On 4/5/2022 7:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 5:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/2022 1:45 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It’s a behavioral set-up, and you are now hopeless
>>>>> engrossed in it, a compulsive addict where you physically can no longer
>>>>> turn away.
>>>>
>>>> Strangely enough roughly once a week you tell the truth about yourself
>>>> while attempting to lay some offensive behavior at the feet of your
>>>> victim(s.) Here you're saying Woz is a weak while a willing victim
>>>> without accepting responsibility for your abusive behavior.
>>>>
>>>> The adage, "Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks" is a predecessor
>>>> to your sick behavior that's as warped as any ever seen on Usenet.
>>>>
>>>> You are mentally ill and unwilling to seek help for it. As such you're
>>>> in a worse category than your victims.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, whodat, I have three calls to action for you.
>>>
>>> First, you criticize my negativity to some posters here, and you have said
>>> that this group should be more open and tolerant and positive to other
>>> posters’ ideas. So let’s see what that looks like. Be the thought leader by
>>> example and SHOW me by direct, positive response to Seto, Wozniak, or
>>> Hachel what you think should be the proper tone in a sustained conversation
>>> with these three. Let’s see what you’ve got.
>>>
>>> Second, in case the policy you’re advocating is just no response at all to
>>> cranks — just letting them have their air time without comment one way or
>>> the other — let’s just note that the only person you have responded to here
>>> lately is me. And when you’ve done that, it’s been with undiluted
>>> negativity. I mean, look at YOUR OWN WORDS above. IF the best policy you
>>> are advocating is no reaction at all, then perhaps you could try that one
>>> on for size yourself.
>>>
>>> Third, I believe you said that you had added me, or were imminently adding
>>> me, to your killfile. Now, you see, there is a small action called for: do
>>> what you say you’re going to do, and don’t announce that you’ll do
>>> something you have no intention of doing.
>>
>> My posting was about the indefensible you, and you have supported
>> itsvalidity. Thanks.
>>
>
> Huh. So not interested in heeding your own advice?

You keep criticizing cranks for their disjointed and disconnected
conclusions. In your most recent post (above) that's precisely what you
hand us.

Please quit before you fall even further behind. You should be
embarrassed, so why aren't you?

On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 22:19:31 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:25:19 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> JanPB <fil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The only time exists is absolute time. Absolute time is ticking
> >>>>>> constantly and it is not affected by gravity or motion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Physics is a science, it's not decided by fiat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Jan
> >>>>>
> >>>> Ken has no idea what physics is.
> >>>>
> >>>> To Ken, physics is a subject where if you publish, then you will become
> >>>> famous. He believes this because there are lots of books in Barnes & Noble
> >>>> about famous physicists, but he cannot find books there about famous
> >>>> chemical engineers.
> >>>>
> >>>> To Ken, the activity of doing physics is sitting in a chair and thinking
> >>>> about common experience, and then dreaming up explanations for common
> >>>> experience. And explanations should be verbal descriptions of motions and
> >>>> causes; this pushes that, this goes around that. Maybe add a few diagrams,
> >>>> because physics books have diagrams.
> >>>>
> >>>> And to Ken, it’s important to make this activity look easy, because that’s
> >>>> a sign of genius. The more you claim your explanations cover, and the
> >>>> quicker you can produce the explanation, the more of genius you are.
> >>>>
> >>>> To Ken, the art of being an important physicist is self-promotion.
> >>>> Self-publish your work, pay for a spot in Who’s Who, pay for the book to
> >>>> appear in legitimate libraries, pay to give talks about your work wherever
> >>>> you can. This is how all the important physicists got famous, according to
> >>>> Ken.
> >>>
> >>> And to Bod, any lie, any fabrication, any slander is justified,
> >>> when against an enemy of his beloved Shit.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Woz, you are WAY too thin-skinned to be on Usenet.
> >
> > Bod, poor halfbrain, yet I am.
> Well, let me clarify that you are WAY too thin-skinned to be on Usenet and
> not appear like a wounded, self-indulgent, whiner.

Rave and spit, poor stinker; you're too dumb for
anything else, after all. And feel free to believe
that you're a kickass and your barking is some
incredible pain.

On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 22:36:01 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Because of your long-standing ideas that are opposed to relativity, without
> > > the benefit of actually being educated in the subject, you left yourself
> > > open decades ago to unbridled ridicule and mockery. And because you
> > > persisted in the same vein, unbridled ridicule and mockery are all you
> > > receive, from now until the day you die.
> >
> > And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
> > insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just like
> > all serious clocks always did; and stinking lies of
> > relativistic stinkers like yourself can do exactly nothing
> > about it.
> OK, I'll bite one more time.
> Please explain to us how an astronaut on the Moon, or on Mars
> is going to establish what the TAI it is.
>
> To the nearest nanosecond please,

See, poor halfbrain, in XVII - XVIIIth century Earth travellers
were unable to establish GMT with satisfying precision...
Many died because of it... but now they can. Thinking,
poor halfbrain, can solve such problems in time. Of
course, you're a physicist; your moronic cult is trying
to ban thinking, because your precious formulas
are unable to predict its results. You're mad to try and
you're mad to expect a success.

On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 22:57:45 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>> Because of your long-standing ideas that are opposed to relativity, without
> >>> the benefit of actually being educated in the subject, you left yourself
> >>> open decades ago to unbridled ridicule and mockery. And because you
> >>> persisted in the same vein, unbridled ridicule and mockery are all you
> >>> receive, from now until the day you die.
> >>
> >> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
> >> insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just like
> >> all serious clocks always did; and stinking lies of
> >> relativistic stinkers like yourself can do exactly nothing
> >> about it.
> >
> > OK, I'll bite one more time.
> > Please explain to us how an astronaut on the Moon, or on Mars
> > is going to establish what the TAI it is.
> >
> > To the nearest nanosecond please,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> Doesn’t matter to Woz. What counts is ordinary people, living on the
> surface of the earth, and no other applications are important.

Bod, on the other hand, believes that gedanken applications
in gedanken rockets by gedanken twins have some far greater
importance than the real GPS. What a poor halfbrain.

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:

> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >>> Because of your long-standing ideas that are opposed to relativity,
> >>> without the benefit of actually being educated in the subject, you
> >>> left yourself open decades ago to unbridled ridicule and mockery. And
> >>> because you persisted in the same vein, unbridled ridicule and mockery
> >>> are all you receive, from now until the day you die.
> >>
> >> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
> >> insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just like
> >> all serious clocks always did; and stinking lies of
> >> relativistic stinkers like yourself can do exactly nothing
> >> about it.
> >
> > OK, I'll bite one more time.
> > Please explain to us how an astronaut on the Moon, or on Mars
> > is going to establish what the TAI it is.
> >
> > To the nearest nanosecond please,
> >
> > Jan
> >
>
> Doesn't matter to Woz. What counts is ordinary people, living on the
> surface of the earth, and no other applications are important.

There is of course a solution to this little problem,
but our Woz will never find it,

Jan

On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 11:36:34 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>> Because of your long-standing ideas that are opposed to relativity,
> > >>> without the benefit of actually being educated in the subject, you
> > >>> left yourself open decades ago to unbridled ridicule and mockery. And
> > >>> because you persisted in the same vein, unbridled ridicule and mockery
> > >>> are all you receive, from now until the day you die.
> > >>
> > >> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
> > >> insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just like
> > >> all serious clocks always did; and stinking lies of
> > >> relativistic stinkers like yourself can do exactly nothing
> > >> about it.
> > >
> > > OK, I'll bite one more time.
> > > Please explain to us how an astronaut on the Moon, or on Mars
> > > is going to establish what the TAI it is.
> > >
> > > To the nearest nanosecond please,
> > >
> > > Jan
> > >
> >
> > Doesn't matter to Woz. What counts is ordinary people, living on the
> > surface of the earth, and no other applications are important.
> There is of course a solution to this little problem,
> but our Woz will never find it,

I don't need to find it at all, our Lod. We, sane people, don't
solve problems before they start existing. Unlike your
bunch of idiots, we assume that the real pilots of the real
rockets will be able to deal with their job without the
enlightened guidance of arrogant, incompetent, armchair
wannabe gurus.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 11:36:34 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>> Because of your long-standing ideas that are opposed to relativity,
> > > >>> without the benefit of actually being educated in the subject, you
> > > >>> left yourself open decades ago to unbridled ridicule and mockery. And
> > > >>> because you persisted in the same vein, unbridled ridicule and mockery
> > > >>> are all you receive, from now until the day you die.
> > > >>
> > > >> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
> > > >> insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just like
> > > >> all serious clocks always did; and stinking lies of
> > > >> relativistic stinkers like yourself can do exactly nothing
> > > >> about it.
> > > >
> > > > OK, I'll bite one more time.
> > > > Please explain to us how an astronaut on the Moon, or on Mars
> > > > is going to establish what the TAI it is.
> > > >
> > > > To the nearest nanosecond please,
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > >
> > > Doesn't matter to Woz. What counts is ordinary people, living on the
> > > surface of the earth, and no other applications are important.
> > There is of course a solution to this little problem,
> > but our Woz will never find it,
>
> I don't need to find it at all, our Lod.

Right, you are just an incompetent loudmouth.

> We, sane people, don't
> solve problems before they start existing. Unlike your
> bunch of idiots, we assume that the real pilots of the real
> rockets will be able to deal with their job without the
> enlightened guidance of arrogant, incompetent, armchair
> wannabe gurus.

Real people who send probes all over the solar system
do need to solve problems of accurate timing
to know where their thing is.

Real world examle: ultra precise tracking, to about two meter,
so six nanoseconds, of the OSIRIS-REx probe near asteroid Bennu
has allowed NASA to accurately predict
that there won't be a collision with Earth
on the next two close encounters.

Don't worry, competent people do exist,

Jan

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> Doesn’t matter to Woz. What counts is ordinary people, living on the
>> surface of the earth, and no other applications are important.
>>
> That's right. He will only parrot "And in the meantime in the real
> world,
> forbidden by your insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just
> like all serious clocks always did". With as much thought as an actual
> parrot

Yes, sure, but the nazis of "ukraine", the nazis of "polakia" and the nazis of america, helping them, will be concentrated in forced labour camps, building highways, bridges etc in russia. You nazis can't escape. We write 2022 and the nazis still making wars?? Get out of here.
That's the problem with the russians, they are not evil enough. The will never
bomb infrastructure, water, electricity, etc, staging fals flags as the nazis does.
And btw, without mother Russia, many of you wankers not even would be born. Neither you and your parents. Think about it.

Disgusting: How the Ukrainian Nazi/Nationalist Movement Post WW2 Was Bought by the CIA
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/05/disgusting-how-the-ukrainian-nazi-nationalist-movement-post-ww2-was-bought-by-the-cia/

Russia calls for international probe into US-led biolabs in Ukraine
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/russia-calls-for-international-probe-into-us-led-biolabs-in-ukraine/

“Fakes emerge throughout Ukraine crisis just to be debunked later”
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/06/fakes-emerge-throughout-ukraine-crisis-just-to-be-debunked-later/

German chemical behemoth warns of country’s “total collapse” if Russian oil, gas is cut off
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=251808

“Vaccines” are Genocide Bio Weapons
https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=251830

On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 13:06:57 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 11:36:34 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > > > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>> Because of your long-standing ideas that are opposed to relativity,
> > > > >>> without the benefit of actually being educated in the subject, you
> > > > >>> left yourself open decades ago to unbridled ridicule and mockery. And
> > > > >>> because you persisted in the same vein, unbridled ridicule and mockery
> > > > >>> are all you receive, from now until the day you die.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
> > > > >> insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just like
> > > > >> all serious clocks always did; and stinking lies of
> > > > >> relativistic stinkers like yourself can do exactly nothing
> > > > >> about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, I'll bite one more time.
> > > > > Please explain to us how an astronaut on the Moon, or on Mars
> > > > > is going to establish what the TAI it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > To the nearest nanosecond please,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't matter to Woz. What counts is ordinary people, living on the
> > > > surface of the earth, and no other applications are important.
> > > There is of course a solution to this little problem,
> > > but our Woz will never find it,
> >
> > I don't need to find it at all, our Lod.
> Right, you are just an incompetent loudmouth.

Rave and spit, poor halfbrain; you're too dumb for
anything else, after all.

> > We, sane people, don't
> > solve problems before they start existing. Unlike your
> > bunch of idiots, we assume that the real pilots of the real
> > rockets will be able to deal with their job without the
> > enlightened guidance of arrogant, incompetent, armchair
> > wannabe gurus.
> Real people who send probes all over the solar system
> do need to solve problems of accurate timing
> to know where their thing is.

They do, and, as anyone can check in GPS for instance,
they fuck your holy ISO and the whole rest of your
completely mad "local time" concept. Common sense
was warning your idiot guru.

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 5:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2022 1:45 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> It’s a behavioral set-up, and you are now hopeless
>>>> engrossed in it, a compulsive addict where you physically can no longer
>>>> turn away.
>>>
>>> Strangely enough roughly once a week you tell the truth about yourself
>>> while attempting to lay some offensive behavior at the feet of your
>>> victim(s.) Here you're saying Woz is a weak while a willing victim
>>> without accepting responsibility for your abusive behavior.
>>>
>>> The adage, "Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks" is a predecessor
>>> to your sick behavior that's as warped as any ever seen on Usenet.
>>>
>>> You are mentally ill and unwilling to seek help for it. As such you're
>>> in a worse category than your victims.
>>>
>>
>> So, whodat, I have three calls to action for you.
>>
>> First, you criticize my negativity to some posters here, and you have said
>> that this group should be more open and tolerant and positive to other
>> posters’ ideas. So let’s see what that looks like. Be the thought leader by
>> example and SHOW me by direct, positive response to Seto, Wozniak, or
>> Hachel what you think should be the proper tone in a sustained conversation
>> with these three. Let’s see what you’ve got.
>>
>> Second, in case the policy you’re advocating is just no response at all to
>> cranks — just letting them have their air time without comment one way or
>> the other — let’s just note that the only person you have responded to here
>> lately is me. And when you’ve done that, it’s been with undiluted
>> negativity. I mean, look at YOUR OWN WORDS above. IF the best policy you
>> are advocating is no reaction at all, then perhaps you could try that one
>> on for size yourself.
>>
>> Third, I believe you said that you had added me, or were imminently adding
>> me, to your killfile. Now, you see, there is a small action called for: do
>> what you say you’re going to do, and don’t announce that you’ll do
>> something you have no intention of doing.
>
> My posting was about the indefensible you, and you have supported
> itsvalidity. Thanks.
>

I see that though my reply was an exhortation to YOU, you elected to ignore
that.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 7:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2022 5:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/2022 1:45 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s a behavioral set-up, and you are now hopeless
>>>>>> engrossed in it, a compulsive addict where you physically can no longer
>>>>>> turn away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Strangely enough roughly once a week you tell the truth about yourself
>>>>> while attempting to lay some offensive behavior at the feet of your
>>>>> victim(s.) Here you're saying Woz is a weak while a willing victim
>>>>> without accepting responsibility for your abusive behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> The adage, "Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks" is a predecessor
>>>>> to your sick behavior that's as warped as any ever seen on Usenet.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are mentally ill and unwilling to seek help for it. As such you're
>>>>> in a worse category than your victims.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, whodat, I have three calls to action for you.
>>>>
>>>> First, you criticize my negativity to some posters here, and you have said
>>>> that this group should be more open and tolerant and positive to other
>>>> posters’ ideas. So let’s see what that looks like. Be the thought leader by
>>>> example and SHOW me by direct, positive response to Seto, Wozniak, or
>>>> Hachel what you think should be the proper tone in a sustained conversation
>>>> with these three. Let’s see what you’ve got.
>>>>
>>>> Second, in case the policy you’re advocating is just no response at all to
>>>> cranks — just letting them have their air time without comment one way or
>>>> the other — let’s just note that the only person you have responded to here
>>>> lately is me. And when you’ve done that, it’s been with undiluted
>>>> negativity. I mean, look at YOUR OWN WORDS above. IF the best policy you
>>>> are advocating is no reaction at all, then perhaps you could try that one
>>>> on for size yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Third, I believe you said that you had added me, or were imminently adding
>>>> me, to your killfile. Now, you see, there is a small action called for: do
>>>> what you say you’re going to do, and don’t announce that you’ll do
>>>> something you have no intention of doing.
>>>
>>> My posting was about the indefensible you, and you have supported
>>> itsvalidity. Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> Huh. So not interested in heeding your own advice?
>
> You keep criticizing cranks for their disjointed and disconnected
> conclusions. In your most recent post (above) that's precisely what you
> hand us.

Instead of complaining about my posts, why don’t you exemplify what you’d
rather see?
Be a positive example.

Respond to them (and to me) in the manner YOU advocate.

>
> Please quit before you fall even further behind. You should be
> embarrassed, so why aren't you?
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 15:15:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> I see that though my reply was an exhortation to YOU, you elected to ignore
> that.

Mighty woodworker won't tolerate ignoring his exhorations!
Expect barking, spitting, lies and slanders.

On 4/6/2022 8:15 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 7:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/2022 5:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 1:45 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s a behavioral set-up, and you are now hopeless
>>>>>>> engrossed in it, a compulsive addict where you physically can no longer
>>>>>>> turn away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strangely enough roughly once a week you tell the truth about yourself
>>>>>> while attempting to lay some offensive behavior at the feet of your
>>>>>> victim(s.) Here you're saying Woz is a weak while a willing victim
>>>>>> without accepting responsibility for your abusive behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The adage, "Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks" is a predecessor
>>>>>> to your sick behavior that's as warped as any ever seen on Usenet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are mentally ill and unwilling to seek help for it. As such you're
>>>>>> in a worse category than your victims.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, whodat, I have three calls to action for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, you criticize my negativity to some posters here, and you have said
>>>>> that this group should be more open and tolerant and positive to other
>>>>> posters’ ideas. So let’s see what that looks like. Be the thought leader by
>>>>> example and SHOW me by direct, positive response to Seto, Wozniak, or
>>>>> Hachel what you think should be the proper tone in a sustained conversation
>>>>> with these three. Let’s see what you’ve got.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, in case the policy you’re advocating is just no response at all to
>>>>> cranks — just letting them have their air time without comment one way or
>>>>> the other — let’s just note that the only person you have responded to here
>>>>> lately is me. And when you’ve done that, it’s been with undiluted
>>>>> negativity. I mean, look at YOUR OWN WORDS above. IF the best policy you
>>>>> are advocating is no reaction at all, then perhaps you could try that one
>>>>> on for size yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, I believe you said that you had added me, or were imminently adding
>>>>> me, to your killfile. Now, you see, there is a small action called for: do
>>>>> what you say you’re going to do, and don’t announce that you’ll do
>>>>> something you have no intention of doing.
>>>>
>>>> My posting was about the indefensible you, and you have supported
>>>> itsvalidity. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Huh. So not interested in heeding your own advice?
>>
>> You keep criticizing cranks for their disjointed and disconnected
>> conclusions. In your most recent post (above) that's precisely what you
>> hand us.
>
> Instead of complaining about my posts, why don’t you exemplify what you’d
> rather see?
> Be a positive example.
>
> Respond to them (and to me) in the manner YOU advocate.

Now you believe you have some sort of divine right to tell me what and
how to pose? Honestly I didn't see this one coming.

>> Please quit before you fall even further behind. You should be
>> embarrassed, so why aren't you?

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 8:15 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2022 7:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/2022 5:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 1:45 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’s a behavioral set-up, and you are now hopeless
>>>>>>>> engrossed in it, a compulsive addict where you physically can no longer
>>>>>>>> turn away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Strangely enough roughly once a week you tell the truth about yourself
>>>>>>> while attempting to lay some offensive behavior at the feet of your
>>>>>>> victim(s.) Here you're saying Woz is a weak while a willing victim
>>>>>>> without accepting responsibility for your abusive behavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The adage, "Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks" is a predecessor
>>>>>>> to your sick behavior that's as warped as any ever seen on Usenet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are mentally ill and unwilling to seek help for it. As such you're
>>>>>>> in a worse category than your victims.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, whodat, I have three calls to action for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, you criticize my negativity to some posters here, and you have said
>>>>>> that this group should be more open and tolerant and positive to other
>>>>>> posters’ ideas. So let’s see what that looks like. Be the thought leader by
>>>>>> example and SHOW me by direct, positive response to Seto, Wozniak, or
>>>>>> Hachel what you think should be the proper tone in a sustained conversation
>>>>>> with these three. Let’s see what you’ve got.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, in case the policy you’re advocating is just no response at all to
>>>>>> cranks — just letting them have their air time without comment one way or
>>>>>> the other — let’s just note that the only person you have responded to here
>>>>>> lately is me. And when you’ve done that, it’s been with undiluted
>>>>>> negativity. I mean, look at YOUR OWN WORDS above. IF the best policy you
>>>>>> are advocating is no reaction at all, then perhaps you could try that one
>>>>>> on for size yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, I believe you said that you had added me, or were imminently adding
>>>>>> me, to your killfile. Now, you see, there is a small action called for: do
>>>>>> what you say you’re going to do, and don’t announce that you’ll do
>>>>>> something you have no intention of doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> My posting was about the indefensible you, and you have supported
>>>>> itsvalidity. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Huh. So not interested in heeding your own advice?
>>>
>>> You keep criticizing cranks for their disjointed and disconnected
>>> conclusions. In your most recent post (above) that's precisely what you
>>> hand us.
>>
>> Instead of complaining about my posts, why don’t you exemplify what you’d
>> rather see?
>> Be a positive example.
>>
>> Respond to them (and to me) in the manner YOU advocate.
>
>
>
> Now you believe you have some sort of divine right to tell me what and
> how to pose? Honestly I didn't see this one coming.
>

I thought you might be interested in practicing what you preach.

You’ve been on a bit of a rant about my negativity in responses to “cranks
for their disjointed and disconnected conclusions” (your phrase). So since
you find the negativity off-putting, then illustrate what you’d like to see
otherwise.

>
>
>>> Please quit before you fall even further behind. You should be
>>> embarrassed, so why aren't you?
>
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 4/6/2022 11:17 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>> On 4/6/2022 8:15 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/2022 7:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 5:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 1:45 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s a behavioral set-up, and you are now hopeless
>>>>>>>>> engrossed in it, a compulsive addict where you physically can no longer
>>>>>>>>> turn away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Strangely enough roughly once a week you tell the truth about yourself
>>>>>>>> while attempting to lay some offensive behavior at the feet of your
>>>>>>>> victim(s.) Here you're saying Woz is a weak while a willing victim
>>>>>>>> without accepting responsibility for your abusive behavior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The adage, "Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks" is a predecessor
>>>>>>>> to your sick behavior that's as warped as any ever seen on Usenet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are mentally ill and unwilling to seek help for it. As such you're
>>>>>>>> in a worse category than your victims.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, whodat, I have three calls to action for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, you criticize my negativity to some posters here, and you have said
>>>>>>> that this group should be more open and tolerant and positive to other
>>>>>>> posters’ ideas. So let’s see what that looks like. Be the thought leader by
>>>>>>> example and SHOW me by direct, positive response to Seto, Wozniak, or
>>>>>>> Hachel what you think should be the proper tone in a sustained conversation
>>>>>>> with these three. Let’s see what you’ve got.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second, in case the policy you’re advocating is just no response at all to
>>>>>>> cranks — just letting them have their air time without comment one way or
>>>>>>> the other — let’s just note that the only person you have responded to here
>>>>>>> lately is me. And when you’ve done that, it’s been with undiluted
>>>>>>> negativity. I mean, look at YOUR OWN WORDS above. IF the best policy you
>>>>>>> are advocating is no reaction at all, then perhaps you could try that one
>>>>>>> on for size yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Third, I believe you said that you had added me, or were imminently adding
>>>>>>> me, to your killfile. Now, you see, there is a small action called for: do
>>>>>>> what you say you’re going to do, and don’t announce that you’ll do
>>>>>>> something you have no intention of doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My posting was about the indefensible you, and you have supported
>>>>>> itsvalidity. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh. So not interested in heeding your own advice?
>>>>
>>>> You keep criticizing cranks for their disjointed and disconnected
>>>> conclusions. In your most recent post (above) that's precisely what you
>>>> hand us.
>>>
>>> Instead of complaining about my posts, why don’t you exemplify what you’d
>>> rather see?
>>> Be a positive example.
>>>
>>> Respond to them (and to me) in the manner YOU advocate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now you believe you have some sort of divine right to tell me what and
>> how to pose? Honestly I didn't see this one coming.
>>
>
> I thought you might be interested in practicing what you preach.
>
> You’ve been on a bit of a rant about my negativity in responses to “cranks
> for their disjointed and disconnected conclusions” (your phrase). So since
> you find the negativity off-putting, then illustrate what you’d like to see
> otherwise.

Not so sure you can handle it, but here's a starting point:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People

You keep talking about reading to learn, let's see how you do or if
you do. There's actually more to life than physics and woodworking.

>>>> Please quit before you fall even further behind. You should be
>>>> embarrassed, so why aren't you?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 11:17 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2022 8:15 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/2022 7:41 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 5:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 1:45 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It’s a behavioral set-up, and you are now hopeless
>>>>>>>>>> engrossed in it, a compulsive addict where you physically can no longer
>>>>>>>>>> turn away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Strangely enough roughly once a week you tell the truth about yourself
>>>>>>>>> while attempting to lay some offensive behavior at the feet of your
>>>>>>>>> victim(s.) Here you're saying Woz is a weak while a willing victim
>>>>>>>>> without accepting responsibility for your abusive behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The adage, "Beat me, whip me, make me write bad checks" is a predecessor
>>>>>>>>> to your sick behavior that's as warped as any ever seen on Usenet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are mentally ill and unwilling to seek help for it. As such you're
>>>>>>>>> in a worse category than your victims.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, whodat, I have three calls to action for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, you criticize my negativity to some posters here, and you have said
>>>>>>>> that this group should be more open and tolerant and positive to other
>>>>>>>> posters’ ideas. So let’s see what that looks like. Be the thought leader by
>>>>>>>> example and SHOW me by direct, positive response to Seto, Wozniak, or
>>>>>>>> Hachel what you think should be the proper tone in a sustained conversation
>>>>>>>> with these three. Let’s see what you’ve got.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Second, in case the policy you’re advocating is just no response at all to
>>>>>>>> cranks — just letting them have their air time without comment one way or
>>>>>>>> the other — let’s just note that the only person you have responded to here
>>>>>>>> lately is me. And when you’ve done that, it’s been with undiluted
>>>>>>>> negativity. I mean, look at YOUR OWN WORDS above. IF the best policy you
>>>>>>>> are advocating is no reaction at all, then perhaps you could try that one
>>>>>>>> on for size yourself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Third, I believe you said that you had added me, or were imminently adding
>>>>>>>> me, to your killfile. Now, you see, there is a small action called for: do
>>>>>>>> what you say you’re going to do, and don’t announce that you’ll do
>>>>>>>> something you have no intention of doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My posting was about the indefensible you, and you have supported
>>>>>>> itsvalidity. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh. So not interested in heeding your own advice?
>>>>>
>>>>> You keep criticizing cranks for their disjointed and disconnected
>>>>> conclusions. In your most recent post (above) that's precisely what you
>>>>> hand us.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of complaining about my posts, why don’t you exemplify what you’d
>>>> rather see?
>>>> Be a positive example.
>>>>
>>>> Respond to them (and to me) in the manner YOU advocate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now you believe you have some sort of divine right to tell me what and
>>> how to pose? Honestly I didn't see this one coming.
>>>
>>
>> I thought you might be interested in practicing what you preach.
>>
>> You’ve been on a bit of a rant about my negativity in responses to “cranks
>> for their disjointed and disconnected conclusions” (your phrase). So since
>> you find the negativity off-putting, then illustrate what you’d like to see
>> otherwise.
>
>
> Not so sure you can handle it, but here's a starting point:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People

I’ve read that book, thanks. Keep in mind in mind that my objectives with
cranks is to neither win them as friends or influence their understanding.

Most importantly, though, the question *I* have for *you* is how does that
book manifest in YOUR communications on this group? How are YOU winning
friends and influencing people like Seto, Hachel, and Wozniak? I don’t see
you interacting with them *at all*. What then should I infer about the
proper way to interact with them, from observing your behavior?

You can opine all day long that I should behave differently, but the best
argument you will have is the example you set.

>
> You keep talking about reading to learn, let's see how you do or if
> you do. There's actually more to life than physics and woodworking.
>
>
>>>>> Please quit before you fall even further behind. You should be
>>>>> embarrassed, so why aren't you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 4/6/2022 4:57 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People

> I’ve read that book, thanks. Keep in mind in mind that my objectives with
> cranks is to neither win them as friends or influence their understanding.

Clearly that's not what you've said earlier. Too bad, once again
you've demonstrated any conversation with you is invariably
fruitless. Formal education hasn't helped you, it has enabled you.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/narcissism-symptoms-signs

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 4:57 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People
>
>> I’ve read that book, thanks. Keep in mind in mind that my objectives with
>> cranks is to neither win them as friends or influence their understanding.
>
> Clearly that's not what you've said earlier.

I don’t think that’s true. I have stated over and over again that this
forum is not the place to be taught that basics of physics or to ask about
them. I have stated over and over again that the place to learn those
things is outside this group, in either formal education or by reading
textbooks and working the exercises. I have also stated over and over again
that it is useless to try to talk intelligently about relativity if you
haven’t studied the background material first, because you won’t have the
conceptual underpinning, won’t have the practice at using requisite skills,
and you won’t understand the terminology correctly.

I have no desire or intention to teach anyone relativity here.

> Too bad, once again
> you've demonstrated any conversation with you is invariably
> fruitless. Formal education hasn't helped you, it has enabled you.
>
> https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/narcissism-symptoms-signs
>

I note with interest that you STILL do not accept ownership of living out
your own advice to me. You will not set an example of positive interaction
with Hachel, Seto, or Wozniak, nor have you explained why you cannot do
that. Nor have you elected to provide positive-oriented conversation with
me. Why would I think your advice has any value if you don’t live by it?

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> >
> > The only time exists is absolute time. Absolute time is ticking constantly and it is not affected by gravity or motion.
> Physics is a science, it's not decided by fiat.

Then why do you accept Einstein's fiat?
>
> --
> Jan

Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>>>
>>> The only time exists is absolute time. Absolute time is ticking
>>> constantly and it is not affected by gravity or motion.
>> Physics is a science, it's not decided by fiat.
>
> Then why do you accept Einstein's fiat?

Because science showed him right. It wasn’t accepted until that happened.

>>
>> --
>> Jan
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 11:36:34 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > > > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:11 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>> Because of your long-standing ideas that are opposed to relativity,
> > > > >>> without the benefit of actually being educated in the subject, you
> > > > >>> left yourself open decades ago to unbridled ridicule and mockery. And
> > > > >>> because you persisted in the same vein, unbridled ridicule and mockery
> > > > >>> are all you receive, from now until the day you die.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your
> > > > >> insane religion TAI will keep measuring t'=t, just like
> > > > >> all serious clocks always did; and stinking lies of
> > > > >> relativistic stinkers like yourself can do exactly nothing
> > > > >> about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, I'll bite one more time.
> > > > > Please explain to us how an astronaut on the Moon, or on Mars
> > > > > is going to establish what the TAI it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > To the nearest nanosecond please,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't matter to Woz. What counts is ordinary people, living on the
> > > > surface of the earth, and no other applications are important.
> > > There is of course a solution to this little problem,
> > > but our Woz will never find it,
> >
> > I don't need to find it at all, our Lod.
> Right, you are just an incompetent loudmouth.
> > We, sane people, don't
> > solve problems before they start existing. Unlike your
> > bunch of idiots, we assume that the real pilots of the real
> > rockets will be able to deal with their job without the
> > enlightened guidance of arrogant, incompetent, armchair
> > wannabe gurus.
> Real people who send probes all over the solar system
> do need to solve problems of accurate timing
> to know where their thing is.
>
> Real world examle: ultra precise tracking, to about two meter,
> so six nanoseconds, of the OSIRIS-REx probe near asteroid Bennu
> has allowed NASA to accurately predict
> that there won't be a collision with Earth
> on the next two close encounters.

NASA engineers do the calculations with absolute time. They offset the GPS second to have 4.1617 more periods of the Cs 133 radiation than the ground clcok second.
>
> Don't worry, competent people do exist,
>
> Jan

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 15:21:06 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have no desire or intention to teach anyone relativity here.

Sure, you're here to bark and spit at the enemies of your
insane ideology, as expected from a well trained doggie.

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 21:25:46 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The only time exists is absolute time. Absolute time is ticking
> >>> constantly and it is not affected by gravity or motion.
> >> Physics is a science, it's not decided by fiat.
> >
> > Then why do you accept Einstein's fiat?
> Because science showed him right.

In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden by
his moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just like all
serious clocks always did.

Ken Seto wrote:

>> Real world examle: ultra precise tracking, to about two meter, so six
>> nanoseconds, of the OSIRIS-REx probe near asteroid Bennu has allowed
>> NASA to accurately predict that there won't be a collision with Earth
>> on the next two close encounters.
>
> NASA engineers do the calculations with absolute time. They offset the
> GPS second to have 4.1617 more periods of the Cs 133 radiation than the
> ground clcok second.

Exactly you cannot do that with a natural frequency. That's the idea.

Ken Seto wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>> >
>> > The only time exists is absolute time. Absolute time is ticking
>> > constantly and it is not affected by gravity or motion.
>> Physics is a science, it's not decided by fiat.
>
> Then why do you accept Einstein's fiat?

Because he doesn't understand it.