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* Aioe.orgThe Starmaker
+* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|+* Re: Aioe.orgThe Starmaker
||+- Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
||`- Re: Aioe.orgThe Starmaker
|`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
| `* Re: Aioe.orgRoss A. Finlayson
|  `* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|   +* Re: Aioe.orgPaparios
|   |`- Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|   `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|    `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|     `* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|      +* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      | `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      +* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|      |+- Re: Aioe.orgRoss A. Finlayson
|      |`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      | `* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|      |  `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   +* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|      |   |+* Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||+* Re:Richard Hertz
|      |   |||`* Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitDono.
|      |   ||| `* Re: Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitRichard Hertz
|      |   |||  `* Re: Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitDono.
|      |   |||   `- Re: Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||+- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityThe Starmaker
|      |   ||`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   || `* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
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|      |   ||  ||+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||  |||+- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||  |||`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||  ||`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
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|      |   ||   +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||   +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   |+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityProkaryotic Capase Homolog
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|      |   ||   ||`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityProkaryotic Capase Homolog
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|      |   ||   || | `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   || +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   || +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityProkaryotic Capase Homolog
|      |   ||   || |`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   || | `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   || +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRichard Hertz
|      |   ||   || `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   |`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
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|      |   ||   | +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
|      |   ||   | |+- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | |+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
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|      |   ||   | || +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
|      |   ||   | || |`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | || `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   | |`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   | +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRoss A. Finlayson
|      |   ||   | |`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   | `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRoss A. Finlayson
|      |   ||   `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRichD
|      |   |`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   | `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |   |  `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   |   `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |   |    `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   |     `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |   `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      `* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|       +- Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|       `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|        `* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|         +* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
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|         | +* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
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|         | | `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|         | `* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|         |  `* Crank Dick Hertz eats shitDono.
|         |   `- Re: Crank Dick Hertz eats shitMaciej Wozniak
|         `* Re: Aioe.orgpatdolan
|          `- Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
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|`* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
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+* Re: Aioe.orgClutterfreak
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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:17:06 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
> >>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
> >>>>>> Moroney,
> >>>>>> Python and many others.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
> >>>>> Why defending?
> >>>>
> >>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
> >>>> for, poor halfbrain.
> >>>
> >>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
> >>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
> >>>
> >>>>> This group exists for amusement,
> >>>>
> >>>> :)))))
> >>>
> >>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
> >> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
> >>
> >> They all had the same thing to say--
> >>
> >> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >
> > Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
> > anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
> > from a relativistic idiot.
> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
>
> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah

I contributed, Starmaker. On Wikipedia. My derivation of an entirely new quantity: the Lorentz contraction velocity--never before seen in all of science. And what did I get for my efforts? Dirty Dirk and Python cancelled my wiki contribution.

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Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, utter cretin Richard Hertz:
> > >
> > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > >
> > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > >
> > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > >
> > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > >
> > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how the
> > > scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell tell you
> > > how it was done because keeping you basking in your imbecility is what
> > > make you so entertaining. I will just give you a hint: you need to start
> > > with the Schwarzschild solution. I noticed that as of late, keeping in
> > > line with you being THE odious kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild
> > > as well.
> > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended
> solution.

But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
to a few meters accuracy.
I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
and applying relativistic corrections.

How for example are you going to handle TCB,
using nothing but Schwarzschild?

Jan
(the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)

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 by: Dono. - Thu, 5 May 2022 16:52 UTC

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, utter cretin Richard Hertz:
> > > >
> > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > >
> > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > >
> > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > >
> > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how the
> > > > scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell tell you
> > > > how it was done because keeping you basking in your imbecility is what
> > > > make you so entertaining. I will just give you a hint: you need to start
> > > > with the Schwarzschild solution. I noticed that as of late, keeping in
> > > > line with you being THE odious kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild
> > > > as well.
> > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended
> > solution.
> But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> to a few meters accuracy.
> I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> and applying relativistic corrections.
>
> How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> using nothing but Schwarzschild?
>
> Jan
> (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)

we are talking the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.

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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:46:20 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> to a few meters accuracy.

Your mind is polluted with some common sense prejudices,
poor halfbrain; if you were truly devoted to the ingenious
idea of your idiot guru - you would want nothing but this
magnificient symmetry of his desynchronizing clocks.

> I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> and applying relativistic corrections.

That's of course, a pathetic lie, as expected from relativistic
scum. You've written yourself, not so long ago, according to
your religion and its Holiest Postulate corrected clocks are
wrong, and that's the REAL approach of The Shit to these
corrections.

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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:52:18 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, utter cretin Richard Hertz:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how the
> > > > > scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell tell you
> > > > > how it was done because keeping you basking in your imbecility is what
> > > > > make you so entertaining. I will just give you a hint: you need to start
> > > > > with the Schwarzschild solution. I noticed that as of late, keeping in
> > > > > line with you being THE odious kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild
> > > > > as well.
> > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended
> > > solution.
> > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > to a few meters accuracy.
> > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > and applying relativistic corrections.
> >
> > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> >
> > Jan
> > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> we are talking the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.

But in the meantime in the real world, forbidden nby your
insane Shit TAI keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious
clocks always did.

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:08:28 AM UTC-7, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:52:18 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, utter cretin Richard Hertz:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how the
> > > > > > scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell tell you
> > > > > > how it was done because keeping you basking in your imbecility is what
> > > > > > make you so entertaining. I will just give you a hint: you need to start
> > > > > > with the Schwarzschild solution. I noticed that as of late, keeping in
> > > > > > line with you being THE odious kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild
> > > > > > as well.
> > > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended
> > > > solution.
> > > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > > to a few meters accuracy.
> > > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > > and applying relativistic corrections.
> > >
> > > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> > >
> > > Jan
> > > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> > we are talking the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.
> But in the meantime in the real world,

If you keep cleaning the latrines with your mouth, your brain will fall off

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On 5/5/2022 11:36 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:17:06 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>> On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
>>>>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
>>>>>>>> Moroney,
>>>>>>>> Python and many others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
>>>>>>> Why defending?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
>>>>>> for, poor halfbrain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
>>>>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> This group exists for amusement,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :)))))
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
>>>> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
>>>>
>>>> They all had the same thing to say--
>>>>
>>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
>>>
>>> Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
>>> anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
>>> from a relativistic idiot.
>> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
>> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
>>
>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
>
> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> See, poor halfbrain? It's easy, anyone can write something alike.
> You're simply unable for anything but barking and insulting,
> just as expected from a relativistic idiot.

Let me know when you've contributed something (anything) worthwhile.

Goodbye.

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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:11:03 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:08:28 AM UTC-7, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:52:18 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, utter cretin Richard Hertz:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how the
> > > > > > > scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell tell you
> > > > > > > how it was done because keeping you basking in your imbecility is what
> > > > > > > make you so entertaining. I will just give you a hint: you need to start
> > > > > > > with the Schwarzschild solution. I noticed that as of late, keeping in
> > > > > > > line with you being THE odious kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild
> > > > > > > as well.
> > > > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended
> > > > > solution.
> > > > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > > > to a few meters accuracy.
> > > > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > > > and applying relativistic corrections.
> > > >
> > > > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > > > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> > > we are talking the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.
> > But in the meantime in the real world,
> If you keep cleaning the latrines with your mouth, your brain will fall off

See, poor stinker: I'm one of the best logicians the humanity
ever had and you're just a poor religious maniac of the third sort.
Of course - you can't discuss against me, all you can do is
barking, spitting, slandering... but you will do what you
can for The Shit you love.

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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:14:29 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/5/2022 11:36 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:17:06 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >> On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >>>> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
> >>>>>>>> Moroney,
> >>>>>>>> Python and many others.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
> >>>>>>> Why defending?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
> >>>>>> for, poor halfbrain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
> >>>>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> This group exists for amusement,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> :)))))
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
> >>>> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
> >>>>
> >>>> They all had the same thing to say--
> >>>>
> >>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >>>
> >>> Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
> >>> anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
> >>> from a relativistic idiot.
> >> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> >> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> >>
> >> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >
> > I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> > advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> > Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> > See, poor halfbrain? It's easy, anyone can write something alike.
> > You're simply unable for anything but barking and insulting,
> > just as expected from a relativistic idiot.
> Let me know when you've contributed something (anything) worthwhile.

No.

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:14:29 PM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
> On 5/5/2022 11:36 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:17:06 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >> On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >>>> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
> >>>>>>>> Moroney,
> >>>>>>>> Python and many others.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
> >>>>>>> Why defending?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
> >>>>>> for, poor halfbrain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
> >>>>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> This group exists for amusement,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> :)))))
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
> >>>> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
> >>>>
> >>>> They all had the same thing to say--
> >>>>
> >>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >>>
> >>> Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
> >>> anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
> >>> from a relativistic idiot.
> >> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> >> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> >>
> >> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >
> > I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> > advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> > Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> > See, poor halfbrain? It's easy, anyone can write something alike.
> > You're simply unable for anything but barking and insulting,
> > just as expected from a relativistic idiot.
> Let me know when you've contributed something (anything) worthwhile.
>
> Goodbye.

As years pass by, and topics for research are being depleted, fucking relativists are cornered into a situation
similar to that which existed at the end of XIX century, when Lord Kelvin stated that the edifice of physics was
complete, and for scientists it was only left to add more decimal values to universal constants.

Right now, the cretin relativists are pursuing the construction of femtosecond wrist-watches, and then will try
to add another 3 decimals down to 1 attosecond.

Science is stuck, in a similar way than 120 years ago. Imbeciles!

Then, a breakthrough will happen anytime sooner or later, and relativists will eat shit until they die.

Can it be ANTIGRAVITY?

Fucking arrogant retarded.

Crank Dick Hertz eats shit

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:28:20 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 2:14:29 PM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
> > On 5/5/2022 11:36 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:17:06 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> > >> On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> > >>>> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
> > >>>>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
> > >>>>>>>> Moroney,
> > >>>>>>>> Python and many others.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
> > >>>>>>> Why defending?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
> > >>>>>> for, poor halfbrain.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
> > >>>>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This group exists for amusement,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> :)))))
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
> > >>>> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> They all had the same thing to say--
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> > >>>
> > >>> Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
> > >>> anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
> > >>> from a relativistic idiot.
> > >> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> > >> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> > >>
> > >> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> > >
> > > I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> > > advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> > > Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> > > See, poor halfbrain? It's easy, anyone can write something alike.
> > > You're simply unable for anything but barking and insulting,
> > > just as expected from a relativistic idiot.
> > Let me know when you've contributed something (anything) worthwhile.
> >
> > Goodbye.

> I will eat shit until I die.
>
Absolutely

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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:43:13 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:28:20 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

> > I will eat shit until I die.

No, RH didn't write it. Poor idiot Dono is impudently
lying, as expected from relativistic scum.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 5 May 2022 18:39 UTC

patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:17:06 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> > >> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
> > >>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
> > >>>>>> Moroney,
> > >>>>>> Python and many others.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
> > >>>>> Why defending?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
> > >>>> for, poor halfbrain.
> > >>>
> > >>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
> > >>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
> > >>>
> > >>>>> This group exists for amusement,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> :)))))
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
> > >> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
> > >>
> > >> They all had the same thing to say--
> > >>
> > >> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> > >
> > > Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
> > > anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
> > > from a relativistic idiot.
> > I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> > advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> >
> > Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
>
> I contributed, Starmaker. On Wikipedia. My derivation of an entirely new
> quantity: the Lorentz contraction velocity--never before seen in all of
> science. And what did I get for my efforts? Dirty Dirk and Python
> cancelled my wiki contribution.

Yes, of course.
Wikipedia is not a medium for publishing original research.
(even if it is not nonsense, like yours)

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 5 May 2022 19:59 UTC

Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how
> > > > > the scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell
> > > > > tell you how it was done because keeping you basking in your
> > > > > imbecility is what make you so entertaining. I will just give you
> > > > > a hint: you need to start with the Schwarzschild solution. I
> > > > > noticed that as of late, keeping in line with you being THE odious
> > > > > kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild as well.
> > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the
> > > extended solution.
> > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > to a few meters accuracy.
> > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > and applying relativistic corrections.
> >
> > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> >
> > Jan
> > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
>
> we are talking

You were talking.

> the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced
> Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.

No doubt, for one particular tower, and idealising the Earth very much.
Try handling the real Earth with it,
with all the complications of the geoid shape,
and with Poisson's equation for the potential,

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how
> > > > > > the scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell
> > > > > > tell you how it was done because keeping you basking in your
> > > > > > imbecility is what make you so entertaining. I will just give you
> > > > > > a hint: you need to start with the Schwarzschild solution. I
> > > > > > noticed that as of late, keeping in line with you being THE odious
> > > > > > kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild as well.
> > > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the
> > > > extended solution.
> > > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > > to a few meters accuracy.
> > > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > > and applying relativistic corrections.
> > >
> > > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> > >
> > > Jan
> > > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> >
> > we are talking
> You were talking.

Look up the start of the thread.
> > the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced
> > Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.
> No doubt, for one particular tower, and idealising the Earth very much.
> Try handling the real Earth with it,
> with all the complications of the geoid shape,
> and with Poisson's equation for the potential,
>
> Jan

It is nothing but a rehash of the Pound Rebka experiment with a radius differential of about 1cm (meaning that all the other effects you cited are nulled out). Which is handled perfectly well by the reduced Schwarzschild solution. So, get off your high horse.

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Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how
> > > > > > > the scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell
> > > > > > > tell you how it was done because keeping you basking in your
> > > > > > > imbecility is what make you so entertaining. I will just give you
> > > > > > > a hint: you need to start with the Schwarzschild solution. I
> > > > > > > noticed that as of late, keeping in line with you being THE odious
> > > > > > > kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild as well.
> > > > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the
> > > > > extended solution.
> > > > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > > > to a few meters accuracy.
> > > > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > > > and applying relativistic corrections.
> > > >
> > > > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > > > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> > >
> > > we are talking
> > You were talking.
>
> Look up the start of the thread.
> > > the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced
> > > Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.
> > No doubt, for one particular tower, and idealising the Earth very much.
> > Try handling the real Earth with it,
> > with all the complications of the geoid shape,
> > and with Poisson's equation for the potential,
> >
> > Jan
>
>
> It is nothing but a rehash of the Pound Rebka experiment with a radius
> differential of about 1cm (meaning that all the other effects you cited
> are nulled out). Which is handled perfectly well by the reduced
> Schwarzschild solution. So, get off your high horse.

Excercise, now discuss the French clock in van experiment
in their tunnel under the Alps.
Or predict how the relative clock rate on the German coast will change
when some cubic kilometers of Greenland ice caps melt.

Your mistake is that you talk about a very idealised situation
as if that is all there is to it,

Jan

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 by: Dono. - Thu, 5 May 2022 20:32 UTC

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 1:28:42 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how
> > > > > > > > the scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell
> > > > > > > > tell you how it was done because keeping you basking in your
> > > > > > > > imbecility is what make you so entertaining. I will just give you
> > > > > > > > a hint: you need to start with the Schwarzschild solution. I
> > > > > > > > noticed that as of late, keeping in line with you being THE odious
> > > > > > > > kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild as well.
> > > > > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > > > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the
> > > > > > extended solution.
> > > > > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > > > > to a few meters accuracy.
> > > > > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > > > > and applying relativistic corrections.
> > > > >
> > > > > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > > > > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan
> > > > > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> > > >
> > > > we are talking
> > > You were talking.
> >
> > Look up the start of the thread.
> > > > the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced
> > > > Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.
> > > No doubt, for one particular tower, and idealising the Earth very much.
> > > Try handling the real Earth with it,
> > > with all the complications of the geoid shape,
> > > and with Poisson's equation for the potential,
> > >
> > > Jan
> >
> >
> > It is nothing but a rehash of the Pound Rebka experiment with a radius
> > differential of about 1cm (meaning that all the other effects you cited
> > are nulled out). Which is handled perfectly well by the reduced
> > Schwarzschild solution. So, get off your high horse.
> Excercise, now discuss the French clock in van experiment
> in their tunnel under the Alps.
> Or predict how the relative clock rate on the German coast will change
> when some cubic kilometers of Greenland ice caps melt.
>
> Your mistake is that you talk about a very idealised situation
> as if that is all there is to it,
>
> Jan
I am talking about the paper referenced in this thread. Two clocks, at the same location , difference of altitude 1 cm. You are a very sore loser, everything to prove that you are not wrong. Typical of old farts have beens.

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Thu, 5 May 2022 22:02 UTC

Clutterfreak wrote:

> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> for those who use free newsservers...
>>
>> if i'm not mistaken
>>
>> sci.physics.relativity is on the banlist now as of today.
>>
>>
>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
>>
>> nntp.aioe.org:
>> news.aioe.org:
>>
>>
>
> AIOE is not real usenet. It is like Google Groups; i.e., is essentially
> fraudulent as far as usenet is concerned.
>
> Any usenet provider that disables effective and easy kill-filing is a
> fraud designed to encourage spammers and psychos and other forms of
> unwanted traffic. Especially when they're also free!

It is either that or utter incompetence. Because, following the latest
massive off-topic tirades and fake news from the ’nym-shifting troll in
..relativity, I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user of
theirs.

And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing a
complaint would expect as a response.

*triple facepalm*

PointedEars
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 by: Jim Pennino - Thu, 5 May 2022 23:00 UTC

In sci.physics Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Any usenet provider that disables effective and easy kill-filing is a

Usenet providers have nothing to do with kill files, that is a function
of a news reader.

<snip>

> Among free newsservers always look for one that makes kill-filing very
> effective,

Yet again.

<snip>

> Just for show, the fraudulent providers usually allow kill-filing only
> at the level of someone's alias.

And yet again.

Looks like how usenet works is yet another thing the poster knows little
about.

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 by: whodat - Fri, 6 May 2022 01:10 UTC

On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> for those who use free newsservers...
>>>
>>> if i'm not mistaken
>>>
>>> sci.physics.relativity is on the banlist now as of today.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
>>>
>>> nntp.aioe.org:
>>> news.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> AIOE is not real usenet. It is like Google Groups; i.e., is essentially
>> fraudulent as far as usenet is concerned.
>>
>> Any usenet provider that disables effective and easy kill-filing is a
>> fraud designed to encourage spammers and psychos and other forms of
>> unwanted traffic. Especially when they're also free!
>
> It is either that or utter incompetence. Because, following the latest
> massive off-topic tirades and fake news from the ’nym-shifting troll in
> .relativity, I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user of
> theirs.
>
> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing a
> complaint would expect as a response.
>
> *triple facepalm*
>
>
> PointedEars

Are you, or is anyone else, certain why AIOE did what they did? Have
they told you why? Or is everyone making assumptions about their
reasoning.

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 by: Clutterfreak - Fri, 6 May 2022 02:20 UTC

On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> for those who use free newsservers...
>>>
>>> if i'm not mistaken
>>>
>>> sci.physics.relativity is on the banlist now as of today.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
>>>
>>> nntp.aioe.org:
>>> news.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> AIOE is not real usenet. It is like Google Groups; i.e., is essentially
>> fraudulent as far as usenet is concerned.
>>
>> Any usenet provider that disables effective and easy kill-filing is a
>> fraud designed to encourage spammers and psychos and other forms of
>> unwanted traffic. Especially when they're also free!
>
> It is either that or utter incompetence. Because, following the latest
> massive off-topic tirades and fake news from the ’nym-shifting troll in
> .relativity, I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user of
> theirs.
>
> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing a
> complaint would expect as a response.
>
> *triple facepalm*
>
>
> PointedEars

I don't think you understood my point.

2nd (and last) try. Usenet generally works only with effective
kill-filing. It is neither the provider's nor your business to ban or
complain about some nutcase who happens to post to your forum. Cause you
should be able to kill-file such nutcases.

But some providers do not furnish the messages that you receive with
headers that contain unique identifiers for the culprit's _account_ that
he has with the provider. So the nutcases keep changing their aliases
and reappear on your screen just like before using the same account.

AIOE is one of such providers. Google groups is another. They don't have
usenet's best interests in mind.

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 by: whodat - Fri, 6 May 2022 02:57 UTC

On 5/5/2022 12:26 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:14:29 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>> On 5/5/2022 11:36 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:17:06 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
>>>>>>>>>> Moroney,
>>>>>>>>>> Python and many others.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
>>>>>>>>> Why defending?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
>>>>>>>> for, poor halfbrain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
>>>>>>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This group exists for amusement,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :)))))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
>>>>>> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They all had the same thing to say--
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
>>>>> anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
>>>>> from a relativistic idiot.
>>>> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
>>>> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
>>>>
>>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
>>>
>>> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
>>> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
>>> See, poor halfbrain? It's easy, anyone can write something alike.
>>> You're simply unable for anything but barking and insulting,
>>> just as expected from a relativistic idiot.
>> Let me know when you've contributed something (anything) worthwhile.
>
> No.

Than all you have is Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah. Thanks for expressing
yourself so clearly.

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From: moron...@world.std.spaamtrap, "com (Mike Moroney)
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 by: Mike Moroney - Fri, 6 May 2022 03:11 UTC

I've had an Eternal September acct unused for years. I *could* have come
right back almost immediately with it, but...
1) I coincidentally got rather sick and playing with Usenet cranks on
s.p.r. was suddenly quite low on my priorities, and you wouldn't have
seen much of me anyway.
2) I started reading (not responding, of course) s.p.r anyway and almost
started thinking..."Do these cranks deserve me? Not really..." So I
decided to take a break from posting here, although I do reply in other
groups. I may return, or maybe not.

On 5/5/2022 6:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> for those who use free newsservers...
>>>
>>> if i'm not mistaken
>>>
>>> sci.physics.relativity is on the banlist now as of today.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
>>>
>>> nntp.aioe.org:
>>> news.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> AIOE is not real usenet. It is like Google Groups; i.e., is essentially
>> fraudulent as far as usenet is concerned.

Using AIOE is actually not that different from the original Usenet
(pre-1993 or so) with a few notable exceptions:

1) Your NNTP server was nearly always provided by your place of work,
your university or ISP. Public servers existed but rare; often
considered the homes of hackers etc. Few used others' "home" NNTP
servers, especially once the concept of NNTP server accounts/passwords
existed. Your NNTP server added its location and your IP address. AIOE
hides that. If you worked at XYZ Corp. your posts had an Organization:
XYZ Corp. and an XYZ Corp NNTP Posting Host IP address, if you needed to
be tracked down. It usually was a bit of pride.

2) Varying degrees of tolerance existed at first, usually you were fine
as long as you avoid serious criminal acts like kiddie porn. AIOE is
run by someone who deserves the hell of running the most anal
homeowners' association possible.

3) Various "wars" with spambots, cancelbots, floodbots, erupted which
often wound up making NNTP "accounts"/passwords being necessary, certain
headers always being overridden by the server. AIOE never even reached
the state of having accounts, you just used it!

(btw one of the most interesting Usenet wars was the Church of
Scientology vs. the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology around 1995-2001
or so. Bizarre!)

When Usenet started dying off, ISPs and others started to get rid of
their own NNTP servers, either outsourcing them or outright getting rid
of them. Especially if some security type pointed the biggest consumer
of space in the NNTP pool were messages in the
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.* tree or "warez" groups. Biggest
consumer of disk space, that is, even if there was no local follower of
those groups. But it was enough for some corporate bigwig to state
"Shut that down, NOW!" and poof, gone was another local company or big
ISP NNTP server. People either gave up on Usenet (not understanding the
NNTP server didn't have to be local, or just said the hell with it) or
moved to a few increasingly popular public servers, many of whom charged
subscriptions.
>>
>> Any usenet provider that disables effective and easy kill-filing is a
>> fraud designed to encourage spammers and psychos and other forms of
>> unwanted traffic. Especially when they're also free!

Unless they start tinkering with headers they cannot do that. Killfiles
run on the client, not the server.

Having said that, not including or encrypting the NNTP-Posting-Host *is*
messing with that one header, which is why the nymshifting troll evaded
killfiles 99.9% of the time (not me) if you didn't just killfile
everything from AIOE. Modifying other headers as the nymshifter does,
has *always* been part of Usenet, and Usenet abuse, since the beginning.
>
> It is either that or utter incompetence. Because, following the latest
> massive off-topic tirades and fake news from the ’nym-shifting troll in
> .relativity, I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user of
> theirs.
>
> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,

There *is* no "account" to suspend. They do monitor by IP address, and
block certain abusive IP addresses, so it *should* have been easy to
figure out which IPs it used and block *them*. (But apparently not...)

> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing a
> complaint would expect as a response.
>
> *triple facepalm*
>
The guy who runs AIOE apparently decided to take his ball and go home.
Another possibility is they've been playing whack-a-mole with the
troll/IP addresses for years and a big complaint was enough for them to
say "F it!" But the nymshifter hasn't slowed down in many other groups
it infests...
Google Groups is a sick joke because you use a web browser, not a NNTP
client, to read it. A web browser doesn't even *have* an concept of a
killfile. Add a bunch of non-conforming stuff to what gets posted from
there just makes them a VERY poor Usenet "neighbor".

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 by: The Starmaker - Fri, 6 May 2022 04:38 UTC

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> patdolan wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:03:32 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > for those who use free newsservers...
> > >
> > > if i'm not mistaken
> > >
> > > sci.physics.relativity is on the banlist now as of today.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
> > >
> > > nntp.aioe.org:
> > > news.aioe.org:
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > and challenge
> > > the unchallengeable.
> >
> > Starmaker, can you please bottomline this for us? What are the implications, if any?
> >
> > I suggest this forum should rate the abusers--at least for posterity, so that future generations will know who were the worst actors and abusers at the start of the Information Age. Can I get an amen?
>
> Who do you think is the number one Lurker right now?

the odd bodkin is probably now
trying to figure out his next options:

take a vacation and
come back as a woman...or

change his handle from the odd bodkin to

I'M FUCKING GOD!!!

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:11:18 AM UTC-3, "Mike Moron...@world.std.spaamtrap wrote:

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> 2) I started reading (not responding, of course) s.p.r anyway and almost
> started thinking..."Do these cranks deserve me? Not really..." So I
> decided to take a break from posting here, .......................

Moroney, you're fatally broken, man.

Think about the man-years that you wasted here for nothing. And still you think that we are "unworthy" to read your crappy posts?

You have no salvation.

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