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* General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistentpatdolan
+* Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably InconsistentSylvia Else
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+* Piece of shit Pad Dolan repeats the same imbecilityDono.
|`* Re: Piece of shit Pad Dolan repeats the same imbecilitypatdolan
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General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent

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 by: patdolan - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 02:05 UTC

General Relativity and Solar System--
We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.

Special Relativity and the Solar System--
Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.

To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.

[This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]

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 by: Sylvia Else - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 02:40 UTC

On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> General Relativity and Solar System--
> We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
>
> Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
>
> To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
>
> [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]

Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
so the above is nothing new.

Sylvia.

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 by: patdolan - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 02:45 UTC

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
> >
> > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation.. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> >
> > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> >
> > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> so the above is nothing new.
>
> Sylvia.
I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.

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 by: Dono. - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 02:59 UTC

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:05:02 PM UTC-7, crank pat dolan wrote:

> Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
>

Piece of shit

You've posted this before, you just wait awhile hoping that people have forgotten and you post the same imbecility again. The answer is the same as the previous time.

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El lunes, 18 de abril de 2022 a las 21:05:02 UTC-5, patdolan escribió:
> General Relativity and Solar System--
> We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
>
> Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
>
> To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
>
> [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
The relationship between Special and General relativity is obvious to anyone who has studied these theories. Marked as spam.

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:19:22 PM UTC-7, Aldo wrote:
> El lunes, 18 de abril de 2022 a las 21:05:02 UTC-5, patdolan escribió:
> > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
> >
> > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation.. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> >
> > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> >
> > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> The relationship between Special and General relativity is obvious to anyone who has studied these theories. Marked as spam.

Big talkin' Aldo? And that's all ya got????

C'mon Townes, show these be-stumped chumps how it's done. Show them how to fight back for the glory and honor of relativity. Else it will bleed out right here tonight in this squalid little backwater of the internet. Somebody needs to get a tunicate on Relativity. Stat!

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patdolan wrote:
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > General Relativity and Solar System--
>
> > >
> > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > >
> > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > >
> > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > so the above is nothing new.
> >
> > Sylvia.
> I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.

Spacetime is just a con.

A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.

Since Time is an illusion..
the only way to make it real is
to 'attach' the word "space" to it
to give Time the illusion of Reality.

Spacetime.

There is no time.

Just space.

If Time flows, why haven't they divided up the ...flow?

What time is it? three flows after one.

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:59:44 PM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:05:02 PM UTC-7, crank pat dolan wrote:
>
> > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation.. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> >
> Piece of shit
>
> You've posted this before, you just wait awhile hoping that people have forgotten and you post the same imbecility again. The answer is the same as the previous time.

There! Ya see, Dono? A lot of the newbies like Aldo have never been exposed to my relativity knockout punch. He's so stunned he won't sleep tonight.. I plan on repeating this argument until Tucker interviews me. It's one of physics stack's viral posts. Dirk's never done that.

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> patdolan wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> >
> > > >
> > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > >
> > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > >
> > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > so the above is nothing new.
> > >
> > > Sylvia.
> > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> Spacetime is just a con.
Amen.

Am I mistaken in the recollection that Minkowski invented it. At first Einstein did't cotton to it. But later embraced it as a useful medium for his general relativity.
>
> A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.
>
> Since Time is an illusion..
> the only way to make it real is
> to 'attach' the word "space" to it
> to give Time the illusion of Reality.
>
> Spacetime.
>
> There is no time.
>
> Just space.
>
> If Time flows, why haven't they divided up the ...flow?
>
> What time is it? three flows after one.
>
>
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge
> the unchallengeable.

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:45:58 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > > We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
> > >
> > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime..
> > >
> > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > >
> > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > so the above is nothing new.
> >
> > Sylvia.
> I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.

This doesn't change Sylvia's point.

--
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> patdolan wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> >
> > > >
> > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > >
> > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > >
> > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > so the above is nothing new.
> > >
> > > Sylvia.
> > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> Spacetime is just a con.
>
> A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.

Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:55:48 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:

> There! Ya see, Dono? A lot of the newbies like Aldo have never been exposed to my relativity knockout punch.

A video of Dolan's knockout punch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snSpsXJ2oZY

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:38:54 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > patdolan wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730..5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > > >
> > > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > > >
> > > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > > so the above is nothing new.
> > > >
> > > > Sylvia.
> > > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> > Spacetime is just a con.
> >
> > A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.
> Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.

Jan! Good to hear from you again. I was just now thinking about you. I developed the first version of this argument under fire...what...10 years ago?...when I was battling you and euroHenry. You stalked off, much as you did just now. euroHenry never recovered, apparently. Ah well, Aldo will probably end up in the same place. Say hello to him Aldo.

Jan, I guess this means I will have to put you in my memoirs--maybe even have to mention you in my Nobel lecture--as the proximate cause to the argument that finally toppled the relativity twins, special and general.

>
> --
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:38:26 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:45:58 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > > > We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
> > > >
> > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > >
> > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > >
> > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > so the above is nothing new.
> > >
> > > Sylvia.
> > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> This doesn't change Sylvia's point.

Well then, let's change Sylvia's point. Shall we, Jan old boy.

For all intents and purposes of my demonstration, you and Sylvia will be horrified to learn the earth orbits through what is essentially flat spacetime. Please see the excellent write-up by one of my most dedicated students and a denizen of this forum, Prof. Paul A. Anderson:

https://paulba.no/pdf/Dolan.pdf

Say hello to Aldo and euroHenry for me, Jan.
>
> --
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El martes, 19 de abril de 2022 a las 0:23:31 UTC-5, patdolan escribió:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:38:54 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > patdolan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > > > so the above is nothing new.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> > > Spacetime is just a con.
> > >
> > > A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.
> > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> Jan! Good to hear from you again. I was just now thinking about you. I developed the first version of this argument under fire...what...10 years ago?...when I was battling you and euroHenry. You stalked off, much as you did just now. euroHenry never recovered, apparently. Ah well, Aldo will probably end up in the same place. Say hello to him Aldo.
>
> Jan, I guess this means I will have to put you in my memoirs--maybe even have to mention you in my Nobel lecture--as the proximate cause to the argument that finally toppled the relativity twins, special and general.
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Jan
OK, idiot. I will explain you this only *ONCE*. In special relativity, physical laws use partial derivatives. In general relativity, physical laws use covariant derivatives, which trivially reduce to partial derivatives when the Christoffel symbols are zero. That's the relationship. Understand, you fucking piece of shit?
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/CovariantDerivative.html

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:34:13 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:38:26 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:45:58 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > > > > We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime. We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. We are at rest wrt to the solar system. From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun. No surprise there. This is exactly what General Relativity predicts. The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension. General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730..5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > > >
> > > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > > >
> > > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > > so the above is nothing new.
> > > >
> > > > Sylvia.
> > > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> > This doesn't change Sylvia's point.
> Well then, let's change Sylvia's point. Shall we, Jan old boy.
>
> For all intents and purposes of my demonstration, you and Sylvia will be horrified to learn the earth orbits through what is essentially flat spacetime. Please see the excellent write-up by one of my most dedicated students and a denizen of this forum, Prof. Paul A. Anderson:
Paul B. Andersen (sorry Professor)
>
> https://paulba.no/pdf/Dolan.pdf
>
> Say hello to Aldo and euroHenry for me, Jan.
> >
> > --
> > Jan

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:37:13 PM UTC-7, Aldo wrote:
> El martes, 19 de abril de 2022 a las 0:23:31 UTC-5, patdolan escribió:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:38:54 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > patdolan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > > > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > > > > so the above is nothing new.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> > > > Spacetime is just a con.
> > > >
> > > > A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.
> > > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> > Jan! Good to hear from you again. I was just now thinking about you. I developed the first version of this argument under fire...what...10 years ago?...when I was battling you and euroHenry. You stalked off, much as you did just now. euroHenry never recovered, apparently. Ah well, Aldo will probably end up in the same place. Say hello to him Aldo.
> >
> > Jan, I guess this means I will have to put you in my memoirs--maybe even have to mention you in my Nobel lecture--as the proximate cause to the argument that finally toppled the relativity twins, special and general.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> OK, idiot. I will explain you this only *ONCE*. In special relativity, physical laws use partial derivatives. In general relativity, physical laws use covariant derivatives, which trivially reduce to partial derivatives when the Christoffel symbols are zero. That's the relationship. Understand, you fucking piece of shit?
> https://mathworld.wolfram.com/CovariantDerivative.html

Temper, temper Aldo. First, clean up that bowl of word salad you just overturned onto the floor. Second, try to get some rest. Third, have a slow read-through of Paul's paper in the morning.

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 by: Michael Moroney - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 06:04 UTC

On 4/19/2022 1:34 AM, patdolan wrote:

> For all intents and purposes of my demonstration, you and Sylvia will be horrified to learn the earth orbits through what is essentially flat spacetime.

If the earth is orbiting, spacetime can't exactly be flat, now can it.
If spacetime were flat, earth would be moving in a straight line.

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 11:04:57 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 1:34 AM, patdolan wrote:
>
> > For all intents and purposes of my demonstration, you and Sylvia will be horrified to learn the earth orbits through what is essentially flat spacetime.
> If the earth is orbiting, spacetime can't exactly be flat, now can it.
> If spacetime were flat, earth would be moving in a straight line.
That is a weakness of Paul's paper, to be sure. From which we might conclude that it is a weakness of Relativity too.

Stick with my work, Moroney. Paul kind of proves my point in yet another way. Relativity is a mishmash of thought. Most 26 year olds do have mishmash for thoughts.

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On Tuesday, 19 April 2022 at 08:04:57 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:

> If spacetime were flat, earth would be moving in a straight line.

Moving wrt what, stupid Mike?

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 by: The Starmaker - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:16 UTC

JanPB wrote:
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > patdolan wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacet
> > > > >
> > > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theor
> > > > >
> > > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > > so the above is nothing new.
> > > >
> > > > Sylvia.
> > > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> > Spacetime is just a con.
> >
> > A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.
>
> Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
>
> --
> Jan

"Not even wrong. Gobbledygook." Those words used to mean something, but now it means ...nothing.

The echoes are gone in the hall...

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 by: JanPB - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:31 UTC

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 10:23:31 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:38:54 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > patdolan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > > > so the above is nothing new.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> > > Spacetime is just a con.
> > >
> > > A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.
> > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> Jan! Good to hear from you again. I was just now thinking about you. I developed the first version of this argument under fire...what...10 years ago?...when I was battling you and euroHenry. You stalked off, much as you did just now. euroHenry never recovered, apparently. Ah well, Aldo will probably end up in the same place. Say hello to him Aldo.
>
> Jan, I guess this means I will have to put you in my memoirs--maybe even have to mention you in my Nobel lecture--as the proximate cause to the argument that finally toppled the relativity twins, special and general.

Seems one standard crank trait is childish fantasising :-)

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Jan

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 by: JanPB - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:37 UTC

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 12:16:25 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:54:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > patdolan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > > On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > General Relativity and Solar System--
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> > > > > > Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation. From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction. But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity. According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable. The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to fiery doom. The Christoffels do not lie. So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s). Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet. But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner. Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this. I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]
> > > > > Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity,
> > > > > so the above is nothing new.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sylvia.
> > > > I'm shocked Sylvia, shocked! Bodkin will tell you there is no such thing as gravity. So will Albert. There is only spacetime and curved spacetime. I'm interested if you disagree.
> > > Spacetime is just a con.
> > >
> > > A made up word that has no real meaning or reality.
> >
> > Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> "Not even wrong. Gobbledygook." Those words used to mean something, but now it means ...nothing.

It just means that what you wrote was a word salad. It cannot be even termed
"wrong" because to be so labelled, the post would have to have a content.
You are confusing science with philosophy. Both have merits but they are
founded on different methodologies. You get gobbledygook when you mix them.

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Jan

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 by: Michael Moroney - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:38 UTC

On 4/19/2022 2:44 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
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>> If spacetime were flat, earth would be moving in a straight line.
>
> Moving wrt what, stupid Mike?
>

The sun, janitor.

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 by: Michael Moroney - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:10 UTC

On 4/19/2022 2:20 AM, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 11:04:57 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/19/2022 1:34 AM, patdolan wrote:
>>
>>> For all intents and purposes of my demonstration, you and Sylvia will be horrified to learn the earth orbits through what is essentially flat spacetime.
>> If the earth is orbiting, spacetime can't exactly be flat, now can it.
>> If spacetime were flat, earth would be moving in a straight line.
> That is a weakness of Paul's paper, to be sure. From which we might conclude that it is a weakness of Relativity too.
>
> Stick with my work, Moroney. Paul kind of proves my point in yet another way. Relativity is a mishmash of thought. Most 26 year olds do have mishmash for thoughts.

It doesn't change the fact that flat spacetime would have no orbits,
just planets moving along a straight line. Your "essentially flat
spacetime" statement is clearly false. This is a GR problem.

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