Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

One can't proceed from the informal to the formal by formal means.


tech / sci.physics.relativity / Why demand of identical clocks?

SubjectAuthor
* Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
`* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?J. J. Lodder
 `* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
  `* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Michael Moroney
   +* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Kye Egonidis
   |`* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?J. J. Lodder
   | +- Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Don Christodoulou
   | `- Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
   `* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
    +* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Odd Bodkin
    |`* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
    | `* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Odd Bodkin
    |  `- Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
    `* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Michael Moroney
     +* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
     |+* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Odd Bodkin
     ||`* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Michael Moroney
     || `- Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
     |`* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Michael Moroney
     | `* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
     |  `* Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Michael Moroney
     |   `- Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Maciej Wozniak
     `- Re: Why demand of identical clocks?Kye Egonidis

1
Why demand of identical clocks?

<6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88621&group=sci.physics.relativity#88621

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:191:b0:2f1:ffe6:283c with SMTP id s17-20020a05622a019100b002f1ffe6283cmr2116782qtw.557.1650611429356;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:205:b0:2f3:54b8:5f44 with SMTP id
b5-20020a05622a020500b002f354b85f44mr2134180qtx.336.1650611429166; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 00:10:28 -0700 (PDT)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 07:10:29 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 3
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 07:10 UTC

Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
worshippers?

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88624&group=sci.physics.relativity#88624

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 11:00:33 +0200
Organization: De Ster
Lines: 28
Message-ID: <1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: jjlax32@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="a14e176f4f5ade9ba5dcf003f7c4886b";
logging-data="24013"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/tREskDFa6jeXACaf8MMMEBuPyYnesrhc="
User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.5 (ea919cf118) (Mac OS 10.10.5)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:cUAB1/6dq1t2kuhYt7lX0fF4hJw=
 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:00 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> worshippers?

Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
That is, as identical as they could practically be.
There were specialised firms that built small series of them.

A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
<https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
all over the world.

It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)

Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
It warns you in time when something goes wrong with one of them.
The so-called atomic clocks at standards laboratories
are in reality always clusters of identical ones,

Jan

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88626&group=sci.physics.relativity#88626

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:d84:b0:449:7065:54a with SMTP id e4-20020a0562140d8400b004497065054amr2896346qve.52.1650619218888;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 02:20:18 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:22af:b0:69e:adc8:2ab6 with SMTP id
p15-20020a05620a22af00b0069eadc82ab6mr2014541qkh.418.1650619218612; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 02:20:18 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 02:20:18 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com> <1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:20:18 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 29
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:20 UTC

On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> > the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> > or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> > worshippers?
> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>
> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
> all over the world.
> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>
> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.

And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
very practical proof that time is completely
different there. Right?

Or maybe the demand of your cult is a brandly
new and completely baseless one ? Did it exist
in pre-einsteinian physics? Yes or not?

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88642&group=sci.physics.relativity#88642

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:29:54 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="29929"; posting-host="Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.6.1
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
Content-Language: en-US
 by: Michael Moroney - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 17:29 UTC

On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
>>> worshippers?
>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>>
>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
>> all over the world.
>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>>
>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
>
> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
> very practical proof that time is completely
> different there. Right?

Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
earth. Pendulum clocks do not work at all without gravity.

A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock on
the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different (the
moon itself vs. the earth itself).

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<pan$4fd8a$91c8fc9b$ea3db95d$e0aaa87@xuelxjxk.io>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88651&group=sci.physics.relativity#88651

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!mLipwYpzeQOxl5Glx+csOw.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: qli...@xuelxjxk.io (Kye Egonidis)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:15:54 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <pan$4fd8a$91c8fc9b$ea3db95d$e0aaa87@xuelxjxk.io>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="65024"; posting-host="mLipwYpzeQOxl5Glx+csOw.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/78.9.0
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Kye Egonidis - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:15 UTC

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his on the moon - it would
>> give him an obvious and very practical proof that time is completely
>> different there. Right?
>
> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> earth. Pendulum clocks do not work at all without gravity.
>
> A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock on
> the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different (the
> moon itself vs. the earth itself).

nonsense, you can adjust the second on the moon to be identical to the one
on earth. Go think.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88654&group=sci.physics.relativity#88654

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:c2b:b0:446:512a:26f7 with SMTP id a11-20020a0562140c2b00b00446512a26f7mr4883870qvd.38.1650654078274;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 12:01:18 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5c07:0:b0:2f1:fe44:e72b with SMTP id
i7-20020ac85c07000000b002f1fe44e72bmr4372397qti.319.1650654077993; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 12:01:17 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 12:01:17 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:01:18 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 42
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:01 UTC

On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> >>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> >>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> >>> worshippers?
> >> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
> >> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
> >> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
> >>
> >> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
> >> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
> >> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
> >> all over the world.
> >> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
> >> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
> >>
> >> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
> >
> > And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
> > on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
> > very practical proof that time is completely
> > different there. Right?
> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> earth.

Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
clock, stupid Mike?
Well, buying a solar clock could be even a better bargain, I
guess. A pulsar clock... no.

> A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock on
> the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different (the
> moon itself vs. the earth itself).

But stupid Mike, why? Is Earth gravity blocked somehow
on the moon?

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t3v035$86l$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88660&group=sci.physics.relativity#88660

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Of0kprfJVVw2aVQefhvR6Q.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: bodkin...@gmail.com (Odd Bodkin)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:36:05 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t3v035$86l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="8405"; posting-host="Of0kprfJVVw2aVQefhvR6Q.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:1XjxcHx/a7/XuAiHQ/aMMTTzujA=
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Odd Bodkin - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:36 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
>>>>> worshippers?
>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>>>>
>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
>>>> all over the world.
>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>>>>
>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
>>>
>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
>>> very practical proof that time is completely
>>> different there. Right?
>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
>> earth.
>
> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
> clock, stupid Mike?

Lol. No, you only own part of the clock. Of course, you need both parts to
make it work. Own the pendulum and remove your access to the Earth, and the
part you own doesn’t work as a clock anymore.

You, sir, make a mind like a screen door on a submarine.

> Well, buying a solar clock could be even a better bargain, I
> guess. A pulsar clock... no.
>
>> A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock on
>> the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different (the
>> moon itself vs. the earth itself).
>
> But stupid Mike, why? Is Earth gravity blocked somehow
> on the moon?
>
>
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<1cf33a31-0660-4a3d-a7b5-e4659b78ab3fn@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88664&group=sci.physics.relativity#88664

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:44b4:0:b0:444:45d6:ec25 with SMTP id n20-20020ad444b4000000b0044445d6ec25mr5166077qvt.24.1650656997587;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2a14:b0:69e:9996:4d2b with SMTP id
o20-20020a05620a2a1400b0069e99964d2bmr3647267qkp.280.1650656997441; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <t3v035$86l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v035$86l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <1cf33a31-0660-4a3d-a7b5-e4659b78ab3fn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:49:57 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 38
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:49 UTC

On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:36:09 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> >>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> >>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> >>>>> worshippers?
> >>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
> >>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
> >>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
> >>>>
> >>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
> >>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
> >>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
> >>>> all over the world.
> >>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
> >>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
> >>>>
> >>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
> >>>
> >>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
> >>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
> >>> very practical proof that time is completely
> >>> different there. Right?
> >> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> >> earth.
> >
> > Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
> > clock, stupid Mike?
> Lol. No, you only own part of the clock.

Of course, poor idiot woodworker knows about clocks
far better than a mere watchmaker.
Like always.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88666&group=sci.physics.relativity#88666

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 15:57:56 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="25599"; posting-host="Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.6.1
Content-Language: en-US
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Michael Moroney - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 19:57 UTC

On 4/22/2022 3:01 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
>>>>> worshippers?
>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>>>>
>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
>>>> all over the world.
>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>>>>
>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
>>>
>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
>>> very practical proof that time is completely
>>> different there. Right?
>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
>> earth.
>
> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
> clock, stupid Mike?

Of course not. You only bought part of the clock. What you claim is
that buying a car means you own all the roads since the car doesn't work
without roads.

>> A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock on
>> the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different (the
>> moon itself vs. the earth itself).
>
> But stupid Mike, why? Is Earth gravity blocked somehow
> on the moon?

No, and irrelevant. If you try to use a pendulum clock on the moon using
earth's gravity it won't work because locally, the moon's gravity
overpowers that of the earth, so "down" isn't toward the earth.
Besides, even if you mean a clock at the moon's distance but far from
the moon, the distance between parts of the clock (the earth and the
pendulum) is very different so the clock still won't work right.

You really are dumber (drunker?) than I thought you were.
>
>
>

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88670&group=sci.physics.relativity#88670

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5ca6:0:b0:454:8f2b:f036 with SMTP id q6-20020ad45ca6000000b004548f2bf036mr2301014qvh.4.1650658936569;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1c07:b0:451:e772:df6d with SMTP id
u7-20020a0562141c0700b00451e772df6dmr3689803qvc.129.1650658936308; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 13:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 20:22:16 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 44
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 20:22 UTC

On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:57:56 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 3:01 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> >>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> >>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> >>>>> worshippers?
> >>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
> >>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
> >>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
> >>>>
> >>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
> >>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
> >>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
> >>>> all over the world.
> >>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
> >>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
> >>>>
> >>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
> >>>
> >>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
> >>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
> >>> very practical proof that time is completely
> >>> different there. Right?
> >> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> >> earth.
> >
> > Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
> > clock, stupid Mike?
> Of course not. You only bought part of the clock.

Did the watchmaker rook me, stupid Mike?

> that buying a car means you own all the roads since the car doesn't work
> without roads.

Doesn't that make roads a part of a car in the
relativistic logic?
How about the sea? Is it a part of a boat?

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<pan$8d1ca$5edfeab5$172f3b79$2f02a165@xuelxjxk.io>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88671&group=sci.physics.relativity#88671

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!mLipwYpzeQOxl5Glx+csOw.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: qli...@xuelxjxk.io (Kye Egonidis)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 20:59:23 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <pan$8d1ca$5edfeab5$172f3b79$2f02a165@xuelxjxk.io>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="53772"; posting-host="mLipwYpzeQOxl5Glx+csOw.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/78.9.0
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Kye Egonidis - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 20:59 UTC

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum clock, stupid
>> Mike?
>
> Of course not. You only bought part of the clock. What you claim is
> that buying a car means you own all the roads since the car doesn't work
> without roads.

how moon landing america is gonna win the nazi ukraine war:

Biden - 'In the US military, every vehicle is going to be climate-
friendly. We're spending billions
https://www.bitchute.com/video/V08D0IobDQd0/

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t3v5n4$ep2$2@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88676&group=sci.physics.relativity#88676

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Of0kprfJVVw2aVQefhvR6Q.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: bodkin...@gmail.com (Odd Bodkin)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:12:05 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t3v5n4$ep2$2@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v035$86l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<1cf33a31-0660-4a3d-a7b5-e4659b78ab3fn@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="15138"; posting-host="Of0kprfJVVw2aVQefhvR6Q.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
Cancel-Lock: sha1:ngse2QNfvoUFtUlmwaafMEQSJq8=
 by: Odd Bodkin - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:12 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:36:09 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
>>>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
>>>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
>>>>>>> worshippers?
>>>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
>>>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
>>>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
>>>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
>>>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
>>>>>> all over the world.
>>>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
>>>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
>>>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
>>>>> very practical proof that time is completely
>>>>> different there. Right?
>>>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
>>>> earth.
>>>
>>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
>>> clock, stupid Mike?
>> Lol. No, you only own part of the clock.
>
> Of course, poor idiot woodworker knows about clocks
> far better than a mere watchmaker.
> Like always.
>
>

LOL. A clock maker knows he’s only selling part of the pendulum clock. Go
ahead and ask them, rather than relying on your own common sense. Ask him
if he’ll warranty the operation of the clock if it’s not near the earth,
see what he says. Maybe YOUR common sense isn’t as good as what a
clockmaker knows.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t3v5n5$ep2$3@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88677&group=sci.physics.relativity#88677

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Of0kprfJVVw2aVQefhvR6Q.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: bodkin...@gmail.com (Odd Bodkin)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:12:06 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t3v5n5$ep2$3@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="15138"; posting-host="Of0kprfJVVw2aVQefhvR6Q.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:12aGycofzi2+JMLoiqcvf+NUPdA=
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Odd Bodkin - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:12 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:57:56 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 3:01 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
>>>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
>>>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
>>>>>>> worshippers?
>>>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
>>>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
>>>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
>>>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
>>>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
>>>>>> all over the world.
>>>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
>>>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
>>>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
>>>>> very practical proof that time is completely
>>>>> different there. Right?
>>>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
>>>> earth.
>>>
>>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
>>> clock, stupid Mike?
>> Of course not. You only bought part of the clock.
>
> Did the watchmaker rook me, stupid Mike?

That depends. If you bought it thinking the pendulum clock would work
someplace other than with the earth nearby, then he didn’t sell you
something that would meet your expectations. Is that his fault or yours,
for not knowing what you’re buying.

>
>
>> that buying a car means you own all the roads since the car doesn't work
>> without roads.
>
> Doesn't that make roads a part of a car in the
> relativistic logic?
> How about the sea? Is it a part of a boat?

The function of the boat relies on the fact that the fluid displaced by the
hull will weigh more than the boat does. If you don’t put it in the right
fluid that satisfies that criterion, then the boat will not do what you
hope it will do. Put it in heptane, for example, and it’ll most likely
sink.

You’re an engineer. You should know this stuff.

>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t3vbgi$e51$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88692&group=sci.physics.relativity#88692

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:51:00 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t3vbgi$e51$1@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="14497"; posting-host="Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.6.1
Content-Language: en-US
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Michael Moroney - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 22:51 UTC

On 4/22/2022 4:22 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:57:56 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 3:01 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
>>>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
>>>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
>>>>>>> worshippers?
>>>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
>>>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
>>>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
>>>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
>>>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
>>>>>> all over the world.
>>>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
>>>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
>>>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
>>>>> very practical proof that time is completely
>>>>> different there. Right?
>>>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
>>>> earth.
>>>
>>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
>>> clock, stupid Mike?
>> Of course not. You only bought part of the clock.
>
> Did the watchmaker rook me, stupid Mike?

If he ever mentioned that the clock would work on the moon, or in space
or anywhere other than near the surface of the earth, he did. Otherwise
no. Unless when you buy a car you think you get "rooked" if you don't
receive a land deed to all the roads you'll ever use with the car.
>
>
>> that buying a car means you own all the roads since the car doesn't work
>> without roads.
>
> Doesn't that make roads a part of a car in the
> relativistic logic?

Pendulum clocks aren't "relativistic", janitor.

You need roads if the car is to be of any use.

> How about the sea? Is it a part of a boat?
>

You'll need the sea/lake/river if the boat is of any use.
Just like you need the mass of the earth if a pendulum clock is of any use.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t3vbki$e51$2@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88693&group=sci.physics.relativity#88693

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 18:53:10 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t3vbki$e51$2@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
<t3v5n5$ep2$3@gioia.aioe.org>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="14497"; posting-host="Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.6.1
Content-Language: en-US
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Michael Moroney - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 22:53 UTC

On 4/22/2022 5:12 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> You’re an engineer. You should know this stuff.

Wozniak an engineer? Only as "sanitation engineer" when he empties the
wastebaskets.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<239eff3a-4974-474b-ac80-5215105cc0a7n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88700&group=sci.physics.relativity#88700

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1375:b0:69e:5deb:eb5e with SMTP id d21-20020a05620a137500b0069e5debeb5emr4653580qkl.53.1650686906915;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:192:b0:2f1:eb39:cfb2 with SMTP id
s18-20020a05622a019200b002f1eb39cfb2mr5535538qtw.425.1650686906708; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 21:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <t3v5n4$ep2$2@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v035$86l$1@gioia.aioe.org> <1cf33a31-0660-4a3d-a7b5-e4659b78ab3fn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v5n4$ep2$2@gioia.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <239eff3a-4974-474b-ac80-5215105cc0a7n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 04:08:26 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 56
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 04:08 UTC

On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 23:12:08 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:36:09 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> >>>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> >>>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> >>>>>>> worshippers?
> >>>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
> >>>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
> >>>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
> >>>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
> >>>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
> >>>>>> all over the world.
> >>>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
> >>>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
> >>>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
> >>>>> very practical proof that time is completely
> >>>>> different there. Right?
> >>>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> >>>> earth.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
> >>> clock, stupid Mike?
> >> Lol. No, you only own part of the clock.
> >
> > Of course, poor idiot woodworker knows about clocks
> > far better than a mere watchmaker.
> > Like always.
> >
> >
> LOL. A clock maker knows he’s only selling part of the pendulum clock. Go
> ahead and ask them,

LOL. Go ahead and ask them.

> rather than relying on your own common sense. Ask him
> if he’ll warranty the operation of the clock if it’s not near the earth,

No, ask him if he's selling a whole clock or a part of it,
poor halfbrain.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<afdebad9-74a7-498b-9dc5-9035ac9cf870n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88701&group=sci.physics.relativity#88701

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:211:b0:2f3:4c9a:3bf3 with SMTP id b17-20020a05622a021100b002f34c9a3bf3mr5354125qtx.268.1650687059926;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:714c:0:b0:2f1:e35a:6070 with SMTP id
h12-20020ac8714c000000b002f1e35a6070mr5468775qtp.569.1650687059717; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 21:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <t3vbgi$e51$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org> <beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
<t3vbgi$e51$1@gioia.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <afdebad9-74a7-498b-9dc5-9035ac9cf870n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 04:10:59 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 56
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 04:10 UTC

On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 00:51:02 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 4:22 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:57:56 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/22/2022 3:01 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> >>>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> >>>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> >>>>>>> worshippers?
> >>>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
> >>>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
> >>>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
> >>>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
> >>>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
> >>>>>> all over the world.
> >>>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
> >>>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
> >>>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
> >>>>> very practical proof that time is completely
> >>>>> different there. Right?
> >>>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> >>>> earth.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
> >>> clock, stupid Mike?
> >> Of course not. You only bought part of the clock.
> >
> > Did the watchmaker rook me, stupid Mike?
> If he ever mentioned that the clock would work on the moon,

He didn't but he has told me he's selling me a clock,
not selling me a part of a clock. Did he rook me, stupid
Mike?

> > Doesn't that make roads a part of a car in the
> > relativistic logic?
> Pendulum clocks aren't "relativistic", janitor.

But the logic making them just a part of a clock is
obviously relativistic.

> > How about the sea? Is it a part of a boat?
> >
> You'll need the sea/lake/river if the boat is of any use.

So, are they a part of a boat, samely like Earth is
a part of a pendulum clock?

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<5305b587-7a11-4353-9715-0bec97fc4c00n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88702&group=sci.physics.relativity#88702

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5a84:0:b0:2f1:f687:df63 with SMTP id c4-20020ac85a84000000b002f1f687df63mr5429878qtc.307.1650687182399;
Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2901:b0:69f:690:3647 with SMTP id
m1-20020a05620a290100b0069f06903647mr4618213qkp.501.1650687182283; Fri, 22
Apr 2022 21:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 21:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <t3vbki$e51$2@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org> <beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
<t3v5n5$ep2$3@gioia.aioe.org> <t3vbki$e51$2@gioia.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <5305b587-7a11-4353-9715-0bec97fc4c00n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 04:13:02 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 11
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 04:13 UTC

On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 00:53:09 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 5:12 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
> > You’re an engineer. You should know this stuff.
> Wozniak an engineer? Only as "sanitation engineer" when he empties the
> wastebaskets.

See, stupid Mike: I'm one of the best logicians the humanity
evere had and you're just an ordinary religious maniac of a
third sort. Obviously, you can't discuss against me, all you can
do is barking, spitting and slandering. But you will do
what you can for The Shit you love.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<t409d8$uq5$2@gioia.aioe.org>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88710&group=sci.physics.relativity#88710

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 03:21:16 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <t409d8$uq5$2@gioia.aioe.org>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
<t3vbgi$e51$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<afdebad9-74a7-498b-9dc5-9035ac9cf870n@googlegroups.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="31557"; posting-host="Uh3cGLv3BUP05xA/L7flqA.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/91.6.1
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
Content-Language: en-US
 by: Michael Moroney - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21 UTC

On 4/23/2022 12:10 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 00:51:02 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 4:22 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:57:56 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 3:01 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
>>>>>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
>>>>>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
>>>>>>>>> worshippers?
>>>>>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
>>>>>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
>>>>>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
>>>>>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
>>>>>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
>>>>>>>> all over the world.
>>>>>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
>>>>>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
>>>>>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
>>>>>>> very practical proof that time is completely
>>>>>>> different there. Right?
>>>>>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
>>>>>> earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
>>>>> clock, stupid Mike?
>>>> Of course not. You only bought part of the clock.
>>>
>>> Did the watchmaker rook me, stupid Mike?
>> If he ever mentioned that the clock would work on the moon,
>
> He didn't but he has told me he's selling me a clock,
> not selling me a part of a clock. Did he rook me, stupid
> Mike?

God, when handing out brains, sure did.
>
>>> Doesn't that make roads a part of a car in the
>>> relativistic logic?

>> Pendulum clocks aren't "relativistic", janitor.
>
> But the logic making them just a part of a clock is
> obviously relativistic.
>
Definitely not, they use the Newtonian model of gravity.

And if you really are "one of the best logicians the humanity
evere had", why are you working as a janitor and raging and spitting at
science here?

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<1pqtzkt.62cn5q1pkxgo9N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88714&group=sci.physics.relativity#88714

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 11:13:01 +0200
Organization: De Ster
Lines: 22
Message-ID: <1pqtzkt.62cn5q1pkxgo9N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com> <1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com> <t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <pan$4fd8a$91c8fc9b$ea3db95d$e0aaa87@xuelxjxk.io>
Reply-To: jjlax32@xs4all.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="dce16389a81d583b696ac8289b8fe084";
logging-data="29515"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19cT6rQZYKzI5lmlAG08SR1q0x7fmoPK6c="
User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.5 (ea919cf118) (Mac OS 10.10.5)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:42C2Efy+TVDiJpCEijePHIU42OU=
 by: J. J. Lodder - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 09:13 UTC

Kye Egonidis <qliz@xuelxjxk.io> wrote:

> Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> >> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his on the moon - it would
> >> give him an obvious and very practical proof that time is completely
> >> different there. Right?
> >
> > Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> > earth. Pendulum clocks do not work at all without gravity.
> >
> > A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock on
> > the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different (the
> > moon itself vs. the earth itself).
>
> nonsense, you can adjust the second on the moon to be identical to the one
> on earth. Go think.

There is only one second, and there is nothing to adjust.
Think again,

Jan

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<pan$7f420$e602dada$13d195b7$83986043@vyzsnmmj.ig>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88719&group=sci.physics.relativity#88719

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!aioe.org!tVxh4Xt85snsYyEH7UIy+Q.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: qbn...@vyzsnmmj.ig (Don Christodoulou)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 09:31:21 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID: <pan$7f420$e602dada$13d195b7$83986043@vyzsnmmj.ig>
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
<8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org>
<pan$4fd8a$91c8fc9b$ea3db95d$e0aaa87@xuelxjxk.io>
<1pqtzkt.62cn5q1pkxgo9N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="46844"; posting-host="tVxh4Xt85snsYyEH7UIy+Q.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org";
User-Agent: slnr/1.0.4 (x86_64)
X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2
 by: Don Christodoulou - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 09:31 UTC

J. J. Lodder wrote:

>> > A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock
>> > on the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different
>> > (the moon itself vs. the earth itself).
>>
>> nonsense, you can adjust the second on the moon to be identical to the
>> one on earth. Go think.
>
> There is only one second, and there is nothing to adjust.
> Think again,

the second of the pendulum on earth, you fucking imbecile. You can't
follow a discussion. Read before are posting crap. You uneducated idiot.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<f72e88c9-9fa4-495f-a8b7-e90604e87918n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88729&group=sci.physics.relativity#88729

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7d4d:0:b0:2f1:fcbc:b8a1 with SMTP id h13-20020ac87d4d000000b002f1fcbcb8a1mr6412741qtb.567.1650717861579;
Sat, 23 Apr 2022 05:44:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:205:b0:2f3:54b8:5f44 with SMTP id
b5-20020a05622a020500b002f354b85f44mr6253773qtx.336.1650717861374; Sat, 23
Apr 2022 05:44:21 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 05:44:21 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1pqtzkt.62cn5q1pkxgo9N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <pan$4fd8a$91c8fc9b$ea3db95d$e0aaa87@xuelxjxk.io>
<1pqtzkt.62cn5q1pkxgo9N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <f72e88c9-9fa4-495f-a8b7-e90604e87918n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:44:21 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 23
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:44 UTC

On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 11:13:04 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Kye Egonidis <ql...@xuelxjxk.io> wrote:
>
> > Michael Moroney wrote:
> >
> > >> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his on the moon - it would
> > >> give him an obvious and very practical proof that time is completely
> > >> different there. Right?
> > >
> > > Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> > > earth. Pendulum clocks do not work at all without gravity.
> > >
> > > A pendulum clock on the moon cannot be identical to a pendulum clock on
> > > the earth, because an actual component of the clock is different (the
> > > moon itself vs. the earth itself).
> >
> > nonsense, you can adjust the second on the moon to be identical to the one
> > on earth. Go think.
> There is only one second, and there is nothing to adjust.

A pity that - it is still adjusted. Anyone can check GPS, TAI...
The lies of your insane bunch end there.
Anyone can check a dictionary, too. There are 2 seconds.
Just another lie, as expected from a relativistic stinker.

Re: Why demand of identical clocks?

<b4e991b8-db6c-48b9-b49e-c98fdc4fc7e2n@googlegroups.com>

 copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/tech/article-flat.php?id=88730&group=sci.physics.relativity#88730

 copy link   Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2aa2:b0:446:66a7:49b3 with SMTP id js2-20020a0562142aa200b0044666a749b3mr6976956qvb.7.1650718031367;
Sat, 23 Apr 2022 05:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a37:a689:0:b0:69e:be4d:6d8f with SMTP id
p131-20020a37a689000000b0069ebe4d6d8fmr5432957qke.332.1650718031221; Sat, 23
Apr 2022 05:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 05:47:11 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <t409d8$uq5$2@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.206.14.16; posting-account=I3DWzAoAAACOmZUdDcZ-C0PqAZGVsbW0
NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.206.14.16
References: <6980e8be-ab8a-48af-bd11-fe97d8b47c9cn@googlegroups.com>
<1pqt409.vzjmfs1usa1quN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <8eb5a2fc-f6c5-457c-acb8-1d93e9907f07n@googlegroups.com>
<t3uomf$t79$1@gioia.aioe.org> <cf62ab70-c967-467f-a4c1-cea46b074ebcn@googlegroups.com>
<t3v1c1$ovv$1@gioia.aioe.org> <beb7e2d0-f7e6-4be8-9dec-3d3b6b12110an@googlegroups.com>
<t3vbgi$e51$1@gioia.aioe.org> <afdebad9-74a7-498b-9dc5-9035ac9cf870n@googlegroups.com>
<t409d8$uq5$2@gioia.aioe.org>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <b4e991b8-db6c-48b9-b49e-c98fdc4fc7e2n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Why demand of identical clocks?
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
Injection-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:47:11 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Lines: 59
 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 12:47 UTC

On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 09:21:16 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/23/2022 12:10 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Saturday, 23 April 2022 at 00:51:02 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/22/2022 4:22 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:57:56 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>> On 4/22/2022 3:01 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 19:29:54 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/22/2022 5:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 11:00:36 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Was it also valid in Newtonian physics, when
> >>>>>>>>> the only reliable clocks were pendulums,
> >>>>>>>>> or is it maybe an invention of Einstein's
> >>>>>>>>> worshippers?
> >>>>>>>> Of course identical clocks existed well before Einstein.
> >>>>>>>> That is, as identical as they could practically be.
> >>>>>>>> There were specialised firms that built small series of them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A well known one is the Riefler clock at NIST.
> >>>>>>>> <https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Riefler_clock_NIST.jpg>
> >>>>>>>> Riefler built about 600 of them, whic were used for time services
> >>>>>>>> all over the world.
> >>>>>>>> It served as the primary time standard for the USA, (1904-1929)
> >>>>>>>> accurate to about 10 millisecond/day, (10^-7)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Having (three!) identical clocks is just very practical.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And if Newton put one pendulum identical to his
> >>>>>>> on the moon - it would give him an obvious and
> >>>>>>> very practical proof that time is completely
> >>>>>>> different there. Right?
> >>>>>> Wrong. The (mass of) the earth is part of every pendulum clock on
> >>>>>> earth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh, really? Do I own whole Earth after buying a pendulum
> >>>>> clock, stupid Mike?
> >>>> Of course not. You only bought part of the clock.
> >>>
> >>> Did the watchmaker rook me, stupid Mike?
> >> If he ever mentioned that the clock would work on the moon,
> >
> > He didn't but he has told me he's selling me a clock,
> > not selling me a part of a clock. Did he rook me, stupid
> > Mike?
> God, when handing out brains, sure did.
> >
> >>> Doesn't that make roads a part of a car in the
> >>> relativistic logic?
>
> >> Pendulum clocks aren't "relativistic", janitor.
> >
> > But the logic making them just a part of a clock is
> > obviously relativistic.
> >
> Definitely not

Definiitely yes. Only you're THAT stupid.
So, is the sea a part of a boat, stupid Mike?

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.7
clearnet tor