https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/

Bianchi dealer too.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
>
> Bianchi dealer too.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Where was the alarm and hence the police?

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
>>
>> Bianchi dealer too.

>Where was the alarm and hence the police?

"Counting the Seconds: Uncovering Average Police Response Time in
2023"
<https://www.saferwatchapp.com/blog/police-response-time/>
For Los Angeles, 5.7 minutes.

However, that's probably for a priority 911 call and not a "property
crime". If the police are busy, the response might be to file an
online police report:
<https://www.lapdonline.org/file-a-police-report/>
and contact your insurance company. When there is a shortage of
officers, that's the likely scenario:

(Aug 8, 2023)
"LAPD employment numbers shrink, report says"
<https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-employment-numbers-shrink>

(Mar 20, 2022)
"Los Angeles Limiting Police Response to Home Alarms"
<https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/news/los-angeles-limiting-police-response-to-home-alarms/>
"...97% of alarm calls they receive are false."
I'm not sure, but I suspect that business false alarms are not much
better.

One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
protect the bicycle from theft.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
>>>
>>> Bianchi dealer too.
>
>> Where was the alarm and hence the police?
>
> "Counting the Seconds: Uncovering Average Police Response Time in
> 2023"
> <https://www.saferwatchapp.com/blog/police-response-time/>
> For Los Angeles, 5.7 minutes.
>
> However, that's probably for a priority 911 call and not a "property
> crime". If the police are busy, the response might be to file an
> online police report:
> <https://www.lapdonline.org/file-a-police-report/>
> and contact your insurance company. When there is a shortage of
> officers, that's the likely scenario:
>
> (Aug 8, 2023)
> "LAPD employment numbers shrink, report says"
> <https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-employment-numbers-shrink>
>
> (Mar 20, 2022)
> "Los Angeles Limiting Police Response to Home Alarms"
> <https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/news/los-angeles-limiting-police-response-to-home-alarms/>
> "...97% of alarm calls they receive are false."
> I'm not sure, but I suspect that business false alarms are not much
> better.
>
> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
> protect the bicycle from theft.
>

Good system.
I had 30-foot straight cables made up to pass through the
bikes in the window at night. Stops 'smash glass, grab a
bike' and slows people going though a row of bikes to get
farther inside.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 9/10/2023 12:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
> protect the bicycle from theft.

Makes sense. The local Lowe's hardware store has long cables to tie down
the mowers, snow blowers or whatever other machines they park out front.

I'm sure Lowe's also sells tools suitable for cutting those same cables.
But so far their scheme seems to have worked well enough.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
> protect the bicycle from theft.

I once saw some bicycle racks for parking your bike where a steel bar
with two round steel bars tilted up through the front wheel and rear
triangle and then you locked a tab with a padlock which was inside a
steel tube so you could not get to the padlock with an angle grinder or
bolt cutters. I think these racks must have been a custom job since I've
never seen them again. Kind of like this
<https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_1439.jpg>
but without the bike locker activation system. I would think that a bike
shop could have something like that welded up, even two level, to secure
the expensive bikes. It would be really time-consuming to steal a
bicycle secured with this kind of rack.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:34:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/10/2023 12:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
>> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
>> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
>> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
>> protect the bicycle from theft.
>
>Makes sense. The local Lowe's hardware store has long cables to tie down
>the mowers, snow blowers or whatever other machines they park out front.

Bad idea. Locking cables are easily cut with a battery powered angle
grinder and a cut-off wheel.
"Stealing My Own Bike - 7 Bike Locks Vs Angle Grinder"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZ-S63AsPQ>
"We Destroyed 6 Of The Best Bicycle Locks"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxyaFf379g>

If noise is a problem, a hydraulic cutter works nicely:
"Hydraulic Cutter vs. Kryptonite Keeper Bicycle U-Lock"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyORzskAkkY>
12 seconds.

The problem with using a single cable is that all the bicycles are
unlocked with a single cut in the cable. That doesn't create much of
a slowdown. The best way is to force the burglars to cut one cable
for every bicycle they steal. It's not a huge deterrent and won't
stop a smash and grab thief from stealing a single bicycle. It also
won't do much for slowing down 5 burglars, each stealing one bicycle
each, assuming they have 5 angle grinders.

>I'm sure Lowe's also sells tools suitable for cutting those same cables.
>But so far their scheme seems to have worked well enough.

To the smash and grab thief, time is critical. If it takes too long,
there's an increasing chance of being identified or caught. Usually,
the thief will prefer the low hanging fruit and find a store where
it's easier and faster to steal things. Deterrence helps.

Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
very long because most US locks are junk.
<https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:02:28 -0500, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
>> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
>> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
>> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
>> protect the bicycle from theft.

>I once saw some bicycle racks for parking your bike where a steel bar
>with two round steel bars tilted up through the front wheel and rear
>triangle and then you locked a tab with a padlock which was inside a
>steel tube so you could not get to the padlock with an angle grinder or
>bolt cutters. I think these racks must have been a custom job since I've
>never seen them again. Kind of like this
><https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_1439.jpg>
>but without the bike locker activation system. I would think that a bike
>shop could have something like that welded up, even two level, to secure
>the expensive bikes. It would be really time-consuming to steal a
>bicycle secured with this kind of rack.

That's a good idea for an outdoor bike rack, but might be a bit
awkward for indoor use in a traditionally over-crowded LBS. From your
description, my guess is one of these lockers would cost (retail) $400
plus an additional $100 to cover the cost of bolting it to the
(concrete?) floor. The devices would also require additional floor
space. Maybe 100 bicycles on the showroom floor. That's $50,000
total. I don't think that's practical and just moving a bike rack
indoors would probably suffice.

(June 6, 2023)
"Family-owned Redwood City bike shop has $50K in inventory stolen"
<https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/video-family-owned-redwood-city-bike-shop-has-50k-in-inventory-stolen/>
Chain Reaction Bicycles.
"We had six e-bikes and one high-end road bike and that totaled over
50 thousand dollars, Kevin said."

One bicycle per thief. The video shows some of the thieves riding
away from the store. Maybe removing the air from the showroom
bicycles might be another way to slow down the thieves.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 9/10/2023 3:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> That's a good idea for an outdoor bike rack, but might be a bit
> awkward for indoor use in a traditionally over-crowded LBS. From your
> description, my guess is one of these lockers would cost (retail) $400
> plus an additional $100 to cover the cost of bolting it to the
> (concrete?) floor. The devices would also require additional floor
> space. Maybe 100 bicycles on the showroom floor. That's $50,000
> total. I don't think that's practical and just moving a bike rack
> indoors would probably suffice.

True, but only locking up the really expensive bikes would be necessary.
Or perhaps just a bunch of U locks attached to each other would work.

I've seen foolish setups where a shop uses one really long cable through
a bunch of bikes. It only takes one cut to get to all the bikes.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 9/10/2023 4:03 PM, sms wrote:
> On 9/10/2023 3:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> That's a good idea for an outdoor bike rack, but might be
>> a bit
>> awkward for indoor use in a traditionally over-crowded
>> LBS.  From your
>> description, my guess is one of these lockers would cost
>> (retail) $400
>> plus an additional $100 to cover the cost of bolting it to
>> the
>> (concrete?) floor.  The devices would also require
>> additional floor
>> space.  Maybe 100 bicycles on the showroom floor.  That's
>> $50,000
>> total.  I don't think that's practical and just moving a
>> bike rack
>> indoors would probably suffice.
>
> True, but only locking up the really expensive bikes would
> be necessary. Or perhaps just a bunch of U locks attached to
> each other would work.
>
> I've seen foolish setups where a shop uses one really long
> cable through a bunch of bikes. It only takes one cut to get
> to all the bikes.
>

With some experience in the area (12+ smash window, grab a
couple of bicycles) in the 1970s/1980s across four stores* a
cable does stop the most prevalent theft. And we only
suffered paint damage from glass in the four cases of
(probably mob action/vandalism) front window loss.

Serious burglars are a different matter and you would be
right about that. Then again, we had a warehouse roll-up
door smashed apart by a truck and many new bikes in cartons
carted off.

But most criminals are feckless including a loser who backed
out of the hole where an exhaust fan had been and landed,
with a new Allegro frame, onto the hood of the waiting squad
car. That's the only case of a police response. They usually
ask for a telephone or paper (or now I suppose web) report.

*One location mostly and we moved it out of that neighborhood
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 12:13:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
>>>>
>>>> Bianchi dealer too.
>>
>>> Where was the alarm and hence the police?
>>
>> "Counting the Seconds: Uncovering Average Police Response Time in
>> 2023"
>> <https://www.saferwatchapp.com/blog/police-response-time/>
>> For Los Angeles, 5.7 minutes.
>>
>> However, that's probably for a priority 911 call and not a "property
>> crime". If the police are busy, the response might be to file an
>> online police report:
>> <https://www.lapdonline.org/file-a-police-report/>
>> and contact your insurance company. When there is a shortage of
>> officers, that's the likely scenario:
>>
>> (Aug 8, 2023)
>> "LAPD employment numbers shrink, report says"
>> <https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-employment-numbers-shrink>
>>
>> (Mar 20, 2022)
>> "Los Angeles Limiting Police Response to Home Alarms"
>> <https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/news/los-angeles-limiting-police-response-to-home-alarms/>
>> "...97% of alarm calls they receive are false."
>> I'm not sure, but I suspect that business false alarms are not much
>> better.
>>
>> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
>> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
>> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
>> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
>> protect the bicycle from theft.
>>
>
>Good system.
>I had 30-foot straight cables made up to pass through the
>bikes in the window at night. Stops 'smash glass, grab a
>bike' and slows people going though a row of bikes to get
>farther inside.

Here no one would even conside having unprotected large windows. All
shops have roll down metal "shutters" covring the windows when the
shop is closed.
--
cheers,

John B.

On 9/10/2023 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:34:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/10/2023 12:45 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
>>> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
>>> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
>>> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
>>> protect the bicycle from theft.
>>
>> Makes sense. The local Lowe's hardware store has long cables to tie down
>> the mowers, snow blowers or whatever other machines they park out front.
>
> Bad idea. Locking cables are easily cut with a battery powered angle
> grinder and a cut-off wheel.
> "Stealing My Own Bike - 7 Bike Locks Vs Angle Grinder"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZ-S63AsPQ>
> "We Destroyed 6 Of The Best Bicycle Locks"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxyaFf379g>
>
> If noise is a problem, a hydraulic cutter works nicely:
> "Hydraulic Cutter vs. Kryptonite Keeper Bicycle U-Lock"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyORzskAkkY>
> 12 seconds.
>
> The problem with using a single cable is that all the bicycles are
> unlocked with a single cut in the cable. That doesn't create much of
> a slowdown. The best way is to force the burglars to cut one cable
> for every bicycle they steal. It's not a huge deterrent and won't
> stop a smash and grab thief from stealing a single bicycle. It also
> won't do much for slowing down 5 burglars, each stealing one bicycle
> each, assuming they have 5 angle grinders.

Yes, as I said, the Lowe's store probably sells the tools to cut their
own cable. OTOH, the system probably works for them, or they'd be doing
something else.

ISTM the strength of a shop's anti-theft system should be based on the
likelihood of loss and the potential magnitude of loss. The rougher the
neighborhood (or perhaps region) and the more costly the bikes, the
stronger the system.

>
>> I'm sure Lowe's also sells tools suitable for cutting those same cables.
>> But so far their scheme seems to have worked well enough.
>
> To the smash and grab thief, time is critical. If it takes too long,
> there's an increasing chance of being identified or caught. Usually,
> the thief will prefer the low hanging fruit and find a store where
> it's easier and faster to steal things. Deterrence helps.
>
> Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
> very long because most US locks are junk.
> <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>

You must be much faster at picking locks than I am! I've done it, but
for me it's a very slow process, with less than 100% success.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:30:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 9/10/2023 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
>> very long because most US locks are junk.
>> <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>
>
>You must be much faster at picking locks than I am! I've done it, but
>for me it's a very slow process, with less than 100% success.

I'm a permanent beginner when it comes to lock picking. Single pin
picking requires knowledge of the lock internals and of course some
practice. If I'm not prepared, it can take me a long time. Try
watching watching how the experts do it. He makes picking look easy:
<https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/videos>
If I wanted to quickly open a lock, I would first try using bypass
tools, combs, raking, specialized tools, snap guns, bump keys, jiggler
keys, etc before resorting to single pin picking.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 12:13:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:18:50?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
>>>>
>>>> Bianchi dealer too.
>>
>>> Where was the alarm and hence the police?
>>
>> "Counting the Seconds: Uncovering Average Police Response Time in
>> 2023"
>> <https://www.saferwatchapp.com/blog/police-response-time/>
>> For Los Angeles, 5.7 minutes.
>>
>> However, that's probably for a priority 911 call and not a "property
>> crime". If the police are busy, the response might be to file an
>> online police report:
>> <https://www.lapdonline.org/file-a-police-report/>
>> and contact your insurance company. When there is a shortage of
>> officers, that's the likely scenario:
>>
>> (Aug 8, 2023)
>> "LAPD employment numbers shrink, report says"
>> <https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-employment-numbers-shrink>
>>
>> (Mar 20, 2022)
>> "Los Angeles Limiting Police Response to Home Alarms"
>> <https://www.deepsentinel.com/blogs/news/los-angeles-limiting-police-response-to-home-alarms/>
>> "...97% of alarm calls they receive are false."
>> I'm not sure, but I suspect that business false alarms are not much
>> better.
>>
>> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
>> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
>> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
>> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
>> protect the bicycle from theft.
>>
>
>Good system.
>I had 30-foot straight cables made up to pass through the
>bikes in the window at night. Stops 'smash glass, grab a
>bike' and slows people going though a row of bikes to get
>farther inside.

Perhaps unique in the U.S. but here all shops or stores use roll down
"shutters" to cover any display windows, even shops inside a
department store use them.
https://www.kssthailand.com/roller-shutters/commercial-shutters/
https://www.hotels.com/go/thailand/fortune-town-it-mall-bangkok
Just behind the girl with the white clothes you can see the tracks in
the side of the shop doors where the "shutter" slides down.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 13:02:28 -0500, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 9/10/2023 11:45 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> One of the local bike shops has cable locks attached to each of the
>> higher priced bicycles and nearby racks or fastened to something
>> that's not very portable. The locks are not very good quality. They
>> are probably intended to slow down smash and grab burglars rather than
>> protect the bicycle from theft.
>
>I once saw some bicycle racks for parking your bike where a steel bar
>with two round steel bars tilted up through the front wheel and rear
>triangle and then you locked a tab with a padlock which was inside a
>steel tube so you could not get to the padlock with an angle grinder or
>bolt cutters. I think these racks must have been a custom job since I've
>never seen them again. Kind of like this
><https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/IMG_1439.jpg>
>but without the bike locker activation system. I would think that a bike
>shop could have something like that welded up, even two level, to secure
>the expensive bikes. It would be really time-consuming to steal a
>bicycle secured with this kind of rack.

the absolute best method of securing a bicycle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC_SxQ55r7o

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/10/2023 9:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:30:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 9/10/2023 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
>>> very long because most US locks are junk.
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>
>>
>> You must be much faster at picking locks than I am! I've done it, but
>> for me it's a very slow process, with less than 100% success.
>
> I'm a permanent beginner when it comes to lock picking. Single pin
> picking requires knowledge of the lock internals and of course some
> practice. If I'm not prepared, it can take me a long time. Try
> watching watching how the experts do it. He makes picking look easy:
> <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/videos>
> If I wanted to quickly open a lock, I would first try using bypass
> tools, combs, raking, specialized tools, snap guns, bump keys, jiggler
> keys, etc before resorting to single pin picking.

Oh, I've watched lots of his videos. In general, I'm suspicious of
videos that make anything look easy. I once saw a home remodeling video
(maybe This Old House?) that showed a guy using a table saw. The
conversation was continuous as he made one cut, then another; but in the
second video, he had a Band-aid on his finger that was missing when he
made the first cut.

One young lad I know is fascinated with the idea of lock picking. I've
lent him some relevant equipment, and he's practiced. One major lesson
was that the instantaneous picking with a hairpin as done by TV "special
agents" is mythical.

Someday I'll introduce him to a locksmith I know. I think he'll be
fascinated.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/10/2023 10:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>
>
> the absolute best method of securing a bicycle
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC_SxQ55r7o

Meh. Get your angle grinder and cut down the light pole. Gone in two
minutes!

(That's a joke, John.)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:18:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/10/2023 9:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:30:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2023 3:57 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> Personally, I prefer to pick or bypass the lock. It also doesn't take
>>>> very long because most US locks are junk.
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/search?query=bicycle%20lock>
>>>
>>> You must be much faster at picking locks than I am! I've done it, but
>>> for me it's a very slow process, with less than 100% success.
>>
>> I'm a permanent beginner when it comes to lock picking. Single pin
>> picking requires knowledge of the lock internals and of course some
>> practice. If I'm not prepared, it can take me a long time. Try
>> watching watching how the experts do it. He makes picking look easy:
>> <https://www.youtube.com/@lockpickinglawyer/videos>
>> If I wanted to quickly open a lock, I would first try using bypass
>> tools, combs, raking, specialized tools, snap guns, bump keys, jiggler
>> keys, etc before resorting to single pin picking.
>
>Oh, I've watched lots of his videos. In general, I'm suspicious of
>videos that make anything look easy.

Likewise. However, I bought some of his tools:
<https://covertinstruments.com/collections/ssf-bypass-bible/products/covert-companion-1>
and have followed his examples on similar locks that I happened to
find. I don't see any evidence of trickery.

Also see Bosnian Bill:
<https://www.youtube.com/@bosnianbill/videos>
He hasn't made a new videos in 2 years, but the older videos are quite
good.

>I once saw a home remodeling video
>(maybe This Old House?) that showed a guy using a table saw. The
>conversation was continuous as he made one cut, then another; but in the
>second video, he had a Band-aid on his finger that was missing when he
>made the first cut.

Just because some carpenter might have been a little less than honest
doesn't mean that everyone on YouTube is also dishonest. Each person
has to be judged individually. I can provide links to a few fake lock
picking videos if you want.

>One young lad I know is fascinated with the idea of lock picking. I've
>lent him some relevant equipment, and he's practiced. One major lesson
>was that the instantaneous picking with a hairpin as done by TV "special
>agents" is mythical.

A good clue that it's fake is when the turning tool and pick are more
like rubber than a stiff spring. That doesn't work. More commonly,
they remove all but 2 of the pins in the lock and pretend it has 5 or
6 pins. Proving that they don't do that is one reason why the videos
I mentioned almost always end with a disassembly demonstration, which
is also useful for learning about how the lock works.

>Someday I'll introduce him to a locksmith I know. I think he'll be
>fascinated.

A lady I knew worked for a local lock shop. She mentioned that making
it look too easy is bad for business because nobody would pay their
outrageous charges for a few seconds with a bypass tool. Apparently,
there's an art to making it look difficult.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 9/10/2023 10:56 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>>
>> the absolute best method of securing a bicycle
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC_SxQ55r7o
>
> Meh. Get your angle grinder and cut down the light pole. Gone in two
> minutes!
>
> (That's a joke, John.)
>

Some YouTubers have tested to destruction d locks as expected they last few
seconds against power tools.

Mind you having had to open various locked cabinets and buildings so mostly
doors, they can be opened in a few seconds.

Ie if someone has physical access they will be able to open it just a
matter of how long.

Roger Merriman

On 9/10/2023 10:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/video-captures-thieves-escaping-with-40000-worth-of-high-end-bikes-from-irwindale-shop/
>
> Bianchi dealer too.

More on that story:
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/police-seek-publics-help-to-identify-socal-bike-burglars/
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971