JanPB wrote:

> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:39:31 AM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > No sir, a reallyl physical model can be described physically.
>> A physical model is not what you think it is.
>
> It all arises from the standard amateur confusion: they mix science with
> philosophy.

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Le 17/04/2022 à 22:07, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>> Le 17/04/2022 à 17:27, Richard Hertz a écrit :
>>
>>> to recite your daily indoctrinating dogmas.
>>
>> Yes, I most definitely think there are abstract and false dogmas in SR.
>>
>> That's why I would like to be able to explain it in my own way in a
>> clearer, more beautiful, and more obvious way.
>>
>> Can you answer my question asked today about the traveler of Tau Ceti, and
>> give me your answer?
>
> It’s been given to you.

Yes, but I would like to have all the opinions, and in particular those
of the "cranks".

R.H.

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:53:09 PM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote:

> Yes, but I would like to have all the opinions, and in particular those
> of the "cranks".

But Richard, *you* are currently King of the Cranks... and your opinion is essentially worthless... you are just the main entertainment here...

Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>
> >> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> >>>
> >>> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> >>>
> >>> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> >>> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> >>> standing still.
> >>>
> >>> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> >>> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> >>
> >> It’s interesting that your complaint about spacetime is a metaphysical
> >> complaint about reality and volition.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> >>> a science based on logic and reason.
> >>>
> >>> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> >>>
> >>> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> >>> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> >>>
> >>> Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Reason meaning what, exactly?
> >
> > meaning...reasonable effectiveness instead of ...'unreasonable
> > effectiveness'.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Effectiveness toward what?

It seems to be beyond your level of incompetents and will be
incomprehensible to you.

you better off sticking to man made clocks and twins.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

JanPB wrote:
>
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:39:31 AM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 2:14:01 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
> > >> El sábado, 16 de abril de 2022 a las 13:45:21 UTC-4, Richard Hertz escribió:
> > >>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:58:10 PM UTC-3, Paparios wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> <snip>
> > >>>> Good luck with that. Spacetime physics is a very useful model which
> > >>>> has not been falsified in over 117 years.
> > >>> See, Miguelito? That's why you are a significant ignorant. Keep working
> > >>> on your 41th. paper on LAN Networks.
> > >> <Snip lies and nonsense>
> > >>> Young engineers and physicists laugh at people like you, an old
> > >>> brain-wired imbecile. Go back to live in the '70s, Miguelito.
> > >>>
> > >>> You are done here.
> > >> It is you Ricardito, who is lost in a subject you clearly know nothing.
> > >> Both Special Relativity and General Relativity are just physics models
> > >> (the same as all the other physics models). A physic model is a
> > >> collection of human created thoughts which try to model the way Nature
> > >> appears to work. Each physics model has (per definition) a domain of
> > >> applicability where its equations are valid.
> > >
> > > No sir, a reallyl physical model can be described physically.
> > A physical model is not what you think it is.
>
> It all arises from the standard amateur confusion: they mix
> science with philosophy.
>
> --
> Jan

Isn't it the other way around? Science Time is actually philosophy Time.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> Le 17/04/2022 à 22:07, Odd Bodkin a écrit :
>> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 17/04/2022 à 17:27, Richard Hertz a écrit :
>>>
>>>> to recite your daily indoctrinating dogmas.
>>>
>>> Yes, I most definitely think there are abstract and false dogmas in SR.
>>>
>>> That's why I would like to be able to explain it in my own way in a
>>> clearer, more beautiful, and more obvious way.
>>>
>>> Can you answer my question asked today about the traveler of Tau Ceti, and
>>> give me your answer?
>>
>> It’s been given to you.
>
> Yes, but I would like to have all the opinions, and in particular those
> of the "cranks".

To what end, I wonder.

I can imagine that if you find an audience that doesn’t know better,
perhaps you will use that to pontificate on the beauty of ideas you have.

There was a fella here a while back who could not hold a job, but he had a
website in which he advocated himself to be an expert on Time. In support
of his claim that he had studied everything that Einstein said, his website
had a photo of him standing next to a sign with Einstein’s portrait on it.
He said that he was able to impress many people several nights a week at
his favorite pub by his long discourses on the subject of Time.

>
> R.H.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>
>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
>>>>> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
>>>>> standing still.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
>>>>> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
>>>>
>>>> It’s interesting that your complaint about spacetime is a metaphysical
>>>> complaint about reality and volition.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
>>>>> a science based on logic and reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
>>>>> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who will make the first steps toward reason?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reason meaning what, exactly?
>>>
>>> meaning...reasonable effectiveness instead of ...'unreasonable
>>> effectiveness'.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Effectiveness toward what?
>
>
> It seems to be beyond your level of incompetents and will be
> incomprehensible to you.
>
> you better off sticking to man made clocks and twins.
>
>

Every now and again, you try to make a serious comment. When pressed on it,
you collapse like a cotton candy in the rain.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

JanPB wrote:

>> - When black matter and energy "needed to appear" in such time
>> interval, IF IT WAS TRUE. If not, when BM and BE did "appear".
>
> Don't change the subject. You said the spacetime concept was stupid.
> This claim is not *even* wrong.

No, you are in huge error, much indeed. Next stop would be the nazi
shithole named *switserland*, accidentally populated by nazi slavic
immigrants, turned anglo-saxon overnight. Then the nazi Polakia and so on,
*nazi_nato_bitches* sending imbecile army, fighting their lies into
truths.

You have to learn what your fake money means. You killed an innocent man
in the Bible, because of the fake money, you stinking *nazi_bitch*. How we
say in physics, you are fucked up. Expect no mercy. You Russian provinces
have to learn a lesson you never forget.

More Surrender in Ukraine
https://www.brighteon.com/2d5257b8-9f50-4e39-b94b-ec09e08c892d

UKRAINE: MILITARY PAWNSHOP! MISC. TIDBITS FROM THE BIDEN-GATE ZONE.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KWD1O5v9Ch7i/

Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>
> >> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> You can walk forth and back through x,y,z spatial dimensions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But you only can move forward in the 4th. dimension ct. Never back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Such asymmetry of spacetime, as supported by relativists, imply that time
> >>>>> doesn't flow, but we are who move forward in the time dimension. Even
> >>>>> standing still.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And this stupidity should be enough to declare the concept of spacetime as
> >>>>> a product of sick minds lost in metaphysical and philosophical considerations.
> >>>>
> >>>> It’s interesting that your complaint about spacetime is a metaphysical
> >>>> complaint about reality and volition.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Because of this non sense, a bunch of cretins 110 years ago killed physics as
> >>>>> a science based on logic and reason.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, who will "cancel" this stupid concept, to open paths to modern physics?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cosmology based on spacetime should be condemned as pagan science,
> >>>>> more apt for a cult/religion than real science.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Who will make the first steps toward reason?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Reason meaning what, exactly?
> >>>
> >>> meaning...reasonable effectiveness instead of ...'unreasonable
> >>> effectiveness'.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Effectiveness toward what?
> >
> >
> > It seems to be beyond your level of incompetents and will be
> > incomprehensible to you.
> >
> > you better off sticking to man made clocks and twins.
> >
> >
>
> Every now and again, you try to make a serious comment. When pressed on it,
> you collapse like a cotton candy in the rain.

"You cursed brat! Look what you've done! I'm melting! MELTING! Oh, what a world! What a world!
Who would have thought a woodpecker like you could destroy my wickedness?
Oooooh, look out! I'm going! Oooooh! Ooooooh! I'm melting! MELTING! You liquidated me, like a cotton candy in the rain..
Oooooh! Ooooooh! I'm melting! MELTING!"

"When pressed on it, ..."

pressed??? Is dat wat you tryin to do, press people to the point of extinction?

i thought you was just asking a question. i didn't notice you were tryin to put my head in a bench vice...

but dat does explain your fingerprint, putting people heads in a vice and.."When pressed on it.."

squish!

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:07:36 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Question for the IKEA man Bodkin (I Know Everything of Anything):
> >
> > Please, tell us the exact date that cosmology was born (as a pseudoscience), by merging astronomy with mathematical models.
> >
> > Name the author, the theory behind and the outcome of such research. HINT: It was at the dawn of XX century.
> >
> > If you don't know, then shut the fuck up. Add what was wrong with such model, the FIRST in history to model the universe.

> I’m curious where your line of comfort is. Somewhere in this sequence is a
> place where you say we cannot possibly know anything about this event, and
> science has gone overboard. Where is that line and WHY?
>
> Age of universe - 13.8B y - IDIOT: infinite and perennial.

> Age of earth - 4.5B y - IDIOT: how do you/them possibly know.

<snip half life stupidity>

> Extinction of dinosaurs - 65M y - IGNORANT: still alive, in disguise.

> Earliest Homo sapiens - 130k y - IGNORANT: 725,000 years ago was the version 55.0 of a civilization traced to these days.
The other 54 previous versions are buried, layer after layer, 10 Km deep into mainland, 15 Km deep into oceans.

> First humans in Americas - 20k y - IGNORANT: 350,000 years ago.

> Origin of plant agriculture - 11k y - IGNORANT: 100,000 years ago.

Origin of mass stupidity - 1879, when the cretin was born.

First step toward idiocracy - 1905, when a movement was born to make people increasingly stupid until E.L.E., soon.

First online appearance of the IKEA man: 2014.

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:07:36 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Question for the IKEA man Bodkin (I Know Everything of Anything):
>>>
>>> Please, tell us the exact date that cosmology was born (as a
>>> pseudoscience), by merging astronomy with mathematical models.
>>>
>>> Name the author, the theory behind and the outcome of such research.
>>> HINT: It was at the dawn of XX century.
>>>
>>> If you don't know, then shut the fuck up. Add what was wrong with such
>>> model, the FIRST in history to model the universe.
>
>
>> I’m curious where your line of comfort is. Somewhere in this sequence is a
>> place where you say we cannot possibly know anything about this event, and
>> science has gone overboard. Where is that line and WHY?
>>
>> Age of universe - 13.8B y - IDIOT: infinite and perennial.
>
>> Age of earth - 4.5B y - IDIOT: how do you/them possibly know.
>
> <snip half life stupidity>
>
>> Extinction of dinosaurs - 65M y - IGNORANT: still alive, in disguise.
>
>> Earliest Homo sapiens - 130k y - IGNORANT: 725,000 years ago was the
>> version 55.0 of a civilization traced to these days.
> The other 54 previous versions are buried, layer after layer, 10 Km deep
> into mainland, 15 Km deep into oceans.
>
>> First humans in Americas - 20k y - IGNORANT: 350,000 years ago.
>
>> Origin of plant agriculture - 11k y - IGNORANT: 100,000 years ago.

Wow. So much misinformation.

>
> Origin of mass stupidity - 1879, when the cretin was born.
>
> First step toward idiocracy - 1905, when a movement was born to make
> people increasingly stupid until E.L.E., soon.
>
> First online appearance of the IKEA man: 2014.
>
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:59:10 AM UTC-7, Troy Matsuda wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
>
> >> - When black matter and energy "needed to appear" in such time
> >> interval, IF IT WAS TRUE. If not, when BM and BE did "appear".
> >
> > Don't change the subject. You said the spacetime concept was stupid.
> > This claim is not *even* wrong.
> No, you are in huge error, much indeed. Next stop would be the nazi
> shithole named *switserland*, accidentally populated by nazi slavic
> immigrants, turned anglo-saxon overnight. Then the nazi Polakia and so on,
> *nazi_nato_bitches* sending imbecile army, fighting their lies into
> truths.
>
> You have to learn what your fake money means. You killed an innocent man
> in the Bible, because of the fake money, you stinking *nazi_bitch*. How we
> say in physics, you are fucked up. Expect no mercy. You Russian provinces
> have to learn a lesson you never forget.
>
> More Surrender in Ukraine
> https://www.brighteon.com/2d5257b8-9f50-4e39-b94b-ec09e08c892d
>
> UKRAINE: MILITARY PAWNSHOP! MISC. TIDBITS FROM THE BIDEN-GATE ZONE.
> https://www.bitchute.com/video/KWD1O5v9Ch7i/

I rather like the theory that what we are now seeing in Russia is not anything
"new" or "due to NATO expansion", etc., but is instead a continuation of
the breakup of the Soviet Union. It's a process that started in 1989 and,
as is always the case in Russia, it takes about 30x longer than everywhere
else. One former Russian advisor (now in London) hypothesises that within
next several years Russia will break up into 4-5 countries. This process
would have normally been completed within +/-5 years after 1989 except
for that "Russian slow motion" phenomenon.

It's interesting (well, sort of) that Putin turned out to be a very clever
small time crook, and nothing more. There was a time when he really
seemed to have a chance to turn Russia around. Pity. And it's in the
end always the Russian people who suffer most.

--
Jan

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:34:15 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:59:10 AM UTC-7, Troy Matsuda wrote:
> > JanPB wrote:
> >
> > >> - When black matter and energy "needed to appear" in such time
> > >> interval, IF IT WAS TRUE. If not, when BM and BE did "appear".
> > >
> > > Don't change the subject. You said the spacetime concept was stupid.
> > > This claim is not *even* wrong.
> > No, you are in huge error, much indeed. Next stop would be the nazi
> > shithole named *switserland*, accidentally populated by nazi slavic
> > immigrants, turned anglo-saxon overnight. Then the nazi Polakia and so on,
> > *nazi_nato_bitches* sending imbecile army, fighting their lies into
> > truths.
> >
> > You have to learn what your fake money means. You killed an innocent man
> > in the Bible, because of the fake money, you stinking *nazi_bitch*. How we
> > say in physics, you are fucked up. Expect no mercy. You Russian provinces
> > have to learn a lesson you never forget.
> >
> > More Surrender in Ukraine
> > https://www.brighteon.com/2d5257b8-9f50-4e39-b94b-ec09e08c892d
> >
> > UKRAINE: MILITARY PAWNSHOP! MISC. TIDBITS FROM THE BIDEN-GATE ZONE.
> > https://www.bitchute.com/video/KWD1O5v9Ch7i/
> I rather like the theory that what we are now seeing in Russia is not anything
> "new" or "due to NATO expansion", etc., but is instead a continuation of
> the breakup of the Soviet Union. It's a process that started in 1989 and,
> as is always the case in Russia, it takes about 30x longer than everywhere
> else. One former Russian advisor (now in London) hypothesises that within
> next several years Russia will break up into 4-5 countries. This process
> would have normally been completed within +/-5 years after 1989 except
> for that "Russian slow motion" phenomenon.
>
> It's interesting (well, sort of) that Putin turned out to be a very clever
> small time crook, and nothing more. There was a time when he really
> seemed to have a chance to turn Russia around. Pity. And it's in the
> end always the Russian people who suffer most.
>
> --
> Jan

You should join the movement that begs that Russia stop at Lviv and no go further West.

Also, could help online groups redesigning internet and GPS, because as the way things are happening right now,
these services will be hit first in a total war.

https://www.rt.com/news/554170-us-satellite-weapons-tests/

US makes pledge on satellite killers

“I am pleased to announce that as of today, the United States commits not to conduct destructive direct-ascent, anti-satellite missile testing.. Simply put, these tests are dangerous and we will not conduct them,” Harris said on Monday evening.

“If a satellite was taken out by debris, it could affect the daily weather forecast, GPS driving directions, and even your favorite television station,” Harris added. “These tests also threaten the lives of astronauts in the International Space Station.”

“We are the first nation to make such a commitment and today, on behalf of the United States of America, I call on all nations to join us, whether a nation is space-faring or not,” she told reporters at the Vandenberg Space Force Base in California, after meeting with US Space Force and Space Command officials.

*******************

Meanwhile, we are here discussing stupid things.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 12:20:25 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:34:15 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:59:10 AM UTC-7, Troy Matsuda wrote:
> > > JanPB wrote:
> > >
> > > >> - When black matter and energy "needed to appear" in such time
> > > >> interval, IF IT WAS TRUE. If not, when BM and BE did "appear".
> > > >
> > > > Don't change the subject. You said the spacetime concept was stupid.
> > > > This claim is not *even* wrong.
> > > No, you are in huge error, much indeed. Next stop would be the nazi
> > > shithole named *switserland*, accidentally populated by nazi slavic
> > > immigrants, turned anglo-saxon overnight. Then the nazi Polakia and so on,
> > > *nazi_nato_bitches* sending imbecile army, fighting their lies into
> > > truths.
> > >
> > > You have to learn what your fake money means. You killed an innocent man
> > > in the Bible, because of the fake money, you stinking *nazi_bitch*. How we
> > > say in physics, you are fucked up. Expect no mercy. You Russian provinces
> > > have to learn a lesson you never forget.
> > >
> > > More Surrender in Ukraine
> > > https://www.brighteon.com/2d5257b8-9f50-4e39-b94b-ec09e08c892d
> > >
> > > UKRAINE: MILITARY PAWNSHOP! MISC. TIDBITS FROM THE BIDEN-GATE ZONE.
> > > https://www.bitchute.com/video/KWD1O5v9Ch7i/
> > I rather like the theory that what we are now seeing in Russia is not anything
> > "new" or "due to NATO expansion", etc., but is instead a continuation of
> > the breakup of the Soviet Union. It's a process that started in 1989 and,
> > as is always the case in Russia, it takes about 30x longer than everywhere
> > else. One former Russian advisor (now in London) hypothesises that within
> > next several years Russia will break up into 4-5 countries. This process
> > would have normally been completed within +/-5 years after 1989 except
> > for that "Russian slow motion" phenomenon.
> >
> > It's interesting (well, sort of) that Putin turned out to be a very clever
> > small time crook, and nothing more. There was a time when he really
> > seemed to have a chance to turn Russia around. Pity. And it's in the
> > end always the Russian people who suffer most.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> You should join the movement that begs that Russia stop at Lviv and no go further West.

I'm now really curious: is it possible for you to post anything
that makes any sense at all?

--
Jan