When clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
them - it's a "clock error".
When clocks desynchronize, but we're finding it
proper - it's "time dilation".
There is no time dilation at GPS, sorry.
Time is what clocks indicate, and GPS time
( https://www.ipses.com/eng/in-depth-analysis/standard-of-time-definition/ )
is galilean with the precision of an acceptable error.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
> them - it's a "clock error".
> When clocks desynchronize, but we're finding it
> proper - it's "time dilation".

First of all, you use the words “proper” incorrectly in the context of
physics. You seem to be confused about the specialized language used in
physics (as is true in many disciplines).

Secondly, all clock errors have sources, some stochastic, some systematic.
Finding out the reason for the systematic ones is useful, because it aids
design. Others are not worthwhile to find sources for and to build those
into the design, and for those a simple post-facto, feedback loop
correction suffices. Basically, it means anything you don’t care to track
down, you can correct for. But this doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t try to
track down ANYTHING and just correct everything ad hoc. That would be
STUPID.

And so GOOD engineers make good calls on what they want to understand and
build into the design and what things they do not wish to try to understand
and build into the design.

CRAPPY engineers just correct anything and everything without bothering to
understand why.

> There is no time dilation at GPS, sorry.
> Time is what clocks indicate, and GPS time
> ( https://www.ipses.com/eng/in-depth-analysis/standard-of-time-definition/ )
> is galilean with the precision of an acceptable error.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:33 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
> > them - it's a "clock error".
> > When clocks desynchronize, but we're finding it
> > proper - it's "time dilation".
> First of all, you use the words “proper” incorrectly in the context of
> physics.

An assertion of a fanatic idiot is not a valid argument, unfortunately.

> Secondly, all clock errors have sources, some stochastic, some systematic..

And your bunch of idiots is free to play explaining them.
Still, when clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
them - it's a clock error. 100%classical phenomenon.

Time dilation is when clocks desynchronize, but we're
finding it proper/correct/ideal/perfect.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:33 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> When clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
>>> them - it's a "clock error".
>>> When clocks desynchronize, but we're finding it
>>> proper - it's "time dilation".
>> First of all, you use the words “proper” incorrectly in the context of
>> physics.
>
> An assertion of a fanatic idiot is not a valid argument, unfortunately.

The language in the context of physics is described in books written by
physicists. You don’t have to read those if you don’t want to, but of
course you’ll then never learn the meanings of those terms as used in
physics.

>
>> Secondly, all clock errors have sources, some stochastic, some systematic.
>
> And your bunch of idiots is free to play explaining them.
> Still, when clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
> them - it's a clock error. 100%classical phenomenon.

No, as I said, some of those effects go into the design and are not treated
as errors.

BAD engineers will ignore effects that can be designed for and then correct
on the fly.

>
> Time dilation is when clocks desynchronize, but we're
> finding it proper/correct/ideal/perfect.

Again, you are not using “proper” correctly in the context of physics.

>
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:33 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
> >>> them - it's a "clock error".
> >>> When clocks desynchronize, but we're finding it
> >>> proper - it's "time dilation".
> >> First of all, you use the words “proper” incorrectly in the context of
> >> physics.
> >
> > An assertion of a fanatic idiot is not a valid argument, unfortunately.
> The language in the context of physics is described in books written by
> physicists.

1)Your idiot gurus were always too dumb to do it well
2) An assertion of a fanatic idiot is still not a valid argument.

> >> Secondly, all clock errors have sources, some stochastic, some systematic.
> >
> > And your bunch of idiots is free to play explaining them.
> > Still, when clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
> > them - it's a clock error. 100%classical phenomenon.
> No, as I said, some of those effects go into the design and are not treated
> as errors.

Well, yes, that's exactly how they're treaten. Your moronic
assertionms are not going to change anything.

On 4/25/2022 11:05 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:33 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When clocks desynchronize and we're correcting
>>>>> them - it's a "clock error".
>>>>> When clocks desynchronize, but we're finding it
>>>>> proper - it's "time dilation".
>>>> First of all, you use the words “proper” incorrectly in the context of
>>>> physics.
>>>
>>> An assertion of a fanatic idiot is not a valid argument, unfortunately.

>> The language in the context of physics is described in books written by
>> physicists.
>
> 1)Your idiot gurus were always too dumb to do it well
> 2) An assertion of a fanatic idiot is still not a valid argument.
>
Sorry, it is physics jargon, with a specific meaning. All fields have
their own jargon. What does the English word "word" mean to you? My
field uses it as jargon with a meaning rather different from what
dictionaries have. And it's not physics but computers.

Even without jargon, look up almost *any* English word and it will
almost always have multiple definitions, depending on context. Maybe
Polish or whatever other languages you may know don't do this, but
English sure does.

The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
phrase "proper time". There is also "proper acceleration" and "proper
length" less commonly, and one can back-translate "proper" in that
context to mean what a measuring device local to the measurer measures.

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:

> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> phrase "proper time".

Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
or not?

On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>
>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
>> phrase "proper time".
>
> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> or not?

You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
order for it to work at all. That component is not own-able and isn't
for sale. Fortunately for pendulum clock users, that component is freely
available and sharable, so isn't included with a sale of most of a
pendulum clock.

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >
> >> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> >> phrase "proper time".
> >
> > Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> > lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> > or not?
> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.

Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?

> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> order for it to work at all.

Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?

On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>
>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
>>>> phrase "proper time".
>>>
>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
>>> or not?
>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
>
> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?

Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
>
>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
>> order for it to work at all.
>
> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?

Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
keep correct time.

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> >>>> phrase "proper time".
> >>>
> >>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> >>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> >>> or not?
> >> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
> >
> > Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
> >
> >> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> >> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> >> order for it to work at all.
> >
> > Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
> keep correct time.

Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
Believe or not, it can be adjusted.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
>>>>>> phrase "proper time".
>>>>>
>>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
>>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
>>>>> or not?
>>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
>>>
>>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
>> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
>>>
>>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
>>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
>>>> order for it to work at all.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
>> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
>> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
>> keep correct time.
>
> Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
> Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
>

Indeed it can! And of course, if you’re a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
on the pendulum rod, one for “Earth” and another for “Mars”, so that the
clock will still tick seconds. This isn’t treated as a “clock error” to be
corrected, it’s considered a clock *feature* that comes from understanding
a relevant systematic effect.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 22:10:16 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> >>>>>> phrase "proper time".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> >>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> >>>>> or not?
> >>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever..
> >>>
> >>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
> >> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
> >>>
> >>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> >>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> >>>> order for it to work at all.
> >>>
> >>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
> >> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
> >> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
> >> keep correct time.
> >
> > Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
> > Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
> >
> Indeed it can! And of course, if you’re a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
> the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
> period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
> by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
> on the pendulum rod, one for “Earth” and another for “Mars”, so that the
> clock will still tick seconds. This isn’t treated as a “clock error” to be
> corrected,

Yes, it is. And a pendulum period differs significantly
between Earth equator and Earth pole; no surprise,
however, that a crappy woodworker knows nothiong
about that.
BTW, do we agree that a period of Cs radiation differs
between Earth and a GPS satellite, samely as pendulum
period differs between Earth and Mars?

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> >>>>>> phrase "proper time".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> >>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> >>>>> or not?
> >>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
> >>>
> >>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
> >> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
> >>>
> >>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> >>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> >>>> order for it to work at all.
> >>>
> >>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
> >> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
> >> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
> >> keep correct time.
> >
> > Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
> > Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
> >
>
> Indeed it can! And of course, if you're a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
> the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
> period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
> by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
> on the pendulum rod, one for "Earth" and another for "Mars", so that the
> clock will still tick seconds. This isn't treated as a "clock error" to be
> corrected, it's considered a clock *feature* that comes from understanding
> a relevant systematic effect.

And anyway, pendulum clocks are unsuitable as precision timekepers,
ever since about 1930. (when stabilised quartz clocks took over)
They are limited to stability of about 10^-8 perhaps 10^-9,
that is about a millisecond/day. (for Shortt free pendulum clocks)
Nothing to be done about it, the length of a metal rod
under varying tension just isn't stable enough.

At their very best they were a bit more stable
than the axial rotation of the Earth,
but still worse than ephemeris time,

Jan

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 11:19:08 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> > >>>>>> phrase "proper time".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> > >>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> > >>>>> or not?
> > >>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
> > >>>
> > >>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
> > >> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
> > >>>
> > >>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> > >>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> > >>>> order for it to work at all.
> > >>>
> > >>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
> > >> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
> > >> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
> > >> keep correct time.
> > >
> > > Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
> > > Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
> > >
> >
> > Indeed it can! And of course, if you're a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
> > the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
> > period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
> > by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
> > on the pendulum rod, one for "Earth" and another for "Mars", so that the
> > clock will still tick seconds. This isn't treated as a "clock error" to be
> > corrected, it's considered a clock *feature* that comes from understanding
> > a relevant systematic effect.
> And anyway, pendulum clocks are unsuitable as precision timekepers,
> ever since about 1930. (when stabilised quartz clocks took over)
> They are limited to stability of about 10^-8 perhaps 10^-9,
> that is about a millisecond/day. (for Shortt free pendulum clocks)
> Nothing to be done about it, the length of a metal rod
> under varying tension just isn't stable enough.

Averaging, poor halfbrain... caesium clocks are
also not stable enough for precise timekeeping,
but a competent staff can manage that.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 11:19:08 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
[-]
> > > Indeed it can! And of course, if you're a CRAPPY engineer, you can
> > > adjust the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would
> > > know that the period is a constant times the square root of the
> > > pendulum length divided by the local gravitational acceleration, and
> > > so could DESIGN a couple marks on the pendulum rod, one for "Earth"
> > > and another for "Mars", so that the clock will still tick seconds.
> > > This isn't treated as a "clock error" to be corrected, it's considered
> > > a clock *feature* that comes from understanding a relevant systematic
> > > effect.
> > And anyway, pendulum clocks are unsuitable as precision timekepers,
> > ever since about 1930. (when stabilised quartz clocks took over)
> > They are limited to stability of about 10^-8 perhaps 10^-9,
> > that is about a millisecond/day. (for Shortt free pendulum clocks)
> > Nothing to be done about it, the length of a metal rod
> > under varying tension just isn't stable enough.
>
> Averaging, poor halfbrain... caesium clocks are
> also not stable enough for precise timekeeping,
> but a competent staff can manage that.

Dear nobrain, you cannot average away systematic errors,

Jan

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 13:02:10 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 11:19:08 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [-]
> > > > Indeed it can! And of course, if you're a CRAPPY engineer, you can
> > > > adjust the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would
> > > > know that the period is a constant times the square root of the
> > > > pendulum length divided by the local gravitational acceleration, and
> > > > so could DESIGN a couple marks on the pendulum rod, one for "Earth"
> > > > and another for "Mars", so that the clock will still tick seconds.
> > > > This isn't treated as a "clock error" to be corrected, it's considered
> > > > a clock *feature* that comes from understanding a relevant systematic
> > > > effect.
> > > And anyway, pendulum clocks are unsuitable as precision timekepers,
> > > ever since about 1930. (when stabilised quartz clocks took over)
> > > They are limited to stability of about 10^-8 perhaps 10^-9,
> > > that is about a millisecond/day. (for Shortt free pendulum clocks)
> > > Nothing to be done about it, the length of a metal rod
> > > under varying tension just isn't stable enough.
> >
> > Averaging, poor halfbrain... caesium clocks are
> > also not stable enough for precise timekeeping,
> > but a competent staff can manage that.
> Dear nobrain, you cannot average away systematic errors,

The ones you've mentioned were not systematic.
Systematic is, for instance, the error of your
perfect differently clock on a GPS satellite. And
it's dealt with accordingly.

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:37:31 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 22:10:16 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> > >>>>>> phrase "proper time".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> > >>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> > >>>>> or not?
> > >>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
> > >>>
> > >>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
> > >> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
> > >>>
> > >>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> > >>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> > >>>> order for it to work at all.
> > >>>
> > >>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
> > >> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
> > >> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
> > >> keep correct time.
> > >
> > > Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
> > > Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
> > >
> > Indeed it can! And of course, if you’re a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
> > the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
> > period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
> > by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
> > on the pendulum rod, one for “Earth” and another for “Mars”, so that the
> > clock will still tick seconds. This isn’t treated as a “clock error” to be
> > corrected,
> Yes, it is.

No, it's not.

> And a pendulum period differs significantly
> between Earth equator and Earth pole; no surprise,
> however, that a crappy woodworker knows nothiong
> about that.

Yes, I do know that.

> BTW, do we agree that a period of Cs radiation differs
> between Earth and a GPS satellite, samely as pendulum
> period differs between Earth and Mars?

Yes, indeed, which is why there is a design feature to adjust the clock (not forbidden at all), recognizing a known effect (not an error).

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 15:37:15 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:37:31 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 22:10:16 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > > >> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > > >>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> > > >>>>>> phrase "proper time".
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> > > >>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> > > >>>>> or not?
> > > >>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
> > > >> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> > > >>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> > > >>>> order for it to work at all.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
> > > >> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
> > > >> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
> > > >> keep correct time.
> > > >
> > > > Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
> > > > Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
> > > >
> > > Indeed it can! And of course, if you’re a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
> > > the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
> > > period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
> > > by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
> > > on the pendulum rod, one for “Earth” and another for “Mars”, so that the
> > > clock will still tick seconds. This isn’t treated as a “clock error” to be
> > > corrected,
> > Yes, it is.
> No, it's not.

An assertion of a fanatic idiot is not a valid argument. Sorry.

> > And a pendulum period differs significantly
> > between Earth equator and Earth pole; no surprise,
> > however, that a crappy woodworker knows nothiong
> > about that.
> Yes, I do know that.

But you want a mark "Earth" on the pendulum. You're an idiot, but it
was obvious before.

> > BTW, do we agree that a period of Cs radiation differs
> > between Earth and a GPS satellite, samely as pendulum
> > period differs between Earth and Mars?
> Yes, indeed

Well, your idiot guru has postulated oppositely. Too bad
for him.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 15:37:15 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:37:31 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 22:10:16 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
>>>>>>>>>> phrase "proper time".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
>>>>>>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
>>>>>>>>> or not?
>>>>>>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
>>>>>> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
>>>>>>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
>>>>>>>> order for it to work at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
>>>>>> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
>>>>>> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
>>>>>> keep correct time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
>>>>> Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed it can! And of course, if you’re a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
>>>> the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
>>>> period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
>>>> by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
>>>> on the pendulum rod, one for “Earth” and another for “Mars”, so that the
>>>> clock will still tick seconds. This isn’t treated as a “clock error” to be
>>>> corrected,
>>> Yes, it is.
>> No, it's not.
>
> An assertion of a fanatic idiot is not a valid argument. Sorry.

Well, neither is an assertion of a non-physicist who knows nothing about
physics terminology.

Again, this is a PHYSICS newsgroup. This is not a How-Woz-Would-Do-Things
group.

You are just as dismissible as you dismiss anyone here. And you accomplish
nothing.

>
>
>>> And a pendulum period differs significantly
>>> between Earth equator and Earth pole; no surprise,
>>> however, that a crappy woodworker knows nothiong
>>> about that.
>> Yes, I do know that.
>
> But you want a mark "Earth" on the pendulum. You're an idiot, but it
> was obvious before.

LOL. Ok, you can have lots of little Earth marks, each with a lookup table
by latitude and elevation.

>
>
>>> BTW, do we agree that a period of Cs radiation differs
>>> between Earth and a GPS satellite, samely as pendulum
>>> period differs between Earth and Mars?
>> Yes, indeed
>
> Well, your idiot guru has postulated oppositely. Too bad
> for him.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 21:16:38 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 15:37:15 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:37:31 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 22:10:16 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:37:17 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/25/2022 12:59 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:54:06 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2022 12:45 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:31:25 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The specific meaning really isn't attached to "proper" itself but the
> >>>>>>>>>> phrase "proper time".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Only such an idiot can believe such an impudent
> >>>>>>>>> lie. BTW, how is sea, stupid Mike? Is it a part of a boat
> >>>>>>>>> or not?
> >>>>>>>> You need the sea, a lake or river if a boat is of any use whatsoever.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Don't say, stupid Mike, I do?
> >>>>>> Poor, confused janitor. Have another swig of vodka.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But since there are many different lakes, rivers and seas, the answer is
> >>>>>>>> really no. A pendulum clock, however, needs one specific component in
> >>>>>>>> order for it to work at all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wouldn't one work on Mars, stupid Mike?
> >>>>>> Of course not, since you replaced one necessary component with another!
> >>>>>> Yeah the clock will go tick tock and the hands will move, but it won't
> >>>>>> keep correct time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have you ever seen a pendulum clock, stupid Mike?
> >>>>> Believe or not, it can be adjusted.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Indeed it can! And of course, if you’re a CRAPPY engineer, you can adjust
> >>>> the pendulum clock ad hoc. If course, a GOOD engineer would know that the
> >>>> period is a constant times the square root of the pendulum length divided
> >>>> by the local gravitational acceleration, and so could DESIGN a couple marks
> >>>> on the pendulum rod, one for “Earth” and another for “Mars”, so that the
> >>>> clock will still tick seconds. This isn’t treated as a “clock error” to be
> >>>> corrected,
> >>> Yes, it is.
> >> No, it's not.
> >
> > An assertion of a fanatic idiot is not a valid argument. Sorry.
> Well, neither is an assertion of a non-physicist who knows nothing about
> physics terminology.

Odd, language and terminology are a part of my
domain.
They're not physical objects, your idiot gurus know
very little about them, and you know exactly
nothing, poor trash.

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
[-]
> LOL. Ok, you can have lots of little Earth marks, each with a lookup table
> by latitude and elevation.

Huygens already knew it.
When he travelled to Paris with his brand new pendulum clock
he discovered that it went slow there.
Pendulum clocks had to be regulated at each location.
It was a laborious process, because time standards were largely absent,
(except for those with friends at an astronomical observatory)

Huygens may have known how many turns of the adjustment screw
were needed between The Hague and Paris,

Jan

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 23:24:33 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Huygens may have known how many turns of the adjustment screw
> were needed between The Hague and Paris,

GPS staff, on the other hand, know how to regulate
perfect differently clocks of an idiot physicists.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 23:24:33 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>> Huygens may have known how many turns of the adjustment screw
>> were needed between The Hague and Paris,
>
> GPS staff, on the other hand, know how to regulate
> perfect differently clocks of an idiot physicists.
>

And I’m sure 2nd grade English teachers would know how to regulate your
sentences.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables