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 by: StarDust - Mon, 15 Aug 2022 23:16 UTC

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Re: True!!!!

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Subject: Re: True!!!!
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 by: palsing - Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:27 UTC

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 4:16:06 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299303028_554737539773704_6760703491700836808_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ms9vLC2NvFIAX_zyskB&tn=xoplSo8qeDVgsuXl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-OFZWpQGi2nARLyZmFRNC_c6U4e8qQ_X1-3rUzLDDW4A&oe=62FFCA3A

It is not like the US spends much on NASA to begin with...

https://www.vox.com/2015/3/24/8279745/space-budget-nasa

https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/nasas-fy-2020-budget

"NASA's budget in fiscal year (FY) 2020 is $22.629 billion which represents 0.48% of all U.S. government spending." That is 1/2 of 1 percent for the mathematically challenged!

.... and the spinoff technology has powered the economy for many decades...

https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/blog/nasa-spinoffs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&rlz=1C1GTPM_enUS1017US1018&sxsrf=ALiCzsZL8ssrqUrRsRxsB5RDbDZK_mNSeA%3A1660609389572&ei=beP6YozMIpuyqtsP4qm52AI&ved=0ahUKEwjMtpqGjMr5AhUbmWoFHeJUDisQ4dUDCA4&oq=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgjELACECc6BQgAEIYDOgQIIRAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUMkKWIsaYJ0xaAFwAXgAgAGjAYgBjAiSAQMwLjiYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

Re: True!!!!

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Subject: Re: True!!!!
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 by: StarDust - Tue, 16 Aug 2022 02:58 UTC

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-7, palsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 4:16:06 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> > https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299303028_554737539773704_6760703491700836808_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ms9vLC2NvFIAX_zyskB&tn=xoplSo8qeDVgsuXl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-OFZWpQGi2nARLyZmFRNC_c6U4e8qQ_X1-3rUzLDDW4A&oe=62FFCA3A
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> It is not like the US spends much on NASA to begin with...
>
> https://www.vox.com/2015/3/24/8279745/space-budget-nasa
>
> https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/nasas-fy-2020-budget
>
> "NASA's budget in fiscal year (FY) 2020 is $22.629 billion which represents 0.48% of all U.S. government spending." That is 1/2 of 1 percent for the mathematically challenged!
>
> ... and the spinoff technology has powered the economy for many decades....
>
> https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/blog/nasa-spinoffs
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&rlz=1C1GTPM_enUS1017US1018&sxsrf=ALiCzsZL8ssrqUrRsRxsB5RDbDZK_mNSeA%3A1660609389572&ei=beP6YozMIpuyqtsP4qm52AI&ved=0ahUKEwjMtpqGjMr5AhUbmWoFHeJUDisQ4dUDCA4&oq=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgjELACECc6BQgAEIYDOgQIIRAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUMkKWIsaYJ0xaAFwAXgAgAGjAYgBjAiSAQMwLjiYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

I'm still using oil lamps and ride horses!
😀😎

Re: True!!!!

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 by: StarDust - Tue, 16 Aug 2022 04:09 UTC

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 5:27:36 PM UTC-7, palsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 4:16:06 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> > https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299303028_554737539773704_6760703491700836808_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ms9vLC2NvFIAX_zyskB&tn=xoplSo8qeDVgsuXl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-OFZWpQGi2nARLyZmFRNC_c6U4e8qQ_X1-3rUzLDDW4A&oe=62FFCA3A
>
> It is not like the US spends much on NASA to begin with...
>
> https://www.vox.com/2015/3/24/8279745/space-budget-nasa
>
> https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/nasas-fy-2020-budget
>
> "NASA's budget in fiscal year (FY) 2020 is $22.629 billion which represents 0.48% of all U.S. government spending." That is 1/2 of 1 percent for the mathematically challenged!
>
> ... and the spinoff technology has powered the economy for many decades....
>
> https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/blog/nasa-spinoffs
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&rlz=1C1GTPM_enUS1017US1018&sxsrf=ALiCzsZL8ssrqUrRsRxsB5RDbDZK_mNSeA%3A1660609389572&ei=beP6YozMIpuyqtsP4qm52AI&ved=0ahUKEwjMtpqGjMr5AhUbmWoFHeJUDisQ4dUDCA4&oq=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgjELACECc6BQgAEIYDOgQIIRAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUMkKWIsaYJ0xaAFwAXgAgAGjAYgBjAiSAQMwLjiYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

The Man Who Transformed the Desert Into a Forest by Planting Trees for 40 Years
https://historyofyesterday.com/the-man-who-transformed-the-desert-into-a-forest-by-planting-trees-for-40-years-f5f1d244f0f4

Re: True!!!!

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 by: Quadibloc - Tue, 16 Aug 2022 05:11 UTC

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:27:36 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
> It is not like the US spends much on NASA to begin with...

Oh, that's true.

It isn't an either or. Sure we need to plant more trees and otherwise
work at fighting global warming.
But that doesn't mean giving up progress and exploration.

John Savard

Re: True!!!!

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 by: W - Tue, 16 Aug 2022 10:56 UTC

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 7:16:06 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
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--

Trees will eventually block your view of Mars, along with other objects that tend to inhabit the southern part of the sky.

Re: True!!!!

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 by: Chris L Peterson - Tue, 16 Aug 2022 14:25 UTC

On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:27:35 -0700 (PDT), palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 4:16:06 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
>> https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299303028_554737539773704_6760703491700836808_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ms9vLC2NvFIAX_zyskB&tn=xoplSo8qeDVgsuXl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-OFZWpQGi2nARLyZmFRNC_c6U4e8qQ_X1-3rUzLDDW4A&oe=62FFCA3A
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>It is not like the US spends much on NASA to begin with...
>
>https://www.vox.com/2015/3/24/8279745/space-budget-nasa
>
>https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/nasas-fy-2020-budget
>
>"NASA's budget in fiscal year (FY) 2020 is $22.629 billion which represents 0.48% of all U.S. government spending." That is 1/2 of 1 percent for the mathematically challenged!
>
>... and the spinoff technology has powered the economy for many decades...
>
>https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/blog/nasa-spinoffs
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies
>
>https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&rlz=1C1GTPM_enUS1017US1018&sxsrf=ALiCzsZL8ssrqUrRsRxsB5RDbDZK_mNSeA%3A1660609389572&ei=beP6YozMIpuyqtsP4qm52AI&ved=0ahUKEwjMtpqGjMr5AhUbmWoFHeJUDisQ4dUDCA4&oq=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgjELACECc6BQgAEIYDOgQIIRAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUMkKWIsaYJ0xaAFwAXgAgAGjAYgBjAiSAQMwLjiYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

Money invested in primary scientific research has always been a good
investment. It has always returned far more than it cost. In every
field.

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:11:06 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:27:36 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
>> It is not like the US spends much on NASA to begin with...
>
>Oh, that's true.
>
>It isn't an either or. Sure we need to plant more trees and otherwise
>work at fighting global warming.
>But that doesn't mean giving up progress and exploration.

Yeah, taking from one to pay for the other if false economy.
Scientific research is an investment with positive returns. We could
be spending more and making more. And money invested in climate change
mitigation reduces the costs we will incur in the future, so also
needs to be viewed as a positive investment, where the more we spend
now, the greater our returns.

And it's not like we don't have the public resources to make those
investments.

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 by: StarDust - Tue, 16 Aug 2022 23:40 UTC

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 3:56:20 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 7:16:06 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
> > https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299303028_554737539773704_6760703491700836808_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ms9vLC2NvFIAX_zyskB&tn=xoplSo8qeDVgsuXl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-OFZWpQGi2nARLyZmFRNC_c6U4e8qQ_X1-3rUzLDDW4A&oe=62FFCA3A
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> --
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> Trees will eventually block your view of Mars, along with other objects that tend to inhabit the southern part of the sky.

Sounds good to me!!!
😎

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On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 7:26:03 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:27:35 -0700 (PDT), palsing <pnal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 4:16:06 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
> >> https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299303028_554737539773704_6760703491700836808_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ms9vLC2NvFIAX_zyskB&tn=xoplSo8qeDVgsuXl&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-OFZWpQGi2nARLyZmFRNC_c6U4e8qQ_X1-3rUzLDDW4A&oe=62FFCA3A
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> >It is not like the US spends much on NASA to begin with...
> >
> >https://www.vox.com/2015/3/24/8279745/space-budget-nasa
> >
> >https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/nasas-fy-2020-budget
> >
> >"NASA's budget in fiscal year (FY) 2020 is $22.629 billion which represents 0.48% of all U.S. government spending." That is 1/2 of 1 percent for the mathematically challenged!
> >
> >... and the spinoff technology has powered the economy for many decades....
> >
> >https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/blog/nasa-spinoffs
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies
> >
> >https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&rlz=1C1GTPM_enUS1017US1018&sxsrf=ALiCzsZL8ssrqUrRsRxsB5RDbDZK_mNSeA%3A1660609389572&ei=beP6YozMIpuyqtsP4qm52AI&ved=0ahUKEwjMtpqGjMr5AhUbmWoFHeJUDisQ4dUDCA4&oq=list+of+space+exploration+spinoffs&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgjELACECc6BQgAEIYDOgQIIRAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUMkKWIsaYJ0xaAFwAXgAgAGjAYgBjAiSAQMwLjiYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz
> Money invested in primary scientific research has always been a good
> investment. It has always returned far more than it cost. In every
> field.

You are too logical, that's your problem!
What is money, which created from thin air, but controls everything?

The logical song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytY72Uq3dS8

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On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 5:48:03 PM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 7:26:03 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

> > Money invested in primary scientific research has always been a good
> > investment. It has always returned far more than it cost. In every
> > field.

> You are too logical, that's your problem!
> What is money, which created from thin air, but controls everything?

1) Being logical is not a problem. It helps one find correct answers to
questions, and correct solutions to problems.

2) Money may be an abstraction. Hard work is not. Physical resources,
like water, energy, wood, metals and food are not. So that people can
effectively exchange these valuable items in a convenient manner,
exchanging what they have, but do not need, for what they need, we
invented money. So the fact that money _is_ an invention doesn't mean
it's... less real.

John Savard

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On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 5:07:25 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 5:48:03 PM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 7:26:03 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
> > > Money invested in primary scientific research has always been a good
> > > investment. It has always returned far more than it cost. In every
> > > field.
>
> > You are too logical, that's your problem!
> > What is money, which created from thin air, but controls everything?
> 1) Being logical is not a problem. It helps one find correct answers to
> questions, and correct solutions to problems.
>
> 2) Money may be an abstraction. Hard work is not. Physical resources,
> like water, energy, wood, metals and food are not. So that people can
> effectively exchange these valuable items in a convenient manner,
> exchanging what they have, but do not need, for what they need, we
> invented money. So the fact that money _is_ an invention doesn't mean
> it's... less real.
>
> John Savard

It's like opening a Pandora box, you find answers and solutions to one problem , but creating 10 others.
Never ending loop!
Catch 22!

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