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Galilean Relativity is a text book example of a logically coherent piece of mathematics and physical science. Let's take a look at the Galilean Transformations

x' = x - vt (1)
t = t' (2)

from which we derive

x = x' + vt' (3)
or
x = x' + vt (4) because t = t'

We now prove the logical coherence of the Galilean transforms by showing that the magnitudes of the v in eqn 3 and eqn 4 are identical. Spoiler alert--this will not be the case for the Lorentz Transformations.

Step One: Let's assume the v's in eqn's 1 and 3 are different. Let's call them v and v' respectively. We now rewrite eqns 1 and 3 as

x' = x - vt (5)
x = x' + v't (6)

Step Two: Solve for v

v = [ -x' + x ]/t (7)

Step Three: Solve for v'

v' = [ x - x' ]/t (8)

v' = -v

Step Four: acknowledge that ||v|| = ||-v|| therefore there is nothing ambivalent or equivocal about v in the Galilean Transformations. Observers in either frame acknowledge the equivalence of the magnitude of v. Easy peasy.

Stay tuned for Part Two....

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 by: Dono. - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:09 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, cretin pat dolan wrote:
We now rewrite eqns 1 and 3 as
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> x' = x - vt (5)
> x = x' + v't (6)
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> Step Two: Solve for v
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> v = [ -x' + x ]/t (7)
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Err, you are a cretin, Pattycakes. You are unable to do basic algebra. You and Dick Hertz are at the most entertaining point when you make a run at math. Both of you fail. Miserably.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, cretin pat dolan wrote:
> We now rewrite eqns 1 and 3 as
> >
> > x' = x - vt (5)
> > x = x' + v't (6)
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> > Step Two: Solve for v
> >
> > v = [ -x' + x ]/t (7)
> >
> Err, you are a cretin, Pattycakes. You are unable to do basic algebra. You and Dick Hertz are at the most entertaining point when you make a run at math. Both of you fail. Miserably.
Show this forum where!

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 by: Dono. - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:30 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:13:36 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, cretin pat dolan wrote:
> > We now rewrite eqns 1 and 3 as
> > >
> > > x' = x - vt (5)
> > > x = x' + v't (6)
> > >
> > > Step Two: Solve for v
> > >
> > > v = [ -x' + x ]/t (7)
> > >
> > Err, you are a cretin, Pattycakes. You are unable to do basic algebra. You and Dick Hertz are at the most entertaining point when you make a run at math. Both of you fail. Miserably.
> Show this forum where!

Your [7] is where your imbecility shows.

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 by: patdolan - Mon, 9 May 2022 18:31 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:13:36 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, cretin pat dolan wrote:
> > > We now rewrite eqns 1 and 3 as
> > > >
> > > > x' = x - vt (5)
> > > > x = x' + v't (6)
> > > >
> > > > Step Two: Solve for v
> > > >
> > > > v = [ -x' + x ]/t (7)
> > > >
> > > Err, you are a cretin, Pattycakes. You are unable to do basic algebra. You and Dick Hertz are at the most entertaining point when you make a run at math. Both of you fail. Miserably.
> > Show this forum where!
> Your [7] is where your imbecility shows.

Wrong! It's a perfect equation.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 3:09:46 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:

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> Err, you are a cretin, Pattycakes. You are unable to do basic algebra. You and Dick Hertz are at the most entertaining point when you make a run at math. Both of you fail. Miserably.

Dono, I mean Adrian, you still are the laughing stock at Researchgate. And 10 years have passed.

Try to publish something at Lithuania or at the romanian high school for electricity technicians, asshole.

Or you can try to make a second try at a kid's magazine at Canada.

Decrepit old fart. Your brain is fogged and you are only left with hate, resentment and the compulsion to eat shit (family legacy).

You couldn't even use properly Mathematica SW years ago, and everybody laughed at you. So you had to stop pretending.

Your fails are stored here and will remain forever, for your eternal shame.

It only takes to search "Dono Mathematica" on this site, fucking genetic garbage.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:31:03 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:13:36 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, cretin pat dolan wrote:
> > > > We now rewrite eqns 1 and 3 as
> > > > >
> > > > > x' = x - vt (5)
> > > > > x = x' + v't (6)
> > > > >
> > > > > Step Two: Solve for v
> > > > >
> > > > > v = [ -x' + x ]/t (7)
> > > > >
> > > > Err, you are a cretin, Pattycakes. You are unable to do basic algebra. You and Dick Hertz are at the most entertaining point when you make a run at math. Both of you fail. Miserably.
> > > Show this forum where!
> > Your [7] is where your imbecility shows.
> Wrong! It's a perfect equation.

Yep, for you and Dick Hertz :-)

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-7, crank Richard Hertz frothed at the mouth:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 3:09:46 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
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> <snip>
> > Err, you are a cretin, Pattycakes. You are unable to do basic algebra. You and Dick Hertz are at the most entertaining point when you make a run at math. Both of you fail. Miserably.

<snip mouth frothing>
> The fucking genetic garbage.

Good signature, Dick. Describes you perfectly.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:02:26 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
> Galilean Relativity is a text book example of a logically coherent piece of mathematics and physical science. Let's take a look at the Galilean Transformations
>
> x' = x - vt (1)
> t = t' (2)
>
> from which we derive
>
> x = x' + vt' (3)
> or
> x = x' + vt (4) because t = t'
>
> We now prove the logical coherence of the Galilean transforms by showing that the magnitudes of the v in eqn 3
> and eqn 4 are identical.

You do not need to prove it since you have stated that the v's are the same already. It is axiomatic, DuH.
For instance, in x' = x - vt, it is (implicitly) declared that "v" is a constant. So what's your use at elsewhere, it's still the same value and of course the same magnitude, DuH.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:02:26 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
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> Step One: Let's assume the v's in eqn's 1 and 3 are different.

So you are directly contradicting one of your axioms. Of course then it will be shown that the above assumption leads to a contradiction, DuH!

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:02:26 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
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> > Step One: Let's assume the v's in eqn's 1 and 3 are different.
> So you are directly contradicting one of your axioms. Of course then it will be shown that the above assumption leads to a contradiction, DuH!

rotchm, keeping in mind that you are operating out of your depth, I will try to explain things to you.

A healthy deductive system of thought--its axioms and rule of inference--should be internally consistent and should not lead to contradiction, incoherence and antinomy. And that is exactly what I have done in the case of Galilean Relativity. I have proved beyond doubt that ||v|| = ||-v|| for each observer and thus that each observer agrees that the magnitude of the relative velocity between them is in fact v. Each observer can calculate this value from his own and the other's FoR. This is not trivial. Take integer arithmetic for instance. It is demonstrably inconsistent. It is inconsistent because two of its axioms are inconsistent. It postulates al-Samaw'al multiplication while at the same time postulating a square root of negative one. The author has already demonstrated in another place how this leads to inconsistency and deductive explosion.

So testing axioms is essential if there is to be confidence in the theorems they generate. That's what we are doing here, rotchm. Do you comprehend this? I pause and await your response.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:33:10 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:

> A healthy deductive system of thought--its axioms and rule of inference--should be internally
> consistent and should not lead to contradiction, incoherence and antinomy..

Correct.

> And that is exactly what I have done in the case of Galilean Relativity.

Nope; You were redundant in your "proof". That is what I am saying.

Your proof relied on x' = x - vt [1] becomes x = x' + vt [2] by the algebra. The "v" in there does not change since its a constant (by axiom). Its the same "v". There is no need to change [2] to [1] back to [2] back to [1] then back to [2] and then declare that they are the same v. This is essentially what you did. You could have saved all those steps and just do it in one line: [1] becomes [2] by the axiom (algebra).

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> v = [ -x' + x ]/t ..... (7)
> v' = [ x - x' ]/t .... (8)
> v' = -v

Nope.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:39:07 PM UTC-7, Stan Fultoni wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > v = [ -x' + x ]/t ..... (7)
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>
> Nope.
Huh? "Nope" That's all ya got, Stan? C'mon, Stan. Try, even a little bit. What's "Yup" in your opinion?

Maybe you don't understand my substitution v' for v. Is that it? Is that what has stumped Stan?

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:39:07 PM UTC-4, Stan Fultoni wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
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>
> Nope.

Du to your "nope", I went to see what he did (his steps).
Good catch! Indeed, his implication v' = -v is wrong.
As his "axiom", he should have implied v' = v.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:33:38 PM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:33:10 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
>
> > A healthy deductive system of thought--its axioms and rule of inference--should be internally
> > consistent and should not lead to contradiction, incoherence and antinomy.
> Correct.
> > And that is exactly what I have done in the case of Galilean Relativity..
> Nope; You were redundant in your "proof". That is what I am saying.
>
> Your proof relied on x' = x - vt [1] becomes x = x' + vt [2] by the algebra. The "v" in there does not change since its a constant (by axiom). Its the same "v". There is no need to change [2] to [1] back to [2] back to [1] then back to [2] and then declare that they are the same v. This is essentially what you did. You could have saved all those steps and just do it in one line: [1] becomes [2] by the axiom (algebra).

rotchm, we are talking past each other. You are too unsophisticated to understand the (meta) level at which I am operating. I would rather not waste anymore time on you in this regard. Let's discuss the picture of your right bicep instead. Man is it tiny! I always thought you typed light a wuss. Dono published a picture of you a while back. You kind'a looked like a wuss also. You're from Montreal, yet I'll bet you never played hockey. Am I right?

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:39:07 PM UTC-4, Stan Fultoni wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > v = [ -x' + x ]/t ..... (7)
> > > v' = [ x - x' ]/t .... (8)
> > > v' = -v
> >
> > Nope.
> Du to your "nope", I went to see what he did (his steps).
> Good catch! Indeed, his implication v' = -v is wrong.
> As his "axiom", he should have implied v' = v.

I agree to this correction.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:57:58 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:

> rotchm, we are talking past each other. You are too unsophisticated to understand the (meta) level at which I am operating.

On the contrary. It is you that does not see it from my (much higher) level.

Let's discuss the picture of your right bicep instead.

Indeed they are huge, but off topic.

> I'll bet you never played hockey. Am I right?

Wrong, and off topic. Try to focus...else you will err again as you erred in your OP.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:58:41 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 6:54:36 PM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:39:07 PM UTC-4, Stan Fultoni wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:02:26 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > v = [ -x' + x ]/t ..... (7)
> > > > v' = [ x - x' ]/t .... (8)
> > > > v' = -v
> > >
> > > Nope.
> > Du to your "nope", I went to see what he did (his steps).
> > Good catch! Indeed, his implication v' = -v is wrong.
> > As his "axiom", he should have implied v' = v.
> I agree to this correction.

rotchm's conclusion:
It has been demonstrated that the v used in the S frame is indeed identical to the v used in the S' frame of the Galilean Transforms.

Question to rotchm:
Can it be demonstrated with equal certainty that the v in the S frame of the Lorentz transformation is identical to the v in the S' frame of the Lorentz transformation? If so, how?

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:18:35 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
>
> It has been demonstrated that the v used in the S frame is indeed identical to the v used in the S' frame
> of the Galilean Transforms.
>
> Question to rotchm:
> Can it be demonstrated with equal certainty that the v in the S frame of the Lorentz transformation is identical to
> the v in the S' frame of the Lorentz transformation?

Yes.

> If so, how?

To be clear, you are asking to show that from x' = (x-vt)g & t' = (t-xv/c²)g we can get x = (x'+vt')g ?

Cretin Pat Dolan keeps trolling

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:18:35 PM UTC-7, cretin pat dolan wrote:

> Can it be demonstrated with equal certainty that the v in the S frame of the Lorentz transformation is identical to the v in the S' frame of the Lorentz transformation?

Yes.

>If so, how?

I showed you how, some time ago. You are too imbecile to understand and you are trolling asking the same questions over again. You have no intent to learn, you cannot learn, you are a pathological imbecile. You were born this way, your only consolation is that you are dying this way.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:43:12 PM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:18:35 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
> >
> > It has been demonstrated that the v used in the S frame is indeed identical to the v used in the S' frame
> > of the Galilean Transforms.
> >
> > Question to rotchm:
> > Can it be demonstrated with equal certainty that the v in the S frame of the Lorentz transformation is identical to
> > the v in the S' frame of the Lorentz transformation?
> Yes.
>
> > If so, how?
>
> To be clear, you are asking to show that from x' = (x-vt)g & t' = (t-xv/c²)g we can get x = (x'+vt')g ?
No, rotchm. Just as in the Galilean case, we are going to assume that there is a v for frame S and another v' for frame S' that each observer O and O' must use when employing the LTs. Your mission is to prove that v = v' just as you did in the Galilean Transformation case.

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 by: patdolan - Tue, 10 May 2022 06:37 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:43:12 PM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:18:35 PM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
> >
> > It has been demonstrated that the v used in the S frame is indeed identical to the v used in the S' frame
> > of the Galilean Transforms.
> >
> > Question to rotchm:
> > Can it be demonstrated with equal certainty that the v in the S frame of the Lorentz transformation is identical to
> > the v in the S' frame of the Lorentz transformation?
> Yes.
>
> > If so, how?
>
> To be clear, you are asking to show that from x' = (x-vt)g & t' = (t-xv/c²)g we can get x = (x'+vt')g ?
What you have proposed here is the merest of child's play algebra. We are operating way above that level now.

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 by: rotchm - Tue, 10 May 2022 13:24 UTC

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 2:34:18 AM UTC-4, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 7:43:12 PM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:

> > To be clear, you are asking to show that from x' = (x-vt)g & t' = (t-xv/c²)g we can get x = (x'+vt')g ?
> No, rotchm. Just as in the Galilean case, we are going to assume that there is a v for frame S and
> another v' for frame S' that each observer O and O' must use when employing the LTs. Your
> mission is to prove that v = v' just as you did in the Galilean Transformation case.

That's the merest of child's play algebra.
Starting with v and v', or not using v' and just algebra, are equivalent. The "same thing".
In both cases, you are using the algebra to show that x = (x'+vt')g.

Galilean case:

x' = x - vt (1).
t = t' (2)

Put (2) in (1) to get
x' = x - vt' . Rearrange, giving,

x = x' + vt' . (3)
This is the form you wanted. Its the same "v" in (1)&(3). The magnitude of the coeff of t in (1)&(3) are the same.
No need to assume an extra v' . Just using the prescribed algebra sufficed.

Same idea can be applied to the LT's to get
x = (x'+vt')g

But if you want to show that you can prove it via a longer way, with mistakes and typo's, then go on...if it makes you happy.

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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 11:34:18 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> we are going to assume that there is a v for frame S and another v' for frame S' ...
> when employing the LTs. .. prove that v = v'

Your two assumptions are self-contradictory unless v=v'. In matrix notation you
are assuming the linear relationships X'=LX and X=L'X', and denying that L' = L^-1.

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