If accretion disk material falls straight into
the event horizon it would be trapped.
This shows BH gravity is too strong to
let Jet material out at the poles. But we know there is
an alternative. That is the neutron star
with its limited strongest gravity that would
allow jets instead.

On 4/10/2022 6:31 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> If accretion disk material falls straight into
> the event horizon it would be trapped.

But obviously it doesn't, Roy.

> This shows BH gravity is too strong to
> let Jet material out at the poles.

Since you assumed a falsehood, nothing is shown, Roy.

> But we know there is
> an alternative.

Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
disk orbits the black hole.

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> If accretion disk material falls straight into
> the event horizon it would be trapped.
> This shows BH gravity is too strong to
> let Jet material out at the poles. But we know there is
> an alternative. That is the neutron star
> with its limited strongest gravity that would
> allow jets instead.

Mitch, I have seen your Bat Light shinning against the pitch black sky of ignorance. I am here now. Have no fear.

Yes, I agree. BHs do not exist. I was just consulting the wiki articles on gravitational lensing. The twin quasars look pretty normal to me. You have to be told that you seeing gravitational lensing. Otherwise it is far from apparent. And the wiki article on gravitational lensing uses cgi to make its point, there being no actual visual examples of it.

So yes Mitch, you are safe from the BHs. Robkin and I are returning to the Bat Cave.

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:17:15 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If accretion disk material falls straight into
> > the event horizon it would be trapped.
> > This shows BH gravity is too strong to
> > let Jet material out at the poles. But we know there is
> > an alternative. That is the neutron star
> > with its limited strongest gravity that would
> > allow jets instead.
> Mitch, I have seen your Bat Light shinning against the pitch black sky of ignorance. I am here now. Have no fear.
>
> Yes, I agree. BHs do not exist. I was just consulting the wiki articles on gravitational lensing. The twin quasars look pretty normal to me. You have to be told that you seeing gravitational lensing. Otherwise it is far from apparent. And the wiki article on gravitational lensing uses cgi to make its point, there being no actual visual examples of it.
>
> So yes Mitch, you are safe from the BHs. Robkin and I are returning to the Bat Cave.

Neutronium gravity is real and I don't fear it...

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/10/2022 6:31 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If accretion disk material falls straight into
> > the event horizon it would be trapped.
> But obviously it doesn't, Roy.
Then a black hole is not a black hole...
> > This shows BH gravity is too strong to
> > let Jet material out at the poles.
> Since you assumed a falsehood, nothing is shown, Roy.
> > But we know there is
> > an alternative.
> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
> disk orbits the black hole.
It needs to fall into the BH.
Where else does jet material arrive from than the disk?
The alternative of maximum gravity is a neutron star...
It is a gravity look a like to a BH. But there are no BHs.

Mitchell Raemsch

On 4/11/2022 3:35 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/10/2022 6:31 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> If accretion disk material falls straight into
>>> the event horizon it would be trapped.
>> But obviously it doesn't, Roy.
> Then a black hole is not a black hole...
>>> This shows BH gravity is too strong to
>>> let Jet material out at the poles.
>> Since you assumed a falsehood, nothing is shown, Roy.
>>> But we know there is
>>> an alternative.
>> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
>> disk orbits the black hole.
> It needs to fall into the BH.

No, Roy, if it falls into the black hole it never gets out. Even
without the the theory astronomers have, it is plainly obvious the jet
matter could never have entered the black hole in the first place.

> Where else does jet material arrive from than the disk?

It comes from the accretion disk, Roy.

> The alternative of maximum gravity is a neutron star...

There are many known objects which simply cannot be neutron stars. They
are much too compact or massive to exist as neutron stars.

Michael Moroney wrote:

>>> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
>>> disk orbits the black hole.
>> It needs to fall into the BH.
>
> No, Roy, if it falls into the black hole it never gets out. Even
> without the the theory astronomers have, it is plainly obvious the jet
> matter could never have entered the black hole in the first place.

so true, even as the blackhole would evaporate and disappear, those things
will "never get out".

Codi Hisamatsu wrote:
>
> Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> >>> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
> >>> disk orbits the black hole.
> >> It needs to fall into the BH.
> >
> > No, Roy, if it falls into the black hole it never gets out. Even
> > without the the theory astronomers have, it is plainly obvious the jet
> > matter could never have entered the black hole in the first place.
>
> so true, even as the blackhole would evaporate and disappear, those things
> will "never get out".

out of where?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Codi Hisamatsu wrote:
> >
> > Michael Moroney wrote:
> >
> > >>> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
> > >>> disk orbits the black hole.
> > >> It needs to fall into the BH.
> > >
> > > No, Roy, if it falls into the black hole it never gets out. Even
> > > without the the theory astronomers have, it is plainly obvious the jet
> > > matter could never have entered the black hole in the first place.
> >
> > so true, even as the blackhole would evaporate and disappear, those things
> > will "never get out".
>
> out of where?
>

certaintly there must be a ....Where.

"never get out"....out of where??

Where is it at?

Where?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:11:54 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/11/2022 3:35 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/10/2022 6:31 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> If accretion disk material falls straight into
> >>> the event horizon it would be trapped.
> >> But obviously it doesn't, Roy.
> > Then a black hole is not a black hole...
> >>> This shows BH gravity is too strong to
> >>> let Jet material out at the poles.
> >> Since you assumed a falsehood, nothing is shown, Roy.
> >>> But we know there is
> >>> an alternative.
> >> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
> >> disk orbits the black hole.
> > It needs to fall into the BH.
> No, Roy, if it falls into the black hole it never gets out. Even
> without the the theory astronomers have, it is plainly obvious the jet
> matter could never have entered the black hole in the first place.
> > Where else does jet material arrive from than the disk?
> It comes from the accretion disk, Roy.

But that disk material falls directly into the event horizon
getting trapped and could not become a jet you moronee...
But a neutron star would allow jets... not BHs.
Your BHs are a mistake . They are really the next
gravity to them or gravitational neutronium.

Mitchell Raemsch

> > The alternative of maximum gravity is a neutron star...
> There are many known objects which simply cannot be neutron stars. They
> are much too compact or massive to exist as neutron stars.

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 8:49:21 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Codi Hisamatsu wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
> > > >>> disk orbits the black hole.
> > > >> It needs to fall into the BH.
> > > >
> > > > No, Roy, if it falls into the black hole it never gets out. Even
> > > > without the the theory astronomers have, it is plainly obvious the jet
> > > > matter could never have entered the black hole in the first place.
> > >
> > > so true, even as the blackhole would evaporate and disappear, those things
> > > will "never get out".
> >
> > out of where?
> >
> certaintly there must be a ....Where.
>
> "never get out"....out of where??
>
>
> Where is it at?
>
> Where?

Did you forget the topic star farter?

> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge
> the unchallengeable.

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:17:15 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If accretion disk material falls straight into
> > the event horizon it would be trapped.
> > This shows BH gravity is too strong to
> > let Jet material out at the poles. But we know there is
> > an alternative. That is the neutron star
> > with its limited strongest gravity that would
> > allow jets instead.
> Mitch, I have seen your Bat Light shinning against the pitch black sky of ignorance. I am here now. Have no fear.
>
> Yes, I agree. BHs do not exist. I was just consulting the wiki articles on gravitational lensing. The twin quasars look pretty normal to me. You have to be told that you seeing gravitational lensing. Otherwise it is far from apparent. And the wiki article on gravitational lensing uses cgi to make its point, there being no actual visual examples of it.
>
> So yes Mitch, you are safe from the BHs. Robkin and I are returning to the Bat Cave.

Quasars are not in a special place. There is no edge of the closed universe..
Quasars are equally distributed in the universe and have the highest gravity redshift.
How can you tell the difference between gravity red shift and cosmological if
they mix together?

On 4/14/2022 1:40 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:11:54 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/11/2022 3:35 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 4/10/2022 6:31 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> If accretion disk material falls straight into
>>>>> the event horizon it would be trapped.
>>>> But obviously it doesn't, Roy.
>>> Then a black hole is not a black hole...
>>>>> This shows BH gravity is too strong to
>>>>> let Jet material out at the poles.
>>>> Since you assumed a falsehood, nothing is shown, Roy.
>>>>> But we know there is
>>>>> an alternative.
>>>> Yes, the alternate to your false belief is the matter in the accretion
>>>> disk orbits the black hole.
>>> It needs to fall into the BH.
>> No, Roy, if it falls into the black hole it never gets out. Even
>> without the the theory astronomers have, it is plainly obvious the jet
>> matter could never have entered the black hole in the first place.
>>> Where else does jet material arrive from than the disk?
>> It comes from the accretion disk, Roy.
>
> But that disk material falls directly into the event horizon

Roy, I just told you that it does not fall directly in.

> getting trapped and could not become a jet you moronee...
> But a neutron star would allow jets... not BHs.
> Your BHs are a mistake . They are really the next

Since you base your belief on a false assumption, it is wrong.

> gravity to them or gravitational neutronium.

No such thing as neutronium outside of science fiction, Roy.