Huh. Vitus.
Everything I know is wrong.

https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Huh. Vitus.
> Everything I know is wrong.
>
> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike

Seems a fairly generic E MTB, not my sort of bike though mates have them
(not Vitus) which evens up the fitness levels and all that!

Basically I don’t do enough, miles to justify nor have I ridden EMTB off
road, I’ve ridden some E hybrids and so on, but essentially not intended
for me and the style of riding I do ie mix of technical and endurance type
riding.

If I lived somewhere I with terrain I could ride on from the door maybe? I
can see the attraction on tech climbs ie they can help you climb very steep
stuff much steeper than you’d normally manage.

Roger Merriman

On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:26:44 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Huh. Vitus.
>Everything I know is wrong.
>
>https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike

Why not just get a dirt bike?

https://dirtbikemagazine.com/

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:26:44 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> Huh. Vitus.
>> Everything I know is wrong.
>>
>> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
>
> Why not just get a dirt bike?
>
> https://dirtbikemagazine.com/
>
Very different beast, much heavier and more powerful, and so access to land
is much more limited both legally and physically. While downhill/enduro
bikes are certainly influenced by motorbikes, attempting to get a motorbike
down a lot of the trails you’d run out of room fairly quickly, ie catch a
tree most likely!

And even on more XC type places, getting though gates on a MTB is a bit
tedious, motorbike even more so, let alone kissing gates/styles etc.

They also ride very differently with the extra mass and size, ie much more
suited to more open type places.

Roger Merriman

On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> Huh.  Vitus.
> Everything I know is wrong.
>
> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike

<sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.

I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > Huh. Vitus.
> > Everything I know is wrong.
> >
> > https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
> <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
>
> I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
> to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

Good to know… pfff.

Lou

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > Huh. Vitus.
> > > Everything I know is wrong.
> > >
> > > https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
> > <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
> >
> > I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
> > to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> Good to know… pfff.
>
> Lou

Well, I don't know how old Frank is. He claims to be a touring bike rider and believes those to be superior to sport bikes. Each man to his own tastes.. I have to say that I really like the ride of my steel sport bikes like my Land Shark but the Aliverti frame I have certainly rides very well at the speeds I am now capable of maintaining. I can see how Andy Hampsten won the Giro on his Land Shark painted with Huffy name. It has flawless handling though I have to wonder how John Slawta builds carbon fiber bikes these days since most CF bikes are made in Taiwan. Trek builds their own but they have the money to spend a fortune on tooling and make it back in volume. Looking at the building of Slawta's carbon bikes he appears to be dabbing a lot of carbon fiber material around on the intersections of tube. My bet is that he buys premade tubes where actual factories can use presses to push gaps out of the tubes. But these are HEAVY tubes so I expect that the Land Shark Carbon bikes are significantly heavier than the Taiwanese factories who now have a real business in making specific tooling for specific designs from European companies.

Andrew said that Vitus changed their forks to improve them as they went along. That would make me think that unless you positively knew what model you were buying you should stay clear of Vitus.

On 8/9/2023 1:23 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> Huh. Vitus.
>>>> Everything I know is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
>>> <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
>>>
>>> I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
>>> to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> Good to know… pfff.
>>
>> Lou
>
> Well, I don't know how old Frank is. He claims to be a touring bike rider and believes those to be superior to sport bikes. Each man to his own tastes. I have to say that I really like the ride of my steel sport bikes like my Land Shark but the Aliverti frame I have certainly rides very well at the speeds I am now capable of maintaining. I can see how Andy Hampsten won the Giro on his Land Shark painted with Huffy name. It has flawless handling though I have to wonder how John Slawta builds carbon fiber bikes these days since most CF bikes are made in Taiwan. Trek builds their own but they have the money to spend a fortune on tooling and make it back in volume. Looking at the building of Slawta's carbon bikes he appears to be dabbing a lot of carbon fiber material around on the intersections of tube. My bet is that he buys premade tubes where actual factories can use presses to push gaps out of the tubes. But these are HEAVY tubes so I expect that the Land Shark Carbon bikes are significantly heavier than the Taiwanese factories who now have a real business in making specific tooling for specific designs from European companies.
>
> Andrew said that Vitus changed their forks to improve them as they went along. That would make me think that unless you positively knew what model you were buying you should stay clear of Vitus.
>
That's not what I wrote at all.
The Alan design is a threaded blade in a threaded cast
aluminum crown which is an inherent stress point at the
worst possible location, hence both pieces are beefy.
The Vitus 979 design is much later, using better materials,
and the crown is socketed down into the oval blade and
bonded. Sorta like an aluminum version of a Cinelli
Supercorsa crown, as it were.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:39:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/9/2023 1:23 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> Huh. Vitus.
> >>>> Everything I know is wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
> >>> <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
> >>>
> >>> I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
> >>> to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> Good to know… pfff.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> > Well, I don't know how old Frank is. He claims to be a touring bike rider and believes those to be superior to sport bikes. Each man to his own tastes. I have to say that I really like the ride of my steel sport bikes like my Land Shark but the Aliverti frame I have certainly rides very well at the speeds I am now capable of maintaining. I can see how Andy Hampsten won the Giro on his Land Shark painted with Huffy name. It has flawless handling though I have to wonder how John Slawta builds carbon fiber bikes these days since most CF bikes are made in Taiwan. Trek builds their own but they have the money to spend a fortune on tooling and make it back in volume. Looking at the building of Slawta's carbon bikes he appears to be dabbing a lot of carbon fiber material around on the intersections of tube. My bet is that he buys premade tubes where actual factories can use presses to push gaps out of the tubes. But these are HEAVY tubes so I expect that the Land Shark Carbon bikes are significantly heavier than the Taiwanese factories who now have a real business in making specific tooling for specific designs from European companies.
> >
> > Andrew said that Vitus changed their forks to improve them as they went along. That would make me think that unless you positively knew what model you were buying you should stay clear of Vitus.
> >
> That's not what I wrote at all.
>
> The Alan design is a threaded blade in a threaded cast
> aluminum crown which is an inherent stress point at the
> worst possible location, hence both pieces are beefy.
>
> The Vitus 979 design is much later, using better materials,
> and the crown is socketed down into the oval blade and
> bonded. Sorta like an aluminum version of a Cinelli
> Supercorsa crown, as it were.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Come on Andrew, Are you saying that using a glue joint with better aluminum alloys isn't an improvement over older aluminum alloys threaded together?

On 8/10/2023 10:09 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:39:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 8/9/2023 1:23 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> Huh. Vitus.
>>>>>> Everything I know is wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
>>>>> <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
>>>>>
>>>>> I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
>>>>> to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>> Good to know… pfff.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>
>>> Well, I don't know how old Frank is. He claims to be a touring bike rider and believes those to be superior to sport bikes. Each man to his own tastes. I have to say that I really like the ride of my steel sport bikes like my Land Shark but the Aliverti frame I have certainly rides very well at the speeds I am now capable of maintaining. I can see how Andy Hampsten won the Giro on his Land Shark painted with Huffy name. It has flawless handling though I have to wonder how John Slawta builds carbon fiber bikes these days since most CF bikes are made in Taiwan. Trek builds their own but they have the money to spend a fortune on tooling and make it back in volume. Looking at the building of Slawta's carbon bikes he appears to be dabbing a lot of carbon fiber material around on the intersections of tube. My bet is that he buys premade tubes where actual factories can use presses to push gaps out of the tubes. But these are HEAVY tubes so I expect that the Land Shark Carbon bikes are significantly heavier than the Taiwanese factories who now have a real business in making specific tooling for specific designs from European companies.
>>>
>>> Andrew said that Vitus changed their forks to improve them as they went along. That would make me think that unless you positively knew what model you were buying you should stay clear of Vitus.
>>>
>> That's not what I wrote at all.
>>
>> The Alan design is a threaded blade in a threaded cast
>> aluminum crown which is an inherent stress point at the
>> worst possible location, hence both pieces are beefy.
>>
>> The Vitus 979 design is much later, using better materials,
>> and the crown is socketed down into the oval blade and
>> bonded. Sorta like an aluminum version of a Cinelli
>> Supercorsa crown, as it were.
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> Come on Andrew, Are you saying that using a glue joint with better aluminum alloys isn't an improvement over older aluminum alloys threaded together?
>
That's not what I wrote.
The Alan also expoxied their threaded joints.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:44:39 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/10/2023 10:09 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:39:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 8/9/2023 1:23 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>> Huh. Vitus.
> >>>>>> Everything I know is wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
> >>>>> <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
> >>>>> to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>> Good to know… pfff.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lou
> >>>
> >>> Well, I don't know how old Frank is. He claims to be a touring bike rider and believes those to be superior to sport bikes. Each man to his own tastes. I have to say that I really like the ride of my steel sport bikes like my Land Shark but the Aliverti frame I have certainly rides very well at the speeds I am now capable of maintaining. I can see how Andy Hampsten won the Giro on his Land Shark painted with Huffy name. It has flawless handling though I have to wonder how John Slawta builds carbon fiber bikes these days since most CF bikes are made in Taiwan. Trek builds their own but they have the money to spend a fortune on tooling and make it back in volume. Looking at the building of Slawta's carbon bikes he appears to be dabbing a lot of carbon fiber material around on the intersections of tube. My bet is that he buys premade tubes where actual factories can use presses to push gaps out of the tubes. But these are HEAVY tubes so I expect that the Land Shark Carbon bikes are significantly heavier than the Taiwanese factories who now have a real business in making specific tooling for specific designs from European companies.
> >>>
> >>> Andrew said that Vitus changed their forks to improve them as they went along. That would make me think that unless you positively knew what model you were buying you should stay clear of Vitus.
> >>>
> >> That's not what I wrote at all.
> >>
> >> The Alan design is a threaded blade in a threaded cast
> >> aluminum crown which is an inherent stress point at the
> >> worst possible location, hence both pieces are beefy.
> >>
> >> The Vitus 979 design is much later, using better materials,
> >> and the crown is socketed down into the oval blade and
> >> bonded. Sorta like an aluminum version of a Cinelli
> >> Supercorsa crown, as it were.
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > Come on Andrew, Are you saying that using a glue joint with better aluminum alloys isn't an improvement over older aluminum alloys threaded together?
> >
> That's not what I wrote.
> The Alan also expoxied their threaded joints.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You and I just said the same thing and then you said that isn't what you said. Maybe you misunderstood me?

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:44:39 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 8/10/2023 10:09 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:39:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> On 8/9/2023 1:23 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > >>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>> On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>>>> Huh. Vitus.
> > >>>>>> Everything I know is wrong.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
> > >>>>> <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
> > >>>>> to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> > >>>> Good to know… pfff.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Lou
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, I don't know how old Frank is. He claims to be a touring bike rider and believes those to be superior to sport bikes. Each man to his own tastes. I have to say that I really like the ride of my steel sport bikes like my Land Shark but the Aliverti frame I have certainly rides very well at the speeds I am now capable of maintaining. I can see how Andy Hampsten won the Giro on his Land Shark painted with Huffy name. It has flawless handling though I have to wonder how John Slawta builds carbon fiber bikes these days since most CF bikes are made in Taiwan. Trek builds their own but they have the money to spend a fortune on tooling and make it back in volume. Looking at the building of Slawta's carbon bikes he appears to be dabbing a lot of carbon fiber material around on the intersections of tube. My bet is that he buys premade tubes where actual factories can use presses to push gaps out of the tubes. But these are HEAVY tubes so I expect that the Land Shark Carbon bikes are significantly heavier than the Taiwanese factories who now have a real business in making specific tooling for specific designs from European companies.
> > >>>
> > >>> Andrew said that Vitus changed their forks to improve them as they went along. That would make me think that unless you positively knew what model you were buying you should stay clear of Vitus.
> > >>>
> > >> That's not what I wrote at all.
> > >>
> > >> The Alan design is a threaded blade in a threaded cast
> > >> aluminum crown which is an inherent stress point at the
> > >> worst possible location, hence both pieces are beefy.
> > >>
> > >> The Vitus 979 design is much later, using better materials,
> > >> and the crown is socketed down into the oval blade and
> > >> bonded. Sorta like an aluminum version of a Cinelli
> > >> Supercorsa crown, as it were.
> > >> --
> > >> Andrew Muzi
> > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > >
> > > Come on Andrew, Are you saying that using a glue joint with better aluminum alloys isn't an improvement over older aluminum alloys threaded together?
> > >
> > That's not what I wrote.
> > The Alan also expoxied their threaded joints.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> You and I just said the same thing and then you said that isn't what you said. Maybe you misunderstood me?

SMH

- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:12:27 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:44:39 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 8/10/2023 10:09 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:39:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >> On 8/9/2023 1:23 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:21:15 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > >>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 5:54:41 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > >>>>> On 8/9/2023 9:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Huh. Vitus.
> > > >>>>>> Everything I know is wrong.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> https://us.vitusbikes.com/blogs/stories/the-all-new-e-mythique-lt-electric-mountain-bike
> > > >>>>> <sigh> I tend to think anything with a motor should be prohibited off-road.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I plan to be the last person in America to 1) play pickleball, 2) listen
> > > >>>>> to Taylor Swift, and 3) own an ebike.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> > > >>>> Good to know… pfff.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Lou
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Well, I don't know how old Frank is. He claims to be a touring bike rider and believes those to be superior to sport bikes. Each man to his own tastes. I have to say that I really like the ride of my steel sport bikes like my Land Shark but the Aliverti frame I have certainly rides very well at the speeds I am now capable of maintaining. I can see how Andy Hampsten won the Giro on his Land Shark painted with Huffy name. It has flawless handling though I have to wonder how John Slawta builds carbon fiber bikes these days since most CF bikes are made in Taiwan. Trek builds their own but they have the money to spend a fortune on tooling and make it back in volume. Looking at the building of Slawta's carbon bikes he appears to be dabbing a lot of carbon fiber material around on the intersections of tube. My bet is that he buys premade tubes where actual factories can use presses to push gaps out of the tubes. But these are HEAVY tubes so I expect that the Land Shark Carbon bikes are significantly heavier than the Taiwanese factories who now have a real business in making specific tooling for specific designs from European companies.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Andrew said that Vitus changed their forks to improve them as they went along. That would make me think that unless you positively knew what model you were buying you should stay clear of Vitus.
> > > >>>
> > > >> That's not what I wrote at all.
> > > >>
> > > >> The Alan design is a threaded blade in a threaded cast
> > > >> aluminum crown which is an inherent stress point at the
> > > >> worst possible location, hence both pieces are beefy.
> > > >>
> > > >> The Vitus 979 design is much later, using better materials,
> > > >> and the crown is socketed down into the oval blade and
> > > >> bonded. Sorta like an aluminum version of a Cinelli
> > > >> Supercorsa crown, as it were.
> > > >> --
> > > >> Andrew Muzi
> > > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > >
> > > > Come on Andrew, Are you saying that using a glue joint with better aluminum alloys isn't an improvement over older aluminum alloys threaded together?
> > > >
> > > That's not what I wrote.
> > > The Alan also expoxied their threaded joints.
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > You and I just said the same thing and then you said that isn't what you said. Maybe you misunderstood me?
> SMH
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Do you like the sound of the rattling?