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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 22 May 2022 12:15 UTC

TAI time, UTC, GPS, zone times - that's how a
time from the real world looks lik,e. Not
especially similiar to your gedanken idiocy...

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sun, 22 May 2022 13:40 UTC

Le 22/05/2022 à 14:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> TAI time, UTC, GPS, zone times - that's how a
> time from the real world looks lik,e. Not
> especially similiar to your gedanken idiocy...

There are things in the theory of relativity which are true, but which are
extremely poorly said.

It comes down to basic definitions.

Physicists talk about the relativity of time, but they themselves, in
extreme arrogance, say they understand what they are saying when they say
that.

They obviously only understand it if they are pushed to their limits.

And to the simple questions that we can ask them, it will quickly be
obvious that the rapid escape will occur.

My main grievances towards my scientific friends relate to the way they
use abstract words to define the things they would like to understand
without succeeding in all of them.

Example, they say:
"In any other reference frame (R) in uniform motion, the length at each
instant is less than the proper length".

This is NOT what the Lorentz transformations (made by Poincaré) say and
are correct.

It is the interpretation that scientists make of it that is not.
TLs don't say what they're made to say.

I note again: "If an observer moves towards a monochromatic source, there
is a Doppler effect, and the frequency of the source moves towards the
red. If it moves away, it moves towards the blue".

All of this is obviously absurd.

As it is holy written:
"But you guys didn't understand anything!!!"

By dint of talking about abstract things, even the teachers themselves
make incredible blunders.

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 22 May 2022 13:51 UTC

On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 15:40:12 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 22/05/2022 à 14:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > TAI time, UTC, GPS, zone times - that's how a
> > time from the real world looks lik,e. Not
> > especially similiar to your gedanken idiocy...
> There are things in the theory of relativity which are true, but which are
> extremely poorly said.

Yes. Time is really what clocks indicate: TAI, GPS,
UTC, zone times - all of them. It's just that the clocks
are obeying some abstract, human designed concept
from outside of their tale.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sun, 22 May 2022 14:06 UTC

Le 22/05/2022 à 15:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 15:40:12 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 22/05/2022 à 14:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> > TAI time, UTC, GPS, zone times - that's how a
>> > time from the real world looks lik,e. Not
>> > especially similiar to your gedanken idiocy...
>> There are things in the theory of relativity which are true, but which are
>> extremely poorly said.
>
> Yes. Time is really what clocks indicate: TAI, GPS,
> UTC, zone times - all of them. It's just that the clocks
> are obeying some abstract, human designed concept
> from outside of their tale.

A clock always indicates real time.

Real time Tr.

Or proper time.

A few pies in the mouth would do good to idiots incapable of understanding
this thing, and who, incapable and ashamed, come and shit on me with
hatred and jealousy.

But no, they don't understand, the hateful morons!!!

I repeat for them (I drive home the point): a local clock always indicates
real time.

It's spot on, shit!

The watch is right.

It's like a train siren.

The mermaid is right.

It is spot on.

Another observer who sees the train arriving or the train moving away will
perceive a different wavelength.

But how is it that Richard Hachel, in 2022, still needs to say these sorts
of banalities?

What's going on in your dead brains? ? ?

Well it IS the same with watches.

Other watches will only perceive "observable" time for it, not proper or
real time.

It all depends on their relative speed and their position with respect to
the other watch.

Same for lengths or distances.

What is "observable" To is not the real Tr.

For times:
To=Tr.(1+cosµ.Vo/c)/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)

For lengths and distances:
Lo=Lr.sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)/(1+cosµ.Vo/c)

Do you understand these things?

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sun, 22 May 2022 14:13 UTC

On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 16:06:07 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 22/05/2022 à 15:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 15:40:12 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> >> Le 22/05/2022 à 14:15, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> >> > TAI time, UTC, GPS, zone times - that's how a
> >> > time from the real world looks lik,e. Not
> >> > especially similiar to your gedanken idiocy...
> >> There are things in the theory of relativity which are true, but which are
> >> extremely poorly said.
> >
> > Yes. Time is really what clocks indicate: TAI, GPS,
> > UTC, zone times - all of them. It's just that the clocks
> > are obeying some abstract, human designed concept
> > from outside of their tale.
> A clock always indicates real time.

No. Sometimes it's out of order.

> I repeat for them (I drive home the point): a local clock always indicates
> real time.

A clock is not any fucken avatar of any fucken
Great Mystical Essence. It is our tool. It indicates
what we want it to indicate. And that is - time.
May be TAI, or UTC, or GPS, or zone...

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