El lunes, 25 de abril de 2022 a las 10:29:22 UTC-4, maluw...@gmail.com escribió:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:50:22 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:

> > > I'm not talking about physics, i"m not especially interested
> > > in your gedanken delusions (though I know them much better
> > > than you do). I'm talking about the real world and the real clocks.

> > And in the real world and with the real clocks of the GPS satellites, they are corrected

> against you Holiest Postulate (demanding all clocks to
> be identical) and your ISO idiocy.(demanding Cs
> clocks to be set to 9 192 631 770).

None of physics postulates demand "all clocks to be identical". What physicist demand is that clocks (used in experiments and real world applications) to be accurate (within their domain of applicability). Cs atomic clocks have accuracies on the order of 10^-16 (meaning an uncertainty of 1 second in 300 million years). Optical lattice atomic clocks using ytterbium-171 atoms, set a new record for stability with a precision of 1.6×10^−18 (meaning two optical lattice clocks working independently from each other used by the NIST research team would differ less than a second over the age of the universe (13.8×10^9 years).

You clearly know nothing of this

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 17:10:01 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> El lunes, 25 de abril de 2022 a las 10:29:22 UTC-4, maluw...@gmail.com escribió:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:50:22 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>
> > > > I'm not talking about physics, i"m not especially interested
> > > > in your gedanken delusions (though I know them much better
> > > > than you do). I'm talking about the real world and the real clocks.
>
> > > And in the real world and with the real clocks of the GPS satellites, they are corrected
>
> > against you Holiest Postulate (demanding all clocks to
> > be identical) and your ISO idiocy.(demanding Cs
> > clocks to be set to 9 192 631 770).
>
> None of physics postulates demand "all clocks to be identical".

Your moronic lies won't make facts go away, poor halfbrain.
You clearly know nothing of this

El lunes, 25 de abril de 2022 a las 11:18:28 UTC-4, maluw...@gmail.com escribió:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 17:10:01 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > El lunes, 25 de abril de 2022 a las 10:29:22 UTC-4, maluw...@gmail.com escribió:
> > > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:50:22 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> >
> > > > > I'm not talking about physics, i"m not especially interested
> > > > > in your gedanken delusions (though I know them much better
> > > > > than you do). I'm talking about the real world and the real clocks.
> >
> > > > And in the real world and with the real clocks of the GPS satellites, they are corrected
> >
> > > against you Holiest Postulate (demanding all clocks to
> > > be identical) and your ISO idiocy.(demanding Cs
> > > clocks to be set to 9 192 631 770).
> >
> > None of physics postulates demand "all clocks to be identical".

> Your moronic lies won't make facts go away, poor halfbrain.

The only one lying here is you, janitor. None of physics postulates demand "all clocks to be identical"

On 4/24/22 5:37 PM, RichD wrote:
> So observers in different frames, each with his own 'now', will see
> different realities. No unique correct answers.

This is wrong. The world is unique. But different observers can have
different perspectives.

Any quantity that is observed or measured is inherently invariant -- all
observers will agree about what observer A measures for a given
quantity. This is so even when other observers use their own instruments
to measure that quantity and obtain different values, because when they
transform their measurements from their own coordinates to those of
observer A, they obtain consistency with observer A's value.

When observer A measures the value "10" for a quantity, it
makes no sense at all for other observers to claim that is
not the value observer A obtained.

If that were not true, then the physics they are using is flawed --
inconsistent with the world. Special Relativity, and General Relativity,
have been tested zillions of times and never found wanting (within their
respective domains of applicability).

In your first example (my description of your poorly-worded scenario):
Two identical clocks start synchronized in a valley, one is
carried (slowly) to the top of a mountain and left there for
a while, then it is (slowly) brought back down to the valley,
and their elapsed proper times are compared when they are
back together.
Everybody agrees that the clock that remained in the valley shows less
elapsed proper time than the one carried up and down the mountain. There
are no "different realities" here. In GR this is modeled as due to their
different paths through spacetime; both clocks tick at their usual rate
throughout; the integrals involved in this calculation are manifestly
coordinate independent. This is known as the "gravitational twin
paradox". No signals are involved.

In your second example (my description of your poorly-worded scenario):
Identical clocks are located in a valley and at the top of a
mountain. At each tick of the latter a radio signal is sent
to the valley where a receiver compares the rate of the
received signals to the tick rate of the clock in the valley
(receiver and clock are co-located and co-moving).
Everybody agrees that the received signals tick faster than the clock in
the valley. There are no "different realities" here. In GR this is
modeled as due to the way those signals are generated and measured; both
clocks tick at their usual rate throughout; there are no integrals
involved here, and this is a basic example of geometrical projection
[#]. This is known as "gravitational redshift (blueshift)". The signals
are inherent and cannot be ignored.

[#] a clock can only measure the time between events on
its own worldline. So to measure the time between signals
it must project their time difference onto itself.

Tom Roberts

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
>>>>>>> How stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it does.
>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
>>>
>>> It does.
>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
>
> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?

Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.

“Normal” does not mean anyone who is not a physicist. You are not a
physicist, and you are also not aware of physics jargon AND you are not
representative of normal people.

>
> Well, it's true. For normal people "proper" means proper,
> and not-proper, i.e. improper means forbidden.

And once again, you do not know the meaning of words in physics. “Proper
time” does not mean “correct time” in physics. Taking the antonym to mean
anything forbidden is also flat wrong.

You are going to continue to make idiotic rants, just because you don’t
know what the words mean.

>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:16:23 UTC+2, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 4/24/22 5:37 PM, RichD wrote:
> > So observers in different frames, each with his own 'now', will see
> > different realities. No unique correct answers.
>
> This is wrong. The world is unique. But different observers can have
> different perspectives.

And they generally have nothing in common with
the relativistic tales, samely as the real indications
of the real clocks.

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> >>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
> >>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> >>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
> >>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
> >>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
> >>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> LOL.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
> >>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
> >>>>>>> How stupid.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
> >>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
> >>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, it does.
> >>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
> >>>
> >>> It does.
> >> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
> >
> > I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
> > a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
> > is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.

Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
their meaning are a part of my domain; but, just
like many other arrogant idiots you're not going to
ever accept that anyone could know better than
you do.
You are going to continue to make idiotic rants,
just because you don’t know what the words mean.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
>>>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
>>>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
>>>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
>>>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
>>>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
>>>>>>>>> How stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
>>>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
>>>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it does.
>>>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does.
>>>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
>>>
>>> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
>>> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
>>> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
>> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.
>
> Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
> not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
> their meaning are a part of my domain;

Well, then you’re a vastly undertrained “information engineer”, because
you’ve not bothered to learn the meaning of the words used in physics. And
yet here you are, playing in a space where you are under equipped. Sounds
foolish to me.

Isn’t it interesting that a woodworker knows more about the meaning of
words as used in physics than does an “information engineer” whose job he
says is to know words and their meaning?

Sounds like a nutjob overselling his importance to me!

> but, just
> like many other arrogant idiots you're not going to
> ever accept that anyone could know better than
> you do.
> You are going to continue to make idiotic rants,
> just because you don’t know what the words mean.
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 20:45:39 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> >>>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
> >>>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
> >>>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
> >>>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> LOL.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
> >>>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
> >>>>>>>>> How stupid.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
> >>>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
> >>>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes, it does.
> >>>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It does.
> >>>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
> >>>
> >>> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
> >>> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
> >>> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
> >> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.
> >
> > Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
> > not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
> > their meaning are a part of my domain;
> Well, then you’re a vastly undertrained “information engineer”, because
> you’ve not bothered to learn the meaning of the words used in physics.

You know NOTHING about the subject, yet you're
expecting professionals to learn - from you.
You're an idiot, Bod; but - well - it happens.

> Isn’t it interesting that a woodworker knows more about the meaning of
> words as used in physics

Would be interesting if it wasn't just a sweet dream of
that woodworker. Dunning Kruger, Bod.

patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 12:15:21 PM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > patdolan <patd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:53:25 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >> patdolan <patd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 10:39:58 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >>>> On 4/21/2022 12:05 PM, patdolan wrote:
> > >>>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 8:44:51 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney:
> > >>>>>> On 4/21/2022 6:13 AM, patdolan wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 2:47:39 AM UTC-7, Paul B. Andersen:
> > >>>>>>>> Den 14.04.2022 22:19, skrev patdolan:
> > >>>>>>>>> Bodkin, my boy, according to GR there is a time dilation of 6
> > >>>>>>>>> seconds per year at the surface of the sun. There must be some
> > >>>>>>>>> constant of nature that will betray these six seconds when
> > >>>>>>>>> observed from the earth. Perhaps the ratio of hydrogen to helium
> > >>>>>>>>> spectra or something. Run along now and bring us such data.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1960
> > >>>>>>>> MNRAS.121..421H&defaultprint=YES&filetype=.pdf
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thank you Paul. I take it that you are entering this document as
> > >>>>>>> evidence that the electron transitions in iron and oxygen are time
> > >>>>>>> dilated at, or near the surface of the sun--in other words, atoms
> > >>>>>>> carry on their operations at a slower pace near the sun because of
> > >>>>>>> gravitational time dilation.
> > >>>>>> Rather, those atoms carry on at their own usual rate, although we on
> > >>>>>> earth measure it slower since we're further out of the solar gravity
> > >>>>>> well.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Similarly, if those atoms were to observe us, they'd see our
> > >>>>>> light blue shifted because we're further out of the gravity well.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> There is no way to try and compare the tick rate of clocks
> > >>>>>> without some sort of signalling from one to the other, signalling
> > >>>>>> which is subjects to gravitational or velocity-related red or
> > >>>>>> blue shifts.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So Moroney, you and Bodkin will concede that an un-meltable atomic
> > >>>>> clock will run at the same rate on the surface of the sun as it does
> > >>>>> on the surface of the earth?
> > >>>> As measured locally, yes. Remember the act of transporting it between
> > >>>> the sun and earth affect measurement the same way light signals are
> > >>>> affected.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We already know this with GPS birds. On earth a Cs clock will tick 1
> > >>>> second per 9192631770 Cs radiation cycles, regardless of whether the
> > >>>> clock is aboard an unlaunched satellite or some other Cs clock. Once
> > >>>> launched, the same Cs clock ticks 1 second per 9192631770 cycles LOCAL
> > >>>> TO IT, but as seen from earth that clock appears to run fast. For that
> > >>>> reason the clock used for earth-destined signals are adjusted slightly
> > >>>> (less than 1 part per billion) so the signal is RECEIVED at the correct
> > >>>> frequency, even if not TRANSMITTED at the correct frequency.
> > >>>> (10.22999999543 MHz transmitted vs. 10.23 MHz received)
> > >>>
> > >>> If both a GPS bird clock and the surface clock tick at the same rate
> > >>> locally, then, should that bird land the exact amount of seconds should
> > >>> have accumulated on both clocks when compared to each other. Correct?
> > >> No. Even ignoring the special relativistic twin paradox
> > >> there will be the general relativistic twin paradox.
> > >> (Hafele and Keating all over again)
> > >>
> > >> You really age faster on top of a mountain,
> > >>
> > >> Jan
> > > JJ contradicts your position, Bodkin and Moronieo.
> > No, he doesn't. You seem deeply confused.
>
> So, Bodkin and Moroney, you both agree with JJ that an un-meltable atomic
> clock operating on the surface of the sun for one year will have 6 fewer
> seconds than an atomic clock operating on the surface of the earth after
> both are brought together for comparison?

Yes, that is the general relativistic twin paradox.
You may have been confused by all this talk of clocks running slow.
They don't, it is time itself that is running slow.
And therefore every physical process runs slow in just the same way.
(so including clocks, and your body rythms)
So if you just sit in your room there is no way that you can notice.

Remember that kindergarten question about what would happen
if everything in your house got twice as big overnight?
Could you notice it?
The (too) simple answer is no,
but you could, if your friend next door had not grown.

Same with those clocks: you can find out
that your clock on the mountain is fast
if you and your friend in the valley look for a while
at some outside events, the ticking of a pulsar for example.
(and next compare notes)

Jan

On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 21:42:12 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Yes, that is the general relativistic twin paradox.
> You may have been confused by all this talk of clocks running slow.
> They don't, it is time itself that is running slow.

Fortunately, we have GPS now, so we can check directly
that this insane religious bullshit has nothing in common
with the real world or the real clocks.

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:24:32 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 20:45:39 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> > >>>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
> > >>>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
> > >>>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
> > >>>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> LOL.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
> > >>>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
> > >>>>>>>>> How stupid.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
> > >>>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
> > >>>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Yes, it does.
> > >>>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It does.
> > >>>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
> > >>> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
> > >>> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
> > >> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.
> > >
> > > Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
> > > not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
> > > their meaning are a part of my domain;
> > Well, then you’re a vastly undertrained “information engineer”, because
> > you’ve not bothered to learn the meaning of the words used in physics.
> You know NOTHING about the subject, yet you're
> expecting professionals to learn - from you.
> You're an idiot, Bod; but - well - it happens.

Continue dreaming, Woz. It's CLEAR you don't know the meanings of the words as used by physicists, and you've admitted to the same, dismissing it as Orwellian newspeak that you don't have to know.
And yet you turn around and splutter, "I still know better than you. You know NOTHING because I *say* you know nothing."

Tell me, Woz, in your world, what color is the sky?

> > Isn’t it interesting that a woodworker knows more about the meaning of
> > words as used in physics
> Would be interesting if it wasn't just a sweet dream of
> that woodworker. Dunning Kruger, Bod.

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 16:48:27 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:24:32 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 20:45:39 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> LOL.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
> > > >>>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
> > > >>>>>>>>> How stupid.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
> > > >>>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
> > > >>>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Yes, it does.
> > > >>>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It does.
> > > >>>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
> > > >>> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
> > > >>> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
> > > >> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.
> > > >
> > > > Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
> > > > not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
> > > > their meaning are a part of my domain;
> > > Well, then you’re a vastly undertrained “information engineer”, because
> > > you’ve not bothered to learn the meaning of the words used in physics.
> > You know NOTHING about the subject, yet you're
> > expecting professionals to learn - from you.
> > You're an idiot, Bod; but - well - it happens.
> Continue dreaming, Woz. It's CLEAR you don't know the meanings of the words as used by physicists

Continue dreaming, Bod. I'm an information engineer
with 25 years of practice. You're nothing.

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 16:48:27 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:24:32 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 20:45:39 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
>>>>>>>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
>>>>>>>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it does.
>>>>>>>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does.
>>>>>>>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
>>>>>>> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
>>>>>>> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
>>>>>> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
>>>>> not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
>>>>> their meaning are a part of my domain;
>>>> Well, then you’re a vastly undertrained “information engineer”, because
>>>> you’ve not bothered to learn the meaning of the words used in physics.
>>> You know NOTHING about the subject, yet you're
>>> expecting professionals to learn - from you.
>>> You're an idiot, Bod; but - well - it happens.
>> Continue dreaming, Woz. It's CLEAR you don't know the meanings of the
>> words as used by physicists
>
> Continue dreaming, Bod. I'm an information engineer
> with 25 years of practice. You're nothing.
>

Well, Woz, the feeling is mutual. Now, what have you accomplished?

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 16:48:27 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:24:32 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 20:45:39 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it does.
>>>>>>>>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It does.
>>>>>>>>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
>>>>>>>> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
>>>>>>>> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
>>>>>>> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
>>>>>> not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
>>>>>> their meaning are a part of my domain;
>>>>> Well, then you’re a vastly undertrained “information engineer”, because
>>>>> you’ve not bothered to learn the meaning of the words used in physics.
>>>> You know NOTHING about the subject, yet you're
>>>> expecting professionals to learn - from you.
>>>> You're an idiot, Bod; but - well - it happens.
>>> Continue dreaming, Woz. It's CLEAR you don't know the meanings of the
>>> words as used by physicists
>>
>> Continue dreaming, Bod. I'm an information engineer
>> with 25 years of practice. You're nothing.
>>
>
> Well, Woz, the feeling is mutual. Now, what have you accomplished?
>

Little tip for the chronically confrontational: Don’t engage in a pissing
contest facing upwind.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 21:20:01 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Odd Bodkin <bodk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 16:48:27 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 2:24:32 PM UTC-5, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 20:45:39 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 18:25:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 16:36:35 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 25 April 2022 at 15:12:34 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 23:49:20 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 14:23:43 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 24 April 2022 at 11:42:54 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is 4.14e-12 or 131 us a year.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather small, but still significant.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that those relativistic corrections are not made
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just for the sake of pleasing a dead Great Guru.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. What our resident nutters fail to understand completely
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that according to their idiot guru there should be no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrections, clocks should desynchronize and indicate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his dilation idiocy - because he had imagined and postulated
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it would be fine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, indeed. Expecting clocks to indicate time dilation...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe saying that your idiot guru was expecting that...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How stupid.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Exhibiting time dilations for uncorrected clocks does not equate to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> forbidding clocks from having designed corrections. I’m sure a preeminent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> logician could figure that out. Poof.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it does.
> >>>>>>>>>>> No it does not mean that to normal people.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> It does.
> >>>>>>>>> No, sorry it does not. You do not represent normal people.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't; but still - you were admitting so many times with such
> >>>>>>>> a proud that what words mean for you and your fellow idiots
> >>>>>>>> is not what they mean forr normal people. weren't you?
> >>>>>>> Again, you do not seem to understand the meaning of words.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Again, I'm am information engineer and you're
> >>>>>> not-even-a-layman idiot woodworker. Words and
> >>>>>> their meaning are a part of my domain;
> >>>>> Well, then you’re a vastly undertrained “information engineer”, because
> >>>>> you’ve not bothered to learn the meaning of the words used in physics.
> >>>> You know NOTHING about the subject, yet you're
> >>>> expecting professionals to learn - from you.
> >>>> You're an idiot, Bod; but - well - it happens.
> >>> Continue dreaming, Woz. It's CLEAR you don't know the meanings of the
> >>> words as used by physicists
> >>
> >> Continue dreaming, Bod. I'm an information engineer
> >> with 25 years of practice. You're nothing.
> >>
> >
> > Well, Woz, the feeling is mutual. Now, what have you accomplished?
> >
> Little tip for the chronically confrontational: Don’t engage in a pissing
> contest facing upwind.

Indeed, speaking the truth may be sometimes very unpopular.
Well, kiss my ass, mighty wind Bodkin.