So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?

Tia

On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
>
> Tia
>

Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
(slimmer) tire brand:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
> >
> > Tia
> >
> Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
> (slimmer) tire brand:
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a straight wheel would rub the chainstay.

Lou

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:09:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > > So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
> > >
> > > Tia
> > >
> > Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
> > (slimmer) tire brand:
> > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a straight wheel would rub the chainstay.
>
> Lou

From what I can remember all of the bikes I rode with 21 mm tires could easily take a 23. I would suggest that the bike has to long horizontal rear dropouts and that the wheel is way too far forward.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:09:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides
>>>> wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the
>>>> chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i
>>>> think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
>>>>
>>>> Tia
>>>>
>>> Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
>>> (slimmer) tire brand:
>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a
>> straight wheel would rub the chainstay.
>>
>> Lou
>
> From what I can remember all of the bikes I rode with 21 mm tires could
> easily take a 23. I would suggest that the bike has to long horizontal
> rear dropouts and that the wheel is way too far forward.
>

Something is up, as even then bikes took 23mm at least without rubbing.

OP check wear is even and wheel is mounted correctly, I’d personally not
ride a bike that tight. Could try some photos? So folks can see? Or
possibly see if a local bike shop can solve.

But rubbing shouldn’t be happening even if it had wider rims as modern
wheels tend to be.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-6, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > > So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
> > >
> > > Tia
> > >
> > Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
> > (slimmer) tire brand:
> > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a straight wheel would rub the chainstay.
>
> Lou

Lou,
When you look at it, there is a little bit of clearance, and the wheel is perfectly straight. But after riding it I can see the scuff marks on the chainstay.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 1:24:29 PM UTC-6, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:09:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay.. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
> > > >
> > > > Tia
> > > >
> > > Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
> > > (slimmer) tire brand:
> > > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a straight wheel would rub the chainstay.
> >
> > Lou
> From what I can remember all of the bikes I rode with 21 mm tires could easily take a 23. I would suggest that the bike has to long horizontal rear dropouts and that the wheel is way too far forward.

Not horizontal, vertical.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:57:19 PM UTC+2, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-6, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay.. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
> > > >
> > > > Tia
> > > >
> > > Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
> > > (slimmer) tire brand:
> > > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a straight wheel would rub the chainstay.
> >
> > Lou
> Lou,
> When you look at it, there is a little bit of clearance, and the wheel is perfectly straight. But after riding it I can see the scuff marks on the chainstay.

On both chainstays? Does the wheel deflect when you ride out of the saddle?

Lou

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 2:20:51 PM UTC-6, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 9:57:19 PM UTC+2, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-6, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tia
> > > > >
> > > > Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
> > > > (slimmer) tire brand:
> > > > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a straight wheel would rub the chainstay.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Lou,
> > When you look at it, there is a little bit of clearance, and the wheel is perfectly straight. But after riding it I can see the scuff marks on the chainstay.
> On both chainstays? Does the wheel deflect when you ride out of the saddle?
>
> Lou

Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides. I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to post pics and video.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:58:29 PM UTC-7, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 1:24:29 PM UTC-6, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:09:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:15:48 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 8/2/2023 11:59 AM, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tia
> > > > >
> > > > Probably not a crisis but I would change to another
> > > > (slimmer) tire brand:
> > > > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/brknaxle.jpg
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > I have/had close clearance bikes but not one where a 23 mm tire on a straight wheel would rub the chainstay.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > From what I can remember all of the bikes I rode with 21 mm tires could easily take a 23. I would suggest that the bike has to long horizontal rear dropouts and that the wheel is way too far forward.
> Not horizontal, vertical.

Yes, sorry, I lost track of what bike we were talking about because I don't remember any titanium bikes being so damn tightly spaced.

On 8/2/2023 12:59 PM, andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> So, I finally built and rode the bike with 23mm tires. It rides wonderful. Upon inspection, the rear tire leaves a scuff mark on the chainstay. I don't feel anything when riding. Wheels are true. So i think that contact is minimal. Should I ignore and keep riding? What do you all think?

I wouldn't put up with it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 3/8/23 06:45, andresmuro@aol.com wrote:

> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides. I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to post pics and video.

Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
manufacturing process?

--
JS

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides. I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to post pics and video.
> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
> manufacturing process?
>
> --
> JS

I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under the saddle to hold two spare sewups.

On 8/4/2023 9:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
>> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides. I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to post pics and video.
>> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
>> manufacturing process?
>>
>> --
>> JS
>
> I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under the saddle to hold two spare sewups.
>
You probably meant tubulars.
Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/4/2023 9:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
> >> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides. I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to post pics and video.
> >> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
> >> manufacturing process?
> >>
> >> --
> >> JS
> >
> > I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under the saddle to hold two spare sewups.
> >
> You probably meant tubulars.
> Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I should have said Sewups so as not to confuse.

On 8/4/2023 11:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/4/2023 9:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
>>> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides.
>>>> I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to
>>>> post pics and video.
>>> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
>>> manufacturing process?
>>>
>>> --
>>> JS
>>
>> I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were
>> for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite
>> some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to
>> fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick
>> the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under
>> the saddle to hold two spare sewups.
>>
> You probably meant tubulars.
> Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'.

I was in a bike shop yesterday, and a woman came in saying she got some
flat tires so she wanted to ask about changing to tubeless. I thought to
myself "Don't do it!" and moved out of earshot, as the shop owner began
slowly explaining that it was not a simple choice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:52:02 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/4/2023 11:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 8/4/2023 9:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
> >>> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides.
> >>>> I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to
> >>>> post pics and video.
> >>> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
> >>> manufacturing process?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> JS
> >>
> >> I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were
> >> for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite
> >> some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to
> >> fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick
> >> the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under
> >> the saddle to hold two spare sewups.
> >>
> > You probably meant tubulars.
> > Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'.
> I was in a bike shop yesterday, and a woman came in saying she got some
> flat tires so she wanted to ask about changing to tubeless. I thought to
> myself "Don't do it!" and moved out of earshot, as the shop owner began
> slowly explaining that it was not a simple choice.

Frank, what do you know about tubeless and whether it is simple change or not? If she's riding a newer bike they probably have tubeless rims since most of the rims since 2010 are tubeless and you now have to specifically ask for clinchers. Or are you suggesting that changing tires and injecting sealant (today "tubeless tires" do not need sealant and "tubeless ready do") is a difficult changeover? Even putting a tubeless tire on the rims is much easier using a tire jack.

Stop pulling a Liebermann and talking about things you have no experience with and no interest in except appearing to be an expert.

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:34:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:52:02 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 8/4/2023 11:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 8/4/2023 9:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
> > >>> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides.
> > >>>> I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to
> > >>>> post pics and video.
> > >>> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
> > >>> manufacturing process?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> JS
> > >>
> > >> I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were
> > >> for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite
> > >> some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to
> > >> fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick
> > >> the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under
> > >> the saddle to hold two spare sewups.
> > >>
> > > You probably meant tubulars.
> > > Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'.
> > I was in a bike shop yesterday, and a woman came in saying she got some
> > flat tires so she wanted to ask about changing to tubeless. I thought to
> > myself "Don't do it!" and moved out of earshot, as the shop owner began
> > slowly explaining that it was not a simple choice.
> Frank, what do you know about tubeless and whether it is simple change or not? If she's riding a newer bike they probably have tubeless rims since most of the rims since 2010 are tubeless and you now have to specifically ask for clinchers. Or are you suggesting that changing tires and injecting sealant (today "tubeless tires" do not need sealant and "tubeless ready do") is a difficult changeover? Even putting a tubeless tire on the rims is much easier using a tire jack.
>

In https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/jgg5E72fnPs/m/wNBir4-uAQAJ
Andrew Muzi wrote:
"Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'. "

> Stop pulling a Liebermann and talking about things you have no experience with and no interest in except appearing to be an expert.

Take your own advice, asshat.

funkma...@hotmail.com <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:34:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:52:02 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/4/2023 11:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/2023 9:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides.
>>>>>>> I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to
>>>>>>> post pics and video.
>>>>>> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
>>>>>> manufacturing process?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> JS
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were
>>>>> for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite
>>>>> some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to
>>>>> fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick
>>>>> the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under
>>>>> the saddle to hold two spare sewups.
>>>>>
>>>> You probably meant tubulars.
>>>> Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'.
>>> I was in a bike shop yesterday, and a woman came in saying she got some
>>> flat tires so she wanted to ask about changing to tubeless. I thought to
>>> myself "Don't do it!" and moved out of earshot, as the shop owner began
>>> slowly explaining that it was not a simple choice.
>> Frank, what do you know about tubeless and whether it is simple change
>> or not? If she's riding a newer bike they probably have tubeless rims
>> since most of the rims since 2010 are tubeless and you now have to
>> specifically ask for clinchers. Or are you suggesting that changing
>> tires and injecting sealant (today "tubeless tires" do not need sealant
>> and "tubeless ready do") is a difficult changeover? Even putting a
>> tubeless tire on the rims is much easier using a tire jack.
>>
>
> In https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/jgg5E72fnPs/m/wNBir4-uAQAJ
> Andrew Muzi wrote:
> "Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'. "

Lack of punctures roadside, while tubeless works better with more volume
and lower pressures, seems to cope with those small flints etc that like to
deflate one on wet gritty rides in the lanes.

While inner tubes are certainly easier and less maintenance,
fixing/replacing a tube roadside which often seems to be in fairly horrible
weather/worse time for it is certainly more awkward difficult than having
the tire self seal probably without notice sometimes you get a spot of
sealant and a slightly soggy tire.

As to is it worth the extra maintenance and possibly cost? Well that’s up
to folks to ponder themselves.
>
>> Stop pulling a Liebermann and talking about things you have no
>> experience with and no interest in except appearing to be an expert.
>
> Take your own advice, asshat.
>
Roger Merriman

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:41:22 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> funkma...@hotmail.com <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:34:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:52:02 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 8/4/2023 11:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 8/4/2023 9:43 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:59:56 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/8/23 06:45, andre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Only on the non drive side, the clearance is the same on both sides.
> >>>>>>> I suspect that it deflects when I am out of the saddle. I'll try to
> >>>>>>> post pics and video.
> >>>>>> Not just rubs from the little rubber tags left over from the
> >>>>>> manufacturing process?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> JS
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't remember titanium bikes being this tight but steel bikes were
> >>>>> for a while. Remember that they raced 19 mm tubeless tires for quite
> >>>>> some time. I used to ride 21 mm tubeless tires. It is a lot easier to
> >>>>> fix flats when all you need to do is peel the old tire off and stick
> >>>>> the "new" (previously glued) tire on. We used to use a toe strap under
> >>>>> the saddle to hold two spare sewups.
> >>>>>
> >>>> You probably meant tubulars.
> >>>> Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'.
> >>> I was in a bike shop yesterday, and a woman came in saying she got some
> >>> flat tires so she wanted to ask about changing to tubeless. I thought to
> >>> myself "Don't do it!" and moved out of earshot, as the shop owner began
> >>> slowly explaining that it was not a simple choice.
> >> Frank, what do you know about tubeless and whether it is simple change
> >> or not? If she's riding a newer bike they probably have tubeless rims
> >> since most of the rims since 2010 are tubeless and you now have to
> >> specifically ask for clinchers. Or are you suggesting that changing
> >> tires and injecting sealant (today "tubeless tires" do not need sealant
> >> and "tubeless ready do") is a difficult changeover? Even putting a
> >> tubeless tire on the rims is much easier using a tire jack.
> >>
> >
> > In https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/jgg5E72fnPs/m/wNBir4-uAQAJ
> > Andrew Muzi wrote:
> > "Nothing about tubeless road tires could be called 'easier'. "
> Lack of punctures roadside, while tubeless works better with more volume
> and lower pressures, seems to cope with those small flints etc that like to
> deflate one on wet gritty rides in the lanes.
>
> While inner tubes are certainly easier and less maintenance,
> fixing/replacing a tube roadside which often seems to be in fairly horrible
> weather/worse time for it is certainly more awkward difficult than having
> the tire self seal probably without notice sometimes you get a spot of
> sealant and a slightly soggy tire.
>
> As to is it worth the extra maintenance and possibly cost? Well that’s up
> to folks to ponder themselves.
> >
> >> Stop pulling a Liebermann and talking about things you have no
> >> experience with and no interest in except appearing to be an expert.
> >
> > Take your own advice, asshat.
> >
> Roger Merriman

Flunky crawls out from under a rock when he believes he has something particularly clever to say.