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SubjectAuthor
* A Theory of AllJulio Di Egidio
+* Re: A Theory of AllJ. J. Lodder
|+* Re: A Theory of AllClutterfreak
||`* Re: A Theory of AllThe Starmaker
|| `* Re: A Theory of AllClutterfreak
||  +* Re: A Theory of AllJ. J. Lodder
||  |`* Re: A Theory of AllClutterfreak
||  | `* Re: A Theory of AllJ. J. Lodder
||  |  `* Re: A Theory of AllThe Starmaker
||  |   `* Re: A Theory of AllJ. J. Lodder
||  |    `- Re: A Theory of AllThe Starmaker
||  `* Re: A Theory of AllThe Starmaker
||   `- Re: A Theory of AllClutterfreak
|`* Re: A Theory of AllClutterfreak
| `- Re: A Theory of AllJ. J. Lodder
+* Corrections of false assumptions (was: These assumptions cover a lot of ground.)Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
|+- Re: Empirically, you need eXergy to drive to the store.Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
|`- Re: Empirically, you need eXergy to drive to the store.Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
`- Re: These assumptions cover a lot of ground.patdolan

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 by: Julio Di Egidio - Mon, 16 May 2022 06:58 UTC

For the record.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: A Theory of All
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 08:52:34 +0200
From: Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name>
To: hees@itp.uni-frankfurt.de

Beginners questions and other bullshit all over the place, but Jacob
Barandes and foundations of physics is "overly speculative".

And I could even understand that, sort of: but that you don't allow me
to reply to Tom Roberts and his filth is simply unforgivable.

You are totally part of the problem and of no solution ever. Be ashamed
of yourselves, you fucking frauds and enemies of humanity.

Julio

On 14/05/2022 17:14, Hendrik van Hees wrote:
> Unfortunately your posting to sci.physics.research is not appropriate
> for the newsgroup, because it is not entirely clear what the statement
> is about and also seems to be overly speculative.
>
> Best regards,
> Hendrik van Hees.
> sci.physics.research co-moderator
>
> On 14/05/2022 15:57, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> This is a spin-off of a discussion in sci.logic.  The mathematical
>> details should mostly be immaterial here, I am going to discuss a
>> specific idea and line of reasoning.  Just one caution: I am not in
>> fact interested in the philosophy of physics, rather in
>> *foundations*, at which level I'd propose an "operational"
>> perspective might be all we need.
>>
>> ["Musatov's infinity", with minor amendments to the original:]
>>
>> On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 14:25:06 UTC+2, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>> > [...] And here I'd propose that, in a properly infinitary theory
>> > as  ours, there is a first "number" and that is omega, not zero.
>> > As the "fundamental leap" to even get started (indeed, universal
>> > quantifications "built-in").
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/sci.logic/c/BU608dm8t9o/m/BCzaSw06AgAJ>
>>
>> Now, thinking about "omega first" and what might change:
>>
>> Take this for example (from the "new-Platonic" approach):
>> << Given ontic random variables A and B, pA(a) and pB(b) may be
>> /incommensurable/, meaning there may not exist a physically accurate
>> joint probability distribution p(a,b) [...]  If no joint probability
>> distribution for A and B [exists], then A+B and AB are no longer
>> random variables! [...]  This is not about ontology, it's a matter of
>> epistemology! >>
>> <https://youtu.be/OmaSAG4J6nw?t=2205>
>>
>> But we could, and maybe should, given that a complex system is more
>> than the sum of its parts (!), reason in the opposite direction: a
>> system in a maximally entangled state simply has no parts.  Namely,
>> first the system, then the parts!
>>
>> That may be hard to reconcile with our common understanding because
>> the two electrons whose spin is in the singlet state can in fact be
>> taken apart and acted upon individually.  But of course a property is
>> not an object... rather and eventually (I think) the point is that
>> "non-locality" (in scare quotes as that itself may be upside down,
>> it's more "glocality", then possibly the subsumption of decoherence
>> and of the very inside/outside dialectic: and that's where I am not a
>> Platonist) has to be embraced at a fundamental level: together with
>> telepathy...
>>
>> A map is not the territory: unless the territory is the map. "On
>> outperforming meta-goedelization through short-circuiting
>> self-referentiality".  A *Theory of All* has no no-go theorems, and
>> that a "theory of everything" does not exist.
>>
>> Anyway, that is my line of research and still a work in progress:
>> comments, references, questions and corrections are very welcome.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Julio
>>
>> --
>> Julio P. Di Egidio
>> http://julio.diegidio.name
>
> --
> Hendrik van Hees
> Goethe University (Institute for Theoretical Physics)
> D-60438 Frankfurt am Main
> http://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Mon, 16 May 2022 08:23 UTC

Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> wrote:

> For the record.
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: A Theory of All
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 08:52:34 +0200
> From: Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name>
> To: hees@itp.uni-frankfurt.de
>
>
> Beginners questions and other bullshit all over the place, but Jacob
> Barandes and foundations of physics is "overly speculative".
>
> And I could even understand that, sort of: but that you don't allow me
> to reply to Tom Roberts and his filth is simply unforgivable.
>
> You are totally part of the problem and of no solution ever. Be ashamed
> of yourselves, you fucking frauds and enemies of humanity.
>
> Julio
>
>
> On 14/05/2022 17:14, Hendrik van Hees wrote:
> > Unfortunately your posting to sci.physics.research is not appropriate
> > for the newsgroup, because it is not entirely clear what the statement
> > is about and also seems to be overly speculative.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Hendrik van Hees.
> > sci.physics.research co-moderator

[snip 'not entirely clear' material]

Yes, this is precisely why sci.physics.research was set up.
It is also the reason why sci.physics.research
does not contain the morasses of junk that you find
in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity

The moderators are doing an excellent job,

Jan

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 by: Clutterfreak - Mon, 16 May 2022 19:01 UTC

On 5/16/2022 3:23 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Yes, this is precisely why sci.physics.research was set up.
> It is also the reason why sci.physics.research
> does not contain the morasses of junk that you find
> in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity
>
> The moderators are doing an excellent job,
>
> Jan

Ok Mom.

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 by: Clutterfreak - Mon, 16 May 2022 19:02 UTC

On 5/16/2022 11:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The only good moderator is a dead moderator.

:-))

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 by: The Starmaker - Mon, 16 May 2022 19:38 UTC

Clutterfreak wrote:
>
> On 5/16/2022 3:23 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Yes, this is precisely why sci.physics.research was set up.
> > It is also the reason why sci.physics.research
> > does not contain the morasses of junk that you find
> > in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity
> >
> > The moderators are doing an excellent job,
> >
> > Jan
>
> Ok Mom.

Is your Mom Hot?

>
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 by: Clutterfreak - Mon, 16 May 2022 20:18 UTC

On 5/16/2022 2:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 5/16/2022 3:23 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Yes, this is precisely why sci.physics.research was set up.
>>> It is also the reason why sci.physics.research
>>> does not contain the morasses of junk that you find
>>> in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity
>>>
>>> The moderators are doing an excellent job,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>
>> Ok Mom.
>
> Is your Mom Hot?
>
>
>

I don't know. I assume "Jan" is a female name, plus what she said sounds
American female way of reasoning to me. It's the first time I see her
post in this forum.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Mon, 16 May 2022 20:53 UTC

Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/16/2022 2:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> On 5/16/2022 3:23 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> Yes, this is precisely why sci.physics.research was set up.
> >>> It is also the reason why sci.physics.research
> >>> does not contain the morasses of junk that you find
> >>> in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity
> >>>
> >>> The moderators are doing an excellent job,
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>
> >> Ok Mom.
> >
> > Is your Mom Hot?
> >
> >
> >
>
> I don't know. I assume "Jan" is a female name, plus what she said sounds
> American female way of reasoning to me. It's the first time I see her
> post in this forum.

Sorry about not removing the cross posting,

Jan
(who avoids sci.physics)

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 by: The Starmaker - Mon, 16 May 2022 21:45 UTC

Clutterfreak wrote:
>
> On 5/16/2022 2:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> On 5/16/2022 3:23 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> Yes, this is precisely why sci.physics.research was set up.
> >>> It is also the reason why sci.physics.research
> >>> does not contain the morasses of junk that you find
> >>> in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity
> >>>
> >>> The moderators are doing an excellent job,
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>
> >> Ok Mom.
> >
> > Is your Mom Hot?
> >
> >
> >
>
> I don't know. I assume "Jan" is a female name, plus what she said sounds
> American female way of reasoning to me. It's the first time I see her
> post in this forum.

What's a female?

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 by: Clutterfreak - Mon, 16 May 2022 22:28 UTC

On 5/16/2022 3:53 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Jan
> (who avoids sci.physics)

Ahah.. you're familiar with sci.physics then.

How did you get so familiar without interacting with those who frequent
this forum? Did you, perhaps, did so under another alias?. Are you,
perhaps, doing it all the time under another alias? :)

Woman, if you were "familiar" with sci.physics you'd be reading my blogs
here day in and day out! You wouldn't leave me if I paid you.

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 by: Clutterfreak - Mon, 16 May 2022 22:34 UTC

On 5/16/2022 4:45 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 5/16/2022 2:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2022 3:23 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Yes, this is precisely why sci.physics.research was set up.
>>>>> It is also the reason why sci.physics.research
>>>>> does not contain the morasses of junk that you find
>>>>> in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity
>>>>>
>>>>> The moderators are doing an excellent job,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> Ok Mom.
>>>
>>> Is your Mom Hot?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't know. I assume "Jan" is a female name, plus what she said sounds
>> American female way of reasoning to me. It's the first time I see her
>> post in this forum.
>
>
>
> What's a female?
>
>
>

It's a question that made Turing develop his famous test.

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Mon, 16 May 2022 23:10 UTC

Dick's DriveIn wrote:

> "No Hidden Variables" ( Bell's Theorem ) willfully ignores:
> We don't know what we don't know.

You should watch <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqZHYo7ONs> (and the more
detailed video referred there) to educate yourself about what you are
talking about *before* you are talking about it.
> A better scientist _assumes_ that entropy has no limits, past or present.

One can *prove*, though, that the entropy of an isolated system with
irreversible processes approaches a maximum, and that in this state that
system is in thermal (and therefore thermodynamic) equilibrium:

Let an isolated system be divided into the parts A and B with total energies
E_A and E_B, respectively, so the total energy of the system is
E = E_A + E_B. Furthermore, the parts A and B shall have the fixed volumes
V_A and V_B, respectively, and contain the fixed numbers of particles N_A
and N_B, respectively. The parts are allowed to exchange energy with each
other, which means in this case that they are only allowed to exchange heat
(but not work or particles).

The number of states that section A can be in is given by the partition
function Ω_A(E_A, V_A, N_A) and the number of states that section B can be
in is given by the partition function Ω_B(E_B, V_B, N_B).

Then the maximum probability that the system assumes a state with a
particular energy is given by

P = Ω_A Ω_B/Ω,

where Ω is a measure of the number of all possible states of the system.
Then

ln P = ln(Ω_A Ω_B/Ω) = ln Ω_A + ln Ω_B − ln Ω
⇔ k ln P = k ln Ω_A + k ln Ω_B − k ln Ω
⇔ S = S_A + S_B − const.,

where k is the Boltzmann constant, S is the entropy of the system,
and S_A and S_B are the entropies in each part of the system, respectively.

The system reaches its maximum entropy, if that, if

∂S/∂E_A = 0 = ∂S_A/∂E_A + ∂S_B/∂E_A − 0
⇔ 0 = ∂S_A/∂E_A + ∂S_B/∂E_B ∂E_B/∂E_A
= ∂S_A/∂E_A + ∂S_B/∂E_B ∂(E − E_A)/∂E_A
= ∂S_A/∂E_A + ∂S_B/∂E_B (∂E/∂E_A − ∂E_A/∂E_A)
= ∂S_A/∂E_A + ∂S_B/∂E_B (0 − 1)
⇔ 0 = ∂S_A/∂E_A − ∂S_B/∂E_B
⇔ ∂S_A/∂E_A = ∂S_B/∂E_B. (1)

From the First Law of Thermodynamics (look up its derivation),

dE = δQ + δW + μ dN = T dS − p dV + μ dN,

for example, we have

(∂S/∂E)_{V,N} = 1/T,

so eq. (1) is equivalent to

1/T_A = 1/T_B
⇔ T_A = T_B. (thermal/thermodynamic equilibrium) ∎

And we know empirically that if we mix e.g. two substances with different
initial temperatures (say, icecubes in a drink), if we do not allow energy
flow out of or into the system, it will approach thermal equilibrium and
have a mixing temperature that is between the initial temperatures (e.g. the
ice cubes will melt, taking up heat from the beverage, and the beverage’s
temperature will be lower than before).

ISTM the proof above covers all bases. It shows:

1. The entropy of an isolated system with irreversible processes (such as
mixing substances) always increases (the natural logarithm is a
monotonically increasing function).

2. The entropy of an isolated system approaches a maximum.

3. When the isolated system has reached maximum entropy, it is in thermal
equilibrium.

> Hollywood, religions & governments make the _opposite_ assumption.

As you can see, it is not merely an assumption, but follows logically from
the definitions.
> Empirically, there's nothing "constant" about the Hubble constant.

Empirically we have no reasonable way of comparison to earlier times; in
Carl Sagan’s words (paraphrased): “Humanity occupies only the last second of
the last day of the cosmic calendar”. (Our universe is estimated to be
≈ 13.8 billion (10⁹) years old; we know of the expansion of our universe
since less than 100 years, which is ≈ 7 billionth of the estimated age of
our universe.)

However, deep-space observations (type-Ⅰa supernovae; see the Nobel Prize in
Physics 2011) which allow us to observe the universe as it was in the past,
strongly indicate that the Hubble parameter is not constant, but
asymptotically decreasing with time (which means that the speed with which
the scale factor of our universe is increasing is increasing itself – it is
an accelerated expansion), and the Hubble constant must just be understood
as the value of the Hubble parameter at the current time:

H₀ = H(t₀),

where

H(t) = ȧ(t)/a(t).

[̇H = (ä a − ȧ²)/a² = −ȧ² (1 − ä a/ȧ²)/a² = −ȧ²/a² (1 + q)
= −H² (1 + q) < 0 if q > −1.]

Astrophysicists/cosmologists are well aware of this. But you are apparently
not aware of their knowledge; you are merely arguing from your own
ignorance.

> "eXergy" ( potential entropy ) creates/destroys us.

Such a nonsense, it is not even wrong.

> No entropy at the ( infinitely precise ) start of the Big Bang.

First of all, “infinitely precise” is just more pseudo-scientific nonsense
from you.

Second, the low-entropy state _close to_ the Big Bang event is an
assumption, and it is substantiated by the observations of the CMB which is
the most perfect example of black-body radiation yet.

However, Roger Penrose argues in his Cyclic Cosmology model that a low-
entropy state of a singular universe can be the result of the conformal
mapping of a previous, infinitely large universe with maximum entropy –
the same state that can reasonably be assumed in the distant future of
the universe as we know it.
> From our perspective, clocks tick ever-slower the closer
> they are to the start of the Big Bang

How did you get that idea?

> but, locally, they tick normally, as they do here.

Clocks are just thought-experiment substitutes for the elapsed proper time
on a worldline. Obviously clocks as we know them did not exist back then
yet.

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On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 1:38:41 AM UTC-7, Dick's DriveIn wrote:

Dick's DriveIn is a famous Seattle area burger chain from the early days American dive-in culture. Dick's has survived all the McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, Taco Times competition. It's half dozen locations still remain Seattle's all-time favorite burger emporium.

Poster Dick's DriveIn, are you in the Seattle area? Microsoft campus?


> Re: "Tom Roberts and his filth" & "A Theory of All"
>
> Tom Roberts isn't the most polished "Instagrammer"; still, he's OK.
>
> These assumptions cover a lot of ground:
>
> "No Hidden Variables" ( Bell's Theorem ) willfully ignores:
> We don't know what we don't know.
>
> A better scientist _assumes_ that entropy has no limits, past or present.
> Hollywood, religions & governments make the _opposite_ assumption.
>
> Empirically, there's nothing "constant" about the Hubble constant.
> "eXergy" ( potential entropy ) creates/destroys us.
> No entropy at the ( infinitely precise ) start of the Big Bang.
>
> From our perspective, clocks tick ever-slower the closer
> they are to the start of the Big Bang but, locally,
> they tick normally, as they do here.
>
> "God" (nature) programmed us to consume residual eXergy as
> the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse.
>
> "Life" is that videogame playing in your head;
> without it, you're just meat.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05 UTC

Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/16/2022 11:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The only good moderator is a dead moderator.

If the moderators are dead, so is the group,
by the rules of usenet.
It is not possible to create new ones.

> :-))

Come on, nobody forces you to try posting there.

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05 UTC

Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/16/2022 3:53 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Jan
> > (who avoids sci.physics)
>
>
> Ahah.. you're familiar with sci.physics then.

No, not really. It is not a group I subscribe to,
so all I may see is the occasional cross-post,
(which shouldn't exist)

Jan

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Tue, 17 May 2022 18:36 UTC

Dick's DriveIn wrote:

> That the speed of light is a constant,
> regardless of the frame of reference,
> is a _useful_ assumption that has never been falsified.

Nobody debated that.

> Likewise, my assumptions are _useful_ & have never been falsified.

Apparently it has escaped your attention that I had just falsified several
of them.

> In fact, the entire history of science supports my assertions.

Only that it does not. And claiming otherwise does not change that.

PointedEars
--
Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch?
A: Fission chips.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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 by: Thomas 'Pointed - Tue, 17 May 2022 18:50 UTC

Dick's DriveIn wrote:

> PointedEars imagined:
>> > "No Hidden Variables" ( Bell's Theorem ) willfully ignores:
>> > We don't know what we don't know.
>> educate yourself.
>
> Are you claiming that you know what you don't know ?!
> Such arrogance has no place in the science community.

By contrast to me, for example, your claims and reactions mark you as not a
member of the scientific community. So you are not in a position to make an
informed judgment, and your opinion in that regard is irrelevant.

>> > A better scientist _assumes_ that entropy has no limits, past or
>> > present.
>>
>> The entropy of an isolated system approaches a maximum.
>
> "Approaching" is not the same thing as "Has Arrived".

True. Nobody debated that.

> The cosmos is transforming from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely
> cold/sparse.

Probably true. Nobody debated that.
>> > Hollywood, religions & governments make the _opposite_ assumption.
>>
>> As you can see, it is not merely an assumption,
>> but follows logically from the definitions.
>
> The trend towards increased entropy has not stopped, nor will it ever.

Entropy *of what*? You are avoiding the issue.

> Eventually, Earth will evaporate away;

Definitely, but not because of entropy.

> black holes too.

Maybe, but not because of an increase in entropy.

>> > Empirically, there's nothing "constant" about the Hubble constant.
>> Astrophysicists/cosmologists are well aware of this.
>
> The (eternal) consumption of "eXergy" ( potential entropy )
> is the source of the accelerating expansion.

Maybe in your private physics in which you think you are smart because you
are arguing from your own ignorance. In your own words, you do not even
realize yet *that* you do not know.
>> > "eXergy" ( potential entropy ) creates/destroys us.
>> Such a nonsense, it is not even wrong.
>
> Empirically, you need eXergy to drive to the store.

Repeating the same thing over and over again despite *careful* refutation
indicates a mental illness on the part of the person doing that.

Writing scientific terms in unusual ways, such as “exergy” with a capital
“X”, is another.

You probably want to educate yourself about what exergy actually is:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exergy>

>> > No entropy at the ( infinitely precise ) start of the Big Bang.
>>
>> “infinitely precise” is pseudo-scientific nonsense
>
> Precision is artificial, not natural.

There is no such thing as “infinite precision”.

> "Life" is that videogame playing in your head;
> without it, you're just meat.

It remains to be seen whether you are able to use the meat in your head.
>> maximum entropy...
>
> ...is notional, not real.

What is that even supposed to *mean*?
>> > From our perspective, clocks tick ever-slower the closer
>> > they are to the start of the Big Bang
>> How did you get that idea?
>
> General Relativity; check it out sometime, if you can.

General relativity does not say anything of the sort.
> You didn't know that we _observe_ that (natural) clocks tick slower
> the closer they are to the start of the Big Bang ?

By contrast to certain other people, I prefer to not know nonsense.
>> > but, locally, they tick normally, as they do here.
>>
>> Clocks as we know them did not exist back then yet.
>
> Time existed "back then"; we measure it ( using natural clocks ).

IIRC, we have no way (yet) to make a statement of that sort before 10⁻³³ s
after the Big Bang event.
> Locally, at the start of the Big Bang, General Relativity says
> (natural) clocks ticked the same as they do here&now, not slower.

By saying that you contradict your earlier statement, though.

PointedEars
--
Heisenberg is out for a drive when he's stopped by a traffic cop.
The officer asks him "Do you know how fast you were going?"
Heisenberg replies "No, but I know where I am."
(from: WolframAlpha)

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 by: The Starmaker - Tue, 17 May 2022 19:14 UTC

J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 5/16/2022 3:53 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Jan
> > > (who avoids sci.physics)
> >
> >
> > Ahah.. you're familiar with sci.physics then.
>
> No, not really. It is not a group I subscribe to,
> so all I may see is the occasional cross-post,
> (which shouldn't exist)
>
> Jan

(which shouldn't exist)???? How stupid can you be...Jan? LOOK, OBSERVE...Your Newsreader, it reads:

Newsgroups:

There is a letter s at the end of the word...Newgroups.

Meaning, More than One newgroup. You add an s and it means more than one.

(which shouldn't exist)???? shouldn't, couldn't wouldn't but does exist.

Take a course in Reality, J. La dee da

its gonna take a Lodder love
to change the way things are

so if you look in my direction
and we dont see eye to eye,

its gonna take a Lodder love
its gonna take a Lodder love
its gonna take a Lodder love

NewsgroupS:

The world revolves around Jan.

--
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:08 UTC

The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[Follow-Up to sci.physics]

> J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >
> > Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/16/2022 3:53 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > Jan
> > > > (who avoids sci.physics)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ahah.. you're familiar with sci.physics then.
> >
> > No, not really. It is not a group I subscribe to,
> > so all I may see is the occasional cross-post,
> > (which shouldn't exist)
> >
> > Jan
>
>
> (which shouldn't exist)???? How stupid can you be...Jan? LOOK,
> OBSERVE...Your Newsreader, it reads:
>
>
> Newsgroups:
>
>
> There is a letter s at the end of the word...Newgroups.
>
> Meaning, More than One newgroup. You add an s and it means more than one.

Quite simple, dear Newby.
If there is a general newsgroup, like sci.physics,
with a specialised subgroup, like sci.physics.relativity,
then it is bad netiquette to crosspost between the two.
If you feel you must do it nevertheless you should set a Follow-Up to:

Excessive cross-posting is a misplaced shout for too much attention,

Jan

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 by: The Starmaker - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:50 UTC

Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask

Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
a process known as cross-posting.

Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
might have something to say. So might people who read
alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.

Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:

rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc

and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
moderator, who decides whether to make it public).

It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
newsgroups.
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Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
....with cross-posting.
The Starmaker

"A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
--from Google Groups

"If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
through each copy. -- from Google Groups

J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> [Follow-Up to sci.physics]
>
> > J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >
> > > Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 5/16/2022 3:53 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > > Jan
> > > > > (who avoids sci.physics)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ahah.. you're familiar with sci.physics then.
> > >
> > > No, not really. It is not a group I subscribe to,
> > > so all I may see is the occasional cross-post,
> > > (which shouldn't exist)
> > >
> > > Jan
> >
> >
> > (which shouldn't exist)???? How stupid can you be...Jan? LOOK,
> > OBSERVE...Your Newsreader, it reads:
> >
> >
> > Newsgroups:
> >
> >
> > There is a letter s at the end of the word...Newgroups.
> >
> > Meaning, More than One newgroup. You add an s and it means more than one.
>
> Quite simple, dear Newby.
> If there is a general newsgroup, like sci.physics,
> with a specialised subgroup, like sci.physics.relativity,
> then it is bad netiquette to crosspost between the two.
> If you feel you must do it nevertheless you should set a Follow-Up to:
>
> Excessive cross-posting is a misplaced shout for too much attention,
>
> Jan

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

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