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What about Quantum vibration?
And what about orbits? are they relative?
What about a pendulum swing?
Show what motion is relative...

Mitchell Raemsch

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mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> What about Quantum vibration?
> And what about orbits? are they relative?
> What about a pendulum swing?
> Show what motion is relative...

*everything* is relative.
(that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
so obeying relativistic laws of physics)

Whether or not you will notice it depends only
on the accuracy to which you can measure.
As mentioned here already many times:
there is an ongoing precision revolution in physics.

In consequence more and more things
are becoming explicitly subject to relativistic corrections,

Jan

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On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 10:28:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Quantum vibration?
> > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > What about a pendulum swing?
> > Show what motion is relative...
> *everything* is relative.
> (that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
> so obeying relativistic laws of physics)

And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
by your insane Shit absolute TAI clocks
keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
always did.

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 10:28:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > Show what motion is relative...
> > *everything* is relative.
> > (that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
> > so obeying relativistic laws of physics)
>
> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
> by your insane Shit absolute TAI clocks
> keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
> always did.

Please explain what an 'absolute TAI clock' is,
and where I can find one,

Jan

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On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 12:36:53 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 10:28:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > *everything* is relative.
> > > (that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
> > > so obeying relativistic laws of physics)
> >
> > And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
> > by your insane Shit absolute TAI clocks
> > keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
> > always did.
> Please explain what an 'absolute TAI clock' is,

It's a clock indicating TAI time, which is a non local,
observer independent time, just like time of sane people
always was.

> and where I can find one,

quoting wiki - in over 50 national laboratories worldwide.

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 12:36:53 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 10:28:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > (that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
> > > > so obeying relativistic laws of physics)
> > >
> > > And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
> > > by your insane Shit absolute TAI clocks
> > > keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
> > > always did.
> > Please explain what an 'absolute TAI clock' is,
>
> It's a clock indicating TAI time, which is a non local,
> observer independent time, just like time of sane people
> always was.

Now that is almost right, for a change.
What you have still wrong is that there is no single clock
that indicates TAI, all by itself.
Corrections need to be applied to the readings
of all really existing clocks to obtain TAI.

And of course 'absolute' is meaningless here.
There is only one TAI,

Jan

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On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 14:18:07 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 12:36:53 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 10:28:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > > (that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
> > > > > so obeying relativistic laws of physics)
> > > >
> > > > And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
> > > > by your insane Shit absolute TAI clocks
> > > > keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
> > > > always did.
> > > Please explain what an 'absolute TAI clock' is,
> >
> > It's a clock indicating TAI time, which is a non local,
> > observer independent time, just like time of sane people
> > always was.
> Now that is almost right, for a change.
> What you have still wrong is that there is no single clock
> that indicates TAI, all by itself.

But your idiot guru hasn't put "all by itself" clause
into his definition of time. Sorry..
Measurement devices, generally, never show
anything "all by themself". If you weren't confused
so much by your insane religion you would have
noticed that.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 13:50 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 14:18:07 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 12:36:53 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 10:28:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > > > (that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
> > > > > > so obeying relativistic laws of physics)
> > > > >
> > > > > And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
> > > > > by your insane Shit absolute TAI clocks
> > > > > keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
> > > > > always did.
> > > > Please explain what an 'absolute TAI clock' is,
> > >
> > > It's a clock indicating TAI time, which is a non local,
> > > observer independent time, just like time of sane people
> > > always was.
> > Now that is almost right, for a change.
> > What you have still wrong is that there is no single clock
> > that indicates TAI, all by itself.
>
> But your idiot guru hasn't put "all by itself" clause
> into his definition of time. Sorry..
> Measurement devices, generally, never show
> anything "all by themself". If you weren't confused
> so much by your insane religion you would have
> noticed that.

Too bad, you were almost there.
TAI is NOT an example of time as used
in Einstein's theory of relativity.
It is 'a non-local observer-independent average time'.
(but only for stationary observers on or near the surface of the Earth)

Jan

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On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 15:50:23 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 14:18:07 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 12:36:53 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday, 21 April 2022 at 10:28:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > > > > (that is, subject to the relativity postulate,
> > > > > > > so obeying relativistic laws of physics)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden
> > > > > > by your insane Shit absolute TAI clocks
> > > > > > keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
> > > > > > always did.
> > > > > Please explain what an 'absolute TAI clock' is,
> > > >
> > > > It's a clock indicating TAI time, which is a non local,
> > > > observer independent time, just like time of sane people
> > > > always was.
> > > Now that is almost right, for a change.
> > > What you have still wrong is that there is no single clock
> > > that indicates TAI, all by itself.
> >
> > But your idiot guru hasn't put "all by itself" clause
> > into his definition of time. Sorry..
> > Measurement devices, generally, never show
> > anything "all by themself". If you weren't confused
> > so much by your insane religion you would have
> > noticed that.
> Too bad, you were almost there.
> TAI is NOT an example of time as used
> in Einstein's theory of relativity.

That's for sure. The reality, the real clocks and the real
time are not going to obey your beloved maniac.
Common sense was warning him.

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On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What about Quantum vibration?
> > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > What about a pendulum swing?
> > Show what motion is relative...
> *everything* is relative.

What about the speed of light jan?
And your hair is ugly....

Mitchell Raemsch
>
> Jan

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mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > Show what motion is relative...
> > *everything* is relative.
>
> What about the speed of light jan?

It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
It is just a conversion constant between units.
It is as physical as the foot/mile.

Real physicists put it equal to 1

Jan

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On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > *everything* is relative.
> >
> > What about the speed of light jan?
> It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.

Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?
Do you really believe light does not move?
And your hair is still ugly...

> It is just a conversion constant between units.
> It is as physical as the foot/mile.
>
> Real physicists put it equal to 1

You are not real you moron jan...

Mitchell Raemsch
>
> Jan

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mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > *everything* is relative.
> > >
> > > What about the speed of light jan?
> > It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
>
> Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?

Wrong question. The right question is:
Why have we stopped measuring it?

Jan
(see my tutorial on it in sc.p.res for an amswer)

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On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:13:05 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > >
> > > > What about the speed of light jan?
> > > It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
> >
> > Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?
> Wrong question. The right question is:
> Why have we stopped measuring it?
>
> Jan
> (see my tutorial on it in sc.p.res for an amswer)

Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?
We will continue to make it more accurate...
You are stupid to make the claim it has no physical speed jan...

Mitchell Raemsch

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 19:27 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:13:05 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > >
> > > > > What about the speed of light jan?
> > > > It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
> > >
> > > Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?
> > Wrong question. The right question is:
> > Why have we stopped measuring it?
> >
> > Jan
> > (see my tutorial on it in sc.p.res for an amswer)
>
> Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?

The CGPM, 1983, resolution 1, definition of the meter,
adopted unanimously.

> We will continue to make it more accurate...

Impossible, it is already exact.

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:35 UTC

On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 21:27:28 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:13:05 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about the speed of light jan?
> > > > > It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
> > > >
> > > > Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?
> > > Wrong question. The right question is:
> > > Why have we stopped measuring it?
> > >
> > > Jan
> > > (see my tutorial on it in sc.p.res for an amswer)
> >
> > Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?
> The CGPM, 1983, resolution 1, definition of the meter,
> adopted unanimously.
> > We will continue to make it more accurate...
> Impossible, it is already exact.

And while morons like you are enchanting the reality
with their wannabe standards - forbidden
by your moronic religion TAI keep measuring t'=t,
just like all serious clocks always did.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:01 UTC

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:13:05 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about the speed of light jan?
> > > > > It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
> > > >
> > > > Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?
> > > Wrong question. The right question is:
> > > Why have we stopped measuring it?
> > >
> > > Jan
> > > (see my tutorial on it in sc.p.res for an amswer)
> >
> > Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?
> The CGPM, 1983, resolution 1, definition of the meter,
> adopted unanimously.
> > We will continue to make it more accurate...
> Impossible, it is already exact.
>
> Jan
Stop making things up to win the argument jan...
Can you prove the exact measurement of light speed jan?
How would you be sure?
Measurement in QM are always uncertain by principle.

Mitchell Raemsch

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On 4/26/2022 4:01 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?
>> The CGPM, 1983, resolution 1, definition of the meter,
>> adopted unanimously.
>>> We will continue to make it more accurate...
>> Impossible, it is already exact.
>>
>> Jan
> Stop making things up to win the argument jan... > Can you prove the exact measurement of light speed jan?

I'm not Jan, but the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters/second.
EXACTLY.

> How would you be sure?

Because it was DEFINED that way.

> Measurement in QM are always uncertain by principle.

The speed of light is DEFINED, not a measurement.

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 by: Abe Banos - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 22:24 UTC

Michael Moroney wrote:

> On 4/26/2022 4:01 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Stop making things up to win the argument jan... > Can you prove the
>> exact measurement of light speed jan?
>
> I'm not Jan, but the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters/second.
> EXACTLY.

no shit Sherlock. But the "ukrainian" nazis are running away leaving the
sinking ship, since only an idiot, or a nazi, will sacrifice their life
for the welfare of the political nazis, strangers running
*bio_weapon_labs*, and the oligarchs subjugating the people. Moreover, I
hear that if *covid_19_bullshit* was planed to be real, it comes from nazi
"ukraine". Not China.

Footage of the abandoned nazi 🇺🇦 storage and repair facility for military
vehicles. More then 100 armou https://www.bitchute.com/video/BaDLIpQoyUWi/

interesting to realize, heavier the weaponry, faster the nazis "ukraine"
are running away.

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 23:59 UTC

Postings from aioe.org have a high probability to come from the
(unfortunately) resident pseudonym-shifting troll.

Most recent pseudonyms (in reverse order):

Abe Banos
Dean Totolos
Kye Egonidis
Sam Kaloxylos
Yoel Mazaki
Mason Urogataya
Boyd Papadopulos

You can recognize them easily by their off-topic, provocative,
and often far-right political content, written in bad English.

Please do not feed that troll.

PointedEars
--
Q: Who's on the case when the electricity goes out?
A: Sherlock Ohms.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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 by: Michael Moroney - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:42 UTC

On 4/26/2022 6:24 PM, Abe Banos wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:
>
>> On 4/26/2022 4:01 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Stop making things up to win the argument jan... > Can you prove the
>>> exact measurement of light speed jan?
>>
>> I'm not Jan, but the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters/second.
>> EXACTLY.
>
> no shit Sherlock. But the "ukrainian" nazis are running away leaving the
> sinking ship,

The sinking ship? You mean the Moskva? Those were Russian Nazis fleeing
from it, but most got roasted alive. Or did a Neptune sink another
RuSSian ship?

> interesting to realize, heavier the weaponry, faster the nazis "ukraine"
> are running away.

Well, the Moskva was pretty much the heaviest weapon involved so far,
but only a few RuSSian Nazis escaped. No way to run away fast from it.

Hey nymshifter! I hear the Ukrainians still have Moskva's sister ship,
the Ukrainia! It's an incomplete (unfinished), obsolete, rusted hulk
from the USSR breakup. Maybe RuSSia can buy it to replace the Moskva! I
bet it's in better shape than the Moskva was before it was hit. The
Ukrainia can be the RuSSian's new Pride of the Black Sea fleet!

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 04:44 UTC

On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 00:05:31 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/26/2022 4:01 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?
> >> The CGPM, 1983, resolution 1, definition of the meter,
> >> adopted unanimously.
> >>> We will continue to make it more accurate...
> >> Impossible, it is already exact.
> >>
> >> Jan
> > Stop making things up to win the argument jan... > Can you prove the exact measurement of light speed jan?
> I'm not Jan, but the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters/second.
> EXACTLY.
> > How would you be sure?
> Because it was DEFINED that way.

Communism was DEFINED as the best system in the world,
but it didn't help it, stupid Mike. And even your idiot guru
was unable to hold "constant light speed" idiocy for a long
time - his GR shit had to abandon it.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:26 UTC

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:13:05 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder:
> > > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about the speed of light jan?
> > > > > > It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?
> > > > Wrong question. The right question is:
> > > > Why have we stopped measuring it?
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > > (see my tutorial on it in sc.p.res for an amswer)
> > >
> > > Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?
> > The CGPM, 1983, resolution 1, definition of the meter,
> > adopted unanimously.
> > > We will continue to make it more accurate...
> > Impossible, it is already exact.
> >
> > Jan
> Stop making things up to win the argument jan...
> Can you prove the exact measurement of light speed jan?

There is nothing to measure.

> How would you be sure?

By definition.

> Measurement in QM are always uncertain by principle.

Irrelevant, for metrology,

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:26 UTC

Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:

> On 4/26/2022 6:24 PM, Abe Banos wrote:
> > Michael Moroney wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/26/2022 4:01 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Stop making things up to win the argument jan... > Can you prove the
> >>> exact measurement of light speed jan?
> >>
> >> I'm not Jan, but the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters/second.
> >> EXACTLY.
> >
> > no shit Sherlock. But the "ukrainian" nazis are running away leaving the
> > sinking ship,
>
> The sinking ship? You mean the Moskva? Those were Russian Nazis fleeing
> from it, but most got roasted alive. Or did a Neptune sink another
> RuSSian ship?

You misunderstood completely.
It didn't -sink-, it was -promoted-.
(to submarine first class)

Jan

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 10:26:39 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:13:05 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 2:00:35 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:28:42 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder:
> > > > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What about Quantum vibration?
> > > > > > > > > > And what about orbits? are they relative?
> > > > > > > > > > What about a pendulum swing?
> > > > > > > > > > Show what motion is relative...
> > > > > > > > > *everything* is relative.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What about the speed of light jan?
> > > > > > > It doesn't exist, as a physical quantity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then why have we measured it you moron Jan?
> > > > > Wrong question. The right question is:
> > > > > Why have we stopped measuring it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan
> > > > > (see my tutorial on it in sc.p.res for an amswer)
> > > >
> > > > Who said we have stopped measuring it you moron jan?
> > > The CGPM, 1983, resolution 1, definition of the meter,
> > > adopted unanimously.
> > > > We will continue to make it more accurate...
> > > Impossible, it is already exact.
> > >
> > > Jan
> > Stop making things up to win the argument jan...
> > Can you prove the exact measurement of light speed jan?
> There is nothing to measure.
> > How would you be sure?
> By definition.

As said to stupid Mike: communism was by definition the
best system ever, and it didn't help. Even your idiot
guru, BTW, was unable to stick to this "constant light speed"
idiocy for long, and his GR shit had to abandon it.

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