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 by: Richard Hertz - Mon, 9 May 2022 04:15 UTC

I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
Law take over.

Can any relativist here answer such simple question?

As I know, space bending due to massive celestial objects vanish with
distance up to a point that GR turns entirely into a newtonian form, by design.

I bet that's Earth. Or it's the main asteroid belt?

Or it NEVER was able to explain how come an elliptic orbit exist.

Schwarzschild's theory can show the cross-over between both theories?

Dono?

REPOST FROM AN OLDER POST ********************************

Titius pointed out that the mean distance d in astronomical units (AU) from
the Sun to each of the six known planets was approximated by the equation

d = 0.4 + 0.3 (2ᴷ), where K = −∞, 0, 1, 2, 4, 5

This empirical law is valid nowadays up to Neptune, as this table shows:

Planet................ K............. Axis (AU)................Titius–BodeLaw (AU)
Mercury ............−∞ .............0.39 ........................0.4
Venus .................0 ..............0.72 .......................0.7
Earth ...................1 ..............1.00...................... 1.0
Mars................... 2.............. 1.52...................... 1.6
? ..........................3
Jupiter ................4 ..............5.20 ......................5.2
Saturn .................5 ..............9.54 .....................10.0
Uranus ................6 ............19.18 .....................19.6
Neptune ..............7............ 30.06 .....................38.8

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On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 06:15:47 UTC+2, Richard Hertz wrote:
> I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> Law take over.

Even relativists are not stupid enough to
support this curved space idiocy seriously.
The models they really use are - good, old
Euclidean geometry. Of course.

Imbecile Dick Hertz is having wet dreams

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On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 9:15:47 PM UTC-7, crank Richard Hertz had a recurring wet dream:
> I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail

You are having your wet dreams again, GR NEVER fails

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:11 UTC

On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 06:47:09 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 9:15:47 PM UTC-7, crank Richard Hertz had a recurring wet dream:
> > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail
> You are having your wet dreams again, GR NEVER fails

You're having your wet dreams again. In the
meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
by your insane Shit GPS and TAI keep measuring
t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 1:40:42 AM UTC-3, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 06:15:47 UTC+2, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > Law take over.
> Even relativists are not stupid enough to
> support this curved space idiocy seriously.
> The models they really use are - good, old
> Euclidean geometry. Of course.

Explain Pluto's orbital path, cretin.

Is it that the concave roulette that symbolize your stupid spacetime is tilted AFTER Neptune?

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On 5/8/2022 11:15 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> Law take over.

<snip>

Give some consideration to the possibility that all of space is curved.

How would you know?

This isn't a premise from me, simply something to think about.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 9 May 2022 05:50 UTC

On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 07:39:57 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/8/2022 11:15 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > Law take over.
> <snip>
>
> Give some consideration to the possibility that all of space is curved.
>
> How would you know?

Well, how? If you're a follower of an insane cult, it's enough that
an idiot guru has postulated; sane people prefer the postulates
of basic mathematics created by sane Euclid, however.
And, as the matter of fact, even idiots like you are choosing
them when outside of the church.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:39:57 AM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
> On 5/8/2022 11:15 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > Law take over.
> <snip>
>
> Give some consideration to the possibility that all of space is curved.
>
> How would you know?
>
> This isn't a premise from me, simply something to think about.

Read GR main premises about the compromise between Ricci-Civita-Grossman curved spacetime and Newton's euclidean space.

It was clearly stated by Einstein in his two last 1915 papers, in particular the one about Mercury's problem.

GR curved spacetime vanishes at "enough" distance of massive celestial bodies, and become fully newtonian.

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On 2022-05-09 04:15:46 +0000, Richard Hertz said:

> I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> Law take over.

GR is valid at all distances.

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On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 08:56:13 UTC+2, Mikko wrote:
> On 2022-05-09 04:15:46 +0000, Richard Hertz said:
>
> > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > Law take over.
> GR is valid at all distances.

In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden
by your insane Shit GPS and TAI keep measuring
t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.

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 by: Sylvia Else - Mon, 9 May 2022 08:49 UTC

On 09-May-22 2:15 pm, Richard Hertz wrote:
> I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> Law take over.
>

There is no such distance. Instead, with increasing distance the
difference between the predictions of general relativity and Newtonian
mechanics become smaller and smaller, and eventually the point is
reached where even the most sensitive experiments cannot distinguish
between the two.

Sylvia.

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On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 10:49:15 UTC+2, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 09-May-22 2:15 pm, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > Law take over.
> >
> There is no such distance. Instead, with increasing distance the
> difference between the predictions of general relativity and Newtonian
> mechanics

Newtonian _mechanics_ is predicting nothing here.

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Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> Law take over.
>
> Can any relativist here answer such simple question?

Of course. The answer is that it depends entirely
on the accuracy to which you calculate things.
With present-day accuracy of meters in the AU
everything you calculate needs relativistic corrections,

Jan

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On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 13:10:14 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > Law take over.
> >
> > Can any relativist here answer such simple question?
> Of course. The answer is that it depends entirely
> on the accuracy to which you calculate things.
> With present-day accuracy of meters in the AU
> everything you calculate needs relativistic corrections,

"Relativistic" corrections announced wrong
and forbidden by your insane religion, of
course.

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 by: whodat - Mon, 9 May 2022 11:54 UTC

On 5/9/2022 1:03 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:39:57 AM UTC-3, whodat wrote:
>> On 5/8/2022 11:15 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>> I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
>>> Law take over.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Give some consideration to the possibility that all of space is curved.
>>
>> How would you know?
>>
>> This isn't a premise from me, simply something to think about.
>
> Read GR main premises about the compromise between Ricci-Civita-Grossman curved spacetime and Newton's euclidean space.
>
> It was clearly stated by Einstein in his two last 1915 papers, in particular the one about Mercury's problem.
>
> GR curved spacetime vanishes at "enough" distance of massive celestial bodies, and become fully newtonian.

Other han an appeal to authority (see fallacies) how would you know
that's true? What's the test?

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On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 13:54:56 UTC+2, whodat wrote:

> > GR curved spacetime vanishes at "enough" distance of massive celestial bodies, and become fully newtonian.
> Other han an appeal to authority (see fallacies) how would you know
> that's true? What's the test?

There is no, poor halfbrain. While the whole "falsification"
crap is just some crap - even the most mad of your gurus
never pretended they have falsified Euclidean geometry.

You only believe EG is not valid (let's say it straight - false)
because your authority has announced so. See fallacies.

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Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 13:10:14 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > > Law take over.
> > >
> > > Can any relativist here answer such simple question?
> > Of course. The answer is that it depends entirely
> > on the accuracy to which you calculate things.
> > With present-day accuracy of meters in the AU
> > everything you calculate needs relativistic corrections,
>
> "Relativistic" corrections announced wrong
> and forbidden by your insane religion, of
> course.

Of course not. Einstein himself calculated the precession of Mercury
as a relativistic correction to the Newtonian motion,

Jan

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From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 9 May 2022 12:40 UTC

On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 14:29:13 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 13:10:14 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > > > Law take over.
> > > >
> > > > Can any relativist here answer such simple question?
> > > Of course. The answer is that it depends entirely
> > > on the accuracy to which you calculate things.
> > > With present-day accuracy of meters in the AU
> > > everything you calculate needs relativistic corrections,
> >
> > "Relativistic" corrections announced wrong
> > and forbidden by your insane religion, of
> > course.
> Of course not. Einstein himself calculated the precession of Mercury
> as a relativistic correction to the Newtonian motion,

:) Of course yes. Einstein himself was violating his
idiotic rules and calculated it in Euclidean space
he has theoretically banned; samely as his idiot
minions are doing now.

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Subject: Re: In the Solar System, at which radius GR gives its place to
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From: maluwozn...@gmail.com (Maciej Wozniak)
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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 9 May 2022 12:51 UTC

On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 14:40:49 UTC+2, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 14:29:13 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, 9 May 2022 at 13:10:14 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I wonder at which distance from the Sun GR curving space fail and Newton's
> > > > > Law take over.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can any relativist here answer such simple question?
> > > > Of course. The answer is that it depends entirely
> > > > on the accuracy to which you calculate things.
> > > > With present-day accuracy of meters in the AU
> > > > everything you calculate needs relativistic corrections,
> > >
> > > "Relativistic" corrections announced wrong
> > > and forbidden by your insane religion, of
> > > course.
> > Of course not. Einstein himself calculated the precession of Mercury
> > as a relativistic correction to the Newtonian motion,
> :) Of course yes. Einstein himself was violating his
> idiotic rules and calculated it in Euclidean space
> he has theoretically banned; samely as his idiot
> minions are doing now.

And, needless to say, he didn't create different
solutions for differents observers depending on
their latitude and alitude. Or did he?

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 by: Richard Hertz - Mon, 9 May 2022 14:50 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:40:49 AM UTC-3, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> > Of course not. Einstein himself calculated the precession of Mercury
> > as a relativistic correction to the Newtonian motion,

> :) Of course yes. Einstein himself was violating his
> idiotic rules and calculated it in Euclidean space
> he has theoretically banned; samely as his idiot
> minions are doing now.

And we have a winner: Maciej!

Einstein NEVER used the space bending fantasy on his Nov. 18, 1915 paper, ignorants!

He developed 70% of that paper using the known newtonian expression for calculations, as it was used for more than 100 years,
K + U = E (E < 0). The gravitational potential he used was:

U = GMm/r

But, in order to obtain the cubic polynomial that introduced the "relativistic correction", he used the equation 7c to
modify the gravitational potential, adding a term that depended on the inverse quadratic distance to the Sun, as it
can be seen in the following expression (with FULL physical parameters, not geometrical):

U = GMm/r [1 + B²/(m²c²r²)] = 1/2 α m/r [1 + B²/(m²c²r²)]

Then, he continued by replacing the above term on the newtonian polynomial for elliptic orbits.

He NEVER meant to use anything like CURVED SPACE in that paper.

Schwarzschild derived THE SAME EXPRESSION on his 1915 paper, when applying his metric to the problem.

You, relativistic fanatics, NEED TO LEARN GR from his original source, instead of INVENTING your own narrative.

The additional term B²/(m²c²r²) is almost INSIGNIFICANT, compared to ONE, beyond Venus.

Well done, Maciej.

Supreme crank Richard Hertz sucks up to felolow crank Maciej Wozniak

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Subject: Supreme crank Richard Hertz sucks up to felolow crank Maciej Wozniak
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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:50:28 AM UTC-7, crank Richard Hertz sucked up to fellow crank Maciej Wozniak:
<snip idiocies posted multiple times before by uber crank Richard Hertz>
> Well done, Maciej.

Kooks unite!

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 by: Richard Hertz - Mon, 9 May 2022 16:16 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:56:36 AM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:50:28 AM UTC-7, crank Richard Hertz sucked up to fellow crank Maciej Wozniak:
> <snip idiocies posted multiple times before by uber crank Richard Hertz>
> > Well done, Maciej.
>
> Kooks unite!

Dono the ignorant, physicist wannabe, but only an EE who designed graphic cards using germanium diodes and transistors.

Your time has passed, imbecile.

Not good at electronics nor at relativity.

You are left only with hate and insults, because your fucking GR doesn't work anywhere, imbecile.

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 by: Dono. - Mon, 9 May 2022 17:27 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:16:42 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:56:36 AM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:50:28 AM UTC-7, crank Richard Hertz sucked up to fellow crank Maciej Wozniak:
> > <snip idiocies posted multiple times before by uber crank Richard Hertz>
> > > Well done, Maciej.
> >
> > Kooks unite!

<snip frothing at the mouth>

i>The imbecile.

Nice signature, Dick. Very appropriate.

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whodat wrote:

> On 5/9/2022 1:03 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> It was clearly stated by Einstein in his two last 1915 papers, in
>> particular the one about Mercury's problem.
>>
>> GR curved spacetime vanishes at "enough" distance of massive celestial
>> bodies, and become fully newtonian.
>
> Other han an appeal to authority (see fallacies) how would you know
> that's true? What's the test?

This is just plain false. A flat spacetime is still a spacetime, so NOT
Newtonian.

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Re: In the Solar System, at which radius GR gives its place to Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation?

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 by: Richard Hertz - Tue, 10 May 2022 16:38 UTC

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 12:39:12 PM UTC-3, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>
> > On 5/9/2022 1:03 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >> It was clearly stated by Einstein in his two last 1915 papers, in
> >> particular the one about Mercury's problem.
> >>
> >> GR curved spacetime vanishes at "enough" distance of massive celestial
> >> bodies, and become fully newtonian.
> >
> > Other han an appeal to authority (see fallacies) how would you know
> > that's true? What's the test?
> This is just plain false. A flat spacetime is still a spacetime, so NOT
> Newtonian.
>
>
> PointedEars
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On the debut of GR, with Einstein's Nov.18, 1915 paper (Mercury's problem), Einstein didn't use spacetime because he
resigned to use time. So, the entire paper (study it carefully) is based on the premise that t'=t and that GR equations for
void space would only account for a modification of newtonian gravitational potential with the addition of an extra term
(Eq. 7c, which I wrote several posts above).

But, to reach that point, Einstein used almost 2/3 of the infamous paper using newtonian equations for elliptic orbits.

Once he secured such equation (by twisting and misusing his own GR equations), ONLY THEN he replaced newtonian
grav. potential by adding an aditional term to get the cubic polynomial.

In no case, spacetime had a place in the development, because he abandoned the use of time and used the equations
for AN ENTIRE REVOLUTION of Mercury, which left time outside the equation.

Plus, no trace of space being bent by Sun's mass was present or even mentioned.

Study the seminal paper, buried into history wasteland by the impact of Schwarzschild's "exact analytical solution" JUST ONE MONTH
AFTER his Nov 1915 presentation.

So, no spacetime used and no space being bent by Sun's mass.

Just a funny extra term: U = GMm/r [1 + B²/(m²c²r²)] , instead of U = GMm/r.
NOTE: I present here the equation with physical units, instead of the geometrical units used in the paper.

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