On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>>>>
>>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
>>> a gun in their home...
>>
>> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
>
>I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."

That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:15:35 PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> >>>>
> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> >>>
> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> >>> a gun in their home...
> >>
> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
> >
> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.

assumes facts not in evidence

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:24:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:15:35?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
>> >>>
>> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
>> >>> a gun in their home...
>> >>
>> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
>> >
>> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
>> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
>> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
>> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.
>
>assumes facts not in evidence

"I've had a gun in my home"
--Krygowski

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/owo0ZrydV8E/m/vwCQ__f6BQAJ

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:00:46 PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:24:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:15:35?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> >> >>> a gun in their home...
> >> >>
> >> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic..
> >> >
> >> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
> >> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
> >> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
> >> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.
> >
> >assumes facts not in evidence
> "I've had a gun in my home"
> --Krygowski
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/owo0ZrydV8E/m/vwCQ__f6BQAJ

It's not a fact that he attempted to frighten anyone, or that it was either illogical or dishonest - that's just you being an asshole. IOW, your usual ignorant floriduh dumbass opinion.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:00:46?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:24:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:15:35?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
>> >> >>> a gun in their home...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
>> >> >
>> >> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
>> >> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
>> >> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
>> >> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.
>> >
>> >assumes facts not in evidence
>> "I've had a gun in my home"
>> --Krygowski
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/owo0ZrydV8E/m/vwCQ__f6BQAJ
>
>It's not a fact that he attempted to frighten anyone, or that it was either illogical or dishonest - that's just you being an asshole. IOW, your usual ignorant floriduh dumbass opinion.

I'm seeing hundreds of words of evasion, of efforts to avoid saying
the
obvious: In John's situation, having a gun nearby would have made
matters worse.

It smacks of a religious commandment - or more accurately, idolatry.
"Thou shalt not speak irreverently of the golden idol, the gun."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a
fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide
attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/
People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate
of
their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely
by
homicides at home, which were three times more common among people
living with handgun owners. ... people living with handgun owners were
seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate
partner.
In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun
probably operated as the instrument of death.

But "Thou shalt not speak irreverently about guns."

--
- Frank Krygowski

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/SJRhjDxotCo/m/VtWEmTWhAwAJ

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 4:34:59 PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass cut-n-pasted without context:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:00:46?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:24:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:15:35?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> >> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> >> >> >>> a gun in their home...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
> >> >> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
> >> >> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
> >> >> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.
> >> >
> >> >assumes facts not in evidence
> >> "I've had a gun in my home"
> >> --Krygowski
> >>
> >> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/owo0ZrydV8E/m/vwCQ__f6BQAJ
> >
> >It's not a fact that he attempted to frighten anyone, or that it was either illogical or dishonest - that's just you being an asshole. IOW, your usual ignorant floriduh dumbass opinion.
> I'm seeing hundreds of words of evasion, of efforts to avoid saying
> the
> obvious: In John's situation, having a gun nearby would have made
> matters worse.
>
> It smacks of a religious commandment - or more accurately, idolatry.
> "Thou shalt not speak irreverently of the golden idol, the gun."
>
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
> Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a
> fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide
> attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.
>
> https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/
> People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate
> of
> their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely
> by
> homicides at home, which were three times more common among people
> living with handgun owners. ... people living with handgun owners were
> seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate
> partner.
> In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun
> probably operated as the instrument of death.
>
> But "Thou shalt not speak irreverently about guns."
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/SJRhjDxotCo/m/VtWEmTWhAwAJ

Well, scared little kitty, if a report showing statistics scares you, that's _your_ problem. It still does doesn't demonstrate any factual basis to "That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home."

It seems we need to break it down for you since you're having trouble with it:
"timid little guy" - subjective assessment on your part.
"who tried to frighten people about having a gun in their home," - subjective assessment on your part.
" illogically (and most likely dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home." - That he claimed to have a gun at one time in his home is a fact. That you suggested it was dishonest is subjective, that you claim it is is illogical is subjective.

It assumes facts not in evidence.

Q.E.D., dumbass.

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:45:18 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>
> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> > and makes you want to deny the Constitution.
> You have a very, very simplistic understanding of the Constitution.
> > So while the rest of us are living in ghettos with audible gunfire every night you can believe that all of the world is like 99% white Poland, OH.
> I'd think a purported millionaire would move to someplace that he wouldn't feel compelled to
> complain about so often!
>
> - Frank Krygowski

The Constitution was written as simplistic as possible so that there would be no questions what your rights are. But the Democrats have been questioning the Constitution since the first word was written. I know you would prefer and entirely new Constitution that put the people like Fauci in charge of everything and you wouldn't have to think for yourself and instead just follow orders. But that is why I made more in one week than you made in a month. The ability to think is something you were born without. Instead you shouted on about lines in a text book and called it "education" when it was communist indoctrination.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:41:36 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12 AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> > >
> > >The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> >
> > In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> > a gun in their home...
> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.

Tell everyone here exactly who you are trusting? Your local Fentanyl addict? Or perhaps you couldn't recognize one? The military was bringing people back from Afghanistan and Iraq with grave injuries. In the field the only way to keep them quiet and somewhat comfortable was synthetic opiates or the real thing. Then in the states they were already addicts and to keep them quiet again they had bowls of Fentanyl next to their beds so that they were on one continuous high. These people were discharged with no way of getting the drugs they were addicted to and you are a way that they can pay for it.. Keep pretending that you can recognize an addict until you say the wrong thing to one of them and they stick a knife in your guts. Almost none of them have guns because they could sell one for another two pills.

I find it fascinating just how naïve that you and Frank are. Even Liebermann knows better than to even mention pain killers of any sort.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 4:53:17 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:22:37 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:08:32 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>John, by your standards, you've enthroned yourself as an authority on AR
> > > > >>rifles. Yet you do not own one. You've never mentioned shooting one.
> > > > >
> > > > >One can be an expert on something without owning or using it.
> > > >
> > > > But lets see, Expert on AR type.... Nope, never made that claim
> > > OK, we'll remember that. You're not an expert on ARs.
> > > > One doesn't need to be an expert on
> > > > any type of forearm to speak intelligently about it.
> > > Especially, one does not need to know the details you specialize in to understand
> > > the societal impact of gun proliferation. It doesn't matter if the caliber is 20% bigger
> > > or smaller. It doesn't matter if the firing rate is 30% more or less. It doesn't matter what
> > > the precise inner workings may be.
> > >
> > > Timid gun fetishists have generated a culture of fear ("I _gotta_ have a gun for protection!!!")
> > > and saturated the country with firearms intended to kill bad guys. The result has been
> > > many murders of very ordinary people.
> > >
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine and makes you want to deny the Constitution.
> >
> > So while the rest of us are living in ghettos with audible gunfire every night you can believe that all of the world is like 99% white Poland, OH
> I think I can speak for most people here that we don't live in ghettos with gunfire every night.
> Tommy, you repeatedly remind us how rich you are. If you're living in a ghetto with gunfire every night, why don't you move? Pick a nice conservative community with a low cost of living and good roads for cycling. Shasta county voted for Trump, and is considered the most conservative county in the state. I'm sure you'd find kindred spirits there to commiserate when trump loses again. Also, the median house price is about $450K - you could sell your ~$1m dollar home in that ghetto and move to a nice conservative country lifestyle with great roads in the mountains.

Unlike you, I'm smart enough to know that unless you want to move to the wilds of Utah, you cannot escape violence. I have no intentions of being chased from my home while you're suggesting that you would run with your tail between your legs. Because you have no money you believe that money will solve any problems. I'm afraid that you will never grow up and that you will remain stupid for the rest of your life. Well, don't worry, you were vaccinated by Pfizer and will turn out to be one of those excess deaths that they claim have nothing to do with Covid-19. In the last seconds of your life you can remember to say that Fauci had nothing to so with SARS-Cov-2 even though he owns the patent on it.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:47:56 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:09:07 AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass displayed his 4th grade reading comprehension :
> > On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:46:29?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:41:34 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > >> >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > >> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> > >> >> a gun in their home...
> > >> >
> > >> >So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic..
> > >> <EYEROLL> Trust in what, Dummy?
> > >
> > >Oh, right, I forgot, You live in such a state of constant fear that you have no trust in anyone including yourself.
> > <SNORT> Trust myself? ......to do what?
> >
> > ...and who or what do you think a person should trust to protect them?
> > >> ...and in my opinion, only a total moron would claim that
> > >> self-confidence alone is a defensive strategy.
> > >
> > >And only a total moron (aka, a floriduh dumbass) would would get that from what I wrote.
> > Well, that exactly what you did write, Dummy.
> lol...sure, dumbass, and "the AR-15 was a weapon the military never wonted and never used"....HAH!

There we have it, straight from the mouth of the play racer - he was in the military so he knows everything about the AR-15 and its precise match to the M16. That is except for the barrel, caliber, entire firing mechanism and stock and flash housing.

Why, I'll bet that he was advising the Pentagon at the time that the M16 was accepted. It's always nice getting the very words of the real experts on weapons that they have first hand experience with.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:15:35 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> >>>>
> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> >>>
> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> >>> a gun in their home...
> >>
> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
> >
> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.

He must have been taking advice from another one of his good friends.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:24:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:15:35?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
>> >>>
>> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
>> >>> a gun in their home...
>> >>
>> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
>> >
>> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
>> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
>> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
>> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.
>
>He must have been taking advice from another one of his good friends.

His imaginary friends do tend to agree with him.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 16:34:54 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:00:46?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:24:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:15:35?PM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:09:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On 7/20/2023 5:41 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> >> >>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> >> >>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
>>> >> >>> a gun in their home...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I think it would be better to put quotation marks around "logic."
>>> >> That's from the timid little guy who tried to frighten people about
>>> >> having a gun in their home, and then illogically (and most likely
>>> >> dishonestly) claimed to have had a gun in his home.
>>> >
>>> >assumes facts not in evidence
>>> "I've had a gun in my home"
>>> --Krygowski
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/owo0ZrydV8E/m/vwCQ__f6BQAJ
>>
>>It's not a fact that he attempted to frighten anyone, or that it was either illogical or dishonest - that's just you being an asshole. IOW, your usual ignorant floriduh dumbass opinion.
>
>
>I'm seeing hundreds of words of evasion, of efforts to avoid saying
>the
>obvious: In John's situation, having a gun nearby would have made
>matters worse.
>
>It smacks of a religious commandment - or more accurately, idolatry.
>"Thou shalt not speak irreverently of the golden idol, the gun."
>
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
>Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a
>fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide
>attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.
>
>https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/
>People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate
>of
>their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely
>by
>homicides at home, which were three times more common among people
>living with handgun owners. ... people living with handgun owners were
>seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate
>partner.
>In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun
>probably operated as the instrument of death.
>
>But "Thou shalt not speak irreverently about guns."

Well, as I have suggested to Frank more then a few times.... If guns
are so bad then gather your adherents and do away with the 2nd
amendment".

What Frank ignores is that he lives in a democracy where the majority
are the ones who call the shots. So if it should be quite simple to
amend the Constitution.... or can it be? That the majority of the
citizens don't give a rat's ass about Frank's opinions?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:11:56 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:07:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 7/20/2023 9:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2023 10:22 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:08:32 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> John, by your standards, you've enthroned yourself as an authority
>>>>>>> on AR
>>>>>>> rifles. Yet you do not own one. You've never mentioned shooting one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can be an expert on something without owning or using it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But lets see, Expert on AR type.... Nope, never made that claim
>>>>
>>>> OK, we'll remember that. You're not an expert on ARs.
>>>>
>>>>> One doesn't need to be an expert on
>>>>> any type of forearm to speak intelligently about it.
>>>>
>>>> Especially, one does not need to know the details you specialize in to
>>>> understand
>>>> the societal impact of gun proliferation. It doesn't matter if the
>>>> caliber is 20% bigger
>>>> or smaller. It doesn't matter if the firing rate is 30% more or less.
>>>> It doesn't matter what
>>>> the precise inner workings may be.
>>>>
>>>> Timid gun fetishists have generated a culture of fear ("I _gotta_ have
>>>> a gun for protection!!!")
>>>> and saturated the country with firearms intended to kill bad guys. The
>>>> result has been
>>>> many murders of very ordinary people.
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let's consult the players rather than sideline observers:
>>>
>>> https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-young-people-carry-guns-out-of-fear-for-their-lives-safety-of-their-families-20230717-yiisslekyffd7ak5ztn3gum6a4-story.html
>>
>>Yep. People carry guns because they are afraid.
>
>...and some very timid people, such as you, are even afraid to have a
>gun in their home.
>
>>What are they afraid of? Mostly, other people carrying guns.
>
>No, I don't believe the guy who attacked me had a gun. If he did, I
>didn't see it.
>
>>It's a national insanity. This happens far, far less in other prosperous
>>countries.

If it is a "national insanity" then logically amending the
Constitution to remove the 2nd amendment must be sanity. So... why is
Frank so loath to do it?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:57:50 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Unlike you, I'm smart enough to know that unless you want to move to the wilds of Utah, you cannot escape violence.

What a fearful, fearful person! Tom, when can I expect this violence to arrive?

I've biked in places like Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Cleveland, LA, San Francisco, New Orleans,
Charlotte, Cincinnati, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Atlanta and countless others. I've never suffered
anything worse than some yelling by idiots. I've never suffered a burglary or other home invasion.

What makes gun fans so paranoid, so timid, so fearful?

- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:06:10 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:07:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> ><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Yep. People carry guns because they are afraid.
> >
> >>What are they afraid of? Mostly, other people carrying guns.
> >
> >>It's a national insanity. This happens far, far less in other prosperous
> >>countries.
> If it is a "national insanity" then logically amending the
> Constitution to remove the 2nd amendment must be sanity. So... why is
> Frank so loath to do it?

What I said was that America can greatly improve it's gun problem without
repealing the 2nd amendment. It's not necessary to remove the 2nd amendment..

Don't trust your memory about what I've said, John. Like Tom, that causes you to
frequently make mistakes. This is the internet! Look back to see what was actually
posted!

- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 20:34:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:57:50?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Unlike you, I'm smart enough to know that unless you want to move to the wilds of Utah, you cannot escape violence.
>
>What a fearful, fearful person! Tom, when can I expect this violence to arrive?
>
>I've biked in places like Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Cleveland, LA, San Francisco, New Orleans,
>Charlotte, Cincinnati, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Atlanta and countless others. I've never suffered
>anything worse than some yelling by idiots. I've never suffered a burglary or other home invasion.
>
>What makes gun fans so paranoid, so timid, so fearful?

Assumes "facts" not in evidence...

But since you're the guy who is afraid to have a gun in your home....

.....so what makes you anti-gun loons so paranoid, so timid, so
fearful?

>- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 20:38:51 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:06:10?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:07:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> ><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Yep. People carry guns because they are afraid.
>> >
>> >>What are they afraid of? Mostly, other people carrying guns.
>> >
>> >>It's a national insanity. This happens far, far less in other prosperous
>> >>countries.
>> If it is a "national insanity" then logically amending the
>> Constitution to remove the 2nd amendment must be sanity. So... why is
>> Frank so loath to do it?
>
>What I said was that America can greatly improve it's gun problem without
>repealing the 2nd amendment. It's not necessary to remove the 2nd amendment.
>
>Don't trust your memory about what I've said, John. Like Tom, that causes you to
>frequently make mistakes. This is the internet! Look back to see what was actually
>posted!
>
>- Frank Krygowski

IN my opinion, the Second Amendment is quite secure, as are the people
who own AR15s.

As I've said, with Krygowski, it's not about guns, it's about his need
for attention.

which I'm happy to provide...

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:09:07?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass displayed his 4th grade reading comprehension :
>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:46:29?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:41:34 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
>> >> >> a gun in their home...
>> >> >
>> >> >So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
>> >> <EYEROLL> Trust in what, Dummy?
>> >
>> >Oh, right, I forgot, You live in such a state of constant fear that you have no trust in anyone including yourself.
>> <SNORT> Trust myself? ......to do what?
>>
>> ...and who or what do you think a person should trust to protect them?
>> >> ...and in my opinion, only a total moron would claim that
>> >> self-confidence alone is a defensive strategy.
>> >
>> >And only a total moron (aka, a floriduh dumbass) would would get that from what I wrote.
>> Well, that exactly what you did write, Dummy.
>
>lol...sure, dumbass, and "the AR-15 was a weapon the military never wonted and never used"....HAH!

That depends on which "AR" you are talking about, doesn't it. the
Military never even considered the AR Civilian version :-) And Yes
there were factions in the Military that opposed the original AR, just
as historically there has always been pro and con factions regarding
any new thing. There was a factions that opposed the M-1 Garand -
shoots too fast, have to carry too much ammunition,
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:44:53 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:41:36 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12 AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> > > >
> > > >The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> > > a gun in their home...
> > So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
> Tell everyone here exactly who you are trusting? Your local Fentanyl addict? Or perhaps you couldn't recognize one? The military was bringing people back from Afghanistan and Iraq with grave injuries. In the field the only way to keep them quiet and somewhat comfortable was synthetic opiates or the real thing. Then in the states they were already addicts and to keep them quiet again they had bowls of Fentanyl next to their beds so that they were on one continuous high. These people were discharged with no way of getting the drugs they were addicted to and you are a way that they can pay for it. Keep pretending that you can recognize an addict until you say the wrong thing to one of them and they stick a knife in your guts. Almost none of them have guns because they could sell one for another two pills.
>
> I find it fascinating just how naïve that you and Frank are. Even Liebermann knows better than to even mention pain killers of any sort.

I didn't mention painkillers, you idiot. You did.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:21:42 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:47:56 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:09:07 AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass displayed his 4th grade reading comprehension :
> > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:46:29?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:41:34 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > > >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> > > >> >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > > >> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> > > >> >> a gun in their home...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
> > > >> <EYEROLL> Trust in what, Dummy?
> > > >
> > > >Oh, right, I forgot, You live in such a state of constant fear that you have no trust in anyone including yourself.
> > > <SNORT> Trust myself? ......to do what?
> > >
> > > ...and who or what do you think a person should trust to protect them?
> > > >> ...and in my opinion, only a total moron would claim that
> > > >> self-confidence alone is a defensive strategy.
> > > >
> > > >And only a total moron (aka, a floriduh dumbass) would would get that from what I wrote.
> > > Well, that exactly what you did write, Dummy.
> > lol...sure, dumbass, and "the AR-15 was a weapon the military never wonted and never used"....HAH!
> There we have it, straight from the mouth of the play racer

Yup, it's a sport I play. Too bad you never had the cojones to mix it up with the pros in a pro-am criterium.

> he was in the military so he knows everything about the AR-15 and its precise match to the M16.

Don't need to have been in the military for that.

> That is except for the barrel, caliber, entire firing mechanism and stock and flash housing.

nope. When the military made the decision to adopt the AR-15 as their standard weapon, it became the M-16, it was simply a designation change.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953110.pdf
Page 38
The AR15 was designated the standard basic weapon for the Air Force on 2 January 1962, and designated the M16 rifle by the Army 11 December 1963.

Page 146
Product Improvement Modifications
1. Major modifications have frequently not been supported by test data at the time of their approval. The majority of all modifications have been relatively minor - calling for dimensional and surface or material finish changes.

You, like floriduh dumbass and john are under the mistaken impression that the AR-15 available to civilians today was the same version adopted by the military in 1962. It isn't.

>
> Why, I'll bet that he was advising the Pentagon at the time that the M16 was accepted. It's always nice getting the very words of the real experts on weapons that they have first hand experience with.

I'm willing to bet I have as much experience with an M-16 as you do.

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:40:50 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:09:07?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass displayed his 4th grade reading comprehension :
> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:46:29?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:41:34 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >> >> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> >> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> >> >> >> a gun in their home...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
> >> >> <EYEROLL> Trust in what, Dummy?
> >> >
> >> >Oh, right, I forgot, You live in such a state of constant fear that you have no trust in anyone including yourself.
> >> <SNORT> Trust myself? ......to do what?
> >>
> >> ...and who or what do you think a person should trust to protect them?
> >> >> ...and in my opinion, only a total moron would claim that
> >> >> self-confidence alone is a defensive strategy.
> >> >
> >> >And only a total moron (aka, a floriduh dumbass) would would get that from what I wrote.
> >> Well, that exactly what you did write, Dummy.
> >
> >lol...sure, dumbass, and "the AR-15 was a weapon the military never wonted and never used"....HAH!
> That depends on which "AR" you are talking about, doesn't it. the
> Military never even considered the AR Civilian version :-)

That's because the civilian version came after the military version was developed. You can read all about the development and history (including the political issues) of the AR-15 here
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953110.pdf

> And Yes
> there were factions in the Military that opposed the original AR, just
> as historically there has always been pro and con factions regarding
> any new thing. There was a factions that opposed the M-1 Garand -
> shoots too fast, have to carry too much ammunition,

All well-detailed in the report linked above

> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On 7/21/2023 4:40 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:09:07?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass displayed his 4th grade reading comprehension :
>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:46:29?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:41:34 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
>>>>>>> a gun in their home...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
>>>>> <EYEROLL> Trust in what, Dummy?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, right, I forgot, You live in such a state of constant fear that you have no trust in anyone including yourself.
>>> <SNORT> Trust myself? ......to do what?
>>>
>>> ...and who or what do you think a person should trust to protect them?
>>>>> ...and in my opinion, only a total moron would claim that
>>>>> self-confidence alone is a defensive strategy.
>>>>
>>>> And only a total moron (aka, a floriduh dumbass) would would get that from what I wrote.
>>> Well, that exactly what you did write, Dummy.
>>
>> lol...sure, dumbass, and "the AR-15 was a weapon the military never wonted and never used"....HAH!
>
> That depends on which "AR" you are talking about, doesn't it. the
> Military never even considered the AR Civilian version :-) And Yes
> there were factions in the Military that opposed the original AR, just
> as historically there has always been pro and con factions regarding
> any new thing. There was a factions that opposed the M-1 Garand -
> shoots too fast, have to carry too much ammunition,
>

And, as Mr Stoner noted, M1 cartridges make a soldier's load
heavier besides the Garand mass itself.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 7/21/2023 4:20 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>
> But since you're the guy who is afraid to have a gun in your home....

I'm the guy who is brave enough to not need a gun in my home.

Today I'm planning a solo ride through the inner city, partly to visit a
new library on the far side of town. I'll be riding on <gasp!> ordinary
streets. Many of those streets will have <oh my!> people of other races
living there. I'll return by a different route <more hazards!>, again
through the city. And in the process, I'll be climbing out of the river
valley in both directions. <hills!>

As always, I won't be taking a gun.

There's no way Mr. Tricycle would have the courage, strength or
endurance to do this ride.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 9:31:16 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/21/2023 4:40 AM, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:09:07?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass displayed his 4th grade reading comprehension :
> >>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:15:06 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 6:46:29?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 02:41:34 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:07:12?AM UTC-4, Floriduh dumbass wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:45:16 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:30:59?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Frank, you cannot help that you are a creepy coward and that the very thought of a gun sends chills up and down your spine ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The cowards are the ones afraid to leave their homes or ride their bikes without a gun.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In my opinion, the real cowards are the people who are afraid to have
> >>>>>>> a gun in their home...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So a person who has enough self-confidence and trust to realize they don't need fire arm for protection is a coward.....Typical floriduh logic.
> >>>>> <EYEROLL> Trust in what, Dummy?
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, right, I forgot, You live in such a state of constant fear that you have no trust in anyone including yourself.
> >>> <SNORT> Trust myself? ......to do what?
> >>>
> >>> ...and who or what do you think a person should trust to protect them?
> >>>>> ...and in my opinion, only a total moron would claim that
> >>>>> self-confidence alone is a defensive strategy.
> >>>>
> >>>> And only a total moron (aka, a floriduh dumbass) would would get that from what I wrote.
> >>> Well, that exactly what you did write, Dummy.
> >>
> >> lol...sure, dumbass, and "the AR-15 was a weapon the military never wonted and never used"....HAH!
> >
> > That depends on which "AR" you are talking about, doesn't it. the
> > Military never even considered the AR Civilian version :-) And Yes
> > there were factions in the Military that opposed the original AR, just
> > as historically there has always been pro and con factions regarding
> > any new thing. There was a factions that opposed the M-1 Garand -
> > shoots too fast, have to carry too much ammunition,
> >
> And, as Mr Stoner noted, M1 cartridges make a soldier's load
> heavier besides the Garand mass itself.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a953110.pdf

"The development of the AR15 rifle, was initiated in mid-1957 by Mr. Eugene Stoner of the Armalite Corporation, Costa Mesa, California, in response to a verbal request from General Wyman. The request, also made to other gun manufacturers, was for a new light-weight infantry rifle chambered for high velocity caliber .22 cartridges, The general specifications were: a maximum loaded weight of six pounds; a capability of firing semiautomatic or full automatic; a killing power equal to or better than that of the Ml (Garand) rifle up to 500 yards; and a capability of penetrating a steel helmet or standard body armor at 500 yards."

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