You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.

I have been trying to figure out the Chinese postal system - sometimes a part will come though only a day or two longer than if I ordered it from Texas, but other times it goes through 8 different places before being put on the ship for America. Whenever possible I order things from Taiwan but most of the small parts I need are coming from mainland China.

Another thing that is irritating is that the BMC Racing Fork I ordered because it was in LA was not taken to the USPS yet! That is really irritating since when you pay $200 for something that is already packed in a box, you would expect them to drop it off at USPS that evening.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest..) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.

No, no no please do it right this time.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA

You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9

Lou

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> No, no no please do it right this time.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
>
> You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
>
> Lou

Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > No, no no please do it right this time.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> >
> > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> >
> > Lou
> Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.

I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.

Lou

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes.. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > >
> > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > >
> > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > >
> > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
>
> Lou

"Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > >
> > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > >
> > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > >
> > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> >
> > Lou
> "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.

Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > >
> > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou
> > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
>
> Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?

lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.

Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).

So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.

" get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> >
> > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
>
> Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
>
> So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
>
> " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.

Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2. The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:25:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22?PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23?AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55?PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
>> > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Lou
>> > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
>> > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
>> > > >
>> > > > Lou
>> > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
>> >
>> > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
>> lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
>>
>> Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
>>
>> So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
>>
>> " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
>
>Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2. The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least

Gee Tommy, if the guy is a liar you should be shaking his hand...
After all, with you and your running mate over there in Ireland, that
would make three. Right here on RBT.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou
> > > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> > >
> > > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> > lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
> >
> > Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
> >
> > So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
> >
> > " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
>
> Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2.

That never happened, dipshit. Put up or shut the fuck up.

> The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least.

The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:46:03 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> > > >
> > > > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> > > lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have.. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
> > >
> > > Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
> > >
> > > So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
> > >
> > > " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
> >
> > Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2.
> That never happened, dipshit. Put up or shut the fuck up.
>
> > The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
>
> The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.

How about you making me shut up you coward? Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2 and you claimed that it worked fine for you AFTER I said that Shimano made major changes to the 11 speed making the 10 speed a very bad deal.

Every posting you make here you try and outdo yourself in your lies. You're not an engineer and never were - you're nothing more than a paper shuffler and you're probably making median wages.

And I will be waiting for you to show up and try and shut me up you pencil neck geek. At 78 and with my back out I could hit you once and that poor excuse for a life you have. Why don't you tell us about your invented "wife" after I mentioned that you talk just like the queers I interviewed in hospitals.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:46:03 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma....@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> > > > lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
> > > >
> > > > Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
> > > >
> > > > So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
> > > >
> > > > " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
> > >
> > > Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2.
> > That never happened, dipshit. Put up or shut the fuck up.
> >
> > > The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
> >
> > The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.
>
> How about you making me shut up you coward?

If you ever do have the misfortune of meeting me, you'll need to redefine your understanding of the term "coward".

> Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2 and you claimed that it worked fine for you AFTER I said that Shimano made major changes to the 11 speed making the 10 speed a very bad deal.

No one ever saw that, because it never happened, you fucking idiot. Again, If there was a post I ever made to that effect, it would be preserved here until the days that google permanently disables this forum. All you need to do is provide one link to a post where I claimed I ever used Di2. It's so easy, even you can do it.

The floriduh dumbass seems to have a reasonable grasp of how this internet thingie works, maybe he can prove I'm lying. Nah, he'll just claim I reached back into the posting history and deleted any posts from any other forum member that had any DI2 comments from me inline.

Then there's that shit stain up in ireland - perhaps he would assist in helping you maintain your dignity and prove I'm lying? Nah, This is the guy that can't even find a link to his own (fictional) 30K member reader forum.

I guess it's up to you, sparky - Use those superior technical skills to provide a link any post where I claimed I had any experience with Di2. Simple, right?

>
> Every posting you make here you try and outdo yourself in your lies. You're not an engineer and never were - you're nothing more than a paper shuffler and you're probably making median wages.

Tell us again how PWM is used to test tcables, and "line lines" is a common term for fiber optics?

> And I will be waiting for you to show up and try and shut me up you pencil neck geek. At 78 and with my back out I could hit you once and that poor excuse for a life you have.

tough guy tommy! I'll be that was your nick name in the Air Force!

> Why don't you tell us about your invented "wife" after I mentioned that you talk just like the queers I interviewed in hospitals.

She's way more real than your invented stories of interviewing anyone in hospitals.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:46:03 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma....@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> > > > lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
> > > >
> > > > Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
> > > >
> > > > So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
> > > >
> > > > " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
> > >
> > > Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2.
> > That never happened, dipshit. Put up or shut the fuck up.
> >
> > > The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
> >
> > The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.
> How about you making me shut up you coward? Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2 and you claimed that it worked fine for you AFTER I said that Shimano made major changes to the 11 speed making the 10 speed a very bad deal.
>
> Every posting you make here you try and outdo yourself in your lies. You're not an engineer and never were - you're nothing more than a paper shuffler and you're probably making median wages.
>
> And I will be waiting for you to show up and try and shut me up you pencil neck geek. At 78 and with my back out I could hit you once and that poor excuse for a life you have. Why don't you tell us about your invented "wife" after I mentioned that you talk just like the queers I interviewed in hospitals.

hey skippy, check out this post from last december!

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/SORgbJXjX54/m/icU2-geGBAAJ

On 8/22/2023 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2...

I don't remember Funky posting any such thing.

Others have figured out how to post links to such things. Tom, you
should do the same, or you should retract your claim.

Come on, man up.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:46:03 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma....@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > > > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> > > > > lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
> > > > >
> > > > > So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
> > > > >
> > > > > " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
> > > >
> > > > Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2.
> > > That never happened, dipshit. Put up or shut the fuck up.
> > >
> > > > The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
> > >
> > > The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.
> >
> > How about you making me shut up you coward?
> If you ever do have the misfortune of meeting me, you'll need to redefine your understanding of the term "coward".
> > Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2 and you claimed that it worked fine for you AFTER I said that Shimano made major changes to the 11 speed making the 10 speed a very bad deal.
> No one ever saw that, because it never happened, you fucking idiot. Again, If there was a post I ever made to that effect, it would be preserved here until the days that google permanently disables this forum. All you need to do is provide one link to a post where I claimed I ever used Di2. It's so easy, even you can do it.
>
> The floriduh dumbass seems to have a reasonable grasp of how this internet thingie works, maybe he can prove I'm lying. Nah, he'll just claim I reached back into the posting history and deleted any posts from any other forum member that had any DI2 comments from me inline.
>
> Then there's that shit stain up in ireland - perhaps he would assist in helping you maintain your dignity and prove I'm lying? Nah, This is the guy that can't even find a link to his own (fictional) 30K member reader forum.
>
> I guess it's up to you, sparky - Use those superior technical skills to provide a link any post where I claimed I had any experience with Di2. Simple, right?
> >
> > Every posting you make here you try and outdo yourself in your lies. You're not an engineer and never were - you're nothing more than a paper shuffler and you're probably making median wages.
> Tell us again how PWM is used to test tcables, and "line lines" is a common term for fiber optics?
> > And I will be waiting for you to show up and try and shut me up you pencil neck geek. At 78 and with my back out I could hit you once and that poor excuse for a life you have.
> tough guy tommy! I'll be that was your nick name in the Air Force!
> > Why don't you tell us about your invented "wife" after I mentioned that you talk just like the queers I interviewed in hospitals.
> She's way more real than your invented stories of interviewing anyone in hospitals.

It certainly disturbs you to be discovered doesn't it?

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:14:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/22/2023 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2...
>
> I don't remember Funky posting any such thing.
>
> Others have figured out how to post links to such things. Tom, you
> should do the same, or you should retract your claim.
>
> Come on, man up.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

So you've been paying as close attention to Flunky as me? That's good to know. But when are you going to correct him and his common lies?

On 8/22/2023 12:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:14:59 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/22/2023 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2...
>>
>> I don't remember Funky posting any such thing.
>>
>> Others have figured out how to post links to such things. Tom, you
>> should do the same, or you should retract your claim.
>>
>> Come on, man up.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> So you've been paying as close attention to Flunky as me? That's good to know. But when are you going to correct him and his common lies?

Quit evading. You obviously can't find the nonexistent post you're
pretending he made.

Be honest for once and admit you've been slandering him.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:46:03 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > > > > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> > > > > > lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
> > > > >
> > > > > Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2.
> > > > That never happened, dipshit. Put up or shut the fuck up.
> > > >
> > > > > The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
> > > >
> > > > The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.
> > >
> > > How about you making me shut up you coward?
> > If you ever do have the misfortune of meeting me, you'll need to redefine your understanding of the term "coward".
> > > Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2 and you claimed that it worked fine for you AFTER I said that Shimano made major changes to the 11 speed making the 10 speed a very bad deal..
> > No one ever saw that, because it never happened, you fucking idiot. Again, If there was a post I ever made to that effect, it would be preserved here until the days that google permanently disables this forum. All you need to do is provide one link to a post where I claimed I ever used Di2. It's so easy, even you can do it.
> >
> > The floriduh dumbass seems to have a reasonable grasp of how this internet thingie works, maybe he can prove I'm lying. Nah, he'll just claim I reached back into the posting history and deleted any posts from any other forum member that had any DI2 comments from me inline.
> >
> > Then there's that shit stain up in ireland - perhaps he would assist in helping you maintain your dignity and prove I'm lying? Nah, This is the guy that can't even find a link to his own (fictional) 30K member reader forum.
> >
> > I guess it's up to you, sparky - Use those superior technical skills to provide a link any post where I claimed I had any experience with Di2. Simple, right?
> > >
> > > Every posting you make here you try and outdo yourself in your lies. You're not an engineer and never were - you're nothing more than a paper shuffler and you're probably making median wages.
> > Tell us again how PWM is used to test tcables, and "line lines" is a common term for fiber optics?
> > > And I will be waiting for you to show up and try and shut me up you pencil neck geek. At 78 and with my back out I could hit you once and that poor excuse for a life you have.
> > tough guy tommy! I'll be that was your nick name in the Air Force!
> > > Why don't you tell us about your invented "wife" after I mentioned that you talk just like the queers I interviewed in hospitals.
> > She's way more real than your invented stories of interviewing anyone in hospitals.
> It certainly disturbs you to be discovered doesn't it?

Nope, If anything I've only been 'discovered' by you as someone telling the truth about your lies. I'm waiting for someone here - anyone - to post a link to any post I've ever made about having any experience with Di2. Even just a _reply_ to a link since you've lied yet further a claimed I deleted my posts on the subject.

Put up or shut the fuck up, you lying piece of shit.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:46:41 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:57:50 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:46:03 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 11:25:58 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 2:24:39 AM UTC-7, funkma....@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 5:13:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:55:22 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:59:36 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:49:28 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have to be careful when ordering this. They come in three sizes. Two of them appear to be for the under-stem four or three point terminal block and the longest -MM looks designed to connect the bar end terminal block to the levers. The third long option is probably a little long so that it can be also used for TT bars. But better too much cable than too little (as I just found out when the Y connector I ordered turned out to be the shortest.) Since the handlebar is stuck in the very slow Chinese postal system I have more than enough time to get the proper Y connector.
> > > > > > > > > > > > No, no no please do it right this time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbAc3kUNarqF9XJGA
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You need a Y junction if you going to use the bar end terminal block. It has only two terminals and you need three (two to the shifters and one to the terminal block in the bracket. Like this one on my crossbike:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/1e6P6FZtuT29K1US9
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou, you may need three terminals but I only need two one side of the bar end that goes to both levers and the other side of the bar end that goes down to the four way terminal block that connects the levers to the front and rear derailleur and the battery. I thought that you built your bike but apparently you bought it built.
> > > > > > > > > > I bought it built with a junction A under the stem. I replaced that with an internal junction A at the bar end. My levers only had one E port so I needed a Y junction splitter. If you have levers with 2 E ports matters get simpler and you don’t need a Y junction splitter. Get yourself informed before you order because the cables are pretty expensive.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > "Get yourself informed before you order ...... " - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Considering that you know nothing about the subject since you're still using the 10 speed Di2 that uses entirely different wiring and cannot use the bar end interface, one had to wonder why you insist on making such a fool out of yourself. Is this because you like saying "DUHHHHH:?
> > > > > > > lol...talk about making a fool of yourself....I do not now, nor have I ever, used 10 speed Di2. I've never made that claim. You've repeatedly made the claim that I use 10 speed Di2, and I've repeatedly said I never have. If you seem to think I have please provide a link to the post.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now that we've established you a liar (not that it's a difficult task), let's ask why the component group (don't) use has any effect on how easy it is for you to educate yourself before typing things that are completely wrong (like metal pads are more quiet than organic and sanding pads it _not_ recommended to help quiet them).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So in the past 24 hours, you've been wrong about Di2 wiring, metal brake pads being quiet, and sanding brake pads. All this information is readily available for anyone willing to look it and not demonstrate their glaring ignorance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > " get yourself informed before you order...." - that's a pretty tall order given the intended recipient.....Q.E.D.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Go pass your bullshit on to Liebermann who will believe it since we spent many postings here talking about your 10 speed Di2.
> > > > > That never happened, dipshit. Put up or shut the fuck up.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The wiring harnesses have multistrand wires and the levers are also incompatible with the 11 speed Di2, So if you claim you never owned one of those groups you were lying then. Which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
> > > > >
> > > > > The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.
> > > >
> > > > How about you making me shut up you coward?
> > > If you ever do have the misfortune of meeting me, you'll need to redefine your understanding of the term "coward".
> > > > Anyone that has been following this group saw you claim to have a 10 speed Di2 and you claimed that it worked fine for you AFTER I said that Shimano made major changes to the 11 speed making the 10 speed a very bad deal.
> > > No one ever saw that, because it never happened, you fucking idiot. Again, If there was a post I ever made to that effect, it would be preserved here until the days that google permanently disables this forum. All you need to do is provide one link to a post where I claimed I ever used Di2. It's so easy, even you can do it.
> > >
> > > The floriduh dumbass seems to have a reasonable grasp of how this internet thingie works, maybe he can prove I'm lying. Nah, he'll just claim I reached back into the posting history and deleted any posts from any other forum member that had any DI2 comments from me inline.
> > >
> > > Then there's that shit stain up in ireland - perhaps he would assist in helping you maintain your dignity and prove I'm lying? Nah, This is the guy that can't even find a link to his own (fictional) 30K member reader forum.
> > >
> > > I guess it's up to you, sparky - Use those superior technical skills to provide a link any post where I claimed I had any experience with Di2. Simple, right?
> > > >
> > > > Every posting you make here you try and outdo yourself in your lies.. You're not an engineer and never were - you're nothing more than a paper shuffler and you're probably making median wages.
> > > Tell us again how PWM is used to test tcables, and "line lines" is a common term for fiber optics?
> > > > And I will be waiting for you to show up and try and shut me up you pencil neck geek. At 78 and with my back out I could hit you once and that poor excuse for a life you have.
> > > tough guy tommy! I'll be that was your nick name in the Air Force!
> > > > Why don't you tell us about your invented "wife" after I mentioned that you talk just like the queers I interviewed in hospitals.
> > > She's way more real than your invented stories of interviewing anyone in hospitals.
> > It certainly disturbs you to be discovered doesn't it?
> Nope, If anything I've only been 'discovered' by you as someone telling the truth about your lies. I'm waiting for someone here - anyone - to post a link to any post I've ever made about having any experience with Di2. Even just a _reply_ to a link since you've lied yet further a claimed I deleted my posts on the subject.
>
> Put up or shut the fuck up, you lying piece of shit.

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:46:00 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.

I just did that. Tom is wrong, as usual.

Start at:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech>
Click on the down arrow in the "Search conversations within..." box.
In "Posted by", inscribe "funkmasterxx@hotmail.com".
In "Has the words", inscribe "Di2".
Click on "Search".

The search should return at least 24 hits. I looked at all of them
and found NO evidence of the FunkMasterXX ever having claimed to own a
Shimano Di2. However, I did find numerous comments indicating the he
uses Sram. For example:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/SORgbJXjX54/m/icU2-geGBAAJ>
"I race with Sram Red on the road, Sram Force on my CX"

Tom, feel free to prove me wrong.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:36:28 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:46:00 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The lie here is from you stating I ever made any claims whatsoever about owning or riding an iteration of Di2. I never have and I never claimed I did. Searching Google groups is so easy even you can do it. Just type "Di2" into the little box at the top that says "search conversations within rec.bicycles.tech" at the top of the main page, and viola, you have all the listings. If I ever made any claims I had any experience with Di2 it would show up there, and no, I can't go back to posted replies from other users and delete them. So again, put up or shut the fuck up.
>
>I just did that. Tom is wrong, as usual.
>
>Start at:
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech>
>Click on the down arrow in the "Search conversations within..." box.
>In "Posted by", inscribe "funkmasterxx@hotmail.com".
>In "Has the words", inscribe "Di2".
>Click on "Search".
>
>The search should return at least 24 hits. I looked at all of them
>and found NO evidence of the FunkMasterXX ever having claimed to own a
>Shimano Di2. However, I did find numerous comments indicating the he
>uses Sram. For example:
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/SORgbJXjX54/m/icU2-geGBAAJ>
>"I race with Sram Red on the road, Sram Force on my CX"
>
>Tom, feel free to prove me wrong.

Tommy don't have to prove nothing! And if you paid attention you'd
know it.

After all, Tommy has told us over and over and over again how rich and
intelligent he is and all the super jobs he's had, and his collage
degree in boat navigation and all his other famous accomplishments.

All we have to do is listen (:-(
--
Cheers,

John B.