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* Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia, Lambasts the Talk Pagepatdolan
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 by: patdolan - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 01:10 UTC

On Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python "hold court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is ultimately published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a neutral platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for an end to Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I spoke with last weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for Wikipedia to go. Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on presidential sons Hunter and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to Wikipedia in years and I encourage you all to do the same.

The author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on his own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.

Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in special relativity so far in the 21st century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid=1021612808#Contraction_velocity

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 01:48 UTC

patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become
> a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python "hold
> court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is ultimately
> published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a neutral
> platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for an end to
> Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I spoke with last
> weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for Wikipedia to go.
> Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on presidential sons Hunter
> and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to Wikipedia in years and I
> encourage you all to do the same.
>
> The author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on
> his own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.
>
> Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the
> conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated
> to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in special
> relativity so far in the 21st century:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid21612808#Contraction_velocity
>
>
>

So write a blog.

--
Odd Bodkin β€” Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 13:18 UTC

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become
>> a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python "hold
>> court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is ultimately
>> published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a neutral
>> platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for an end to
>> Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I spoke with last
>> weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for Wikipedia to go.
>> Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on presidential sons Hunter
>> and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to Wikipedia in years and I
>> encourage you all to do the same.
>>
>> The author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on
>> his own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.
>>
>> Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the
>> conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated
>> to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in special
>> relativity so far in the 21st century:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid21612808#Contraction_velocity
>>
>>
>>
>
> So write a blog.
>

Oh I get it. You want complete and unmoderated freedom of expression AND a
captive audience. Aha.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: Dirk Van de moortel - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 18:02 UTC

Op 31-mrt.-2022 om 03:10 schreef patdolan:
> On Tucker tonight Sanger explained

Tucker trump Carlson gave Sanger a forum to vent his
frustration over his disastrous failure with Citizendium?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dirk Vdm

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 by: Prokaryotic Capase H - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 23:01 UTC

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 8:10:49 PM UTC-5, patdolan wrote:
> On Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python "hold court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is ultimately published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a neutral platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for an end to Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I spoke with last weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for Wikipedia to go. Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on presidential sons Hunter and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to Wikipedia in years and I encourage you all to do the same.
>
> The author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on his own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.
>
> Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in special relativity so far in the 21st century:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid=1021612808#Contraction_velocity

It is in the nature of a democracy that you don't always get what you want.

I have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia. Most of the time, my contributions are appreciated. On the other hand, there are times when my contributions have not been accepted. That's just the nature of the way consensus works. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of consensus.

Face it, Pat. The consensus is that your "discoveries" are worthless.

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:01:39 PM UTC-7, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 8:10:49 PM UTC-5, patdolan wrote:
> > On Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python "hold court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is ultimately published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a neutral platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for an end to Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I spoke with last weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for Wikipedia to go. Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on presidential sons Hunter and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to Wikipedia in years and I encourage you all to do the same.
> >
> > The author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on his own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.
> >
> > Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in special relativity so far in the 21st century:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid=1021612808#Contraction_velocity
> It is in the nature of a democracy that you don't always get what you want.
>
> I have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia. Most of the time, my contributions are appreciated. On the other hand, there are times when my contributions have not been accepted. That's just the nature of the way consensus works. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of consensus.
>
> Face it, Pat. The consensus is that your "discoveries" are worthless.

Prokary, how can the greatest contribution to SR so far this century be worthless?? Certainly a man of your qualities and erudition can appreciate the fantastic results I have derived. Please convey this to the Wiki guard dogs.

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 by: Prokaryotic Capase H - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 01:57 UTC

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:18:51 PM UTC-5, patdolan wrote:

> > It is in the nature of a democracy that you don't always get what you want.
> >
> > I have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia. Most of the time, my contributions are appreciated. On the other hand, there are times when my contributions have not been accepted. That's just the nature of the way consensus works. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of consensus.
> >
> > Face it, Pat. The consensus is that your "discoveries" are worthless.
> Prokary, how can the greatest contribution to SR so far this century be worthless?? Certainly a man of your qualities and erudition can appreciate the fantastic results I have derived. Please convey this to the Wiki guard dogs.

You are not in a position to judge your own work.

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 by: patdolan - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 02:06 UTC

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-7, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:18:51 PM UTC-5, patdolan wrote:
>
> > > It is in the nature of a democracy that you don't always get what you want.
> > >
> > > I have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia. Most of the time, my contributions are appreciated. On the other hand, there are times when my contributions have not been accepted. That's just the nature of the way consensus works. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of consensus.
> > >
> > > Face it, Pat. The consensus is that your "discoveries" are worthless.
> > Prokary, how can the greatest contribution to SR so far this century be worthless?? Certainly a man of your qualities and erudition can appreciate the fantastic results I have derived. Please convey this to the Wiki guard dogs.
> You are not in a position to judge your own work.

Posterity will judge my work, Python. And most favorably.

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On 2022-04-02 01:18:50 +0000, patdolan said:

> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:01:39 PM UTC-7, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 8:10:49 PM UTC-5, patdolan wrote:> > On
>> Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become
>> a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python
>> "hold court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is
>> ultimately published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a
>> neutral platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for
>> an end to Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I
>> spoke with last weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for
>> Wikipedia to go. Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on
>> presidential sons Hunter and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to
>> Wikipedia in years and I encourage you all to do the same.> >> > The
>> author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on his
>> own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.> >> >
>> Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the
>> conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated
>> to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in
>> special relativity so far in the 21st century:> >> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid=1021612808#Contraction_velocity
>>
>> It is in the nature of a democracy that you don't always get what you
>> want.>> I have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia. Most of the
>> time, my contributions are appreciated. On the other hand, there are
>> times when my contributions have not been accepted. That's just the
>> nature of the way consensus works. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of
>> consensus.>> Face it, Pat. The consensus is that your "discoveries" are
>> worthless.
>
> Prokary, how can the greatest contribution to SR so far this century

That's your opinion of your own contribution. Does anyone share it? Do
even the nutters in this group share it? Which ones?

> be worthless?? Certainly a man of your qualities and erudition can
> appreciate the fantastic results I have derived. Please convey this to
> the Wiki guard dogs.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> wrote:

> Op 31-mrt.-2022 om 03:10 schreef patdolan:
> > On Tucker tonight Sanger explained
>
>
> Tucker trump Carlson gave Sanger a forum to vent his
> frustration over his disastrous failure with Citizendium?

Wikipedia is not exempt from 'Michel's iron law of oligarchy',
by Wikipedia.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy#Wikipedia>
quoting
<https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.01725>

This is not necessarily a bad thing,
as long as the 'oligarchy' is numbered in the tens of thousands,

Jan

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patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 6:57:27 PM UTC-7, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:18:51 PM UTC-5, patdolan wrote:
>>
>>>> It is in the nature of a democracy that you don't always get what you want.
>>>>
>>>> I have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia. Most of the time, my
>>>> contributions are appreciated. On the other hand, there are times when
>>>> my contributions have not been accepted. That's just the nature of the
>>>> way consensus works. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of consensus.
>>>>
>>>> Face it, Pat. The consensus is that your "discoveries" are worthless.
>>> Prokary, how can the greatest contribution to SR so far this century be
>>> worthless?? Certainly a man of your qualities and erudition can
>>> appreciate the fantastic results I have derived. Please convey this to
>>> the Wiki guard dogs.
>> You are not in a position to judge your own work.
>
> Posterity will judge my work, Python. And most favorably.
>

If you hold your nose when you do that, you can puff up even more.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: patdolan - Sat, 2 Apr 2022 16:13 UTC

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 5:14:18 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvand...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Op 31-mrt.-2022 om 03:10 schreef patdolan:
> > > On Tucker tonight Sanger explained
> >
> >
> > Tucker trump Carlson gave Sanger a forum to vent his
> > frustration over his disastrous failure with Citizendium?
> Wikipedia is not exempt from 'Michel's iron law of oligarchy',
> by Wikipedia.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy#Wikipedia>
> quoting
> <https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.01725>
>
> This is not necessarily a bad thing,
> as long as the 'oligarchy' is numbered in the tens of thousands,
>
> Jan

Jan, I agree that oligarchy is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as there are mechanisms in place to peacefully change out one oligarchy for another, as we are about to do in the United States.

China is an example of a modern industrialized oligarchy of at least tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions. I contend that China is not working well for its prolets (ask any Uyghur) because it does not has such a mechanism. Russia is another. Wikipedia is yet another. D^3! (Down with Dirty Dirk!)

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On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 3:06:40 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-04-02 01:18:50 +0000, patdolan said:
>
> > On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:01:39 PM UTC-7, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 8:10:49 PM UTC-5, patdolan wrote:> > On
> >> Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become
> >> a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python
> >> "hold court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is
> >> ultimately published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a
> >> neutral platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for
> >> an end to Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I
> >> spoke with last weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for
> >> Wikipedia to go. Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on
> >> presidential sons Hunter and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to
> >> Wikipedia in years and I encourage you all to do the same.> >> > The
> >> author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on his
> >> own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.> >> >
> >> Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the
> >> conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated
> >> to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in
> >> special relativity so far in the 21st century:> >> >
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid=1021612808#Contraction_velocity
> >>
> >> It is in the nature of a democracy that you don't always get what you
> >> want.>> I have contributed a fair amount to Wikipedia. Most of the
> >> time, my contributions are appreciated. On the other hand, there are
> >> times when my contributions have not been accepted. That's just the
> >> nature of the way consensus works. Sometimes you're on the wrong end of
> >> consensus.>> Face it, Pat. The consensus is that your "discoveries" are
> >> worthless.
> >
> > Prokary, how can the greatest contribution to SR so far this century
> That's your opinion of your own contribution. Does anyone share it? Do
> even the nutters in this group share it? Which ones?
> > be worthless?? Certainly a man of your qualities and erudition can
> > appreciate the fantastic results I have derived. Please convey this to
> > the Wiki guard dogs.
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

Prokary hasn't published in a peer reviewed journal like Physical Review. I'm sure he has an appropriate conspiracy theory for why physicists don't appreciate his mighty work. But anyway, publication is the way to get work into Wikipedia, which is a tertiary source (it prefers not primary publications, but reviews of THEM).

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On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 6:10:49 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Tucker tonight Sanger explained how the Wikipedia talk page has become a place where the grizzled & vicious old hands like Dirk and Python "hold court" and "exercise authoritarian control" over what is ultimately published on Wikipedia. Sanger says Wikipedia is no longer a neutral platform and has been taken over by wokeism. Tucker called for an end to Wikipedia. Interestingly, an information PhD candidate I spoke with last weekend also believed (is being taught) it's time for Wikipedia to go. Don't believe me? Compare the Wiki articles on presidential sons Hunter and Don Jr. I haven't given a damned dime to Wikipedia in years and I encourage you all to do the same.
>
> The author has personally felt the jack boot of talk page authority on his own neck. Once by "head bomb" and another time by dirty Dirk.
>
> Head Bomb blocked the author's independent, stand alone article on the conflict between Einstein's 1st and Kepler's 3rd. Whilst Dirk arrogated to hizself the authority to suppress the single greatest work in special relativity so far in the 21st century:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Length_contraction&oldid=1021612808#Contraction_velocity

I use Wikipedia almost exclusively for science content but I wouldn't be surprised
if this was true. Both the traditional news media and many Internet platforms
(Twitter and Facebook most obviously) have become activists, not platforms.

It will be interesting to see if Elon Musk does something with Twitter (he has just
become the majority stock owner). Also interesting to see (if they open their
internal archives) whose decision it was to suppress in 2020 all the reporting on
Hunter Biden's laptop. My guess is it must have been Jack Dorsey himself, under
a VERY strong political pressure from the DNC, along the Godfather lines. That's
probably why Jack twitted a mea-culpa yesterday, he (or his lawyer rather) is
likely preparing for a bit of stormy weather ahead.

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On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:13:40 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 5:14:18 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvand...@notmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Op 31-mrt.-2022 om 03:10 schreef patdolan:
> > > > On Tucker tonight Sanger explained
> > >
> > >
> > > Tucker trump Carlson gave Sanger a forum to vent his
> > > frustration over his disastrous failure with Citizendium?
> > Wikipedia is not exempt from 'Michel's iron law of oligarchy',
> > by Wikipedia.
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy#Wikipedia>
> > quoting
> > <https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.01725>
> >
> > This is not necessarily a bad thing,
> > as long as the 'oligarchy' is numbered in the tens of thousands,
> >
> > Jan
> Jan, I agree that oligarchy is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as there are mechanisms in place to peacefully change out one oligarchy for another, as we are about to do in the United States.
>
> China is an example of a modern industrialized oligarchy of at least tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions. I contend that China is not working well for its prolets (ask any Uyghur) because it does not has such a mechanism. Russia is another. Wikipedia is yet another. D^3! (Down with Dirty Dirk!)

Russia is a dictatorship, not oligarchy though (oligarchs who disagree with Putin end up
either in prison or in exile, and sometimes poisoned).

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On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 5:45:23 PM UTC-5, sbha...@gmail.com wrote:

> Prokary hasn't published in a peer reviewed journal like Physical Review. I'm sure he has an appropriate conspiracy theory for why physicists don't appreciate his mighty work. But anyway, publication is the way to get work into Wikipedia, which is a tertiary source (it prefers not primary publications, but reviews of THEM).

Back when I was in science, I published in peer reviewed journals,
but not in physics. The journals included Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences with a current impact factor of 11.2 versus 9.16
for Physical Review Letters. A 1984 paper of mine was published in
a journal with a current impact factor in the 40's range. And yes,
references to some of my work shows up in Wikipedia.

No conspiracy, but physicists couldn't care less about my work. :-)

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patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 5:14:18 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvand...@notmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Op 31-mrt.-2022 om 03:10 schreef patdolan:
> > > > On Tucker tonight Sanger explained
> > >
> > >
> > > Tucker trump Carlson gave Sanger a forum to vent his
> > > frustration over his disastrous failure with Citizendium?
> > Wikipedia is not exempt from 'Michel's iron law of oligarchy',
> > by Wikipedia.
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy#Wikipedia>
> > quoting
> > <https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.01725>
> >
> > This is not necessarily a bad thing,
> > as long as the 'oligarchy' is numbered in the tens of thousands,
> >
> > Jan
>
> Jan, I agree that oligarchy is not necessarily a bad thing,

An oligarchy in its early stages may not be too bad,
if it is also largely a meritocracy. (like at Wikipedia)
It goes bad when it degenerates into a closed nomenclatura,
and next into a tyranny.

> as long as
> there are mechanisms in place to peacefully change out one oligarchy for
> another, as we are about to do in the United States.
>
> China is an example of a modern industrialized oligarchy of at least tens
> of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions. I contend that
> China is not working well for its prolets (ask any Uyghur) because it does
> not has such a mechanism. Russia is another. Wikipedia is yet another.
> D^3! (Down with Dirty Dirk!)

Your political ideas are excessively naive.
Neither the USA, nor Russia, nor China
is properly described as an oligarchy.

But this is wildly off-topic for this forum,
so I won't elaborate,

Jan

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 by: Lamar Main - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 10:01 UTC

JanPB wrote:

> I use Wikipedia almost exclusively for science content but I wouldn't be
> surprised if this was true. Both the traditional news media and many
> Internet platforms (Twitter and Facebook most obviously) have become
> activists, not platforms.

Just you an idiot. Not even knowing that those wankers, Twitter and Facebook, censors proper posts and answers from genuine people, for more than 2 years now. You fucking nazi idiot.

Watch Kadyrov Address Mass Surrender of Unabused Ukrainian Marines (503rd Battalion)
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/04/watch-kadyrov-address-mass-surrender-of-unabused-ukrainian-marines-503rd-battalion/

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On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:02:01 AM UTC-7, Lamar Main wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
> > I use Wikipedia almost exclusively for science content but I wouldn't be
> > surprised if this was true. Both the traditional news media and many
> > Internet platforms (Twitter and Facebook most obviously) have become
> > activists, not platforms.
> Just you an idiot. Not even knowing that those wankers, Twitter and Facebook, censors proper posts and answers from genuine people, for more than 2 years now. You fucking nazi idiot.
>
> Watch Kadyrov Address Mass Surrender of Unabused Ukrainian Marines (503rd Battalion)
> https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/04/watch-kadyrov-address-mass-surrender-of-unabused-ukrainian-marines-503rd-battalion/

Was your post supposed to have a content?

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Jan

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 by: Harley Birce - Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:19 UTC

JanPB wrote:

>> Just you an idiot. Not even knowing that those wankers, Twitter and
>> Facebook, censors proper posts and answers from genuine people, for more
>> than 2 years now. You fucking nazi idiot.
>>
>> Watch Kadyrov Address Mass Surrender of Unabused Ukrainian Marines
>> (503rd Battalion)
>> https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/04/watch-kadyrov-address-mass-surrender-of-unabused-ukrainian-marines-503rd-battalion/
>
> Was your post supposed to have a content?

Hardly to a braindead idiot like you, but Russia twice asked to present
their evidence refuting the nazi, said masacre in Bucha. The
powers_that_be denied. Hence, the media and the pedophile western
politicians, wanting kill and hang russians based on a lie they
orchestrated, should be hanged for the same reason.

You can't publish accusations and indictments without verification,
minutes after the lies coming along, from the nazi khazar wanker
zelenske, proved a liar many times before.

πŸ”žUKRAINE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITYπŸ”ž
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JBIwqOutApll/

❌Zelenski "I AM NOT A SUCKER"❌
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Re: Larry Sanger, co-founder of Wikipedia, Lambasts the Talk Page

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 by: Jabe Jukado - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:44 UTC

JanPB wrote:

>> that China is not working well for its prolets (ask any Uyghur) because
>> it does not has such a mechanism. Russia is another. Wikipedia is yet
>> another. D^3! (Down with Dirty Dirk!)
>
> Russia is a dictatorship, not oligarchy though (oligarchs who disagree
> with Putin end up either in prison or in exile, and sometimes poisoned).

Up till yesterday, the EU and the entire Brussels, said Poland is a dictatorship. You idiot. You are a shame for the good Polish people.

New EU sanctions aimed at Russia, move Europe closer to collapse
https://youtu.be/3OfJMIG5Ft8

It stays actually in the Bible, that the _corruption_ and the _LGBTQ+_ only can be removed with _atomic_bombs_. So I don't know. I'm just guessing. It's the Russia against the entire western anglo-saxo world. So I don't know, but it's not good.

60,000 Nazi Troops Trapped in Kramatorsk, Fear they will Slaughter Local Population
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/60000-nazi-troops-trapped-in-kramatorsk-fear-they-will-slaughter-local-population/

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 by: JanPB - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:22 UTC

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:44:08 AM UTC-7, Jabe Jukado wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
> >> that China is not working well for its prolets (ask any Uyghur) because
> >> it does not has such a mechanism. Russia is another. Wikipedia is yet
> >> another. D^3! (Down with Dirty Dirk!)
> >
> > Russia is a dictatorship, not oligarchy though (oligarchs who disagree
> > with Putin end up either in prison or in exile, and sometimes poisoned).
> Up till yesterday, the EU and the entire Brussels, said Poland is a dictatorship. You idiot. You are a shame for the good Polish people.
>
> New EU sanctions aimed at Russia, move Europe closer to collapse
> https://youtu.be/3OfJMIG5Ft8
>
> It stays actually in the Bible, that the _corruption_ and the _LGBTQ+_ only can be removed with _atomic_bombs_. So I don't know. I'm just guessing. It's the Russia against the entire western anglo-saxo world. So I don't know, but it's not good.
>
> 60,000 Nazi Troops Trapped in Kramatorsk, Fear they will Slaughter Local Population
> https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/60000-nazi-troops-trapped-in-kramatorsk-fear-they-will-slaughter-local-population/

Why do you keep changing your name?

--
Jan

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 by: Jabe Jukado - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:29 UTC

JanPB wrote:

>> > Russia is a dictatorship, not oligarchy though (oligarchs who
>> > disagree with Putin end up either in prison or in exile, and
>> > sometimes poisoned).
>> Up till yesterday, the EU and the entire Brussels, said Poland is a
>> dictatorship. You idiot. You are a shame for the good Polish people.
>>
>> New EU sanctions aimed at Russia, move Europe closer to collapse
>> https://youtu.be/3OfJMIG5Ft8
>>
>> It stays actually in the Bible, that the _corruption_ and the _LGBTQ+_
>> only can be removed with _atomic_bombs_. So I don't know. I'm just
>> guessing. It's the Russia against the entire western anglo-saxo world.
>> So I don't know, but it's not good.
>>
>> 60,000 Nazi Troops Trapped in Kramatorsk, Fear they will Slaughter
>> Local Population
>> https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/60000-nazi-troops-trapped-in-
kramatorsk-fear-they-will-slaughter-local-population/
>
> Why do you keep changing your name?

No idea who you are, I just read you are accusing nations with
dictatorships. Which reveals a poorly hardwired brain.

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 by: JanPB - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:45 UTC

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 12:29:49 PM UTC-7, Jabe Jukado wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
> >> > Russia is a dictatorship, not oligarchy though (oligarchs who
> >> > disagree with Putin end up either in prison or in exile, and
> >> > sometimes poisoned).
> >> Up till yesterday, the EU and the entire Brussels, said Poland is a
> >> dictatorship. You idiot. You are a shame for the good Polish people.
> >>
> >> New EU sanctions aimed at Russia, move Europe closer to collapse
> >> https://youtu.be/3OfJMIG5Ft8
> >>
> >> It stays actually in the Bible, that the _corruption_ and the _LGBTQ+_
> >> only can be removed with _atomic_bombs_. So I don't know. I'm just
> >> guessing. It's the Russia against the entire western anglo-saxo world.
> >> So I don't know, but it's not good.
> >>
> >> 60,000 Nazi Troops Trapped in Kramatorsk, Fear they will Slaughter
> >> Local Population
> >> https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/60000-nazi-troops-trapped-in-
> kramatorsk-fear-they-will-slaughter-local-population/
> >
> > Why do you keep changing your name?
> No idea who you are, I just read you are accusing nations with
> dictatorships. Which reveals a poorly hardwired brain.

A piece of advice: post when you have something to say. For now
I bid you good bye.

--
Jan

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 by: Jabe Jukado - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 20:00 UTC

JanPB wrote:

>> >> Up till yesterday, the EU and the entire Brussels, said Poland is a
>> >> dictatorship. You idiot. You are a shame for the good Polish people.
>> >>
>> >> New EU sanctions aimed at Russia, move Europe closer to collapse
>> >> https://youtu.be/3OfJMIG5Ft8
>> >>
>> >> It stays actually in the Bible, that the _corruption_ and the
>> >> _LGBTQ+_
>> >> only can be removed with _atomic_bombs_. So I don't know. I'm just
>> >> guessing. It's the Russia against the entire western anglo-saxo
>> >> world.
>> >> So I don't know, but it's not good.
>> >>
>> >> 60,000 Nazi Troops Trapped in Kramatorsk, Fear they will Slaughter
>> >> Local Population
>> >> https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/60000-nazi-troops-trapped-
in-
>> kramatorsk-fear-they-will-slaughter-local-population/
>> >
>> > Why do you keep changing your name?
>> No idea who you are, I just read you are accusing nations with
>> dictatorships. Which reveals a poorly hardwired brain.
>
> A piece of advice: post when you have something to say. For now I bid
> you good bye.

Why asking for "something to say" when you don't understand shit? Go back
and read, the EU says Poland and Hungary are dictatorships. Go. Now.

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