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 by: JanPB - Sun, 1 May 2022 02:11 UTC

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:19:47 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> Until the cretin deviant wrote "Time is what my clock shows",
[...]
> What the subversive cretin TRIED TO INTRODUCE that TIME FLOW is a PERSONAL MATTER,
[...]
> And just for this STUPID, PERVERT metaphysical attempt to corrupt science,

Your OCD is getting worse. I'd check with a doctor.

[...]
> relativity has to be abolished entirely, without any further
> thought.

This will never happen. Just like Newton's mechanics and
Maxwell's electrodynamics, Einstein's relativity will stay, forever.

> Just like that, by declaring relativity A SUBVERSIVE CRIME OF THOUGHT.

Dream on. This will never happen.

> Then, maybe, the world might regain the LOST CENTURY,

Keep fantasising.

> caused by the partners in crime of the Einstein's gang.

OCD again.

> Spacetime my ass.

Spacetime will likely go in future physics theories but relativity will
stay forever nevertheless, just like Newton's mechanics and
Maxwell's electrodynamics.

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On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:16:09 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Hi NG
>
> Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange concept
> about time.
>
> He wrote, that time would be based on synchronization of clocks.

No, this is incorrect. It's possible, in fact, to state special relativity without
ever defining clock synchronisation.

Clock sync is NOT where it's at.

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On Saturday, 30 April 2022 at 23:57:34 UTC+2, Python wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > [snip pure bs]
> >
> > But a better system would be Poincaré's local time.
> Cretin! The synchronization scheme presented in A.E. article

Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
and trying to pretend he knows something.
Tell me, poor stinker, what is your definition of
a "theory" in the terms of Peano arithmetic?
See: if a theorem is going to be a part of a theory,
it has to be formulable in the language of the
theory. Do you get it? Or are you too stupid even for
that, poor stinker?

> is actually called the "Einstein-Poicaré synchronization convention"

No matter how it is called, it's primitive and useless.
But it doesn't prevent some idiots to worship it.

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On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 04:14:22 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:

> No, this is incorrect. It's possible, in fact, to state special relativity without
> ever defining clock synchronisation.

And it would be no more detached from the reality than it is now.

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sun, 1 May 2022 07:36 UTC

Am 30.04.2022 um 21:31 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>> Am 30.04.2022 um 17:08 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>> Hi NG
>>>>
>>>> Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange concept
>>>> about time.
>>>>
>>>> He wrote, that time would be based on synchronization of clocks.
>>>
>>> No, he did not.
>>
>> Actually he did.
>>
>> See here
>> quote from page 2, §2 3rd paragraph
>>
>>>>> "We have to take into account that all our judgments in which time plays
>>>>> a part are always judgments of simultaneous events. If, for instance, I
>>>>> say, "That train arrives here at 7 o'clock," I mean something like this:
>>>>> "The pointing of the small hand of my watch to 7 and the arrival of the
>>>>> train are simultaneous events." "
>>
>> I would interpret his statement, that he regarded simultinaety as
>> important for a definition of time.
>
> Relevant, yes. Not foundational to the meaning of time.
>
>>
>> But time is usually based on the idea of counting events, which occur
>> one after the other, hence are not simultanious.
>
> You are confusing events which take place at the same place (in the current
> reference system), for which synchronizing is irrelevant, and events which
> take place in different locations and which therefor require
> synchronization of clocks to compare their times.

No.

I regard the surface of the Earth as 'one place' and the surface of a
distant planet as another place.

But we do not need to know the time shown at clocks at remote planets,
if we want to construct a clock here on Earth.

Therefore 'events at the same place' is what matters for our definition
of time and synchronisation is not.

Also closer distances then light-years are not a realm, to what we
usually want to synchronize our clocks.

E.g. it is almost entirely irrelevant, what time a clock on the Moon
would show, supposed there is one and someone to read it out.

There are occasinally problems, for which we need synchronized clocks.
E.g. travel by flight or train would cause trouble, if clocks are not
synchronized.

But in general we only need local measures and count events at a certain
spot.

If we find, that such clocks from different places run at different
rates, we have a problem, which is not easy to solve.

E.g. hight seems to make clocks tick at different rates. But what could
we do about it, if we had to compare a clock at the surface with one an
mountain?

We could make one clock tick faster, to match the other one's tick rate
or vice versa make one slower.

But this would make them synchronized with each other, but
desynchronized to their local clocks, what we also don't want.
....

TH

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 by: Job Chikamatsu - Sun, 1 May 2022 09:56 UTC

JanPB wrote:

> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:16:09 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Hi NG Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange
>> concept about time. He wrote, that time would be based on
>> synchronization of clocks.
>
> No, this is incorrect. It's possible, in fact, to state special
> relativity without ever defining clock synchronisation.
> Clock sync is NOT where it's at.

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 by: Odd Bodkin - Sun, 1 May 2022 12:16 UTC

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> Am 30.04.2022 um 21:31 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>> Am 30.04.2022 um 17:08 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>> Hi NG
>>>>>
>>>>> Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange concept
>>>>> about time.
>>>>>
>>>>> He wrote, that time would be based on synchronization of clocks.
>>>>
>>>> No, he did not.
>>>
>>> Actually he did.
>>>
>>> See here
>>> quote from page 2, §2 3rd paragraph
>>>
>>>>>> "We have to take into account that all our judgments in which time plays
>>>>>> a part are always judgments of simultaneous events. If, for instance, I
>>>>>> say, "That train arrives here at 7 o'clock," I mean something like this:
>>>>>> "The pointing of the small hand of my watch to 7 and the arrival of the
>>>>>> train are simultaneous events." "
>>>
>>> I would interpret his statement, that he regarded simultinaety as
>>> important for a definition of time.
>>
>> Relevant, yes. Not foundational to the meaning of time.
>>
>>>
>>> But time is usually based on the idea of counting events, which occur
>>> one after the other, hence are not simultanious.
>>
>> You are confusing events which take place at the same place (in the current
>> reference system), for which synchronizing is irrelevant, and events which
>> take place in different locations and which therefor require
>> synchronization of clocks to compare their times.
>
> No.
>
> I regard the surface of the Earth as 'one place' and the surface of a
> distant planet as another place.
>
> But we do not need to know the time shown at clocks at remote planets,
> if we want to construct a clock here on Earth.

This makes my point exactly.

>
> Therefore 'events at the same place' is what matters for our definition
> of time and synchronisation is not.

As I said, don’t confuse measuring time at one place — the one clock on
earth — with measuring time in different places — synchronizing separated
clocks.

Two different things.

Time is not just one or the other.

>
> Also closer distances then light-years are not a realm, to what we
> usually want to synchronize our clocks.
>
> E.g. it is almost entirely irrelevant, what time a clock on the Moon
> would show, supposed there is one and someone to read it out.
>
> There are occasinally problems, for which we need synchronized clocks.
> E.g. travel by flight or train would cause trouble, if clocks are not
> synchronized.
>
> But in general we only need local measures and count events at a certain
> spot.
>
> If we find, that such clocks from different places run at different
> rates, we have a problem, which is not easy to solve.
>
> E.g. hight seems to make clocks tick at different rates. But what could
> we do about it, if we had to compare a clock at the surface with one an
> mountain?
>
> We could make one clock tick faster, to match the other one's tick rate
> or vice versa make one slower.
>
> But this would make them synchronized with each other, but
> desynchronized to their local clocks, what we also don't want.
> ...
>
>
> TH
>
>

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Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>> Am 30.04.2022 um 21:31 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>> Am 30.04.2022 um 17:08 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi NG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange concept
>>>>>> about time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He wrote, that time would be based on synchronization of clocks.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, he did not.
>>>>
>>>> Actually he did.
>>>>
>>>> See here
>>>> quote from page 2, §2 3rd paragraph
>>>>
>>>>>>> "We have to take into account that all our judgments in which time plays
>>>>>>> a part are always judgments of simultaneous events. If, for instance, I
>>>>>>> say, "That train arrives here at 7 o'clock," I mean something like this:
>>>>>>> "The pointing of the small hand of my watch to 7 and the arrival of the
>>>>>>> train are simultaneous events." "
>>>>
>>>> I would interpret his statement, that he regarded simultinaety as
>>>> important for a definition of time.
>>>
>>> Relevant, yes. Not foundational to the meaning of time.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But time is usually based on the idea of counting events, which occur
>>>> one after the other, hence are not simultanious.
>>>
>>> You are confusing events which take place at the same place (in the current
>>> reference system), for which synchronizing is irrelevant, and events which
>>> take place in different locations and which therefor require
>>> synchronization of clocks to compare their times.
>>
>> No.
>>
>> I regard the surface of the Earth as 'one place' and the surface of a
>> distant planet as another place.
>>
>> But we do not need to know the time shown at clocks at remote planets,
>> if we want to construct a clock here on Earth.
>
> This makes my point exactly.
>
>>
>> Therefore 'events at the same place' is what matters for our definition
>> of time and synchronisation is not.
>
> As I said, don’t confuse measuring time at one place — the one clock on
> earth — with measuring time in different places — synchronizing separated
> clocks.
>
> Two different things.
>
> Time is not just one or the other.
>
>>
>> Also closer distances then light-years are not a realm, to what we
>> usually want to synchronize our clocks.
>>
>> E.g. it is almost entirely irrelevant, what time a clock on the Moon
>> would show, supposed there is one and someone to read it out.
>>
>> There are occasinally problems, for which we need synchronized clocks.
>> E.g. travel by flight or train would cause trouble, if clocks are not
>> synchronized.
>>
>> But in general we only need local measures and count events at a certain
>> spot.
>>
>> If we find, that such clocks from different places run at different
>> rates, we have a problem, which is not easy to solve.
>>
>> E.g. hight seems to make clocks tick at different rates. But what could
>> we do about it, if we had to compare a clock at the surface with one an
>> mountain?
>>
>> We could make one clock tick faster, to match the other one's tick rate
>> or vice versa make one slower.
>>
>> But this would make them synchronized with each other, but
>> desynchronized to their local clocks, what we also don't want.

This, by the way, is exactly what is done with the GPS, on purpose and to
good value. The GPS clocks are designed to synch with ground clocks, though
in exchange they are desynchronized from local clocks. You say no one
should want to do this, but scientists and engineers have elected in this
case to do this exactly.

>> ...
>>
>>
>> TH
>>
>>
>
>
>

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On Sunday, 1 May 2022 at 14:19:58 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> But this would make them synchronized with each other, but
> >> desynchronized to their local clocks, what we also don't want.
> This, by the way, is exactly what is done with the GPS, on purpose and to
> good value.

Stop this heresy, Bod, poor halfbrain. According to
ther rules of your moronic newspeak GPS clocks are not
synchronized.

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>>>> But this would make them synchronized with each other, but
>>>> desynchronized to their local clocks, what we also don't want.
>> This, by the way, is exactly what is done with the GPS, on purpose and to
>> good value.
>
> Stop this heresy, Bod, poor halfbrain. According to
> ther rules of your moronic newspeak GPS clocks are not
> synchronized.
>

Nonsense.

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JanPB wrote:

> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:19:47 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> [...]
>> relativity has to be abolished entirely, without any further thought.
>
> This will never happen. Just like Newton's mechanics and Maxwell's
> electrodynamics, Einstein's relativity will stay, forever.

be not that sure. It appears that the war is already over (former cia). It
was over two days after the russian federation inset. The military
hardware from america is apparently resold in Africa. Big money for the
bidans and the nazi zelenske. The nazis are going to disappear from the
regional territory of russian federation, known as "ukraine".

Scott Ritter Judge - Ukraine is going to lose. Zelensky is choosing to
kill Ukrainians https://www.bitchute.com/video/1vx7TYoT10n1/

next stop might be *_The_Capitalist_Republic_of_Poland_* (CRP).

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Am 01.05.2022 um 14:19 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
....
>>> Also closer distances then light-years are not a realm, to what we
>>> usually want to synchronize our clocks.
>>>
>>> E.g. it is almost entirely irrelevant, what time a clock on the Moon
>>> would show, supposed there is one and someone to read it out.
>>>
>>> There are occasinally problems, for which we need synchronized clocks.
>>> E.g. travel by flight or train would cause trouble, if clocks are not
>>> synchronized.
>>>
>>> But in general we only need local measures and count events at a certain
>>> spot.
>>>
>>> If we find, that such clocks from different places run at different
>>> rates, we have a problem, which is not easy to solve.
>>>
>>> E.g. hight seems to make clocks tick at different rates. But what could
>>> we do about it, if we had to compare a clock at the surface with one an
>>> mountain?
>>>
>>> We could make one clock tick faster, to match the other one's tick rate
>>> or vice versa make one slower.
>>>
>>> But this would make them synchronized with each other, but
>>> desynchronized to their local clocks, what we also don't want.
>
> This, by the way, is exactly what is done with the GPS, on purpose and to
> good value. The GPS clocks are designed to synch with ground clocks, though
> in exchange they are desynchronized from local clocks. You say no one
> should want to do this, but scientists and engineers have elected in this
> case to do this exactly.
>

Sure.

But hight is not really the same quantity as velocity.

And here we are talking about SRT, which does not know anything about
hight. SRT only covers streight lateral motion with some velocity v.

So, GPS uses a compensation based on GR, what should be ok.

But that has no influence on any statement in SRT.

In SRT we are discussing synchronized clocks in a 'flat' environment,
which knows nothing about gravity.

Now the question arises, how such synchronisation should be done in SRT
and whether or not Einstein's method was correct.

Apparently Einstein wanted position in space and relative velocity as
important factors and base time on them.

But I would say, that acceleration had the wanted influence, while
neither position nor velocity have any.

TH

TH

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Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> Am 01.05.2022 um 14:19 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> ...
>>>> Also closer distances then light-years are not a realm, to what we
>>>> usually want to synchronize our clocks.
>>>>
>>>> E.g. it is almost entirely irrelevant, what time a clock on the Moon
>>>> would show, supposed there is one and someone to read it out.
>>>>
>>>> There are occasinally problems, for which we need synchronized clocks.
>>>> E.g. travel by flight or train would cause trouble, if clocks are not
>>>> synchronized.
>>>>
>>>> But in general we only need local measures and count events at a certain
>>>> spot.
>>>>
>>>> If we find, that such clocks from different places run at different
>>>> rates, we have a problem, which is not easy to solve.
>>>>
>>>> E.g. hight seems to make clocks tick at different rates. But what could
>>>> we do about it, if we had to compare a clock at the surface with one an
>>>> mountain?
>>>>
>>>> We could make one clock tick faster, to match the other one's tick rate
>>>> or vice versa make one slower.
>>>>
>>>> But this would make them synchronized with each other, but
>>>> desynchronized to their local clocks, what we also don't want.
>>
>> This, by the way, is exactly what is done with the GPS, on purpose and to
>> good value. The GPS clocks are designed to synch with ground clocks, though
>> in exchange they are desynchronized from local clocks. You say no one
>> should want to do this, but scientists and engineers have elected in this
>> case to do this exactly.
>>
>
> Sure.
>
> But hight is not really the same quantity as velocity.
>
> And here we are talking about SRT, which does not know anything about
> hight. SRT only covers streight lateral motion with some velocity v.
>
> So, GPS uses a compensation based on GR, what should be ok.
>
> But that has no influence on any statement in SRT.
>
> In SRT we are discussing synchronized clocks in a 'flat' environment,
> which knows nothing about gravity.

Actually, you were questioning whether there is any need to synchronize
clocks at different places.

>
> Now the question arises, how such synchronisation should be done in SRT
> and whether or not Einstein's method was correct.

The question was not HOW synchronization should be done in SRT but WHETHER
it should be done in SRT.

Note that the synchronization test (which is what Einstein described)
works, for obvious reasons. If you have doubts about WHY it should work, we
could spell that out at the grade school level for you.

>
> Apparently Einstein wanted position in space and relative velocity as
> important factors and base time on them.
>
> But I would say, that acceleration had the wanted influence, while
> neither position nor velocity have any.
>
> TH
>
>
> TH
>
>

--
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On Mon, 2 May 2022 11:16:16 -0000 (UTC), Odd Bodkin wrote:

> The question was not HOW synchronization should be done in SRT but
> WHETHER it should be done in SRT.
>
> Note that the synchronization test (which is what Einstein described)
> works, for obvious reasons. If you have doubts about WHY it should work,
> we could spell that out at the grade school level for you.

You need to create a video and post it on Youtube. Thomas does not
comprehend text nor formulas. He "educates" himself via YT.

--
Reinhardt

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Am 02.05.2022 um 13:16 schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>>
>> But hight is not really the same quantity as velocity.
>>
>> And here we are talking about SRT, which does not know anything about
>> hight. SRT only covers streight lateral motion with some velocity v.
>>
>> So, GPS uses a compensation based on GR, what should be ok.
>>
>> But that has no influence on any statement in SRT.
>>
>> In SRT we are discussing synchronized clocks in a 'flat' environment,
>> which knows nothing about gravity.
>
> Actually, you were questioning whether there is any need to synchronize
> clocks at different places.

This is not exactly true, while close to what I think.

Einstein wrote, that ALL considerations about time include
considerations about synchronisation of clocks.

But that is wrong, because our concept of time is based on our own local
time and on the idea of counting events of known frequency.

Other times at other places are usually not our concern.

But such times from other places can be usfull in some cases, even if
they are not for standard situations.

>>
>> Now the question arises, how such synchronisation should be done in SRT
>> and whether or not Einstein's method was correct.
>
> The question was not HOW synchronization should be done in SRT but WHETHER
> it should be done in SRT.
>
> Note that the synchronization test (which is what Einstein described)
> works, for obvious reasons. If you have doubts about WHY it should work, we
> could spell that out at the grade school level for you.
>

I wanted to express, that my understanding of the term 'synchronisation'
is different to the understanding of Einstein of the same phrase.

Einstein took the actual reading of a remote clock as time of the place,
where that clock is located, while I wanted to add the delay caused by
the finite speed of light.

So our understanding of a principle is slightly different.

It is not a question of education, because I can understand Einstein's
concept. I only reject it as pure nonsense.

....

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Thu, 19 May 2022 05:40 UTC

Am 01.05.2022 um 04:14 schrieb JanPB:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:16:09 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Hi NG
>>
>> Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange concept
>> about time.
>>
>> He wrote, that time would be based on synchronization of clocks.
>
> No, this is incorrect. It's possible, in fact, to state special relativity without
> ever defining clock synchronisation.
>

SRT and Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' are two
different things.

I was talking about Einstein's paper, while you wrote about SRT.

Now it is important to notice, that SRT is a theory, which is composed
from the ideas of a great number of people, while Einstein's text is
written only by a single physicist.

This specific person wrote in that specific text:
"We have to take into account that all our judgments in which time plays
a part are always judgments of simultaneous events. ..."

We could eventually discuss the meaning of this statement, but not about
the content of Einstein's text, which contained, what I have quoted.

TH

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On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:40:10 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 01.05.2022 um 04:14 schrieb JanPB:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:16:09 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> >> Hi NG
> >>
> >> Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange concept
> >> about time.
> >>
> >> He wrote, that time would be based on synchronization of clocks.
> >
> > No, this is incorrect. It's possible, in fact, to state special relativity without
> > ever defining clock synchronisation.
> >
> SRT and Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' are two
> different things.

No, they are the same.

> I was talking about Einstein's paper, while you wrote about SRT.

They are the same.

> Now it is important to notice, that SRT is a theory, which is composed
> from the ideas of a great number of people, while Einstein's text is
> written only by a single physicist.

They are the same theories.

> This specific person wrote in that specific text:
> "We have to take into account that all our judgments in which time plays
> a part are always judgments of simultaneous events. ..."
>
> We could eventually discuss the meaning of this statement, but not about
> the content of Einstein's text, which contained, what I have quoted.

One theory can be introduced or derived in many different ways.

--
Jan

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On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:31:21 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Time is based on ANY periodic process that is shown to have high stability
> > and can be measured to good precision.
> No, Supreme Thinker.
>
> Time is not based on anything that the IKEA man can conceive.
>
> What TIME means is still unknown, undeciphered by us, mere mortals.
>
> We assigned the name of TIME to the FLOW of occurrences that we may register, directly or by indirect means.
>
> Think about THIS: IF everything around you, including yourself (your body, not your mind) STANDS STILL, can you say
> that time is FLOWING? Really? Or your mind into your quiet body THINK that time ceased to flow?
>
> Got it?
>
> The imbecile should have said: "Time DURATION is what my clock shows".
>
> And from that particular definition about measuring TIME DURATION (arbitrary, as any other means) he should have
> derived his fucking relativity.
>
> I laugh thinking about the cretin trying to get Lorentz Transforms of TIME DURATION!
>
> One thing is to define a spatial event as either x or x'.
> A very different thing is the heresy of define TIME as t or t' or whatever. He was a fucking SOPHIST, playing with pseudo-science
> and metaphysics.
>
> And he and his heirs succeeded for 117 years to CONVINCE lesser minds (you?) about the 1905 shit.

Note to the fucking polish parrot, Jan Piotr:

1) Bodkin already gave up, after years trying to understand 1905 relativity and failing miserably. It's also time that you retire,
before your brain melt due to the struggle of your COGNITIVE DISSONANCES. You have already taken a toll due to your sterile
fight against LOGIC and REASON, and you're next to become a drooling idiot.

When the cretin wrote his 1905 paper, 100% based on the PLAGIARISM of Lorentz's 1904 paper, he saw a window to develop
his metaphysical CRAP about time, which Lorentz CLEARLY dismissed as an auxiliary derivation of his length contraction pursuit.

This shitty concepts about time, clocks, sync and relativity of time and lengths occupy 50% of his fucking paper, and is what is
called SR or SRT today.

The second half, about the electrodynamics around electrons (charged particles) IS OBSOLETE, and has been abandoned even
at particle physics accelerators cult.

He, as YOU today, didn't have a fucking clue of WHAT an electron was. He plagiarized 1 to 1 Lorentz' s paper, changing names.

2) For ALL CONCEPTS, as of today, Einstein's SR or SRT is only what Lorentz Transforms try to formulate, and fail.
For one century, not a single proof exists that proves that length contraction HAS A REAL PHYSICS EXISTENCE. And due to this,
the second equation involving TIME has not a physical OR mathematical meaning, because it was CO-DERIVED along lengths,
in the same development. So, everything around SR is FALSE, is metaphysics, is pseudo-science, and has to be CANCELLED!

3) For more than 90 years, things that the cretin asserted in the second half of his fucking 1905 paper, have been proven WRONG,
either theoretically or experimentally. The last bastion (mass increase) was debunked by first rank physicists (like Okun), in a
decades long battle with retarded imbeciles, which you mirror hopelessly.

4) Time to pack and retire, Jan Piotr. You wasted your scientific lifetime for nothing. You should have kept programming PLC.
Now, please everyone, and join Bodkin in the retirement house.

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On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 13:34:46 UTC-5, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:31:21 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Time is based on ANY periodic process that is shown to have high stability
> > > and can be measured to good precision.
> > No, Supreme Thinker.
> >
> > Time is not based on anything that the IKEA man can conceive.
> >
> > What TIME means is still unknown, undeciphered by us, mere mortals.
> >
> > We assigned the name of TIME to the FLOW of occurrences that we may register, directly or by indirect means.
> >
> > Think about THIS: IF everything around you, including yourself (your body, not your mind) STANDS STILL, can you say
> > that time is FLOWING? Really? Or your mind into your quiet body THINK that time ceased to flow?
> >
> > Got it?
> >
> > The imbecile should have said: "Time DURATION is what my clock shows".
> >
> > And from that particular definition about measuring TIME DURATION (arbitrary, as any other means) he should have
> > derived his fucking relativity.
> >
> > I laugh thinking about the cretin trying to get Lorentz Transforms of TIME DURATION!
> >
> > One thing is to define a spatial event as either x or x'.
> > A very different thing is the heresy of define TIME as t or t' or whatever. He was a fucking SOPHIST, playing with pseudo-science
> > and metaphysics.
> >
> > And he and his heirs succeeded for 117 years to CONVINCE lesser minds (you?) about the 1905 shit.
>
> Note to the fucking polish parrot, Jan Piotr:
>
> 1) Bodkin already gave up, after years trying to understand 1905 relativity and failing miserably. It's also time that you retire,
> before your brain melt due to the struggle of your COGNITIVE DISSONANCES. You have already taken a toll due to your sterile
> fight against LOGIC and REASON, and you're next to become a drooling idiot.
>
> When the cretin wrote his 1905 paper, 100% based on the PLAGIARISM of Lorentz's 1904 paper, he saw a window to develop
> his metaphysical CRAP about time, which Lorentz CLEARLY dismissed as an auxiliary derivation of his length contraction pursuit.
>
> This shitty concepts about time, clocks, sync and relativity of time and lengths occupy 50% of his fucking paper, and is what is
> called SR or SRT today.
>
> The second half, about the electrodynamics around electrons (charged particles) IS OBSOLETE, and has been abandoned even
> at particle physics accelerators cult.
>
> He, as YOU today, didn't have a fucking clue of WHAT an electron was. He plagiarized 1 to 1 Lorentz' s paper, changing names.
>
> 2) For ALL CONCEPTS, as of today, Einstein's SR or SRT is only what Lorentz Transforms try to formulate, and fail.
> For one century, not a single proof exists that proves that length contraction HAS A REAL PHYSICS EXISTENCE. And due to this,
> the second equation involving TIME has not a physical OR mathematical meaning, because it was CO-DERIVED along lengths,
> in the same development. So, everything around SR is FALSE, is metaphysics, is pseudo-science, and has to be CANCELLED!
>
> 3) For more than 90 years, things that the cretin asserted in the second half of his fucking 1905 paper, have been proven WRONG,
> either theoretically or experimentally. The last bastion (mass increase) was debunked by first rank physicists (like Okun), in a
> decades long battle with retarded imbeciles, which you mirror hopelessly.
>
> 4) Time to pack and retire, Jan Piotr. You wasted your scientific lifetime for nothing. You should have kept programming PLC.
> Now, please everyone, and join Bodkin in the retirement house.

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Time does not exist. The word "time" is a human shorthand for saying "the measurement of movement from A to B". There is no absolute "time" phenomenon that is out there somewhere waiting to be understood. . For example, we humans have decided to refer to a twenty-fourth movement of the earth's rotation as one hour. Hence, Einsteins spacetime does not exist. Gravity is not caused by a curvature of spacetime, it is caused by the expansion of the universe. As things move away from each other due to expansion, this movement away from each other causes inertia in all directions, and the inertia causes gravity. Don't over-complicate things.
Russell Eaton

On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 13:34:46 UTC-5, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:31:21 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Time is based on ANY periodic process that is shown to have high stability
> > > and can be measured to good precision.
> > No, Supreme Thinker.
> >
> > Time is not based on anything that the IKEA man can conceive.
> >
> > What TIME means is still unknown, undeciphered by us, mere mortals.
> >
> > We assigned the name of TIME to the FLOW of occurrences that we may register, directly or by indirect means.
> >
> > Think about THIS: IF everything around you, including yourself (your body, not your mind) STANDS STILL, can you say
> > that time is FLOWING? Really? Or your mind into your quiet body THINK that time ceased to flow?
> >
> > Got it?
> >
> > The imbecile should have said: "Time DURATION is what my clock shows".
> >
> > And from that particular definition about measuring TIME DURATION (arbitrary, as any other means) he should have
> > derived his fucking relativity.
> >
> > I laugh thinking about the cretin trying to get Lorentz Transforms of TIME DURATION!
> >
> > One thing is to define a spatial event as either x or x'.
> > A very different thing is the heresy of define TIME as t or t' or whatever. He was a fucking SOPHIST, playing with pseudo-science
> > and metaphysics.
> >
> > And he and his heirs succeeded for 117 years to CONVINCE lesser minds (you?) about the 1905 shit.
>
> Note to the fucking polish parrot, Jan Piotr:
>
> 1) Bodkin already gave up, after years trying to understand 1905 relativity and failing miserably. It's also time that you retire,
> before your brain melt due to the struggle of your COGNITIVE DISSONANCES. You have already taken a toll due to your sterile
> fight against LOGIC and REASON, and you're next to become a drooling idiot.
>
> When the cretin wrote his 1905 paper, 100% based on the PLAGIARISM of Lorentz's 1904 paper, he saw a window to develop
> his metaphysical CRAP about time, which Lorentz CLEARLY dismissed as an auxiliary derivation of his length contraction pursuit.
>
> This shitty concepts about time, clocks, sync and relativity of time and lengths occupy 50% of his fucking paper, and is what is
> called SR or SRT today.
>
> The second half, about the electrodynamics around electrons (charged particles) IS OBSOLETE, and has been abandoned even
> at particle physics accelerators cult.
>
> He, as YOU today, didn't have a fucking clue of WHAT an electron was. He plagiarized 1 to 1 Lorentz' s paper, changing names.
>
> 2) For ALL CONCEPTS, as of today, Einstein's SR or SRT is only what Lorentz Transforms try to formulate, and fail.
> For one century, not a single proof exists that proves that length contraction HAS A REAL PHYSICS EXISTENCE. And due to this,
> the second equation involving TIME has not a physical OR mathematical meaning, because it was CO-DERIVED along lengths,
> in the same development. So, everything around SR is FALSE, is metaphysics, is pseudo-science, and has to be CANCELLED!
>
> 3) For more than 90 years, things that the cretin asserted in the second half of his fucking 1905 paper, have been proven WRONG,
> either theoretically or experimentally. The last bastion (mass increase) was debunked by first rank physicists (like Okun), in a
> decades long battle with retarded imbeciles, which you mirror hopelessly.
>
> 4) Time to pack and retire, Jan Piotr. You wasted your scientific lifetime for nothing. You should have kept programming PLC.
> Now, please everyone, and join Bodkin in the retirement house.

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On 5/20/22 6:53 AM, Russell Eaton wrote:
> Time does not exist. [...]

Of course not! Time is part of the MODEL, not the world. Models, of
course, are how we humans understand and learn about the world we inhabit.

Tom Roberts

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 7:53:17 AM UTC-3, deliver...@gmail.com wrote:
> Time does not exist. The word "time" is a human shorthand for saying "the measurement of movement from A to B". There is no absolute "time" phenomenon that is out there somewhere waiting to be understood. . For example, we humans have decided to refer to a twenty-fourth movement of the earth's rotation as one hour. Hence, Einsteins spacetime does not exist. Gravity is not caused by a curvature of spacetime, it is caused by the expansion of the universe. As things move away from each other due to expansion, this movement away from each other causes inertia in all directions, and the inertia causes gravity. Don't over-complicate things.
> Russell Eaton
> On Thursday, 19 May 2022 at 13:34:46 UTC-5, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 1:31:21 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > > Time is based on ANY periodic process that is shown to have high stability
> > > > and can be measured to good precision.
> > > No, Supreme Thinker.
> > >
> > > Time is not based on anything that the IKEA man can conceive.
> > >
> > > What TIME means is still unknown, undeciphered by us, mere mortals.
> > >
> > > We assigned the name of TIME to the FLOW of occurrences that we may register, directly or by indirect means.
> > >
> > > Think about THIS: IF everything around you, including yourself (your body, not your mind) STANDS STILL, can you say
> > > that time is FLOWING? Really? Or your mind into your quiet body THINK that time ceased to flow?
> > >
> > > Got it?
> > >
> > > The imbecile should have said: "Time DURATION is what my clock shows"..
> > >
> > > And from that particular definition about measuring TIME DURATION (arbitrary, as any other means) he should have
> > > derived his fucking relativity.
> > >
> > > I laugh thinking about the cretin trying to get Lorentz Transforms of TIME DURATION!
> > >
> > > One thing is to define a spatial event as either x or x'.
> > > A very different thing is the heresy of define TIME as t or t' or whatever. He was a fucking SOPHIST, playing with pseudo-science
> > > and metaphysics.
> > >
> > > And he and his heirs succeeded for 117 years to CONVINCE lesser minds (you?) about the 1905 shit.
> >
> > Note to the fucking polish parrot, Jan Piotr:
> >
> > 1) Bodkin already gave up, after years trying to understand 1905 relativity and failing miserably. It's also time that you retire,
> > before your brain melt due to the struggle of your COGNITIVE DISSONANCES. You have already taken a toll due to your sterile
> > fight against LOGIC and REASON, and you're next to become a drooling idiot.
> >
> > When the cretin wrote his 1905 paper, 100% based on the PLAGIARISM of Lorentz's 1904 paper, he saw a window to develop
> > his metaphysical CRAP about time, which Lorentz CLEARLY dismissed as an auxiliary derivation of his length contraction pursuit.
> >
> > This shitty concepts about time, clocks, sync and relativity of time and lengths occupy 50% of his fucking paper, and is what is
> > called SR or SRT today.
> >
> > The second half, about the electrodynamics around electrons (charged particles) IS OBSOLETE, and has been abandoned even
> > at particle physics accelerators cult.
> >
> > He, as YOU today, didn't have a fucking clue of WHAT an electron was. He plagiarized 1 to 1 Lorentz' s paper, changing names.
> >
> > 2) For ALL CONCEPTS, as of today, Einstein's SR or SRT is only what Lorentz Transforms try to formulate, and fail.
> > For one century, not a single proof exists that proves that length contraction HAS A REAL PHYSICS EXISTENCE. And due to this,
> > the second equation involving TIME has not a physical OR mathematical meaning, because it was CO-DERIVED along lengths,
> > in the same development. So, everything around SR is FALSE, is metaphysics, is pseudo-science, and has to be CANCELLED!
> >
> > 3) For more than 90 years, things that the cretin asserted in the second half of his fucking 1905 paper, have been proven WRONG,
> > either theoretically or experimentally. The last bastion (mass increase) was debunked by first rank physicists (like Okun), in a
> > decades long battle with retarded imbeciles, which you mirror hopelessly.
> >
> > 4) Time to pack and retire, Jan Piotr. You wasted your scientific lifetime for nothing. You should have kept programming PLC.
> > Now, please everyone, and join Bodkin in the retirement house.

You forgot one thing that exist from the lowest amount of volume (inside atoms) to the higher amount of volume (universe),
and has a simple name:

ROTATION

Everything ROTATES in the entire 3D space, from within atoms to galaxy clusters.

The universe itself ROTATES.

Gravity is a not understood consequences of COSMIC ROTATION. This poorly understood concept, along with
electrical charges, creates our reality at any level of perception, but it's barely studied.

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On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 16:43:59 UTC+2, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 5/20/22 6:53 AM, Russell Eaton wrote:
> > Time does not exist. [...]
>
> Of course not! Time is part of the MODEL, not the world. Models, of
> course, are how we humans understand and learn about the world we inhabit.

For instance, in a model of relativistic idiots we have
a dilating time while in the model applied by sane people
for GPS measurements it is absolute; and that's because
understanding by an idiot may be different than the
understanding by sane people.

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:43:59 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 5/20/22 6:53 AM, Russell Eaton wrote:
> > Time does not exist. [...]
>
> Of course not! Time is part of the MODEL, not the world. Models, of
> course, are how we humans understand and learn about the world we inhabit.

Absolute time exists. The GPS uses absolute time to synch the GPS clock with the ground clock.
This is achieved by adding 4.1617 transitions of Cs 133 radiation to the GPS second as follows:
A ground clock second is defined by 9,192,631,770 transitions (periods) of the Cs 133 atom
A GPS second is defined by 9,192,631,774.1617 transitions (periods) of the Cs 133 atom.
The passage of 9,192,631,774.1617 transitions on the GPS clock represents the same amount of absolute time as the passage of 9,192,631,770 periods on the ground clock.This makes the GPS in synch with the ground clock in terms of absolute time.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:31 UTC

On Friday, 20 May 2022 at 17:11:24 UTC+2, seto...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:43:59 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> > On 5/20/22 6:53 AM, Russell Eaton wrote:
> > > Time does not exist. [...]
> >
> > Of course not! Time is part of the MODEL, not the world. Models, of
> > course, are how we humans understand and learn about the world we inhabit.
> Absolute time exists.

Not just one. There is TAI, GPS, UTC, zone times...
though the differences ale slight, they are different.

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