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* Aioe.orgThe Starmaker
+* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|+* Re: Aioe.orgThe Starmaker
||+- Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
||`- Re: Aioe.orgThe Starmaker
|`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
| `* Re: Aioe.orgRoss A. Finlayson
|  `* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|   +* Re: Aioe.orgPaparios
|   |`- Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|   `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|    `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|     `* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|      +* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      | `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      +* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|      |+- Re: Aioe.orgRoss A. Finlayson
|      |`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      | `* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|      |  `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   +* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|      |   |+* Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||+* Re:Richard Hertz
|      |   |||`* Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitDono.
|      |   ||| `* Re: Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitRichard Hertz
|      |   |||  `* Re: Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitDono.
|      |   |||   `- Re: Utter cretin Dick Heratz keeps on eating shitMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||+- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityThe Starmaker
|      |   ||`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   || `* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||  +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||  |+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||  ||+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||  |||+- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||  |||`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||  ||`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||  || +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||  || |`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||  || | `* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||  || |  `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||  || `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||  |`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||  `* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityProkaryotic Capase Homolog
|      |   ||   +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityDono.
|      |   ||   +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   |+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityProkaryotic Capase Homolog
|      |   ||   ||+- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   ||`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityProkaryotic Capase Homolog
|      |   ||   || +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   || |+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRichD
|      |   ||   || ||`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   || |`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityrotchm
|      |   ||   || | `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   || +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   || +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityProkaryotic Capase Homolog
|      |   ||   || |`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   || | `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   || +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRichard Hertz
|      |   ||   || `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   |`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
|      |   ||   | +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilitypatdolan
|      |   ||   | +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilitypatdolan
|      |   ||   | +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
|      |   ||   | |+- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | |+* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
|      |   ||   | ||`* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | || +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityStan Fultoni
|      |   ||   | || |`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | || `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   | |`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   | +* Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRoss A. Finlayson
|      |   ||   | |`- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityJ. J. Lodder
|      |   ||   | +- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityMaciej Wozniak
|      |   ||   | `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRoss A. Finlayson
|      |   ||   `- Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecilityRichD
|      |   |`* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   | `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |   |  `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   |   `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |   |    `* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|      |   |     `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      |   `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|      `* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|       +- Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|       `* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|        `* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|         +* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|         |`* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|         | +* Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|         | |`* Re: Aioe.orgwhodat
|         | | `- Re: Aioe.orgMaciej Wozniak
|         | `* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
|         |  `* Crank Dick Hertz eats shitDono.
|         |   `- Re: Crank Dick Hertz eats shitMaciej Wozniak
|         `* Re: Aioe.orgpatdolan
|          `- Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
+* Re: Aioe.orgJ. J. Lodder
|`* Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
| `- Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
+- Re: Aioe.orgRichard Hertz
+* Re: Aioe.orgClutterfreak
`* Re: Aioe.orgpatdolan

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 1:37:44 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:

<snip>

> the odd bodkin is probably now
> trying to figure out his next options:
>
> take a vacation and
> come back as a woman...or

Wait a minute!
Are you trying to tell me that Bodkin is a man? Really?

I'm shocked, I tell you!

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Subject: Re: Utter cretin Richard Hertz blames GR for his own imbecility
From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 6 May 2022 05:28 UTC

On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 22:06:26 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is not how
> > > > > > > the scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play. I will not tell
> > > > > > > tell you how it was done because keeping you basking in your
> > > > > > > imbecility is what make you so entertaining. I will just give you
> > > > > > > a hint: you need to start with the Schwarzschild solution. I
> > > > > > > noticed that as of late, keeping in line with you being THE odious
> > > > > > > kapo, you started disparaging Schwarzschild as well.
> > > > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the
> > > > > extended solution.
> > > > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > > > to a few meters accuracy.
> > > > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian limit,
> > > > and applying relativistic corrections.
> > > >
> > > > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > > > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> > >
> > > we are talking
> > You were talking.
> Look up the start of the thread.
> > > the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced
> > > Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.
> > No doubt, for one particular tower, and idealising the Earth very much.
> > Try handling the real Earth with it,
> > with all the complications of the geoid shape,
> > and with Poisson's equation for the potential,
> >
> > Jan
> It is nothing but a rehash of the Pound Rebka experiment

In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
by your insane religion GPS and TAI keep measuring
t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 6 May 2022 05:32 UTC

On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 04:57:26 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/5/2022 12:26 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 19:14:29 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >> On 5/5/2022 11:36 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 18:17:06 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >>>> On 5/4/2022 11:27 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 22:09:35 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/4/2022 10:24 AM, whodat wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 5/4/2022 2:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 09:34:55 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think that Bodkin is having a nervous breakdown by now.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> He can't fulfill his quota of 20-30 posts a day, since 2014. Also
> >>>>>>>>>> Moroney,
> >>>>>>>>>> Python and many others.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Who's going to defend relativity, science and Einstein now?
> >>>>>>>>> Why defending?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Because that's what your insane Shit has trained you
> >>>>>>>> for, poor halfbrain.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Actually relativity needs no defense because it functions as intended
> >>>>>>> and nobody has been able to replace it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This group exists for amusement,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> :)))))
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes indeed, I get a good laugh now and again.
> >>>>>> I received several replies that I choose not to reply to directly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They all had the same thing to say--
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stop fucking, poor trash. You're simply unable for
> >>>>> anything but barking and insulting, just as expected
> >>>>> from a relativistic idiot.
> >>>> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> >>>> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> >>>>
> >>>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >>>
> >>> I've been watching for the longest time for some (any) contribution
> >>> advancing science from you. All I've seen so far is:
> >>> Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
> >>> See, poor halfbrain? It's easy, anyone can write something alike.
> >>> You're simply unable for anything but barking and insulting,
> >>> just as expected from a relativistic idiot.
> >> Let me know when you've contributed something (anything) worthwhile.
> >
> > No.
> Than all you have is Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah. Thanks for expressing
> yourself so clearly.

Then you can't read. Thanks for expressing yourself
so clearly, but nothing surprising from a relativistic
idiot. You asked me to do something, I refused. That's
all.

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 by: The Starmaker - Fri, 6 May 2022 05:44 UTC

Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 1:37:44 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > the odd bodkin is probably now
> > trying to figure out his next options:
> >
> > take a vacation and
> > come back as a woman...or
>
> Wait a minute!
> Are you trying to tell me that Bodkin is a man? Really?
>
> I'm shocked, I tell you!

No, in the usenet community
men to protect themselves
from others attacking them
use a woman's name for their
handle in order to tone down
the attacks.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

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 by: Mike Moroney - Fri, 6 May 2022 06:34 UTC

On 5/6/2022 12:38 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:11:18 AM UTC-3, "Mike Moron...@world.std.spaamtrap wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> 2) I started reading (not responding, of course) s.p.r anyway and almost
>> started thinking..."Do these cranks deserve me? Not really..." So I
>> decided to take a break from posting here, .......................
>
>
> Moroney, you're fatally broken, man.

I'm not the one with a severe, hate-filled case of OCD, Dick.
>
> Think about the man-years that you wasted here for nothing.

"Wasted here for nothing"? How is my entertainment 'man-years of time'
'wasted for nothing'? Or rather, if I decide against further
entertainment, all the previous entertainment somehow all becomes
"wasted"? Explain.

How about if I am a huge baseball fan. Every year I go to every home
game, some 80 or so games a year, a couple hours per game not counting
travel time. Call it 200 hours of time/year, not counting the time
working to earn ticket prices etc. Then one day I decide to do
something else rather than attend baseball games. Does that make the 200
hours/year * X years of entertainment I enjoyed to be "man-years" (of
time) "wasted for nothing"? Really?

Oh, did I ever explain that I am here to be entertained by cranks such
as yourself, who entertain me just by being your natural crackpot
selves? Why yes, I did. Many times.

> And still you think that we are "unworthy" to read your crappy posts?

'We' meaning everyone else, perhaps so. You (singular), yourself
unworthy? Definitely!
>
> You have no salvation.

I'll remind you again: It is you, not me, with an OCD-driven
hate-filled rage against a man who is long dead, and who never knew you
or your family, nor did you or your family know him (yes you knew OF
him). And you spend hours here spreading your hate-filled venom to
anyone who will listen...? What was it you were saying about "man-years
of time" being "wasted for nothing"? YOU have no salvation! Imagine
all the GOOD you could have done by NOT hating Einstein?

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 6 May 2022 06:45 UTC

On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 08:34:07 UTC+2, Mike Moroney wrote:
> On 5/6/2022 12:38 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:11:18 AM UTC-3, "Mike Moron...@world.std.spaamtrap wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> 2) I started reading (not responding, of course) s.p.r anyway and almost
> >> started thinking..."Do these cranks deserve me? Not really..." So I
> >> decided to take a break from posting here, .......................
> >
> >
> > Moroney, you're fatally broken, man.
> I'm not the one with a severe, hate-filled case of OCD, Dick.

Hey, stupid Mike, did you decide we're deserving you, after all?
A mistake, again. We surely don't, you should go show your
incredible wisdom elsewhere.

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Fri, 6 May 2022 10:20 UTC

whodat wrote:

> On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>
>> […] I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> of theirs.
>>
>> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
>> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
>> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
>> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing
>> a complaint would expect as a response.
>
> Are you, or is anyone else, certain why AIOE did what they did? Have
> they told you why? Or is everyone making assumptions about their
> reasoning.

Learn to read.

*quadruple facepalm*

PointedEars
--
Q: Where are offenders sentenced for light crimes?
A: To a prism.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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 by: Prokaryotic Capase H - Fri, 6 May 2022 11:15 UTC

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:11:18 PM UTC-5, "Mike Moron...@world.std.spaamtrap wrote:
> I've had an Eternal September acct unused for years. I *could* have come
> right back almost immediately with it, but...
> 1) I coincidentally got rather sick and playing with Usenet cranks on
> s.p.r. was suddenly quite low on my priorities, and you wouldn't have
> seen much of me anyway.
> 2) I started reading (not responding, of course) s.p.r anyway and almost
> started thinking..."Do these cranks deserve me? Not really..." So I
> decided to take a break from posting here, although I do reply in other
> groups. I may return, or maybe not.

I imagine that quite a number of the other regular non-crank posters are
thinking in the same direction. Including some of the better/best ones.

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 by: Prokaryotic Capase H - Fri, 6 May 2022 11:48 UTC

On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:30:07 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended solution.

You and Jan have different notions of what constitutes the
"exercise at hand".
1) At the level of absolute precision with which Jan writes, the
gravitational potential around the Earth is far from smoothly
symmetrical. Rather, it is extremely lumpy and constantly
changing in shape from internal changes in the Earth's
distribution of mass as well as from the influence of other
planets.
2) On the other hand, when discussing sensitivity of measurement,
say when calculating the difference in potential given a height
difference of several centimeters, these other influences make
hardly any difference at all, and the Schwarzschild solution
represents a perfectly good approximation.

So you two are arguing at cross-purposes. Both of you tend to
go with your initial "take" on a problem and ignore the fact that
others may have a different "take" on the same problem. I noticed
this, for instance, when Jan and I were arguing on the utility of
millisecond pulsars as clocks. And you and I have also had our
spats in the past...

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 by: whodat - Fri, 6 May 2022 14:08 UTC

On 5/6/2022 5:20 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>
>> On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>
>>> […] I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> of theirs.
>>>
>>> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
>>> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
>>> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
>>> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing
>>> a complaint would expect as a response.
>>
>> Are you, or is anyone else, certain why AIOE did what they did? Have
>> they told you why? Or is everyone making assumptions about their
>> reasoning.
>
> Learn to read.
>
> *quadruple facepalm*
>
>
> PointedEars

Oh you're so cute with those antics! Are you sure you're not a girl
posing as a boy with gender confusion as mentioned by another crank
today?

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 by: Dono. - Fri, 6 May 2022 14:09 UTC

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 4:48:39 AM UTC-7, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote:
> 2) On the other hand, when discussing sensitivity of measurement,
> say when calculating the difference in potential given a height
> difference of several centimeters, these other influences make
> hardly any difference at all, and the Schwarzschild solution
> represents a perfectly good approximation.
>

Which IS the exercise that Dick Hertz botched. So Jan is barking up the wrong tree: first he demanded that I used the full potential (including the Sun and all the planets in the solar system) and then, when realizing his mistake , demanding that I use the full expression of the potential , notwithstanding that the terms in J_2, J_3, etc are at least 3 orders of magnitude smaller than the main term.

> So you two are arguing at cross-purposes. Both of you tend to
> go with your initial "take" on a problem and ignore the fact that
> others may have a different "take" on the same problem.

I understood perfectly HIS take (see also above). This is why I kept batting away his pedantry.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 6 May 2022 14:57 UTC

On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 16:08:59 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/6/2022 5:20 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > whodat wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>> Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> […] I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>> of theirs.
> >>>
> >>> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
> >>> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
> >>> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
> >>> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing
> >>> a complaint would expect as a response.
> >>
> >> Are you, or is anyone else, certain why AIOE did what they did? Have
> >> they told you why? Or is everyone making assumptions about their
> >> reasoning.
> >
> > Learn to read.
> >
> > *quadruple facepalm*
> >
> >
> > PointedEars
> Oh you're so cute with those antics! Are you sure you're not a girl
> posing as a boy with gender confusion as mentioned by another crank
> today?

Unlike many cranks, you're indeed contributing
to science here; I see.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:18 UTC

>Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 1:28:42 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:59:21 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:46:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Adapting to 2022 notation the 1911 formula:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ?f/f = g.?h/c?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And, following PTB terms:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > g.?h = c? (?f/f)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to stop blaming GR for your cretinism. This is
> > > > > > > > > not how the scientists used GR, "g" never comes into play.
> > > > > > > > > I will not tell tell you how it was done because keeping
> > > > > > > > > you basking in your imbecility is what make you so
> > > > > > > > > entertaining. I will just give you a hint: you need to
> > > > > > > > > start with the Schwarzschild solution. I noticed that as
> > > > > > > > > of late, keeping in line with you being THE odious kapo,
> > > > > > > > > you started disparaging Schwarzschild as well.
> > > > > > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > > > > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the
> > > > > > > extended solution.
> > > > > > But you do want to navigte probes through the solar system,
> > > > > > to a few meters accuracy.
> > > > > > I don't think you can handle that without going to the Newtonian
> > > > > > limit, and applying relativistic corrections.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How for example are you going to handle TCB,
> > > > > > using nothing but Schwarzschild?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jan
> > > > > > (the advance of TCB wrt TAI involves all masses in the solar system)
> > > > >
> > > > > we are talking
> > > > You were talking.
> > >
> > > Look up the start of the thread.
> > > > > the experiment done on Earth by the Japanese engineers. The reduced
> > > > > Schwartzscild solution more than covers the explanation of the result.
> > > > No doubt, for one particular tower, and idealising the Earth very much.
> > > > Try handling the real Earth with it,
> > > > with all the complications of the geoid shape,
> > > > and with Poisson's equation for the potential,
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> > > It is nothing but a rehash of the Pound Rebka experiment with a radius
> > > differential of about 1cm (meaning that all the other effects you cited
> > > are nulled out). Which is handled perfectly well by the reduced
> > > Schwarzschild solution. So, get off your high horse.
> > Excercise, now discuss the French clock in van experiment
> > in their tunnel under the Alps.
> > Or predict how the relative clock rate on the German coast will change
> > when some cubic kilometers of Greenland ice caps melt.
> >
> > Your mistake is that you talk about a very idealised situation
> > as if that is all there is to it,
> >
> > Jan
> I am talking about the paper referenced in this thread.

Yes, your problem. You are talking to yourself,

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:18 UTC

Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:30:07 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended
> > solution.
> >
> You and Jan have different notions of what constitutes the
> "exercise at hand".

Not at all. I understand the whole situation from all viewpoints.
Dono otoh is insisting that his extremely limited view
is the only right way to talk abut it.

> 1) At the level of absolute precision with which Jan writes, the
> gravitational potential around the Earth is far from smoothly
> symmetrical. Rather, it is extremely lumpy and constantly
> changing in shape from internal changes in the Earth's
> distribution of mass as well as from the influence of other
> planets.

Right.

> 2) On the other hand, when discussing sensitivity of measurement,
> say when calculating the difference in potential given a height
> difference of several centimeters, these other influences make
> hardly any difference at all, and the Schwarzschild solution
> represents a perfectly good approximation.

Right again. Scharwschildt's metric is an extreme idealisation.
There is no black hole in the centre of the Earth,
and there isn't one in the solar system either.
The Scharwschild solution boils down to the Newtonian approximation,
and nothing beyond that is measurable.

> So you two are arguing at cross-purposes.

I am not arguing. It is just Dono trying to pick a quarrel over nothing.
(like always)

> Both of you tend to go with your initial "take" on a problem and ignore
> the fact that others may have a different "take" on the same problem.

You are trying to see a symmetry where there is none.

> I noticed this, for instance, when Jan and I were arguing on the utility
> of millisecond pulsars as clocks.

Who talked about utility? You perhaps.

I was talking about (millisecond) pulsars
as a fundamental problem in physics.
In case you missed it, the problem is:
is the time that is defined purely by inertia,
originally the time defined by the rotation of the Earth,
nowadays by the rotation of pulsars,
the same time as the time defined by clocks.
(originall pendulum clocks, nowadays atomic ones)

The answer is still pending,

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:18 UTC

<"Mike Moroney <moroney"@world.std.spaamtrap> wrote:

> I've had an Eternal September acct unused for years. I *could* have come
> right back almost immediately with it, but...
> 1) I coincidentally got rather sick and playing with Usenet cranks on
> s.p.r. was suddenly quite low on my priorities, and you wouldn't have
> seen much of me anyway.
> 2) I started reading (not responding, of course) s.p.r anyway and almost
> started thinking..."Do these cranks deserve me? Not really..." So I
> decided to take a break from posting here, although I do reply in other
> groups. I may return, or maybe not.

Yes, idem. I may be gone again in a while.

The problem with sc.p.rel is that quarrel picking
has become a second nature even with those who should know better,

Jan

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 by: whodat - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:28 UTC

On 5/6/2022 9:57 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 16:08:59 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>> On 5/6/2022 5:20 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> whodat wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> […] I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> of theirs.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
>>>>> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
>>>>> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
>>>>> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing
>>>>> a complaint would expect as a response.
>>>>
>>>> Are you, or is anyone else, certain why AIOE did what they did? Have
>>>> they told you why? Or is everyone making assumptions about their
>>>> reasoning.
>>>
>>> Learn to read.
>>>
>>> *quadruple facepalm*
>>>
>>>
>>> PointedEars
>> Oh you're so cute with those antics! Are you sure you're not a girl
>> posing as a boy with gender confusion as mentioned by another crank
>> today?
>
> Unlike many cranks, you're indeed contributing
> to science here; I see.

You're so very astute! If you missed the point, this is a discussion
group for participants to talk about science, not a forum devoted to
the advancement of science which, if that had been the basis for
establishing the group, could only be considered a failure.

But taking you at your word that you misunderstood *why* we are all
here, I haven't seen any experimental results for original work from
you. Now that you've established the basis for your participation here,
let's see the results, at least an abstract describing your original
work and what effect that has on today's understanding of the
functioning of nature.

Don't have any to share?

Well then, STFU since you're not in compliance with your own stated goals.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 6 May 2022 20:13 UTC

On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 21:28:52 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/6/2022 9:57 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 16:08:59 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> >> On 5/6/2022 5:20 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>> whodat wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>>>> Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/3/2022 12:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/access-restrictions/
> >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> […] I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user
> >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>>> of theirs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
> >>>>> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
> >>>>> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
> >>>>> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing
> >>>>> a complaint would expect as a response.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you, or is anyone else, certain why AIOE did what they did? Have
> >>>> they told you why? Or is everyone making assumptions about their
> >>>> reasoning.
> >>>
> >>> Learn to read.
> >>>
> >>> *quadruple facepalm*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PointedEars
> >> Oh you're so cute with those antics! Are you sure you're not a girl
> >> posing as a boy with gender confusion as mentioned by another crank
> >> today?
> >
> > Unlike many cranks, you're indeed contributing
> > to science here; I see.
> You're so very astute! If you missed the point, this is a discussion
> group for participants to talk about science

Sure, sure, with a nice example above.

> work and what effect that has on today's understanding of the
> functioning of nature.
>
> Don't have any to share?

Yes. Nature is NOT functioning. If you weren't too
dumb for a simple dictionary maybe you could
notice it yourself. As for The Shit - it's main topic
is: coordinates (with time), clocks, observers; none
of them is even a part of nature, sorry.

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 by: Prokaryotic Capase H - Fri, 6 May 2022 21:24 UTC

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:18:29 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 8:30:07 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:30:34 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >
> > > > Yes, that's fine for the two body problem.
> > > ....which is fine for the exercise at hand. You do not need the extended
> > > solution.
> > >
> > You and Jan have different notions of what constitutes the
> > "exercise at hand".
> Not at all. I understand the whole situation from all viewpoints.
> Dono otoh is insisting that his extremely limited view
> is the only right way to talk abut it.
> > 1) At the level of absolute precision with which Jan writes, the
> > gravitational potential around the Earth is far from smoothly
> > symmetrical. Rather, it is extremely lumpy and constantly
> > changing in shape from internal changes in the Earth's
> > distribution of mass as well as from the influence of other
> > planets.
> Right.
> > 2) On the other hand, when discussing sensitivity of measurement,
> > say when calculating the difference in potential given a height
> > difference of several centimeters, these other influences make
> > hardly any difference at all, and the Schwarzschild solution
> > represents a perfectly good approximation.
> Right again. Scharwschildt's metric is an extreme idealisation.
> There is no black hole in the centre of the Earth,
> and there isn't one in the solar system either.
> The Scharwschild solution boils down to the Newtonian approximation,
> and nothing beyond that is measurable.
> > So you two are arguing at cross-purposes.
> I am not arguing. It is just Dono trying to pick a quarrel over nothing.
> (like always)
> > Both of you tend to go with your initial "take" on a problem and ignore
> > the fact that others may have a different "take" on the same problem.
> You are trying to see a symmetry where there is none.
> > I noticed this, for instance, when Jan and I were arguing on the utility
> > of millisecond pulsars as clocks.
> Who talked about utility? You perhaps.
>
> I was talking about (millisecond) pulsars
> as a fundamental problem in physics.
> In case you missed it, the problem is:
> is the time that is defined purely by inertia,
> originally the time defined by the rotation of the Earth,
> nowadays by the rotation of pulsars,
> the same time as the time defined by clocks.
> (originall pendulum clocks, nowadays atomic ones)
>
> The answer is still pending,

As I stated, you and I had, and continue to have,
different "takes" on what was the issue under
discussion. Your current response illustrates
my point precisely. Your aggressive insistence
that I was missing the point is matched by your
continued ignorance of the fact that I was not
arguing your point at all when I made my original
response to woz who was responding to Odd who
was responding to the OP. Your *only* post up to
that point on the "Clocks run at different rates..."
thread had been directly to the OP and was hence
on an *entirely different branch of the thread.*
Furthermore, your original response to the OP did
not deal at all with the "fundamental problem in
physics" that you claim was your motivation.

Basically, your entire argument was based on your
complete misunderstanding of the trivial point that
I was making to woz, that a pulsar cannot be used
as a timekeeper for local time.

You are trying to re-write history in your favor.

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Clutterfreak wrote:

> On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>> Any usenet provider that disables effective and easy kill-filing is a
>>> fraud designed to encourage spammers and psychos and other forms of
>>> unwanted traffic. Especially when they're also free!
>>
>> It is either that or utter incompetence. Because, following the latest
>> massive off-topic tirades and fake news from the ’nym-shifting troll in
>> .relativity, I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user
>> of theirs.
>>
>> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
>> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
>> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
>> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing
>> a complaint would expect as a response.
>>
>> *triple facepalm*
>
> I don't think you understood my point.

I don’t think you understood mine, and I think you have a few misconceptions
about how Usenet works.
> 2nd (and last) try. Usenet generally works only with effective
> kill-filing.

Not true. At least that is not how it should be. Netiquette has been
established in the first place to encourage proper conduct. When that
fails, Followup-To garbage groups (like alt.1d), scorefiles and killfiles
come in. And when that fails, abuse complaints are in order.

> It is neither the provider's nor your business to ban or
> complain about some nutcase who happens to post to your forum.

This is not the Web. There are no centralized "forums" where one provider
is running a forum. There are newsgroups that are distributed between news
servers, and each provider decides which newsgroups to copy (put simply)
onto their server and thereby make available to their users.

And it is indeed the Usenet provider’s duty to prevent people from abusing
their service. It is usually written in their Acceptable Use Policy, to
which the user agreed, and a responsible provider would act upon violations.

> Cause you should be able to kill-file such nutcases.

Killfiles are a personal choice. Preventing users from abusing the service,
e.g. committing *crimes* and spreading misinformation, is not.

The purpose of scorefiles/killfiles is NOT to prevent abuse of service, as
other people who have different entries in their scorefile/killfile or are
not using a killfile at all, will still see the offending messages. The
purpose is to prevent one from having to read/download messages that one
*personally* finds useless or offensive.

> But some providers do not furnish the messages that you receive with
> headers that contain unique identifiers for the culprit's _account_ that
> he has with the provider. So the nutcases keep changing their aliases
> and reappear on your screen just like before using the same account.

There is no requirement to do that nor has there ever been.

PointedEars
--
Q: Where are offenders sentenced for light crimes?
A: To a prism.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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 by: whodat - Fri, 6 May 2022 23:41 UTC

On 5/6/2022 3:13 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

>> Don't have any to share?

> Yes. Nature is NOT functioning. If you weren't too
> dumb for a simple dictionary maybe you could
> notice it yourself. As for The Shit - it's main topic
> is: coordinates (with time), clocks, observers; none
> of them is even a part of nature, sorry.

Nature does include functioning.

Try this:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nature

"nature noun

Definition of nature

1 : the external world in its entirety"

There are additional entries as well, but functioning is
not excluded.

Dictionary disputes are, praise the lord, infrequent among the better
educated and more intelligent participants in Usenet.

If merriam-webster doesn't suit you, refer to

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/nature

with an entry for "nature" that is, if anything, even more inclusive.

Hope this helps.

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 by: Richard Hertz - Fri, 6 May 2022 23:57 UTC

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:41:27 PM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
> On 5/6/2022 3:13 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> >> Don't have any to share?
>
> > Yes. Nature is NOT functioning. If you weren't too
> > dumb for a simple dictionary maybe you could
> > notice it yourself. As for The Shit - it's main topic
> > is: coordinates (with time), clocks, observers; none
> > of them is even a part of nature, sorry.
> Nature does include functioning.
>
> Try this:
>
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nature
>
> "nature noun
>
> Definition of nature
>
> 1 : the external world in its entirety"
>
> There are additional entries as well, but functioning is
> not excluded.
>
> Dictionary disputes are, praise the lord, infrequent among the better
> educated and more intelligent participants in Usenet.
>
> If merriam-webster doesn't suit you, refer to
>
> https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/nature
>
> with an entry for "nature" that is, if anything, even more inclusive.
>
> Hope this helps.

physics
noun
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition..

1. The study of the natural or material world and phenomena; natural philosophy.

2. The science of matter and energy and of interactions between the two, grouped in traditional fields such as acoustics, optics, mechanics, thermodynamics, and electromagnetism, as well as in modern extensions including atomic and nuclear physics, cryogenics, solid-state physics, particle physics, and plasma physics.

3. Physical properties, interactions, processes, or laws.

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:18:29 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Scharwschildt's metric is an extreme idealisation.
> There is no black hole in the centre of the Earth,
> and there isn't one in the solar system either.

Birkhoff's theorem assures that any spherically symmetrical solution
(vacuum) is a part of the Schwarzschild solution, regardless of
whether there is a black hole at the center. Of course,
there are many idealizations, such as non-rotating, no charge,
perfectly spherical, etc., but those are not related to whether there
is a black hole.

> The Scharwschild solution boils down to the Newtonian approximation,

No, not at all. And it is spelled Schwarzschild.

> and nothing beyond that is measurable.

Huh?

> In case you missed it, the problem is:
> is the time that is defined purely by inertia,
> nowadays by the rotation of pulsars,
> the same time as the time defined by clocks.
> The answer is still pending,

Huh? That is only "pending" to the extent that local Lorentz
invariance is "pending".

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-7, Stan Fultoni wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:18:29 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Scharwschildt's metric is an extreme idealisation.
> > There is no black hole in the centre of the Earth,
> > and there isn't one in the solar system either.
> Birkhoff's theorem assures that any spherically symmetrical solution
> (vacuum) is a part of the Schwarzschild solution, regardless of
> whether there is a black hole at the center. Of course,
> there are many idealizations, such as non-rotating, no charge,
> perfectly spherical, etc., but those are not related to whether there
> is a black hole.
> > The Scharwschild solution boils down to the Newtonian approximation,
> No, not at all. And it is spelled Schwarzschild.
> > and nothing beyond that is measurable.
> Huh?
> > In case you missed it, the problem is:
> > is the time that is defined purely by inertia,
> > nowadays by the rotation of pulsars,
> > the same time as the time defined by clocks.
> > The answer is still pending,
> Huh? That is only "pending" to the extent that local Lorentz
> invariance is "pending".

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 5:05:59 PM UTC-7, Stan Fultoni wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:18:29 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Scharwschildt's metric is an extreme idealisation.
> > There is no black hole in the centre of the Earth,
> > and there isn't one in the solar system either.
> Birkhoff's theorem assures that any spherically symmetrical solution
> (vacuum) is a part of the Schwarzschild solution, regardless of
> whether there is a black hole at the center. Of course,
> there are many idealizations, such as non-rotating, no charge,
> perfectly spherical, etc., but those are not related to whether there
> is a black hole.
> > The Scharwschild solution boils down to the Newtonian approximation,
> No, not at all. And it is spelled Schwarzschild.
> > and nothing beyond that is measurable.
> Huh?
> > In case you missed it, the problem is:
> > is the time that is defined purely by inertia,
> > nowadays by the rotation of pulsars,
> > the same time as the time defined by clocks.
> > The answer is still pending,
> Huh? That is only "pending" to the extent that local Lorentz
> invariance is "pending".

Could someone please comment on Earnshaw's theorem? It appears to destroy the ionic bond.

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On 5/6/2022 6:16 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>
>> On 5/5/2022 5:02 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>> Any usenet provider that disables effective and easy kill-filing is a
>>>> fraud designed to encourage spammers and psychos and other forms of
>>>> unwanted traffic. Especially when they're also free!
>>>
>>> It is either that or utter incompetence. Because, following the latest
>>> massive off-topic tirades and fake news from the ’nym-shifting troll in
>>> .relativity, I had sent them a detailed abuse complaint about *that* user
>>> of theirs.
>>>
>>> And this appears to be their reaction (maybe I was not the only one who
>>> complained): Instead of suspending or canceling the account of the troll,
>>> they now prevent participation of *all* their users in this group
>>> altogether. Certainly not what I wanted or any reasonable person filing
>>> a complaint would expect as a response.
>>>
>>> *triple facepalm*
>>
>> I don't think you understood my point.
>
> I don’t think you understood mine, and I think you have a few misconceptions
> about how Usenet works.
>
>> 2nd (and last) try. Usenet generally works only with effective
>> kill-filing.
>
> Not true. At least that is not how it should be. Netiquette has been
> established in the first place to encourage proper conduct. When that
> fails, Followup-To garbage groups (like alt.1d), scorefiles and killfiles
> come in. And when that fails, abuse complaints are in order.
>
>> It is neither the provider's nor your business to ban or
>> complain about some nutcase who happens to post to your forum.
>
> This is not the Web. There are no centralized "forums" where one provider
> is running a forum. There are newsgroups that are distributed between news
> servers, and each provider decides which newsgroups to copy (put simply)
> onto their server and thereby make available to their users.
>
> And it is indeed the Usenet provider’s duty to prevent people from abusing
> their service. It is usually written in their Acceptable Use Policy, to
> which the user agreed, and a responsible provider would act upon violations.
>
>> Cause you should be able to kill-file such nutcases.
>
> Killfiles are a personal choice. Preventing users from abusing the service,
> e.g. committing *crimes* and spreading misinformation, is not.
>
> The purpose of scorefiles/killfiles is NOT to prevent abuse of service, as
> other people who have different entries in their scorefile/killfile or are
> not using a killfile at all, will still see the offending messages. The
> purpose is to prevent one from having to read/download messages that one
> *personally* finds useless or offensive.
>
>> But some providers do not furnish the messages that you receive with
>> headers that contain unique identifiers for the culprit's _account_ that
>> he has with the provider. So the nutcases keep changing their aliases
>> and reappear on your screen just like before using the same account.
>
> There is no requirement to do that nor has there ever been.
>
>
> PointedEars

Gotcha!.. Another nutcase.

Hehe :)

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