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* Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ
+* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Dirk Van de moortel
|+* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Maciej Wozniak
||`- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Ross A. Finlayson
|+- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Philip Crain
|+- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Philip Crain
|+* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Richard Hertz
||`- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Beau Hayashida
|`* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?J. J. Lodder
| `- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Maciej Wozniak
+- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Philip Crain
+* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Richard Hertz
|`- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Dono.
+* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Dono.
|+- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Aldo
|`- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?J. J. Lodder
`* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Richard Hachel
 `* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Odd Bodkin
  `* Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Richard Hachel
   `- Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?Odd Bodkin

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 by: ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ - Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:56 UTC

I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.

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 by: Dirk Van de moortel - Sun, 23 Jan 2022 17:19 UTC

Op 23-jan.-2022 om 17:56 schreef ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ:
> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.

This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to
lure cranks and trolls away from sci.physics.
A remarkable success.

Dirk Vdm

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 by: Philip Crain - Sun, 23 Jan 2022 17:24 UTC

ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ wrote:

> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued
> with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO
> interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.

you are coming here insulting genuine posters, you disgusting piece of
shit. I spit on shit.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 23 Jan 2022 18:54 UTC

On Sunday, 23 January 2022 at 18:19:53 UTC+1, Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
> Op 23-jan.-2022 om 17:56 schreef ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ:
> > I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.
> This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to
> lure cranks and trolls away from sci.physics.
> A remarkable success.

Like everything relativists touch. Anybody can check
sci.physics and look if there are any cranks there.

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 by: Philip Crain - Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:52 UTC

Dirk Van de moortel wrote:

> Op 23-jan.-2022 om 17:56 schreef ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ:
>> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued
>> with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO
>> interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.
>
> This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to

enough stuff indicting these stinking capitalists, to hang them legally,
in this documentary.

- bill gaytes at 01:20 something "and another aspect with a intentionally
pandemic, (corrected to) bio terrorism, etc". The imbecile is admitting
what he does, in plain english.

O mana de psihopati care va decid destinele (a hand of psychos)
https://www.brighteon.com/56c810f2-a4ed-4d00-8bb6-43b5e8b2bd95

- the asian bitch from WHO "when the governments control the disease on
TV, thing are OK, we shall not allow this to happen"

- reduce the size of the humans and babies with a 20% which would give a
25% carbon2 reduction. etc

- the "super human" cyborgs, they forgot what happened 1933 with the
ubermenschen.

- carbon taxing the number of calories you intake.

That's why they terminated the communist party, socialist, anarchist, the
unions etc, so people can't organize as they do. The bankers don't want
people organized. That's where overpaid fake money leads op to.

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 by: Philip Crain - Sun, 23 Jan 2022 20:08 UTC

Dirk Van de moortel wrote:

> Op 23-jan.-2022 om 17:56 schreef ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ:
>> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued
>> with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO
>> interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.
>
> This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to

enough stuff indicting these stinking capitalists, to hang them legally,
in this documentary.

- bill gaytes at 01:20 something

"and another aspect with a *intentionally_pandemic*, (corrected to)
*bio_terrorism*, it will not be something like ebola, but it will be in
the *flu_type_category*".

Aka, killing in billions in the "flu type category". Hang this son of a
bitch.

O mana de psihopati care va decid destinele (a hand of psychos)
https://www.brighteon.com/56c810f2-a4ed-4d00-8bb6-43b5e8b2bd95

excellent documentary. The guys recording it, are surely shitting in
their pants now, so they release everything.

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On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 10:54:59 AM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 23 January 2022 at 18:19:53 UTC+1, Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
> > Op 23-jan.-2022 om 17:56 schreef ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ:
> > > I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.
> > This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to
> > lure cranks and trolls away from sci.physics.
> > A remarkable success.
> Like everything relativists touch. Anybody can check
> sci.physics and look if there are any cranks there.

You mention sci.math and there's not much left of it
and you mention sci.physics.relativity and there's
not much left of it, but at the same time,
you'll still find somebody like me who formalized standard infinitesimals,
and defends that, and it makes for foundations, something mathematics
needs to be more complete. (And not less consistent.)

If you ignore retro-finitists of the sort "infinity is not a thing" like WM, AP, JG,
there aren't really any more cranks than that, on sci.math.

It's similar with physics, basically most those who reject the existing are cranks,
and the others aren't really more cranks.

For mathematics and physics both there's a usual notion of the best theory
and the most resulting.

Anyways reading this kind of forum demands the
ability to actually more or less know alreay what
mathematics "is" and physics "is", while a usual
spitting out the crankery (or for that matter dogma)
is read off as mis- or un-informative.

Then, Burse might be a bot, because behind the screen of participation
he could be anything, but: Burse is not much a crank.

Now, will ever anything grow from this forum to where it's
actually "part of science", "part of mathematics"?

If it did, one might imagine it swam up from a sea of cranks.

Relativity is kind of a special realm for cranks. Here it's so that the
GPS system, basically is guided, from an Earth-centric "Parameterized
Post Newtonian", and the clocks on GPS satellites use relativistic
effects to determine their drift, not their dead-reckoning, as well
advising contractions, in region of space, for a theory that explains
relativity with space contraction.

Anyways if you ignore the cranks there's quite less content.

Then, if you're actually interested in news of physics, is that
the theories of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity and the
Standard Model of particle physics mostly comprises physics
today, and, the way QM and SR/GR are written, they end up
disagreeing 120 orders of magnitude, i.e. 1 and 120 zeroes.
Then, if you already know that and already are informed of
the physics and what would be news in it, bringing QM its
varieties and an SR and a GR, the Standard Model and ...
a gravity: that's the outlook of "a theory called physics".

(Which I point out as a fall gravity or freefall gravity.)

For mathematics it is similar, physics needs more mathematics of
the infinite and infinitesimals, to define enough mathematics
for modern physics.

So, if you'd actually write some mathematics or physics,
then it wouldn't be full of cranks and troills.

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On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 1:56:18 PM UTC-3, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ wrote:
> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.

You forgot two other kind of specimens: mentally impaired persons and full time relativists.

Sorry, actually is only one traditional kind: full time relativists.

Full time relativists are the worst of all: troll serious people here, debate for hours with no closure and, mostly, heavyweight cranks
with fossilized brains where no synapses can happen.

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On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 2:17:17 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 1:56:18 PM UTC-3, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ wrote:
> > I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.
> You forgot two other kind of specimens: mentally impaired persons

....like Richard Hertz, the despicable kapo

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On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 8:56:18 AM UTC-8, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ wrote:
> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls,

Your interesting thread disappeared, perhaps you deleted it.
Anyways, the answer to your question is that in SR acceleration is no longer parallel to the force. This is due to the non linear (hyperbolic) dependency of the momentum of speed.

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On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-3, Dirk Van de moortel wrote:

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> This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to
> lure cranks and trolls away from sci.physics.
> A remarkable success.
>
> Dirk Vdm

No, Dork. It was created to clean sci.physics group from the metaphysics of relativity, which was rotting the nature of
the original group: to deal with REAL stuff in physics, no shitty para-science.

A remarkable success, as it contained imbeciles like you here, for decades.

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 by: Aldo - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 07:02 UTC

El jueves, 14 de abril de 2022 a las 18:35:13 UTC-5, Dono. escribió:
> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 8:56:18 AM UTC-8, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ wrote:
> > I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks and trolls,
> Your interesting thread disappeared, perhaps you deleted it.
> Anyways, the answer to your question is that in SR acceleration is no longer parallel to the force. This is due to the non linear (hyperbolic) dependency of the momentum of speed.
Indeed, I deleted it, because I had already asked the question in other sites like physics stackexchange. Thank you for your answer anyway.

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Richard Hertz wrote:

>> Dirk Vdm
>
> No, Dork. It was created to clean sci.physics group from the metaphysics
> of relativity, which was rotting the nature of the original group: to
> deal with REAL stuff in physics, no shitty para-science.
>
> A remarkable success, as it contained imbeciles like you here, for
> decades.

indeed. He still believes in he manned moon landing. He made a jerk of
himself, trying to ridicules the ones exposing the fraud.

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Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 8:56:18 AM UTC-8, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ wrote:
> > I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued
> > with cranks and trolls,
> >
> Your interesting thread disappeared, perhaps you deleted it. Anyways, the
> answer to your question is that in SR acceleration is no longer parallel
> to the force. This is due to the non linear (hyperbolic) dependency of the
> momentum of speed.

That's because you are looking at the wrong 'acceleration',
and the wrong 'force'.
Do it right, and you do get F = m a, just like with Newton.
but now with four-vectors F and a, and m a scalar.

The cause of your error is differentiation with respect to coordinate
time, while you should differentiate wrt proper time,

Jan

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Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> wrote:

> Op 23-jan.-2022 om 17:56 schreef ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ:
> > I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued
> > with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO
> > interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.
> >
> This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to
> lure cranks and trolls away from sci.physics.
> A remarkable success.

And it takes very little in the way of care and feeding,

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 11:17 UTC

> Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvand...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Op 23-jan.-2022 om 17:56 schreef ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ:
> > > I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued
> > > with cranks and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO
> > > interesting, worthful post of any scientist or mathematician.
> > >
> > This group sci.physics.relativity was specifically created to
> > lure cranks and trolls away from sci.physics.
> > A remarkable success.

sci.physics is bustling with trolls, it's even worse that here.
But for a relativistic idiot it's always a success, whatever he did
or intended.

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 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 13:48 UTC

Le 23/01/2022 à 18:56, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ a écrit :
> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks
> and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of
> any scientist or mathematician.

I who am the greatest of men, I read them.

I am not immune to finding a pearl or an interesting idea there.

The good God is hidden in the details.

R.H.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 13:50 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Le 23/01/2022 à 18:56, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ a écrit :
>> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks
>> and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post of
>> any scientist or mathematician.
>
> I who am the greatest of men,

Physician, heal thyself.

> I read them.
>
> I am not immune to finding a pearl or an interesting idea there.
>
> The good God is hidden in the details.
>
> R.H.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 13:59 UTC

Le 15/04/2022 à 15:50, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>> Le 23/01/2022 à 18:56, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ a écrit :
>>> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks
>>>
>>> and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post
>>> of
>>> any scientist or mathematician.
>>
>> I who am the greatest of men,
>
> Physician, heal thyself.
>
>> I read them.
>>
>> I am not immune to finding a pearl or an interesting idea there.
>>
>> The good God is hidden in the details.
>>
>> R.H.
>>

You have to go deep into things.

And don't be shy about questioning a seven-year-old on a criminal trail.

He may have seen things.

R.H.

Re: Why is this Newsgroup full of cranks and trolls?

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:32 UTC

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Le 15/04/2022 à 15:50, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
>> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 23/01/2022 à 18:56, ALDO MAYME MARTINEZ a écrit :
>>>> I want to know why sci.physics.relativity, like sci.math are plagued with cranks
>>>>
>>>> and trolls, and debates that lead nowhere. I see NO interesting, worthful post
>>>> of
>>>> any scientist or mathematician.
>>>
>>> I who am the greatest of men,
>>
>> Physician, heal thyself.
>>
>>> I read them.
>>>
>>> I am not immune to finding a pearl or an interesting idea there.
>>>
>>> The good God is hidden in the details.
>>>
>>> R.H.
>>>
>
> You have to go deep into things.
>
> And don't be shy about questioning a seven-year-old on a criminal trail.

If the seven-year-old declares himself to be the greatest of children, I’m
not going to believe a damn thing he says he’s seen.

>
> He may have seen things.
>
> R.H.
>

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Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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