On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:00:35 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:
> Is it unpatriotic to root for Russia?
>
> How about Ukraine versus Russia in the Olympics?

No, you don't have to do ANYTHING. Personally, I know that Ukraine resistance will just get more people killed than necessary, but it DOES give me pleasure to see Russian tanks and aircraft getting destroyed.

On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:

> I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know how to use media
> editors on a computer. Like the one that claims to have shut down a Russian
> helicopter. That's not on any major media outlets. The helicopter doesn't try
> to evade the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned. Looks fake.

Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major media outlet?
Is it possible to take much evasive action in about 1 second?

John

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker wrote:
> On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
>
> > I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know how to use media
> > editors on a computer. Like the one that claims to have shut down a Russian
> > helicopter. That's not on any major media outlets. The helicopter doesn't try
> > to evade the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned. Looks fake.
> Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major media outlet?
> Is it possible to take much evasive action in about 1 second?

Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were filming it. They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.

I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now sending all manner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One of the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.

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On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker wrote:
> > On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
> >
> > > I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know how to use media
> > > editors on a computer. Like the one that claims to have shut down a Russian
> > > helicopter. That's not on any major media outlets. The helicopter doesn't try
> > > to evade the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned. Looks fake.
> > Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major media outlet?
> > Is it possible to take much evasive action in about 1 second?
> Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were filming it. They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.
>
> I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now sending all manner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One of the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.

Both are necessary. Stingers for air and Javelins for ground. As i said in another post, they should now have thousands of them, but only reported hundreds of hits. Javelins are reported to have 90% kill rate. So, they should still have 90% unused. What are they waiting for, regarding the siting ducks (tanks) 15 miles north of Kiev.

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 1:18:13 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know how to use media
> > > > editors on a computer. Like the one that claims to have shut down a Russian
> > > > helicopter. That's not on any major media outlets. The helicopter doesn't try
> > > > to evade the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned. Looks fake.
> > > Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major media outlet?
> > > Is it possible to take much evasive action in about 1 second?
> > Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were filming it.. They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.
> >
> > I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now sending all manner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One of the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.
> Both are necessary. Stingers for air and Javelins for ground. As i said in another post, they should now have thousands of them, but only reported hundreds of hits. Javelins are reported to have 90% kill rate. So, they should still have 90% unused. What are they waiting for, regarding the siting ducks (tanks) 15 miles north of Kiev.

Are you volunteering to take a Javelin or two to the tanks and see if you can hit one before they kill you?

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On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 10:56:55 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 1:18:13 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know how to use media
> > > > > editors on a computer. Like the one that claims to have shut down a Russian
> > > > > helicopter. That's not on any major media outlets. The helicopter doesn't try
> > > > > to evade the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned. Looks fake.
> > > > Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major media outlet?
> > > > Is it possible to take much evasive action in about 1 second?
> > > Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were filming it. They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.
> > >
> > > I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now sending all manner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One of the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.
> > Both are necessary. Stingers for air and Javelins for ground. As i said in another post, they should now have thousands of them, but only reported hundreds of hits. Javelins are reported to have 90% kill rate. So, they should still have 90% unused. What are they waiting for, regarding the siting ducks (tanks) 15 miles north of Kiev.
> Are you volunteering to take a Javelin or two to the tanks and see if you can hit one before they kill you?

Yes, i'll do that in Taiwan. I won't fight in Ukraine, but perhaps Taiwan.

Did you know that Javelins are mini-smart drones? Plenty of time to evacuate before onboard motor ignition.

On 06/03/2022 19:18, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know
>>>> how to use media editors on a computer. Like the one that
>>>> claims to have shut down a Russian helicopter. That's not on
>>>> any major media outlets. The helicopter doesn't try to evade
>>>> the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned. Looks fake.
>>> Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major
>>> media outlet? Is it possible to take much evasive action in about
>>> 1 second?
>> Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were
>> filming it. They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.
>>
>>
>> I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now sending
>> all manner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One
>> of the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to
>> enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt
>> Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without
>> good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.
>
> Both are necessary. Stingers for air and Javelins for ground. As i
> said in another post, they should now have thousands of them, but
> only reported hundreds of hits. Javelins are reported to have 90%
> kill rate. So, they should still have 90% unused. What are they
> waiting for, regarding the siting ducks (tanks) 15 miles north of
> Kiev.
>

The reports I have read from military analysts is that the Ukrainians
are targeting vehicles at the front of the columns, bottlenecks in the
road (such as bridges), and supply vehicles. There is simply no need to
bother with the vehicles in the middle - if the road in front is
blocked, their fuel supplies (which apparently were limited to start
with) are blown up, and the surrounding landscape is forest and swamp,
then they are not going anywhere. The column has hardly moved in a week
as the soldiers get more and more demoralised and it is dawning on them
that this is not the military exercise, walk-over, or liberation mission
they had been told. It makes sense to keep their missiles for when they
are really needed - Russian advances in other parts of the country have
been more successful.

The Ukrainians may have logistic challenges themselves. European
countries have supplied large numbers of weapons, but it might not be a
simple matter to get these to the front lines.

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:36:26 AM UTC-8, David Brown wrote:
> On 06/03/2022 19:18, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know
> >>>> how to use media editors on a computer. Like the one that
> >>>> claims to have shut down a Russian helicopter. That's not on
> >>>> any major media outlets. The helicopter doesn't try to evade
> >>>> the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned. Looks fake.
> >>> Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major
> >>> media outlet? Is it possible to take much evasive action in about
> >>> 1 second?
> >> Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were
> >> filming it. They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.
> >>
> >>
> >> I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now sending
> >> all manner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One
> >> of the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to
> >> enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt
> >> Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without
> >> good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.
> >
> > Both are necessary. Stingers for air and Javelins for ground. As i
> > said in another post, they should now have thousands of them, but
> > only reported hundreds of hits. Javelins are reported to have 90%
> > kill rate. So, they should still have 90% unused. What are they
> > waiting for, regarding the siting ducks (tanks) 15 miles north of
> > Kiev.
> >
> The reports I have read from military analysts is that the Ukrainians
> are targeting vehicles at the front of the columns, bottlenecks in the
> road (such as bridges), and supply vehicles. There is simply no need to
> bother with the vehicles in the middle - if the road in front is
> blocked, their fuel supplies (which apparently were limited to start
> with) are blown up, and the surrounding landscape is forest and swamp,
> then they are not going anywhere. The column has hardly moved in a week
> as the soldiers get more and more demoralised and it is dawning on them
> that this is not the military exercise, walk-over, or liberation mission
> they had been told. It makes sense to keep their missiles for when they
> are really needed - Russian advances in other parts of the country have
> been more successful.
>
> The Ukrainians may have logistic challenges themselves. European
> countries have supplied large numbers of weapons, but it might not be a
> simple matter to get these to the front lines.

Yes, i guess Javelins are more expensive than vehicles. They are USD$200k each. We worry about soldiers running away with them than from them.

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1274d23d-b7d6-41ff-a476-6bba0a720e58n@googlegroups.com:

> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-8,
> gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker
>> wrote:
>> > On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who know
>> > > how to u
> se media
>> > > editors on a computer. Like the one that claims to have shut
>> > > down a R
> ussian
>> > > helicopter. That's not on any major media outlets. The
>> > > helicopter doe
> sn't try
>> > > to evade the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned.
>> > > Looks fake.
>
>> > Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a major
>> > media outl
> et?
>> > Is it possible to take much evasive action in about 1 second?
>> Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were
>> filming it.
> They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.
>>
>> I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now
>> sending all m
> anner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One of
> the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to
> enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt
> Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without
> good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.
>
> Both are necessary. Stingers for air and Javelins for ground. As
> i said in another post, they should now have thousands of them,
> but only reported hundreds of hits. Javelins are reported to have
> 90% kill rate. So, they should still have 90% unused. What are
> they waiting for, regarding the siting ducks (tanks) 15 miles
> north of Kiev.
>

A Puff Dragon to fly over and take them out for many many hundreds
of thousands of dollars cheaper. And then they would stil retain
those arms for the next stage.

You probably have to go look up what a Puff Dragon is though now.
And you could still get it wrong... again.

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:c3f30e9a-012b-4928-8a9d-167bed9d2789n@googlegroups.com:

> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 10:56:55 AM UTC-8,
> gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 1:18:13 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 9:32:20 AM UTC-8,
>> > gnuarm.del...@gmail.com w
> rote:
>> > > On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, John Walliker
>> > > wrote:
>
>> > > > On Sunday, 6 March 2022 at 08:41:53 UTC, John Doe wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I have seem some propaganda pieces by little people who
>> > > > > know how
> to use media
>> > > > > editors on a computer. Like the one that claims to have
>> > > > > shut down
> a Russian
>> > > > > helicopter. That's not on any major media outlets. The
>> > > > > helicopter
> doesn't try
>> > > > > to evade the missile. The camera is perfectly positioned.
>> > > > > Looks f
> ake.
>> > > > Does the BBC main evening TV news programme count as a
>> > > > major media
> outlet?
>> > > > Is it possible to take much evasive action in about 1
>> > > > second?
>> > > Yeah, looks like the people responsible for the missile were
>> > > filming
> it. They probably were looking for a good propaganda shot.
>> > >
>> > > I read that Germany has reversed their position and are now
>> > > sending a
> ll manner of weapons to Ukraine. I hope it makes a difference. One
> of the downsides of having a large force, is exposing yourself to
> enemy fire. If Ukraine can take out more aircraft, that will hurt
> Russia very badly and make it harder for them to advance. Without
> good air cover, it is much easier to attack the ground forces.
>> > Both are necessary. Stingers for air and Javelins for ground.
>> > As i said
> in another post, they should now have thousands of them, but only
> reported hundreds of hits. Javelins are reported to have 90% kill
> rate. So, they should still have 90% unused. What are they
> waiting for, regarding the siting ducks (tanks) 15 miles north of
> Kiev.
>> Are you volunteering to take a Javelin or two to the tanks and
>> see if you
> can hit one before they kill you?
>
> Yes, i'll do that in Taiwan. I won't fight in Ukraine, but
> perhaps Taiwan.
>
> Did you know that Javelins are mini-smart drones? Plenty of time
> to evacuate before onboard motor ignition.
>

There are missiles with hover time, but the Javelin is not one. It
is meant to be fired at a SELECTED target, and that is what it takes
out. It travels up and then down into the target to add even more
kinetic force on impact and detonation.

The Tomahawk Cruise missile is capable of limited hover time and
limited target redesignation.

Ther are high altitude plane launched missiles which can fly for a
while before a target selection is made.

No need though... those are air to air. This situation only would
need immediate strike packages like Hellfire missiles and Javelins.