On 9/16/22 8:20 PM, RichA wrote:
> At the point where most of the 23,000 are smashed into debris via abandonment and impacts with themselves or other satellites. In 2009, an iridium satellite hit a derelict Russkie satellite at 42,000km/h and created enough chafe to cover a large area.
>

I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
concerned with technology as we know it today.

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

> I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
> fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
> reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
> concerned with technology as we know it today.

That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
action to prevent this from happening.

John Savard

On 9/18/22 2:29 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
>> fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
>> reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
>> concerned with technology as we know it today.
>
> That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
> is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
> action to prevent this from happening.
>
> John Savard

It's not happening. Humanity has had many decades to undo what it has
done to the environment, economies, and population. It has chosen not
to sacrifice anything for something better. Once the world economy
collapses, food runs short, and disease and starvation take hold, along
with many past plagues and diseases returning, it will only be a matter
of time before the population minimizes. Once that happens, and things
gradually return to normal, civilization will begin again but this time
it will be different after truly learning from past experiences.

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:29:05 PM UTC-7, wAYNE wrote:
> On 9/18/22 2:29 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
> >> fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
> >> reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
> >> concerned with technology as we know it today.
> >
> > That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
> > is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
> > action to prevent this from happening.
> >
> > John Savard
> It's not happening. Humanity has had many decades to undo what it has
> done to the environment, economies, and population. It has chosen not
> to sacrifice anything for something better. Once the world economy
> collapses, food runs short, and disease and starvation take hold, along
> with many past plagues and diseases returning, it will only be a matter
> of time before the population minimizes. Once that happens, and things
> gradually return to normal, civilization will begin again but this time
> it will be different after truly learning from past experiences.

This is the funniest joke I ever heard! 🤣😂😁
>>it will be different after truly learning from past experiences<<

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 11:29:49 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
>> fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
>> reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
>> concerned with technology as we know it today.
>
>That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
>is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
>action to prevent this from happening.

I see little to suggest that "humanity" is doing much to avert
disaster. I don't know that we'll see a 90% population reduction, but
we're increasingly likely to see billions fall into pre-technological
squalor, and the end of democratic systems in the developed nations
(which themselves will see millions of deaths).

Averting this would require a concerted effort by the largest
countries in the world, along with an investment of trillions of
dollars, in probably little more than one more decade. I'm doubtful
this will happen.

On 9/18/22 8:07 PM, StarDust wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:29:05 PM UTC-7, wAYNE wrote:
>> On 9/18/22 2:29 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
>>>> fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
>>>> reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
>>>> concerned with technology as we know it today.
>>>
>>> That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
>>> is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
>>> action to prevent this from happening.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>> It's not happening. Humanity has had many decades to undo what it has
>> done to the environment, economies, and population. It has chosen not
>> to sacrifice anything for something better. Once the world economy
>> collapses, food runs short, and disease and starvation take hold, along
>> with many past plagues and diseases returning, it will only be a matter
>> of time before the population minimizes. Once that happens, and things
>> gradually return to normal, civilization will begin again but this time
>> it will be different after truly learning from past experiences.
>
> This is the funniest joke I ever heard! 🤣😂😁
What is, the above, or what I wrote below?
>>> it will be different after truly learning from past experiences<<

On 9/18/22 8:07 PM, StarDust wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:29:05 PM UTC-7, wAYNE wrote:
>> On 9/18/22 2:29 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
>>>> fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
>>>> reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
>>>> concerned with technology as we know it today.
>>>
>>> That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
>>> is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
>>> action to prevent this from happening.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>> It's not happening. Humanity has had many decades to undo what it has
>> done to the environment, economies, and population. It has chosen not
>> to sacrifice anything for something better. Once the world economy
>> collapses, food runs short, and disease and starvation take hold, along
>> with many past plagues and diseases returning, it will only be a matter
>> of time before the population minimizes. Once that happens, and things
>> gradually return to normal, civilization will begin again but this time
>> it will be different after truly learning from past experiences.
>
> This is the funniest joke I ever heard! 🤣😂😁
>>> it will be different after truly learning from past experiences<<
Oh, never mind. I see you meant my last sentence. Well, I can't
express the scope of how much things are going to change as
civilizations collapse this time. It will be on a scale unprecedented
in the history of mankind. Due to the enormity of the change this time,
THAT is why the surviving civilization will actually end up surviving
the longest of any past civilization. They WILL keep the population
under control, show true love and caring for one another, keep the earth
clean, and will live shockingly simple lives. They will use very little
technology, certainly not like we use and depend on now.

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

> Oh, never mind. I see you meant my last sentence.

It is true that history shows civilizations have collapsed many times
from resource overuse.

However, no civilization until ours has reached our level of technological
competence. We can see the consequences of our mistakes. We had one
bit of bad luck - Russia getting hold of nukes after the end of World War
II - which is preventing effective international cooperation.

John Savard

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:11:15 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

> Averting this would require a concerted effort by the largest
> countries in the world, along with an investment of trillions of
> dollars, in probably little more than one more decade. I'm doubtful
> this will happen.

It's true there seems to be no sign of real action.

As I've noted, action is possible without major sacrifices in the standard of
living. Switch to nuclear power from fossil fuels for electricity. Switch to
trolley buses for as much travel as possible; use methyl alcohol for carbon-neutral
fuel that doesn't compete with food production for everything else.

Then, unless greenhouse gases from meat production are _still_ enough to cause
disaster, the problem is solved with almost no sacrifices.

John Savard

On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 20:14:37 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:11:15 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
>
>> Averting this would require a concerted effort by the largest
>> countries in the world, along with an investment of trillions of
>> dollars, in probably little more than one more decade. I'm doubtful
>> this will happen.
>
>It's true there seems to be no sign of real action.
>
>As I've noted, action is possible without major sacrifices in the standard of
>living. Switch to nuclear power from fossil fuels for electricity. Switch to
>trolley buses for as much travel as possible; use methyl alcohol for carbon-neutral
>fuel that doesn't compete with food production for everything else.
>
>Then, unless greenhouse gases from meat production are _still_ enough to cause
>disaster, the problem is solved with almost no sacrifices.
>
>John Savard

Nuclear isn't going to happen. Way, way too expensive and way too
difficult to implement in the little time we have left. Solar is the
answer, but we have to move now. It is easily within our means, both
technologically and economically. But I doubt it will happen fast
enough.

On 9/19/22 11:11 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:
>
>> Oh, never mind. I see you meant my last sentence.
>
> It is true that history shows civilizations have collapsed many times
> from resource overuse.

True.

>
> However, no civilization until ours has reached our level of technological
> competence. We can see the consequences of our mistakes. We had one
> bit of bad luck - Russia getting hold of nukes after the end of World War
> II - which is preventing effective international cooperation.

Exactly why this time, we'll truly learn from our mistakes and not
repeat history unlike all previous times. Our technology and population
division (whether it be race, religion, politics... you name it) are
what's helping to fuel the eventual state of humanity's final population.

> John Savard

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