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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 14:51 UTC

Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
That is to say Vo (velocity of the measurable rocket in the terrestrial
frame of reference) as a function of To (terrestrial time).
We know, for example, that to cover the 12ly with an acceleration of
g=10m/s², the rocket will take To= 12 years and 338 days.
Everyone says the same, including me.
The speed will then be Vo=0.98076c
I have the same result too.

But is there an equation, giving, for each portion of the course, the
relationship between To and Vo?

Feel free to grab a cup of coffee if needed.

Thanks.

R.H.

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 by: Python - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 14:53 UTC

Richard "Hachel" Lengrand (M.D.) :
> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a
> function of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
> That is to say Vo (velocity of the measurable rocket in the terrestrial
> frame of reference) as a function of To (terrestrial time).
> We know, for example, that to cover the 12ly with an acceleration of
> g=10m/s², the rocket will take To= 12 years and 338 days.
> Everyone says the same, including me.
> The speed will then be Vo=0.98076c
> I have the same result too.
>
> But is there an equation, giving, for each portion of the course, the
> relationship between To and Vo?
>
> Feel free to grab a cup of coffee if needed.

https://paulba.no/pdf/TwinsByMetric.pdf
eq. 15, page 3.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:03 UTC

Le 30/03/2022 à 16:53, Python a écrit :
> Richard "Hachel" Lengrand (M.D.) :
>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a
>> function of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>> That is to say Vo (velocity of the measurable rocket in the terrestrial
>> frame of reference) as a function of To (terrestrial time).
>> We know, for example, that to cover the 12ly with an acceleration of
>> g=10m/s², the rocket will take To= 12 years and 338 days.
>> Everyone says the same, including me.
>> The speed will then be Vo=0.98076c
>> I have the same result too.
>>
>> But is there an equation, giving, for each portion of the course, the
>> relationship between To and Vo?
>>
>> Feel free to grab a cup of coffee if needed.
>
> https://paulba.no/pdf/TwinsByMetric.pdf
> eq. 15, page 3.

Oui, je connais, cette équation. Je n'ai pas besoin qu'on me la donne (je
l'avais déjà avant de la connaître).

Je l'avais dérivée de Vo=Vr/sqrt(1+Vr²/c²) et de Vr=g.Tr

Tu penses bien que si c'était pour donner cette équation là, je ne
m'embêterais à poser la question.

Seulement Tr, c'est le temps propre de la fusée.

Je pose la question pour To (le temps terrestre).

J'aimerai avoir la correspondance directe (car sinon, je sais calculer,
t'inquiète....)

Je cherche simplement une formule plus directe donnant Vo en fonction de
To (et non Tr, ça, c'est facile,
et, à ce que je vois, connu des scientifiques).

Merci quand même pour ton effort.

R.H.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:31 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
> of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
> That is to say Vo (velocity of the measurable rocket in the terrestrial
> frame of reference) as a function of To (terrestrial time).
> We know, for example, that to cover the 12ly with an acceleration of
> g=10m/s², the rocket will take To= 12 years and 338 days.
> Everyone says the same, including me.

This is not true. Not everyone says this.

Competent people who know a little bit will ask, is this a proper
acceleration (that’s a jargon term you will need to learn), or is it the
acceleration as measured in some inertial reference frame (in which, say,
the Earth was at rest at the time of launch). Those are not the same thing
at all and the specification is ambiguous without it.

Missing such details is like asking where a baseball will land on a playing
field if it is given an initial speed of 100 ft/s. In this case, someone
competent in physics would ask, aren’t you missing a specification of what
angle the baseball was traveling initially? Unfortunately, you don’t yet
know enough about the questions I asked above to resolve it clearly.

> The speed will then be Vo=0.98076c
> I have the same result too.
>
> But is there an equation, giving, for each portion of the course, the
> relationship between To and Vo?
>
> Feel free to grab a cup of coffee if needed.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R.H.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:54 UTC

Le 30/03/2022 à 17:31, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
>> of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>> That is to say Vo (velocity of the measurable rocket in the terrestrial
>> frame of reference) as a function of To (terrestrial time).
>> We know, for example, that to cover the 12ly with an acceleration of
>> g=10m/s², the rocket will take To= 12 years and 338 days.
>> Everyone says the same, including me.
>
> This is not true.

:))

R.H.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:59 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Le 30/03/2022 à 17:31, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
>> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
>>> of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>>> That is to say Vo (velocity of the measurable rocket in the terrestrial
>>> frame of reference) as a function of To (terrestrial time).
>>> We know, for example, that to cover the 12ly with an acceleration of
>>> g=10m/s², the rocket will take To= 12 years and 338 days.
>>> Everyone says the same, including me.
>>
>> This is not true.
>
> :))
>
> R.H.
>

No, seriously. Read again what you snipped. It’s important.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 17:06 UTC

Richard Hachel wrote:

> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
> of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?

Yes.

PointedEars
--
Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy?
A: They get Bohr'ed.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 17:56 UTC

Le 05/04/2022 à 19:06, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a écrit :
> Richard Hachel wrote:
>
>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
>> of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> PointedEars

I will give the two corresponding equations presently.

R.H.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:03 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Le 05/04/2022 à 19:06, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a écrit :
>> Richard Hachel wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
>>> of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>
> I will give the two corresponding equations presently.
>
> R.H.
>

Richard, regardless of your bait to find a excuse to trot out your own
equations, please understand that the existing equations are both accurate
and obvious to those who have studied relativity.

The fact that you don’t find the physicists’ equation obvious or worse,
that you find them not your own, is not particularly of interest to either
physicists or this audience.

So if you put them out here, nobody is going to say, “Wow, we’ve been so
confused up until now, and this clears it all up.”

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Richard Hachel - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:09 UTC

Le 05/04/2022 à 20:03, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
> Richard, regardless of your bait to find a excuse to trot out your own
> equations, please understand that the existing equations are both accurate
> and obvious to those who have studied relativity.
>
> The fact that you don’t find the physicists’ equation obvious or worse,
> that you find them not your own, is not particularly of interest to either
> physicists or this audience.
>
> So if you put them out here, nobody is going to say, “Wow, we’ve been so
> confused up until now, and this clears it all up.”

Maybe you're right.

But I will give them anyway.

For their beauty.

Afterwards, you can always do as the Arabs do in front of the beauty of a
naked woman, put your hands in front of your eyes...

...by spreading your fingers.

I know all that.

I am not only a good scientist and an outstanding theologian, I also have
a good knowledge of the human mind.

R.H.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:15 UTC

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>> Le 05/04/2022 à 19:06, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a écrit :
>>> Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a function
>>>> of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>> PointedEars
>>
>> I will give the two corresponding equations presently.
>>
>> R.H.
>>
>
> Richard, regardless of your bait to find a excuse to trot out your own
> equations, please understand that the existing equations are both accurate
> and obvious to those who have studied relativity.
>
> The fact that you don’t find the physicists’ equation obvious or worse,
> that you find them not your own, is not particularly of interest to either
> physicists or this audience.
>
> So if you put them out here, nobody is going to say, “Wow, we’ve been so
> confused up until now, and this clears it all up.”
>

In fact, Richard, let’s just be explicit about the delusional thinking that
you labor under.

Hachel: “Do you have equations for the velocity of the rocket vs. Earth
time in the Tau Ceti example?”

Physics: “Yes, of course.”

Hachel: “And I know what they are, and I am familiar with them. But I have
my own.”

Physics: “But nobody will care.”

Hachel: “But they are beautiful, at least to me, and since I am an
exquisite judge of beauty, they should be beautiful to you as well.”

Physics: “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Your equations bring no
additional value.”

Hachel: “Of course they do. They are easier to understand than your
equations. Your equations have no semantic content and are confusing.”

Physics: “No, they are not confusing to us. They’re in fact fairly
straightforward.”

Hachel: “But that is impossible, because they are confusing to me.”

Physics: “They may be confusing to you, but they are not confusing to
people who study physics.”

Hachel: “You are lying. If you claim that something confusing is not
confusing at all, then this is a lie.”

Physics: “They may be confusing TO YOU, but they are not confusing to
people who study physics.”

Hachel: “But that would make me stupid, and I am not stupid, and it is
unjust of you to call me stupid.”

Physics: “Nobody called you stupid. But on the other hand, you do not study
physics from textbooks.”

Hachel: “And rightfully so, because your textbooks are tainted and
religious scriptures.”

Physics: “This is a claim you should not make, since you have not read
them.”

Hachel: [long string of French to terminate the discussion]

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:25 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Le 05/04/2022 à 20:03, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
>> Richard, regardless of your bait to find a excuse to trot out your own
>> equations, please understand that the existing equations are both accurate
>> and obvious to those who have studied relativity.
>>
>> The fact that you don’t find the physicists’ equation obvious or worse,
>> that you find them not your own, is not particularly of interest to either
>> physicists or this audience.
>>
>> So if you put them out here, nobody is going to say, “Wow, we’ve been so
>> confused up until now, and this clears it all up.”
>
> Maybe you're right.
>
> But I will give them anyway.
>
> For their beauty.
>
> Afterwards, you can always do as the Arabs do in front of the beauty of a
> naked woman, put your hands in front of your eyes...
>
> ..by spreading your fingers.
>
> I know all that.
>
> I am not only a good scientist and an outstanding theologian, I also have
> a good knowledge of the human mind.
>
> R.H.
>

Richard, you cannot be a good physicist without studying textbooks on
physics. I’m sorry, but to claim that you do not need that is purely
delusional thinking.

There is not one single soul who ever made a sizable contribution to
fundamental physics after never bothering to study physics textbooks. Not
one.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Richard Hachel wrote:

> Le 05/04/2022 à 19:06, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a écrit :
>> Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a
>>> function of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> I will give the two corresponding equations presently.

Nobody asked for it.

And there is only one: v = Δx⃗/Δτ.

PointedEars
--
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
testing your knowledge means everything.”
—Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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Richard Hachel wrote:

> Le 05/04/2022 à 19:06, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a écrit :
>> Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a
>>> function of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>> Yes.
>
> I will give the two corresponding equations presently.

Nobody asked for it.

And there is only one: v⃗ = dx⃗/dτ.

PointedEars
--
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
testing your knowledge means everything.”
—Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 22:28 UTC

Le 06/04/2022 à 00:04, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a écrit :
> Richard Hachel wrote:
>
>> Le 05/04/2022 à 19:06, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a écrit :
>>> Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a
>>>> function of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>>> Yes.
>>
>> I will give the two corresponding equations presently.
>
> Nobody asked for it.
>
> And there is only one: v⃗ = dx⃗/dτ.
>
>
> PointedEars

I will post a dozen equations dealing with acceleration in special
relativity.

R.H.

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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Richard Hachel wrote:
>
>> Is there a DIRECT equation giving the velocity of the rocket as a
>> function of earth time during the Tau Ceti problem?
>
> Yes.

Ohh my, this seems to e true. Now the russians, the russian people, are becoming really mad. Angry serioja.

Total News Blackout: US General Captured Leading Azov Nazis in Mariupol (confirmations coming in)
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/blockbuster-us-3-star-general-captured-leading-azov-nazis-in-mariupol-unconfirmed/

Our sources on the ground report that the last two helicopters trying to evacuate foreign VIPs from Mariupol were shot down this morning. They were sent on a suicide mission to collect Lt.General Coultier, who was, we are told, hiding in a huge industrial complex with some Special Forces staffers and about 30 Ukrainian Army, not Azov, soldiers. This hours old story from Tass is below.

From KP.Ru:

On the morning of April 5, another attempt by the Kiev regime to evacuate the leaders of the Azov nationalist battalion and “others” was thwarted near Mariupol. Two Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopters, which tried to break through to the city from the sea, were shot down from man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems, Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said at a briefing.

Note that this is the third attempt by Kyiv to pull its war criminals from the crime scene. But it ended the same as the previous ones: the helicopters did not reach Mariupol.

Читайте на WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27375/4568448/

Reports from our friends in the Pentagon say “something’s up” and panic has set in at the White House. Minutes ago, the general showed up on his Linkdin account and we are told that the ranks of retirees and crisis actors (yes they exist) are being scoured for fat bald types that can be green-screened into a show and tell with Zelensky, believed to be hiding in Poland.

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 by: Python - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 21:48 UTC

Richard "Hachel" Lengrand (M.D) wrote:
> [snip bs]
> I know all that.
>
> I am not only a good scientist and an outstanding theologian, I also
> have a good knowledge of the human mind.

You are not a scientist, let alone a good one. Theology is basically
meaningless, but you're bad at it also. And you are one of the worst
human being anyone could meet: liar, hypocrite and dumb, with pride
(which is a sin). You're bad at everything Richard. As a M.D. you
are definitely a danger for your patients.

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On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 23:48:22 UTC+2, Python wrote:
> Richard "Hachel" Lengrand (M.D) wrote:
> > [snip bs]
> > I know all that.
> >
> > I am not only a good scientist and an outstanding theologian, I also
> > have a good knowledge of the human mind.
> You are not a scientist, let alone a good one. Theology is basically

Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
and trying to pretend a wise one.
Tell me, poor stinker, what is your definition of
a "theory" in the terms of Peano arithmetic?
See: if a theorem is going to be a part of a theory,
it has to be formulable in the language of the
theory. Do you get it? Or are you too stupid even for
that, poor stinker?

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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hachel <r.ha...@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> > Le 05/04/2022 à 20:03, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
> >> Richard, regardless of your bait to find a excuse to trot out your own
> >> equations, please understand that the existing equations are both accurate
> >> and obvious to those who have studied relativity.
> >>
> >> The fact that you don’t find the physicists’ equation obvious or worse,
> >> that you find them not your own, is not particularly of interest to either
> >> physicists or this audience.
> >>
> >> So if you put them out here, nobody is going to say, “Wow, we’ve been so
> >> confused up until now, and this clears it all up.”
> >
> > Maybe you're right.
> >
> > But I will give them anyway.
> >
> > For their beauty.
> >
> > Afterwards, you can always do as the Arabs do in front of the beauty of a
> > naked woman, put your hands in front of your eyes...
> >
> > ..by spreading your fingers.
> >
> > I know all that.
> >
> > I am not only a good scientist and an outstanding theologian, I also have
> > a good knowledge of the human mind.
> >
> > R.H.
> >
> Richard, you cannot be a good physicist without studying textbooks on
> physics. I’m sorry, but to claim that you do not need that is purely
> delusional thinking.
>
> There is not one single soul who ever made a sizable contribution to
> fundamental physics after never bothering to study physics textbooks. Not
> one.

Goes for all fields requiring competence. So even Beethoven had a teacher
(Antonio Salieri among others) and Scott Joplin studied Bach.

--
Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 7 Apr 2022 09:11 UTC

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 10:29:15 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Richard Hachel <r.ha...@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> > > Le 05/04/2022 à 20:03, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
> > >> Richard, regardless of your bait to find a excuse to trot out your own
> > >> equations, please understand that the existing equations are both accurate
> > >> and obvious to those who have studied relativity.
> > >>
> > >> The fact that you don’t find the physicists’ equation obvious or worse,
> > >> that you find them not your own, is not particularly of interest to either
> > >> physicists or this audience.
> > >>
> > >> So if you put them out here, nobody is going to say, “Wow, we’ve been so
> > >> confused up until now, and this clears it all up.”
> > >
> > > Maybe you're right.
> > >
> > > But I will give them anyway.
> > >
> > > For their beauty.
> > >
> > > Afterwards, you can always do as the Arabs do in front of the beauty of a
> > > naked woman, put your hands in front of your eyes...
> > >
> > > ..by spreading your fingers.
> > >
> > > I know all that.
> > >
> > > I am not only a good scientist and an outstanding theologian, I also have
> > > a good knowledge of the human mind.
> > >
> > > R.H.
> > >
> > Richard, you cannot be a good physicist without studying textbooks on
> > physics. I’m sorry, but to claim that you do not need that is purely
> > delusional thinking.
> >
> > There is not one single soul who ever made a sizable contribution to
> > fundamental physics after never bothering to study physics textbooks. Not
> > one.
> Goes for all fields requiring competence. So even Beethoven had a teacher

It takes a lot of studies to realize that syntax shmyntax, indeed.
Or that we all are FORCED!!! To THE BEST WAY!!!

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JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hachel <r.ha...@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 05/04/2022 à 20:03, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
>>>> Richard, regardless of your bait to find a excuse to trot out your own
>>>> equations, please understand that the existing equations are both accurate
>>>> and obvious to those who have studied relativity.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you don’t find the physicists’ equation obvious or worse,
>>>> that you find them not your own, is not particularly of interest to either
>>>> physicists or this audience.
>>>>
>>>> So if you put them out here, nobody is going to say, “Wow, we’ve been so
>>>> confused up until now, and this clears it all up.”
>>>
>>> Maybe you're right.
>>>
>>> But I will give them anyway.
>>>
>>> For their beauty.
>>>
>>> Afterwards, you can always do as the Arabs do in front of the beauty of a
>>> naked woman, put your hands in front of your eyes...
>>>
>>> ..by spreading your fingers.
>>>
>>> I know all that.
>>>
>>> I am not only a good scientist and an outstanding theologian, I also have
>>> a good knowledge of the human mind.
>>>
>>> R.H.
>>>
>> Richard, you cannot be a good physicist without studying textbooks on
>> physics. I’m sorry, but to claim that you do not need that is purely
>> delusional thinking.
>>
>> There is not one single soul who ever made a sizable contribution to
>> fundamental physics after never bothering to study physics textbooks. Not
>> one.
>
> Goes for all fields requiring competence. So even Beethoven had a teacher
> (Antonio Salieri among others) and Scott Joplin studied Bach.

Exactly. The prevailing delusion of cranks is that a working, rational mind
and a modicum of interest should be sufficient to dive into any subject.
It’s not true, but that’s what they’d like to be true.

>
> --
> Jan
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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JanPB wrote:

>> Richard, you cannot be a good physicist without studying textbooks on
>> physics. I’m sorry, but to claim that you do not need that is purely
>> delusional thinking.
>> There is not one single soul who ever made a sizable contribution to
>> fundamental physics after never bothering to study physics textbooks.
>> Not one.
>
> Goes for all fields requiring competence. So even Beethoven had a
> teacher (Antonio Salieri among others) and Scott Joplin studied Bach.

except Einstine, having none of the above. Now go find a wive and make
children.

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 by: whodat - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:23 UTC

On 4/13/2022 3:14 PM, Codi Hisamatsu wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
>>> Richard, you cannot be a good physicist without studying textbooks on
>>> physics. I’m sorry, but to claim that you do not need that is purely
>>> delusional thinking.
>>> There is not one single soul who ever made a sizable contribution to
>>> fundamental physics after never bothering to study physics textbooks.
>>> Not one.
>>
>> Goes for all fields requiring competence. So even Beethoven had a
>> teacher (Antonio Salieri among others) and Scott Joplin studied Bach.
>
> except Einstine, having none of the above. Now go find a wive and make
> children.

Nonsense. Einstein had the full university experience complete through
a Doctorate program.

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=einstein%27s+education>

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 by: Codi Hisamatsu - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:28 UTC

whodat wrote:

>>> Goes for all fields requiring competence. So even Beethoven had a
>>> teacher (Antonio Salieri among others) and Scott Joplin studied Bach.
>>
>> except Einstine, having none of the above. Now go find a wive and make
>> children.
>
> Nonsense. Einstein had the full university experience complete through a
> Doctorate program.

You are the first one I hear to say Einstine had a "full" 3 years PhD
university program. I thought that "doctorate" was honorific.

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 by: whodat - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 03:46 UTC

On 4/13/2022 4:28 PM, Codi Hisamatsu wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>
>>>> Goes for all fields requiring competence. So even Beethoven had a
>>>> teacher (Antonio Salieri among others) and Scott Joplin studied Bach.
>>>
>>> except Einstine, having none of the above. Now go find a wive and make
>>> children.
>>
>> Nonsense. Einstein had the full university experience complete through a
>> Doctorate program.
>
> You are the first one I hear to say Einstine had a "full" 3 years PhD
> university program. I thought that "doctorate" was honorific.

According to the "Einstein Encyclopedia" published by his estate on page
30 it states, "University of Zurich (doctoral work) fall 1900-summer
1905 doctorate conferred, January 1906. Subsequently at the University
of Bern he completed a post doctoral thesis required to demonstrate he
could teach at the university level and conduct independent high level
research and he was required (true in many European countries) to
provide an "inaugural lecture" as part of his proof.

If you look at his life history you will discover that he had a lot of
balls in the air during almost every stage of his life so it took a
little longer for him to complete his formal education. But job offers
were frequent once he completed his education.

Personally I see Einstein as neither saint or sinner, but he achieved
what is known today as historical fact and deserves credit for all he
achieved.

If you are interested the book mentioned above is sometimes available
inexpensively, but you probably have to keep looking. I got lucky.

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