>>>> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>>>>> roads ie road kill!
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>> Tuesday as I was riding up the closed section of Redwood Rd. There was
>>>> quite a few female white tail deer on the road that showed no fear
>>>> whatsoever of the bicycle. I'm not sure that is a good thing since sooner
>>>> or later they are going to have to repair that road and then the local
>>>> asses will use it as a race track and those animals will be at risk. The
>>>> only good thing is that it may cause these drivers to lose control and
>>>> kill themselves making nightly news demanding that all of the deer be
>>>> killed as a menace to society.
>>>>
>>> Depends I guess on the road, most of the roads I see deer or even sheep who
>>> are definitely not bothered by cars nor wild for that matter. Are narrow
>>> roads, and sort of places that can have all sorts of things in the road
>>> from fallen branches/stones to wildlife and livestock.
>>>
>>> Though these are likely to be stationary or close enough, more careful is
>>> other vehicles ie closing speed. Hence a degree of caution particularly in
>>> daylight where visibility is less is wise!
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> California is filled with illegal aliens that are not prosecuted for
>> anything, even speeding tickets, so they go literally as fast as they can.
>>
>I’d not be worried about speeding tickets at least in the country roads
>where I might encounter deer, more that I might encounter either a car
>coming the other way, or the stone lined wall and so on.
>
>Roger Merriman

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:03:19 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:45:20?AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 7:56:26?AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:55:42 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:20:48 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 10:03 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:27:32?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 6:09 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that my club runs are either social in nature ie slower folks or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravel rides so tend to be smaller groups and it?s main purpose is to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sociability is a great value to me and many other people, but it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the only one. Human civilization grew and advanced through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, and so can cycling knowledge and experience. I've both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shared and learned from others regarding beautiful riding routes, good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restaurants, traffic techniques, riding techniques and more. And I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped many, many friends or acquaintances who had mechanical problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during rides.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less about learning stuff really more about being sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After all I?m generally faster on my own particularly on the Gravel as I?m
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better on the technical stuff than most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For me, it's varied quite a lot over the years. I used to do many of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solo rides home from work as fast as I possibly could, and most group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rides would be slower and more sociable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, I did one double century. Three of us completed that together (~20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started), and we succeeded in part by intense cooperation and drafting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep our speed up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to any epic stuff lone! Lot of it is off road and I?m fairly self
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient and all that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So we know the general area to send the search party? Offroad is
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably best used with a friend or two. That is the place you are
>>>>>>>>>>>> most likely to break bones. Most of my solo rides are on road. I used
>>>>>>>>>>>> to solo offroad because no one wanted to go where I wanted to ride.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But that really big crash gave me a clue. I only had some minor
>>>>>>>>>>>> injuries to a finger but what the hell if I broke a leg or something?
>>>>>>>>>>>> That hill was so steep that when I went over the bars I must have fell
>>>>>>>>>>>> about 8 feet. That gave me enough time to turn around and land with my
>>>>>>>>>>>> full body. But what if it didn't? So be careful.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've never been interested in off-road bicycling for the simple reason
>>>>>>>>>>> that when in an off-road deep-woods environment, I want to be able to
>>>>>>>>>>> soak it up and see the wild-life rather than be striving to keep
>>>>>>>>>>> wheels under me. I'd rather be on horseback, or even better, on foot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then again Mr Merriman probably doesn't ride near alligators.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probably true, but I've seen many other critters while on walks/hikes
>>>>>>>>> in various deep-woods locations. Some not particularly dangerous and
>>>>>>>>> other that were. I once looked up from a footpath in Colorado and
>>>>>>>>> stared into the eyes of a moose that indicated she was not at all
>>>>>>>>> happy with me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see Red Deer regularly as they are semi wild in the royal parks, ie old
>>>>>>>> hunting grounds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which are big deer though not quite as large as Moose but again the Bucks
>>>>>>>> are fine it’s getting between does and babies that will get one into
>>>>>>>> trouble or more normally dogs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are red deer fully wild but they tend to be the Scottish highlands and
>>>>>>>> likely to be at a considerable distance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had forgotten about pigs or rather wild boars which exist and are
>>>>>>>> spreading at the edge of wales Boarderlands in the Forrest of dean again
>>>>>>>> though mosty folks don’t see them, it’s a popular MTB/walking etc area.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merrriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I cannot explain, why I am, like many other people, fascinated with
>>>>>>> animals and birds. It's one of the things I look forward to when I am
>>>>>>> outdoors, and one of the reasons why I dislike urban locations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Similar have birtdtable even and don’t mind the pigeons and squirrels, I
>>>>>> see deer in all sorts of places, from the Royal Parks which is I guess
>>>>>> suburban, and they are used to people and relaxed to a point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To deer in the greener forgotten places around london or out in the woods
>>>>>> around Surrey which is a briefer encounter!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get red kites (big bird of prey not quite eagle sized) often over work,
>>>>>> though as ever more spectacular back in Wales in the hills even at a
>>>>>> greater distance than gliding overhead in a urban setting, they like big
>>>>>> roads ie road kill!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>> Tuesday as I was riding up the closed section of Redwood Rd. There was
>>>>> quite a few female white tail deer on the road that showed no fear
>>>>> whatsoever of the bicycle. I'm not sure that is a good thing since sooner
>>>>> or later they are going to have to repair that road and then the local
>>>>> asses will use it as a race track and those animals will be at risk. The
>>>>> only good thing is that it may cause these drivers to lose control and
>>>>> kill themselves making nightly news demanding that all of the deer be
>>>>> killed as a menace to society.
>>>>>
>>>> Depends I guess on the road, most of the roads I see deer or even sheep who
>>>> are definitely not bothered by cars nor wild for that matter. Are narrow
>>>> roads, and sort of places that can have all sorts of things in the road
>>>> from fallen branches/stones to wildlife and livestock.
>>>>
>>>> Though these are likely to be stationary or close enough, more careful is
>>>> other vehicles ie closing speed. Hence a degree of caution particularly in
>>>> daylight where visibility is less is wise!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> California is filled with illegal aliens that are not prosecuted for
>>> anything, even speeding tickets, so they go literally as fast as they can.
>>>
>> I’d not be worried about speeding tickets at least in the country roads
>> where I might encounter deer, more that I might encounter either a car
>> coming the other way, or the stone lined wall and so on.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Here, in "deer" country you have to look out for the deer :-)
> In the state of New Hampshire something like 1200 auto - deer
> collisions occur annually and about 120 people die in the crashes.
>
Depends on the road, south of me in Surrey most of the roads that network
the Surrey hills and woods, are generally smaller slower roads, and so deer
are much less of a issue though I’ve not encountered any in the car or
aware of it as problem, Surrey has extensive woods and deer.