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* If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Richard Hertz
+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?rotchm
|+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Michael Moroney
||+- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Maciej Wozniak
||`* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Richard Hertz
|| +- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Michael Moroney
|| +* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Odd Bodkin
|| |`- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Maciej Wozniak
|| +* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?rotchm
|| |`* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Richard Hertz
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|| | |   +- Odious kapo Richard Hertz eats even more shitDono.
|| | |   `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?rotchm
|| | |    `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Richard Hertz
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|| | |     ||  `- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Odd Bodkin
|| | |     |`- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Maciej Wozniak
|| | |     `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?JanPB
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|| | |       `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?JanPB
|| | |        `* Re: yet another nazi pig, JanPB, evacuated:Colin Ohba
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|| | +* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Michael Moroney
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|| | || || |`* Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsDono.
|| | || || | `* Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsRichard Hertz
|| | || || |  `* Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsDono.
|| | || || |   `* Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsRichard Hertz
|| | || || |    +- Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootswhodat
|| | || || |    +- Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsDono.
|| | || || |    `* Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsMichael Moroney
|| | || || |     `* Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsDono.
|| | || || |      `* Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz licks nazi bootsOdd Bodkin
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|| | `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?JanPB
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|| `* Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shitDono.
||  `* Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shitThe Starmaker
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||    +- Re: Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shitThe Starmaker
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|`* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Richard Hertz
| +- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?rotchm
| `- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Michael Moroney
+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Odd Bodkin
|+- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?whodat
|`- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Maciej Wozniak
+* Kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignoranceDono.
|`- Re: Kapo piece of shit Richard Hertz showcases his ignoranceRichard Hertz
+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?J. J. Lodder
|`- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Maciej Wozniak
+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Tom Roberts
|+- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Maciej Wozniak
|+- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Dono.
|+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Richard Hertz
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|`- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?RichD
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+- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?mitchr...@gmail.com
+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Ken Seto
|`* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?Richard Hertz
| `- Kookfight at the OK CorrallDono.
+* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation isRichard Hachel
|`* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?mitchr...@gmail.com
| `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation isRichard Hachel
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|   +- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?patdolan
|   `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation isRichard Hachel
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|    |`- Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation isRichard Hachel
|    `* Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?JanPB
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 by: Richard Hertz - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 00:44 UTC

110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
in NOTHING.

- Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.

- Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.

There you have zillions of thought experiments about twins aging differently,
yet their shrink is transitory.

Maybe it's because relativity is METAPHYSICS?

You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
But you can get permanent time dilation on inanimate objects like CLOCKS
because, as the cretin wrote in stone (for the ignorant human herd), time
is what your clock shows.

Remember Einstein's clock? What arrows show, within 12 hours, is TIME.

And mechanical objects are sensitive to relativity, while biology doesn't give
a flying fuck about relativity.

But useless eaters believing in relativity perseveres, even one century after.

I wonder how Darwin theory works on relativists.

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> in NOTHING.

You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary.
Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.

> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.

Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.

> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.

No it is not. You are very confused.
When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.

When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates.
So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.

> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.

Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 01:51 UTC

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> in NOTHING.
>
> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>
> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>
> There you have zillions of thought experiments about twins aging differently,
> yet their shrink is transitory.
>
> Maybe it's because relativity is METAPHYSICS?

Real, measurable effects are metaphysics?

>
> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
> But you can get permanent time dilation on inanimate objects like CLOCKS
> because, as the cretin wrote in stone (for the ignorant human herd), time
> is what your clock shows.
>
> Remember Einstein's clock? What arrows show, within 12 hours, is TIME.
>
> And mechanical objects are sensitive to relativity, while biology doesn't give
> a flying fuck about relativity.
>
> But useless eaters believing in relativity perseveres, even one century after.
>
> I wonder how Darwin theory works on relativists.
>
>
>

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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 by: whodat - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 02:13 UTC

On 4/26/2022 8:51 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
>> in NOTHING.
>>
>> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>>
>> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>>
>> There you have zillions of thought experiments about twins aging differently,
>> yet their shrink is transitory.
>>
>> Maybe it's because relativity is METAPHYSICS?
>
> Real, measurable effects are metaphysics?

He knew nothing about it till you mentioned it, and still doesn't
understand after reading the definition. Just the facts, no insult
intended, regardless of the outcome.

>> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
>> But you can get permanent time dilation on inanimate objects like CLOCKS
>> because, as the cretin wrote in stone (for the ignorant human herd), time
>> is what your clock shows.
>>
>> Remember Einstein's clock? What arrows show, within 12 hours, is TIME.
>>
>> And mechanical objects are sensitive to relativity, while biology doesn't give
>> a flying fuck about relativity.
>>
>> But useless eaters believing in relativity perseveres, even one century after.
>>
>> I wonder how Darwin theory works on relativists.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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 by: Dono. - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 02:45 UTC

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:44:32 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz wrote:

> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>

Imbecile,

It is clear that you are confusing time dilation with total elapsed proper time. A mistake typical to ignoramuses that try (and never succeed) to get the basics. Keep it up, dumbestfuck!

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 by: Michael Moroney - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 05:09 UTC

On 4/26/2022 9:41 PM, rotchm wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
>> in NOTHING.
>
> You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary.
> Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.
>
>
>> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>
> Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.
[? Just as time dilation ceases when motion stops? Speech to text?]
>
>> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>
> No it is not. You are very confused.
> When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.

Richard appears to confuse tick rate (time dilation) with the total time
elapsed (what a clock or stopwatch will show). The tick rate is
"temporary", as when two identical clocks are stationary relative to
each other, they tick at the same rate. For example: Two identical
clocks, A and B, next to each other. They tick at the same rate. Now
have A moving at high speed. B will observe A's clock as running slow.
(and A observes B's clock running slow). Now have A stop, so it remains
a constant distance from B. They both observe each other ticking at the
same rate again.

The elapsed time (like on a stopwatch) is like a car's odometer, not a
measuring rod length. They will not necessarily be the same.
>
> When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates.
> So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.
>
>> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
>
> Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others.
>
> < Rest of confusions sniped>

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 03:52:03 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> > in NOTHING.
> >
> > - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> >
> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> >
> > There you have zillions of thought experiments about twins aging differently,
> > yet their shrink is transitory.
> >
> > Maybe it's because relativity is METAPHYSICS?
> Real, measurable effects are metaphysics?

Sorry, Odd, your Shit is not about real, measurable effects.
It's about "desynchronizing clocks are proper, correct
and THE BEST WAY, and we're FORCED, because an
insane crazie has postulated so."

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 07:09:21 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/26/2022 9:41 PM, rotchm wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> >> in NOTHING.
> >
> > You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary.
> > Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.
> >
> >
> >> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> >
> > Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.
> [? Just as time dilation ceases when motion stops? Speech to text?]
> >
> >> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> >
> > No it is not. You are very confused.
> > When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.
> Richard appears to confuse tick rate (time dilation)

Stupid Mike appears to confuse tick rate with time dilation.
See, stupid Mike: a pendulum clock with 1/2s period has
a different tick rate than a pendulum clock with 1s period,
but no time dilation there.

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:41:10 PM UTC-3, rotchm wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended in NOTHING.
> You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary. Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.

> > - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.

> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> No it is not. You are very confused.
> When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.

Absolutely INCORRECT. Einstein clearly wrote: "TIME IS WHAT MY CLOCK SHOWS". Then, what the clock shows
as TIME can't be modified by itself just because the rate of ticks changed. The clock has MEMORY, either being a mechanical
or electronic clock.

> When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates.
> So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.

> > You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
> Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others.

LIAR! If you shrink a living biological entity, you KILL IT!

What are you? A murderer, besides a liar?

<snip snip>

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On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:45:06 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 5:44:32 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> >
> Imbecile,
>
> It is clear that you are confusing time dilation with total elapsed proper time. A mistake typical to ignoramuses that try (and never succeed) to get the basics. Keep it up, dumbestfuck!

Hi, Adrian! Long time I didn't hear from you. How is Mrs. Garcia?

I repeat what I wrote to rotchm: THE CLOCK HAS MEMORY, HENCE THE TIME SHOWN CAN'T BE REVERTED.

And I don't confuse anything. Go to complain to your cretin retarded spiritual chief, in any case.

He clearly defined TIME as what your clock shows.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:09:21 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 4/26/2022 9:41 PM, rotchm wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> >> in NOTHING.
> >
> > You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary.
> > Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.
> >
> >
> >> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> >
> > Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.
> [? Just as time dilation ceases when motion stops? Speech to text?]
> >
> >> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> >
> > No it is not. You are very confused.
> > When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.
> Richard appears to confuse tick rate (time dilation) with the total time
> elapsed (what a clock or stopwatch will show). The tick rate is
> "temporary", as when two identical clocks are stationary relative to
> each other, they tick at the same rate. For example: Two identical
> clocks, A and B, next to each other. They tick at the same rate. Now
> have A moving at high speed. B will observe A's clock as running slow.
> (and A observes B's clock running slow). Now have A stop, so it remains
> a constant distance from B. They both observe each other ticking at the
> same rate again.
>
> The elapsed time (like on a stopwatch) is like a car's odometer, not a
> measuring rod length. They will not necessarily be the same.
> >
> > When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates.
> > So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.
> >
> >> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
> >
> > Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others.
> >
> > < Rest of confusions sniped>

I don't confuse shit!

I had two mechanical Swiss clocks, state of the art mechanical ROLEX. One being at relative rest when I, holding the second one,
passed by its position at an exact time 05:34:49.

At that INSTANT, and due to the magic of relativity, I did reset both clocks, which showed 00:00:00 EXACTLY. I was moving
at a very high speed, but constantly.

After exactly 06:00:00 hours of MY TIME, I stopped moving, very far away.

I made a phone call to my assistant, who was at the place of the first clock, and I asked him for TIME.
He told me that TIME was 06:11:43 (as shown in the first clock).

Clearly, a change in the value of TIME was permanent (11 minutes, 43 seconds) and there was no way to recover such lapse.

Einstein wrote that, in stone, in 1905.

This confuses me. Where did the difference in TIME went?

I recovered my normal longitudinal length. Relativity is very confusing.

Maybe because is a fucking, worthless METAPHYSICS!

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On 4/27/2022 1:45 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:09:21 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/26/2022 9:41 PM, rotchm wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
>>>> in NOTHING.
>>>
>>> You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed, hence they are not imaginary.
>>> Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>>>
>>> Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.
>> [? Just as time dilation ceases when motion stops? Speech to text?]
>>>
>>>> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>>>
>>> No it is not. You are very confused.
>>> When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.
>> Richard appears to confuse tick rate (time dilation) with the total time
>> elapsed (what a clock or stopwatch will show). The tick rate is
>> "temporary", as when two identical clocks are stationary relative to
>> each other, they tick at the same rate. For example: Two identical
>> clocks, A and B, next to each other. They tick at the same rate. Now
>> have A moving at high speed. B will observe A's clock as running slow.
>> (and A observes B's clock running slow). Now have A stop, so it remains
>> a constant distance from B. They both observe each other ticking at the
>> same rate again.
>>
>> The elapsed time (like on a stopwatch) is like a car's odometer, not a
>> measuring rod length. They will not necessarily be the same.
>>>
>>> When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates.
>>> So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.
>>>
>>>> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
>>>
>>> Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others.
>>>
>>> < Rest of confusions sniped>
>
> I don't confuse shit!

You really are quite confused.

> I had two mechanical Swiss clocks, state of the art mechanical ROLEX. One being at relative rest when I, holding the second one,
> passed by its position at an exact time 05:34:49.
>
> At that INSTANT, and due to the magic of relativity, I did reset both clocks, which showed 00:00:00 EXACTLY. I was moving
> at a very high speed, but constantly.
>
> After exactly 06:00:00 hours of MY TIME, I stopped moving, very far away.
>
> I made a phone call to my assistant, who was at the place of the first clock, and I asked him for TIME.
> He told me that TIME was 06:11:43 (as shown in the first clock).
>
> Clearly, a change in the value of TIME was permanent (11 minutes, 43 seconds) and there was no way to recover such lapse.

I was exactly right about your confusion. You are talking about the
elapsed time, what a stopwatch or clock will display. This is
equivalent to a car's odometer, where identical cars traveling from
Chicago to New York can wind up in New York with different odometer
readings.

Now, ask your assistant to hold up the watch to the phone, and listen to
it tick, while comparing the tick rate to the other watch. Notice that
they are the same. It's just like length contraction, which "goes away"
when relative motion ceases, the tick rates become the same when
relative motion ceases.

You are too predictable, Dick. I said you confused time dilation (tick
rate) to total elapsed time, and I was right.
>
> Einstein wrote that, in stone, in 1905.

What he wrote isn't what you think he did.
>
> This confuses me. Where did the difference in TIME went?

Different length paths through spacetime.

If a car drives from Chicago to New York by the shortest route while
another drives all over the place, do you ask where the extra miles go?

Probably not, but given your limited mental capacity, perhaps you would.
>
> I recovered my normal longitudinal length. Relativity is very confusing.

It does appear to be confusing for you.

Maybe physics just isn't for you at all. May I suggest studying basket
weaving instead?
>
> Maybe because is a fucking, worthless METAPHYSICS!

Or maybe it's because you just simply aren't smart enough to understand it.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:13 UTC

Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:09:21 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 4/26/2022 9:41 PM, rotchm wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
>>>> in NOTHING.
>>>
>>> You are either lying or very confused. Many tests have been performed,
>>> hence they are not imaginary.
>>> Those test had results, hence did not end in nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>>>
>>> Just as time Dale she seizes when motion stops.
>> [? Just as time dilation ceases when motion stops? Speech to text?]
>>>
>>>> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
>>>
>>> No it is not. You are very confused.
>>> When the clock stops moving, it's rate is the same as the "stationary" clock.
>> Richard appears to confuse tick rate (time dilation) with the total time
>> elapsed (what a clock or stopwatch will show). The tick rate is
>> "temporary", as when two identical clocks are stationary relative to
>> each other, they tick at the same rate. For example: Two identical
>> clocks, A and B, next to each other. They tick at the same rate. Now
>> have A moving at high speed. B will observe A's clock as running slow.
>> (and A observes B's clock running slow). Now have A stop, so it remains
>> a constant distance from B. They both observe each other ticking at the
>> same rate again.
>>
>> The elapsed time (like on a stopwatch) is like a car's odometer, not a
>> measuring rod length. They will not necessarily be the same.
>>>
>>> When one talks about time dilation, be sure you are referring to its rates.
>>> So when the ruler are the clock moves, they are 'contracted'. Once they
>>> are no longer moving, they are not 'contracted'.
>>>
>>>> You can't shrink biological entities, except in movies.
>>>
>>> Maybe you can't, but we can. Don't force your limitations onto others.
>>>
>>> < Rest of confusions sniped>
>
> I don't confuse shit!
>
> I had two mechanical Swiss clocks, state of the art mechanical ROLEX. One
> being at relative rest when I, holding the second one,
> passed by its position at an exact time 05:34:49.
>
> At that INSTANT, and due to the magic of relativity, I did reset both
> clocks, which showed 00:00:00 EXACTLY. I was moving
> at a very high speed, but constantly.
>
> After exactly 06:00:00 hours of MY TIME, I stopped moving, very far away.
>
> I made a phone call to my assistant, who was at the place of the first
> clock, and I asked him for TIME.
> He told me that TIME was 06:11:43 (as shown in the first clock).
>
> Clearly, a change in the value of TIME was permanent (11 minutes, 43
> seconds) and there was no way to recover such lapse.
>
> Einstein wrote that, in stone, in 1905.
>
> This confuses me. Where did the difference in TIME went?
>
> I recovered my normal longitudinal length. Relativity is very confusing.
>
> Maybe because is a fucking, worthless METAPHYSICS!
>

A real, measurable effect is metaphysics?

--
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 12:13:41 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> >
> > Maybe because is a fucking, worthless METAPHYSICS!
> >
> A real, measurable effect is metaphysics?

Sorry, Odd, your Shit is not about real, measurable effects.
It's about "desynchronizing clocks are proper, correct
and THE BEST WAY, and we're FORCED, because an
insane crazie has postulated so."

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Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

> 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> in NOTHING.
>
> - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
>
> - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.

You are confusing coordinates and physical effects.

The rod is always at its own same length,
the clock always ticks at its own same rate,
all in its own rest frame.

Jan

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On Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 13:24:17 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 110 years of stupid coffee talks, endless stories and imaginary tests ended
> > in NOTHING.
> >
> > - Length contraction is temporal, and ceases if motion stops.
> >
> > - Time dilation, instead, is permanent no matter what.
> You are confusing coordinates and physical effects.
>
> The rod is always at its own same length,
> the clock always ticks at its own same rate,

In a perfect, gedanken world where everyone is obeying
your idiot guru (and his priests); in the real GPS it's
9 192 631 770 and 9 192 631 774.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:20:22 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:

> Absolutely INCORRECT.

You are a very confused person and a reality denier.
Just look how your life turned out to be! Have you ever wondered why? Maybe it's just because you make very bad decisions because you are a very bad thinker?

> Einstein clearly wrote: "TIME IS WHAT MY CLOCK SHOWS".

Besides being a bad thinker, you are all so clueless about the meaning of the words you use.
Namely, you do not know what the word 'time' means, nor what the word 'clock' means.
Again, you are a very confused person.

> If you shrink a living biological entity, you KILL IT!

No, not necessarily. You are a very confused person.
You should seek medical help instead of spending your time in this newsgroup.
Or go find another Hobby, like rock collecting or watching paint dry.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:45:54 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:

> I don't confuse shit!

Yes you do. You are either unaware of it or just a liar.
If everyone here says you are confused, then maybe perhaps you are?
And if you are so confused, how would *you* know that you are confused are not?

> This confuses me.

So you just contradicted yourself above. See how confused you are!

> Relativity is very confusing

For dumb people, yes it is.

> Maybe because is a fucking, worthless METAPHYSICS!

You do not know what the word 'metaphysics' means, nor how to apply it correctly in a sentence.
You are very confused. You should seek medical help.
Take a long break from this group and consult.

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 by: Richard Hertz - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:29 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:34:30 AM UTC-3, rotchm wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:45:54 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:

<snip>

> > Relativity is very confusing
>
> For dumb people, yes it is.
> > Maybe because is a fucking, worthless METAPHYSICS!
> You do not know what the word 'metaphysics' means, nor how to apply it correctly in a sentence.
> You are very confused. You should seek medical help.
> Take a long break from this group and consult.

METAPHYSICS: the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being,
knowing, identity, time, and space.
EXAMPLE: "they would regard the question of the initial conditions for the universe as belonging to the realm of metaphysics or religion"

See, imbecile? Not do difficult to understand. And this is just the first definition of metaphysics that I've found googling it.

About your posts on this thread, they really show how much a drooling idiot you are!

You are unable to distinguish between trolling and true assertions, asshole. I enjoy your stupidity very much.

And, by the way, NOT A SINGLE TIME the fucking Length Contraction was proven experimentally, because it's IMPOSSIBLE, fucking asshole.

And IF Length Contraction metaphysics IS NOT TRUE, its companion Time Dilation (derived simultaneously in two pages on the
1905 paper) IS NOT TRUE ALSO!

Do you understand that the framework from which both mathematical expressions IS FALSE, imbecile? Or it works for both concepts,
without excuses, or THEY ARE FAKE CONCEPTS (asshole).

But I doubt you will understand what I'm trying to explain. Too much of a fossilized, indoctrinated, biased mind to work with.

You are the one who should try therapy, for the burden in your soul due to so many years YOU WASTED FOR NOTHING.

Must suck to be you.

Odious kapo Dick Hertz eats shit

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 by: Dono. - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:49 UTC

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 10:45:54 PM UTC-7, odious kapo Richard Hertz ate some more shit:

> I don't confuse shit!

You get to eat it, Dick. Every time you open your mouth.

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 by: rotchm - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:54 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:29:33 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:

> METAPHYSICS: the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being,
> knowing, identity, time, and space.

> ... Not do difficult to understand.

Copy/pasting one definition does not show you understand the definition.
But you can't understand this because you are a very confused person.

> And this is just the first definition of metaphysics that I've found googling it.

And copy-pasting does not show that you have the ability to understand what you read, nor does it show that you can think rationally.

> About your posts on this thread, they really show how much a drooling idiot you are!

You are the one who does not understand the meanings of the words you use and you are the one who can't even solve basic math problems. Google kept a record.

> You are the one who should try therapy,

Another sign that you can't think on your own, is that you need to use other people's claims & arguments. You can't think on your own. And this is why you can't even solve simple math problems. You are a very limited person. Seriously, don't be afraid to seek medical help. Or go to your local community center and speak with someone...

> for the burden in your soul due to so many years
> YOU WASTED FOR NOTHING.

Again, you are projecting your failures onto others.
How many luxury cars do you own?
How many luxury motorbikes do you own?
How many chicks do you have to partake in your activities?
How many trips you take per year?
....

The answers to the above is ZERO, a reflection of what you are.
Admitting to your failures is the first step in your recovery.
Don't be ashamed to be a zero. Be ashamed if you do nothing about it.

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Subject: Re: If SR length contraction is reversible, why time dilation is not?
From: hertz...@gmail.com (Richard Hertz)
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 by: Richard Hertz - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:44 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:54:07 AM UTC-3, rotchm wrote:

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> Another sign that you can't think on your own, is that you need to use other people's claims & arguments. You can't think on your own. And this is why you can't even solve simple math problems. You are a very limited person.. Seriously, don't be afraid to seek medical help. Or go to your local community center and speak with someone.

> > for the burden in your soul due to so many years YOU WASTED FOR NOTHING..

> Again, you are projecting your failures onto others.
> How many luxury cars do you own?
> How many luxury motorbikes do you own?
> How many chicks do you have to partake in your activities?
> How many trips you take per year?
> ...
>
> The answers to the above is ZERO, a reflection of what you are.
> Admitting to your failures is the first step in your recovery.
> Don't be ashamed to be a zero. Be ashamed if you do nothing about it.

These two excerpts from your previous post are a clear example that you are a broken person, with a severe short-circuit in your brain.

I won't keep replying you, because you are beyond stupidity. You are a fucking jerk, so keep deleting the last threads of dignity you have.

Now, take both the red and the blue pills, and RE-READ what you posted, fucking imbecile.

Dono (dear Adrian) was right about you all these years.

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:44:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:

> > How many luxury cars do you own?

No answer?

> > How many luxury motorbikes do you own?

No answer?

> > How many chicks do you have to partake in your activities?

No answer?

> > How many trips you take per year?

No answer?

I can solve physics problems. You can't.
I can solve math problems. You can't.
I can solve daily problems. You can't.
....

You fail on every account. Google kept a record.
Until you admit to your limitations, you will never better yourself.
Then again, you evolved to be content in your mediocrity. Its just a fact you prefer to ignore.
You made yourself into a loser, but you have no friends to help you through it, hence your trolling on the net.

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 by: Richard Hertz - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:59 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:20:00 PM UTC-3, rotchm wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:44:26 AM UTC-4, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
>
> > > How many luxury cars do you own?
> No answer?
> > > How many luxury motorbikes do you own?
> No answer?
> > > How many chicks do you have to partake in your activities?
> No answer?
> > > How many trips you take per year?
> No answer?
>
> I can solve physics problems. You can't.
> I can solve math problems. You can't.
> I can solve daily problems. You can't.
> ...
>
> You fail on every account. Google kept a record.
> Until you admit to your limitations, you will never better yourself.
> Then again, you evolved to be content in your mediocrity. Its just a fact you prefer to ignore.
> You made yourself into a loser, but you have no friends to help you through it, hence your trolling on the net.

I think that dementia hit hard today on the left part of your brain, completely shutting it down.
You are barely functioning by what is left on the right part of your fucking, neuron-depleted, right side. Riding on emotions only.

It's that OR you are completely DRUNK or very HIGH on heavy drugs, fucking junkie.

You've completely lost the plot of this thread and, probably, also lost the control of your sphincter.
Go and change your depends. You are enjoying too much playing with shit, poor cretin.

Ask help to Dono. He likes SHIT.

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 by: Michael Moroney - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 17:17 UTC

On 4/27/2022 10:29 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:34:30 AM UTC-3, rotchm wrote:

> And, by the way, NOT A SINGLE TIME the fucking Length Contraction was proven experimentally, because it's IMPOSSIBLE, fucking asshole.
>
> And IF Length Contraction metaphysics IS NOT TRUE, its companion Time Dilation (derived simultaneously in two pages on the
> 1905 paper) IS NOT TRUE ALSO!

Let's look at that from the other direction.

We *know* that time dilation is real, from any number of experiments.
The best known one is the ability for atmospheric muons to reach the
ground at sea level.

Since time dilation physics is known to be true, its companion length
contraction, derived simultaneously in 1905, must also be true!

(btw, did you know that magnetic effects such as in two parallel current
carrying wires, can be correctly explained via electric charges and
length contraction alone? Cool, isn't it.)

> You are the one who should try therapy, for the burden in your soul due to so many years YOU WASTED FOR NOTHING.

That's why you (not he) need therapy, to treat your obsessive hatred for
Einstein.
>
> Must suck to be you.
>
Must *really* suck to be you, obsessing over Einstein all the time.

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