As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
the woman’s category.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709

Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.

Roger Merriman

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
> the woman’s category.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>
> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>
> Roger Merriman

It is long past time that they did this.

On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over the line, people are already gone.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>> the woman’s category.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>>
>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> It is long past time that they did this.
>
> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
> the line, people are already gone.
>

Can’t say I’ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that’s
particularly gendered.

Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
particularly older folks with real ales.

Roger Merriman

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>>> the woman’s category.
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>>>
>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> It is long past time that they did this.
>>
>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
>> the line, people are already gone.
>>
>
>Can’t say I’ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that’s
>particularly gendered.
>
>Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
>particularly older folks with real ales.
>
>Roger Merriman

It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
presenter. Sales fell 23%.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:25:28 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>>>> the woman’s category.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>>>>
>>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> It is long past time that they did this.
>>>
>>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
>>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
>>> the line, people are already gone.
>>>
>>
>>Can’t say I’ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that’s
>>particularly gendered.
>>
>>Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
>>particularly older folks with real ales.
>>
>>Roger Merriman
>
>It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
>with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
>presenter. Sales fell 23%.

Fits right in.... I *always* considered all "light" beers to be for
women and sissies.

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:51:13 AM UTC+2, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:25:28 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
> >>>> the woman’s category.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
> >>>>
> >>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>
> >>> It is long past time that they did this.
> >>>
> >>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
> >>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
> >>> the line, people are already gone.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Can’t say I’ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that’s
> >>particularly gendered.
> >>
> >>Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
> >>particularly older folks with real ales.
> >>
> >>Roger Merriman
> >
> >It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
> >with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
> >presenter. Sales fell 23%.
> Fits right in.... I *always* considered all "light" beers to be for
> women and sissies.

Geezzz, you also fit a certain stereotype. Don't be flattered by that.

Lou

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 12:12:10 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51 PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
> > the woman’s category.
> >
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
> >
> > Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> It is long past time that they did this.
>

Fuzz about nothing imo.

> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over the line, people are already gone.

Yes, that is one of the big problems we are facing now.

Lou

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>>>> the woman’s category.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>>>>
>>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> It is long past time that they did this.
>>>
>>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
>>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
>>> the line, people are already gone.
>>>
>>
>> Can’t say I’ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that’s
>> particularly gendered.
>>
>> Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
>> particularly older folks with real ales.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
> with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
> presenter. Sales fell 23%.

Oh her, can’t say she is on my radar or even Bud light. I used to drink
Budweiser years back though are nicer larger from memory, I don’t drink at
all now as is common it makes me unwell In even trace amounts now!

Roger Merriman

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 03:31:02 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:51:13?AM UTC+2, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:25:28 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>> >>>> the woman’s category.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Roger Merriman
>> >>>
>> >>> It is long past time that they did this.
>> >>>
>> >>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
>> >>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
>> >>> the line, people are already gone.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Can’t say I’ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that’s
>> >>particularly gendered.
>> >>
>> >>Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
>> >>particularly older folks with real ales.
>> >>
>> >>Roger Merriman
>> >
>> >It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
>> >with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
>> >presenter. Sales fell 23%.
>> Fits right in.... I *always* considered all "light" beers to be for
>> women and sissies.
>
>
>Geezzz, you also fit a certain stereotype. Don't be flattered by that.
>
>Lou

Well, of course, I do. I'm not either flattered or ashamed. Doesn't
everybody fit a certain stereotype?

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:41:05 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>>>>> the woman?s category.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>>>>>
>>>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>
>>>> It is long past time that they did this.
>>>>
>>>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
>>>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
>>>> the line, people are already gone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can?t say I?ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that?s
>>> particularly gendered.
>>>
>>> Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
>>> particularly older folks with real ales.
>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
>> with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
>> presenter. Sales fell 23%.
>
>Oh her, can’t say she is on my radar or even Bud light. I used to drink
>Budweiser years back though are nicer larger from memory, I don’t drink at
>all now as is common it makes me unwell In even trace amounts now!
>
>Roger Merriman

I woke up one Sunday morning after a "company party" feeling as though
I'd have to get better to die and realized that I had been to supper
with a bunch of people I wouldn't normally walk across the street to
meet, I'd had a lousy meal, and I'd drank a lot of booze that I really
didn't want. And I Thought "I'm not going to drink any more", and
haven't had a drink in 25 years :-) And, I don't miss it a bit.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 6:31:04 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:51:13 AM UTC+2, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:25:28 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> > >>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
> > >>>> the woman’s category.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Roger Merriman
> > >>>
> > >>> It is long past time that they did this.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
> > >>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
> > >>> the line, people are already gone.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>Can’t say I’ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that’s
> > >>particularly gendered.
> > >>
> > >>Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
> > >>particularly older folks with real ales.
> > >>
> > >>Roger Merriman
> > >
> > >It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
> > >with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
> > >presenter. Sales fell 23%.
> > Fits right in.... I *always* considered all "light" beers to be for
> > women and sissies.
> Geezzz, you also fit a certain stereotype. Don't be flattered by that.
>
> Lou

+1

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:41:05 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>>>>>> the woman?s category.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> It is long past time that they did this.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
>>>>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
>>>>> the line, people are already gone.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can?t say I?ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that?s
>>>> particularly gendered.
>>>>
>>>> Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
>>>> particularly older folks with real ales.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
>>> with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
>>> presenter. Sales fell 23%.
>>
>> Oh her, can’t say she is on my radar or even Bud light. I used to drink
>> Budweiser years back though are nicer larger from memory, I don’t drink at
>> all now as is common it makes me unwell In even trace amounts now!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> I woke up one Sunday morning after a "company party" feeling as though
> I'd have to get better to die and realized that I had been to supper
> with a bunch of people I wouldn't normally walk across the street to
> meet, I'd had a lousy meal, and I'd drank a lot of booze that I really
> didn't want. And I Thought "I'm not going to drink any more", and
> haven't had a drink in 25 years :-) And, I don't miss it a bit.

Can’t say I miss booze, a lifetime away and all that!

Roger Merriman

On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 17:09:16 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Can’t say I miss booze, a lifetime away and all that!

I can't drink beer because I have an allergy to something in the beer:
<https://health.clevelandclinic.org/are-hidden-ingredients-in-your-beer-making-you-sick/>
The symptoms are mild and not life threatening. Mostly, I get a runny
nose, a little nausea and a drop in blood pressure, which makes me
dizzy and sleepy. For me, beer is not on the menu.

While in college, I was an unofficial designated driver. I would
drive my car full of rowdy students to the local pizza parlor, and
return later with a load of drunks. The difficult part was getting
them to clean up after vomiting on the back seat.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:09:19 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:
> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:41:05 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> >>>>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
> >>>>>> the woman?s category.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is long past time that they did this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
> >>>>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
> >>>>> the line, people are already gone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Can?t say I?ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that?s
> >>>> particularly gendered.
> >>>>
> >>>> Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
> >>>> particularly older folks with real ales.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Merriman
> >>>
> >>> It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
> >>> with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
> >>> presenter. Sales fell 23%.
> >>
> >> Oh her, can’t say she is on my radar or even Bud light. I used to drink
> >> Budweiser years back though are nicer larger from memory, I don’t drink at
> >> all now as is common it makes me unwell In even trace amounts now!
> >>
> >> Roger Merriman
> >
> > I woke up one Sunday morning after a "company party" feeling as though
> > I'd have to get better to die and realized that I had been to supper
> > with a bunch of people I wouldn't normally walk across the street to
> > meet, I'd had a lousy meal, and I'd drank a lot of booze that I really
> > didn't want. And I Thought "I'm not going to drink any more", and
> > haven't had a drink in 25 years :-) And, I don't miss it a bit.
> Can’t say I miss booze, a lifetime away and all that!
>
> Roger Merriman

I occasionally drink a beer. Never just at home. Never started this wine nonsense. I like coffee.

Lou

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 17:09:16 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Can’t say I miss booze, a lifetime away and all that!
>
> I can't drink beer because I have an allergy to something in the beer:
> <https://health.clevelandclinic.org/are-hidden-ingredients-in-your-beer-making-you-sick/>
> The symptoms are mild and not life threatening. Mostly, I get a runny
> nose, a little nausea and a drop in blood pressure, which makes me
> dizzy and sleepy. For me, beer is not on the menu.
>
> While in college, I was an unofficial designated driver. I would
> drive my car full of rowdy students to the local pizza parlor, and
> return later with a load of drunks. The difficult part was getting
> them to clean up after vomiting on the back seat.
>
>
Grew up in the country so someone was often the designated driver or we
where prepared to walk home after which was a good few hours!

Roger Merriman

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:09:19 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:41:05 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:10:09 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:46:51?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>>>>>>>> As expected and heavily hinted, the uci has banned transgender Athletes in
>>>>>>>> the woman?s category.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which seems where most organisations are at or going forward with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is long past time that they did this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the same note: Bush has opened an expensive advertising campaign to
>>>>>>> "masculanize" Bush beer. I doubt that it will work. Once you step over
>>>>>>> the line, people are already gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can?t say I?ve heard of Bush beer, nor really is booze something that?s
>>>>>> particularly gendered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though there are stereotypes ie women and glasses of wine, and men
>>>>>> particularly older folks with real ales.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> It is Busch Beer - Bud Lite - and apparently they used a commercial
>>>>> with a transgender creature (Male? Female?) Dylan Mulveney as the
>>>>> presenter. Sales fell 23%.
>>>>
>>>> Oh her, can’t say she is on my radar or even Bud light. I used to drink
>>>> Budweiser years back though are nicer larger from memory, I don’t drink at
>>>> all now as is common it makes me unwell In even trace amounts now!
>>>>
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>
>>> I woke up one Sunday morning after a "company party" feeling as though
>>> I'd have to get better to die and realized that I had been to supper
>>> with a bunch of people I wouldn't normally walk across the street to
>>> meet, I'd had a lousy meal, and I'd drank a lot of booze that I really
>>> didn't want. And I Thought "I'm not going to drink any more", and
>>> haven't had a drink in 25 years :-) And, I don't miss it a bit.
>> Can’t say I miss booze, a lifetime away and all that!
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> I occasionally drink a beer. Never just at home. Never started this wine
> nonsense. I like coffee.
>
> Lou
>

As pubs and what not can now do coffees which is my go to!

Very few drinks I hadn’t drunk some I never repeated. Used to occasionally
have beer or gin at home.

Roger Merriman