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* Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarcePentcho Valev
+* Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarceAthel Cornish-Bowden
|`* Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarceMaciej Wozniak
| `* Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarceJ. J. Lodder
|  `- Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarceMaciej Wozniak
+* Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarceJ. J. Lodder
|`- Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate Farcemitchr...@gmail.com
`* Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarcePentcho Valev
 `- Re: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate FarceThomas Heger

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Subject: Why Modern Physics Is an Elaborate Farce
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 by: Pentcho Valev - Fri, 27 May 2022 22:44 UTC

Postulate in Big Brother’s world: 2 + 2 = 5

Consequence: 3(2 + 2) = 3x5 = 15

On the other hand: 3(2 + 2) = 3x2 + 3x2 = 12

The paradox shows how exciting and revolutionary Big Brother’s science is.

Postulate in Albert Einstein’s world: The speed of light is constant.

Consequence: If two clocks are in relative motion, either clock runs slower than the other as judged from the other clock’s system.

The paradox shows how exciting and revolutionary Albert Einstein’s science is.

Bryan Wallace: "Einstein's special relativity theory with his second postulate that the speed of light in space is constant is the linchpin that holds the whole range of modern physics theories together. Shatter this postulate, and modern physics becomes an elaborate farce!"

See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

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From: acorn...@imm.cnrs.fr (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 28 May 2022 07:00 UTC

On 2022-05-27 22:44:31 +0000, Pentcho Valev said:

> Postulate in Big Brother’s world: 2 + 2 = 5

So your long vacation is over. I had been wondering how long it would
take before you were back with your lies. OK, as your lies go that one
is pretty mild (no one postulates that 2 + 2 = 5; that is your
invention), but it's only a matter of time before your quote-mining
produces more examples of quotations that omit essential points and
give an opposite impression from what the author clearly intended.
>
> Consequence: 3(2 + 2) = 3x5 = 15
> On the other hand: 3(2 + 2) = 3x2 + 3x2 = 12
> The paradox shows how exciting and revolutionary Big Brother’s science is.
> Postulate in Albert Einstein’s world: The speed of light is constant.
> Consequence: If two clocks are in relative motion, either clock runs
> slower than the other as judged from the other clock’s system.
> The paradox shows how exciting and revolutionary Albert Einstein’s
> science is.
>
> Bryan Wallace: "Einstein's special relativity theory with his second
> postulate that the speed of light in space is constant is the linchpin
> that holds the whole range of modern physics theories together. Shatter
> this postulate, and modern physics becomes an elaborate farce!"
>
> See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
>
> Pentcho Valev

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 28 May 2022 08:16 UTC

On Saturday, 28 May 2022 at 09:00:58 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-05-27 22:44:31 +0000, Pentcho Valev said:
>
> > Postulate in Big Brother’s world: 2 + 2 = 5
> So your long vacation is over. I had been wondering how long it would
> take before you were back with your lies. OK, as your lies go that one
> is pretty mild (no one postulates that 2 + 2 = 5; that is your
> invention)

Nonononono! Your bunch of idiots has only denied
basic geomytry. Why you believe denying Pythagorean
theorem is somehow better than denying 2+2=4 - will
remain a mystery of yours.

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Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bryan Wallace: "Einstein's special relativity theory with his second
> postulate that the speed of light in space is constant is the linchpin
> that holds the whole range of modern physics theories together. Shatter
> this postulate, and modern physics becomes an elaborate farce!"

Against his intentions, entirely correct.
There is no modern physics without relativity,

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Sat, 28 May 2022 08:50 UTC

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 28 May 2022 at 09:00:58 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2022-05-27 22:44:31 +0000, Pentcho Valev said:
> >
> > > Postulate in Big Brother's world: 2 + 2 = 5
> > So your long vacation is over. I had been wondering how long it would
> > take before you were back with your lies. OK, as your lies go that one
> > is pretty mild (no one postulates that 2 + 2 = 5; that is your
> > invention)
>
> Nonononono! Your bunch of idiots has only denied
> basic geomytry. Why you believe denying Pythagorean
> theorem is somehow better than denying 2+2=4 - will
> remain a mystery of yours.

We eagerly await your demonstration of your non-Peano arithmetic,
(but we won't hold our breath)

Jan

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 28 May 2022 09:02 UTC

On Saturday, 28 May 2022 at 10:50:56 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 28 May 2022 at 09:00:58 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > > On 2022-05-27 22:44:31 +0000, Pentcho Valev said:
> > >
> > > > Postulate in Big Brother's world: 2 + 2 = 5
> > > So your long vacation is over. I had been wondering how long it would
> > > take before you were back with your lies. OK, as your lies go that one
> > > is pretty mild (no one postulates that 2 + 2 = 5; that is your
> > > invention)
> >
> > Nonononono! Your bunch of idiots has only denied
> > basic geomytry. Why you believe denying Pythagorean
> > theorem is somehow better than denying 2+2=4 - will
> > remain a mystery of yours.
> We eagerly await your demonstration of your non-Peano arithmetic,

Feel free to await, poor halfbrain; in oposition to
your idiot guru I'm not going to refute basic
mathematics.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sat, 28 May 2022 17:22 UTC

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 1:39:43 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Bryan Wallace: "Einstein's special relativity theory with his second
> > postulate that the speed of light in space is constant is the linchpin
> > that holds the whole range of modern physics theories together. Shatter
> > this postulate, and modern physics becomes an elaborate farce!"
> Against his intentions, entirely correct.
> There is no modern physics without relativity,
>
> Jan

Einstein didn't need relativity.
Einstein proposed an alternative to relativity
as an addendum paper of 1905 he called
Closing Velocity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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 by: Pentcho Valev - Sun, 29 May 2022 20:23 UTC

The observer starts moving towards the light source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE

Two obvious facts in this particular scenario:

(A) The speed and the frequency of the light pulses vary proportionally for the observer.

(B) The wavelength (distance between light pulses) remains constant.

The fact (B) remains true in ANY scenario (moving emitter, moving observer, presence or absence of gravity) and will become the fundamental axiom of future, Einstein-free physics (if the death of physics is not irreversible):

The wavelength of light is constant (for a given emitter).

Important corollaries:

Corollary 1: Any frequency shift entails (is caused by) a proportional speed-of-light shift.

Corollary 2: If the emitter and the observer (receiver) travel towards each other with relative speed v, the speed of light as measured by the observer is c' = c+v, as per Newton's theory.

Corollary 3: Spacetime and gravitational waves (ripples in spacetime) don't exist. LIGO's "discoveries" are fake.

Corollary 4: Light falls in a gravitational field with the same acceleration as ordinary falling bodies - near Earth's surface the accelerations of falling photons is g = 9.8 m/s^2. Accordingly, there is no gravitational time dilation: Einstein's general relativity is an absurdity.

Corollary 5: The Hubble redshift is due to light slowing down as it travels through vacuum. The universe is not expanding.

More here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

Pentcho Valev

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 08:21 UTC

Am 29.05.2022 um 22:23 schrieb Pentcho Valev:
> The observer starts moving towards the light source:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE
>
> Two obvious facts in this particular scenario:
>
> (A) The speed and the frequency of the light pulses vary proportionally for the observer.
>
> (B) The wavelength (distance between light pulses) remains constant.
>
> The fact (B) remains true in ANY scenario (moving emitter, moving observer, presence or absence of gravity) and will become the fundamental axiom of future, Einstein-free physics (if the death of physics is not irreversible):
>
> The wavelength of light is constant (for a given emitter).

The observed wavelength of a wave is 'relative'!

This is called 'Doppler effect'.

But since we cannot distinguish motion from being at rest (in the SRT
'world'), we cannot say, which wavelength is correct.

Unfortunately Einstein had not covered this problem in SRT, because he
had not mentioned 'wavelength' or anything similar in 'Electrodynamics
of moving bodies'.

TH

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