On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 2:54:53 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> The U.S. is a big country. All numbers are big. Is "nearly 1000" [cyclist] deaths
> cause for scaring people away from cycling, or convincing them to buy
> ineffective protective measures? Then why is the same logic not applied
> to the 6500+ pedestrians who die each year, or the ~40,000 motorist
> fatalities?
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>
Right, let's analyse Franki-boy Krygowski's cynical disregard for the lives of cyclists. First of all, he wants us to go save "the 6500+ pedestrians who die each year, or the ~40,000 motorist fatalities". This is just smoke he blows in our eyes. Pedestrians and motorists are not our constituency: cyclists are our constituency (with the exception that Franki-fascist isn't one of us or he wouldn't have such a cavalier attitude to the lives of cyclists who could be saved). Try this on, to understand how ridiculous this argument of Krygowski is: say we buckle under to this stupid fascist argument of Krygowski that individual cyclists, with whom we have common cause, count for nothing against the mass mob of motorists, and we save as many of the walkers and drivers as is possible, and prove that it is not possible to save the rest, then Franki-boy simply shifts his argument to the pedestrians and motorists of every other country in the world, and from there he puts on us the duty of saving all the famished in the world, and whoever he can think up who should be our next cause, and the next, until even the dumbest cyclists grasp that in Krygowski's worldview cyclists never get a turn to live.
>
Why do cyclists' lives matter nothing in Krygowski's fallacious "reasoning"?
>
Andre Jute
Frank Krygowski's disdain for the lives of cyclists is not the only reason I conclude he is malicious scum, but it is among the most serious reasons.

Okay, now we have enough numbers to put a price in cyclist deaths on Frank Krygowski’s sinister political disdain for the lives of cyclists. Let’s see Krygowski’s Big Lie:

> The U.S. is a big country. All numbers are big. Is "nearly 1000" [cyclist] deaths
> cause for scaring people away from cycling, or convincing them to buy
> ineffective protective measures
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

Let’s accept Krygowski’s Big Number of “’nearly 1000’ [cyclist] deaths” at face value. I have demonstrated above that a full-universe count of eight years of cycling fatalities in New York will project conservatively onto the national scene as one third of cyclist lives which would otherwise be lost saved by helmets. So helmets are not, as Krygowski claims, an “ineffective protective measure”. Quite contrary, at the existential limit of possibilities and probabilities, a bicycle helmet could save a further 333 cyclist lives. Or more.

So, the bee in Krygowski’s bonnet costs a minimum of 333 cyclist lives. Every year, and growing.

QED.

Now you see why I call Krygowski “scum”. He’s a murderer at one remove, as are all the anti-helmet zealots,

Andre Jute
“Jute has clearly conducted a great deal of research into everything he describes… His moral and ecological concerns are important.” -- Times Literary Supplement

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:03:53 AM UTC-4, shit stain wrote:
>
> >
< yet more perversion of life in general>

It must be so painful to have someone living rent free in your head to the extent that you have to dedicate a discussion to them, in which you reply to yourself twice, making less sense with each deluded posting.

Nothing but more jutestench.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:07:56 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> Okay, now we have enough numbers to put a price in cyclist deaths on Frank Krygowski’s sinister political disdain for the lives of cyclists. Let’s see Krygowski’s Big Lie:
> > The U.S. is a big country. All numbers are big. Is "nearly 1000" [cyclist] deaths
> > cause for scaring people away from cycling, or convincing them to buy
> > ineffective protective measures
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
>
> Let’s accept Krygowski’s Big Number of “’nearly 1000’ [cyclist] deaths” at face value. I have demonstrated above that a full-universe count of eight years of cycling fatalities in New York will project conservatively onto the national scene as one third of cyclist lives which would otherwise be lost saved by helmets. So helmets are not, as Krygowski claims, an “ineffective protective measure”. Quite contrary, at the existential limit of possibilities and probabilities, a bicycle helmet could save a further 333 cyclist lives. Or more.
>
> So, the bee in Krygowski’s bonnet costs a minimum of 333 cyclist lives. Every year, and growing.
>
> QED.
>
> Now you see why I call Krygowski “scum”. He’s a murderer at one remove, as are all the anti-helmet zealots,
>
> Andre Jute
> “Jute has clearly conducted a great deal of research into everything he describes… His moral and ecological concerns are important.” -- Times Literary Supplement
The case for helmets is simple - better to err on the side of caution but it is YOUR decision via the first Amendment.

The case against helmets? Frank has told us that he takes the road and doesn't let cars past. This will inevitably lead to a driver running over Frank and killing him. Oh, frabjous day calloo calla.

On 9/26/2023 3:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:07:56 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> Okay, now we have enough numbers to put a price in cyclist deaths on Frank Krygowski’s sinister political disdain for the lives of cyclists. Let’s see Krygowski’s Big Lie:
>>> The U.S. is a big country. All numbers are big. Is "nearly 1000" [cyclist] deaths
>>> cause for scaring people away from cycling, or convincing them to buy
>>> ineffective protective measures
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>> Let’s accept Krygowski’s Big Number of “’nearly 1000’ [cyclist] deaths” at face value. I have demonstrated above that a full-universe count of eight years of cycling fatalities in New York will project conservatively onto the national scene as one third of cyclist lives which would otherwise be lost saved by helmets. So helmets are not, as Krygowski claims, an “ineffective protective measure”. Quite contrary, at the existential limit of possibilities and probabilities, a bicycle helmet could save a further 333 cyclist lives. Or more.
>>
>> So, the bee in Krygowski’s bonnet costs a minimum of 333 cyclist lives. Every year, and growing.
>>
>> QED.
>>
>> Now you see why I call Krygowski “scum”. He’s a murderer at one remove, as are all the anti-helmet zealots,
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> “Jute has clearly conducted a great deal of research into everything he describes… His moral and ecological concerns are important.” -- Times Literary Supplement
> The case for helmets is simple - better to err on the side of caution but it is YOUR decision via the first Amendment.
>
> The case against helmets? Frank has told us that he takes the road and doesn't let cars past. This will inevitably lead to a driver running over Frank and killing him. Oh, frabjous day calloo calla.

It is your choice but not a First Amendment issue.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances."

That's it. Succinct and clear, albeit a bit vague about
headgear, Sikh turbans notwithstanding.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:27:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>That's it. Succinct and clear, albeit a bit vague about
>headgear, Sikh turbans notwithstanding.

One must have faith in the protective headgear:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=kippah&tbm=isch>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 9/26/2023 4:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> The case for helmets is simple - better to err on the side of caution but it is YOUR decision via the first Amendment.

?? I don't recall that in the First Amendment. Care to explain?

> The case against helmets? Frank has told us that he takes the road and doesn't let cars past. This will inevitably lead to a driver running over Frank and killing him.

Ah, Tom! First, motorists are free to pass me in the same lane _when
it's safe_. If it's not safe - e.g. when the lane is too narrow to
safely share - I ride lane center, as the law allows. Then the motorists
are free to pass me using the next lane.

I frequently ask this: What do _you_ do if you're riding in a ten foot
lane and an 8.5 foot wide truck comes up behind?

IIRC, you've never answered.

In any case, a helmet has nothing to do with this situation. If you
squeeze into the gutter to let that truck pass and the trucker misjudges
clearance, your foam hat will not keep the rear wheels from squashing
your head.

> Oh, frabjous day calloo calla.

You have spelling errors. I'm hoping Mr. Carroll's ghost steps out of
your mirror to educate you.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 9/26/2023 5:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:27:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> That's it. Succinct and clear, albeit a bit vague about
>> headgear, Sikh turbans notwithstanding.
>
> One must have faith in the protective headgear:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=kippah&tbm=isch>

Are any CPSC certified to (barely) protect against a 14 mph impact?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:27:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/26/2023 3:09 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:07:56?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> Okay, now we have enough numbers to put a price in cyclist deaths on Frank Krygowski’s sinister political disdain for the lives of cyclists. Let’s see Krygowski’s Big Lie:
>>>> The U.S. is a big country. All numbers are big. Is "nearly 1000" [cyclist] deaths
>>>> cause for scaring people away from cycling, or convincing them to buy
>>>> ineffective protective measures
>>>> --
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>> Let’s accept Krygowski’s Big Number of “’nearly 1000’ [cyclist] deaths” at face value. I have demonstrated above that a full-universe count of eight years of cycling fatalities in New York will project conservatively onto the national scene as one third of cyclist lives which would otherwise be lost saved by helmets. So helmets are not, as Krygowski claims, an “ineffective protective measure”. Quite contrary, at the existential limit of possibilities and probabilities, a bicycle helmet could save a further 333 cyclist lives. Or more.
>>>
>>> So, the bee in Krygowski’s bonnet costs a minimum of 333 cyclist lives. Every year, and growing.
>>>
>>> QED.
>>>
>>> Now you see why I call Krygowski “scum”. He’s a murderer at one remove, as are all the anti-helmet zealots,
>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> “Jute has clearly conducted a great deal of research into everything he describes… His moral and ecological concerns are important.” -- Times Literary Supplement
>> The case for helmets is simple - better to err on the side of caution but it is YOUR decision via the first Amendment.
>>
>> The case against helmets? Frank has told us that he takes the road and doesn't let cars past. This will inevitably lead to a driver running over Frank and killing him. Oh, frabjous day calloo calla.
>
>It is your choice but not a First Amendment issue.
>
>"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
>religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
>abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
>right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
>the Government for a redress of grievances."
>
>That's it. Succinct and clear, albeit a bit vague about
>headgear, Sikh turbans notwithstanding.

I'm not an expert in the Sikh religion but I believe that the "no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof" probably covers wearing a turban (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:29:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/26/2023 5:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:27:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> That's it. Succinct and clear, albeit a bit vague about
>>> headgear, Sikh turbans notwithstanding.
>>
>> One must have faith in the protective headgear:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=kippah&tbm=isch>

>Are any CPSC certified to (barely) protect against a 14 mph impact?

I don't "recall". Perhaps one of these safety devices?
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Bicycle-Safety.jpg>

You have it backwards. The CPSC certifies the failures and not those
products that actually work as advertised:
<https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls>
The recall list for Shimano:
<https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls?tabset=on&search_combined_fields=Shimano&field_rc_hazards_target_id=All&field_rc_recall_by_product_target_id=All>
<https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/information/customer-services.html>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:18:56 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:27:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>That's it. Succinct and clear, albeit a bit vague about
>>headgear, Sikh turbans notwithstanding.
>
>One must have faith in the protective headgear:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=kippah&tbm=isch>

Middle Eastern religions seem to cover their head while Far Eastern,
i.e., Buddhists uncover theirs (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/26/2023 9:09 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:29:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/26/2023 5:18 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:27:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's it. Succinct and clear, albeit a bit vague about
>>>> headgear, Sikh turbans notwithstanding.
>>>
>>> One must have faith in the protective headgear:
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=kippah&tbm=isch>
>
>> Are any CPSC certified to (barely) protect against a 14 mph impact?
>
> I don't "recall". Perhaps one of these safety devices?
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Bicycle-Safety.jpg>
>
> You have it backwards. The CPSC certifies the failures and not those
> products that actually work as advertised:
> <https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls>
> The recall list for Shimano:
> <https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls?tabset=on&search_combined_fields=Shimano&field_rc_hazards_target_id=All&field_rc_recall_by_product_target_id=All>
> <https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/information/customer-services.html>

CPSC does control the mandatory standard for U.S. bike helmets:
https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/1999/CPSC-Issues-New-Safety-Standard-for-Bike-Helmets

It's not stated there, but the standard is based on "protecting" a
decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:09:54 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:07:56 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > Okay, now we have enough numbers to put a price in cyclist deaths on Frank Krygowski’s sinister political disdain for the lives of cyclists. Let’s see Krygowski’s Big Lie:
> > > The U.S. is a big country. All numbers are big. Is "nearly 1000" [cyclist] deaths
> > > cause for scaring people away from cycling, or convincing them to buy
> > > ineffective protective measures
> > > --
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> > Let’s accept Krygowski’s Big Number of “’nearly 1000’ [cyclist] deaths” at face value. I have demonstrated above that a full-universe count of eight years of cycling fatalities in New York will project conservatively onto the national scene as one third of cyclist lives which would otherwise be lost saved by helmets. So helmets are not, as Krygowski claims, an “ineffective protective measure”. Quite contrary, at the existential limit of possibilities and probabilities, a bicycle helmet could save a further 333 cyclist lives. Or more.
> >
> > So, the bee in Krygowski’s bonnet costs a minimum of 333 cyclist lives. Every year, and growing.
> >
> > QED.
> >
> > Now you see why I call Krygowski “scum”. He’s a murderer at one remove, as are all the anti-helmet zealots,
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > “Jute has clearly conducted a great deal of research into everything he describes… His moral and ecological concerns are important..” -- Times Literary Supplement
> The case for helmets is simple - better to err on the side of caution but it is YOUR decision via the first Amendment.
>
It's funny how the global warmies are so hot on the precautionary principle for themselves but how the same monkeys totally deny the precautionary principle when not even an instant later they become anti-helmet zealots.
>
> The case against helmets? Frank has told us that he takes the road and doesn't let cars past. This will inevitably lead to a driver running over Frank and killing him. Oh, frabjous day calloo calla.
>
Heh-heh! But I'm not keen on hurrying the day. Krygowski is the essence of leftist evil in a blandly boring envelope, more useful alive as an example than dead as worm-food.
>
Andre Jute
Conservationist
>

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:35:27 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:03:53 AM UTC-4, shit stain wrote:
> >
> > >
> < yet more perversion of life in general>
>
> It must be so painful to have someone living rent free in your head to the extent that you have to dedicate a discussion to them, in which you reply to yourself twice, making less sense with each deluded posting.
>
> Nothing but more jutestench.
>
Yo, cowardly anonymous monkeyface, that your intelligence is proportionate to your lack of height isn't my problem. In 13 years no one has contested my numbers (they came from your government, link in my second post in this thread) or my logic and conclusions. You're welcome to try, of course, and I'll roll over you and tomorrow have to ask which one of the chattering monkeys you were. Meanwhile, all you have is generic abuse. It suits you well.
>
Andre Jute
Teflon
>

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:05 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> [The American CPSC] standard is based on "protecting" a
> decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>
Since that standard for bicycle helmets ruled over the period in which the New York Bicycle Accident Fatalities were counted, even with that helmet approximately one third of the bicycle fatalities you so casually dismiss can live. So tell us, Franki-boy, why you don't want to save the lives of 333 cyclists?
>
Andre Jute
Just the fax, mam.
>

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:39:42 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:35:27 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:03:53 AM UTC-4, shit stain wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > < yet more perversion of life in general>
> >
> > It must be so painful to have someone living rent free in your head to the extent that you have to dedicate a discussion to them, in which you reply to yourself twice, making less sense with each deluded posting.
> >
> > Nothing but more jutestench.
> >
> Yo, cowardly anonymous monkeyface, that your intelligence is proportionate to your lack of height isn't my problem. In 13 years no one has contested my numbers (they came from your government, link in my second post in this thread) or my logic and conclusions. You're welcome to try, of course, and I'll roll over you and tomorrow have to ask which one of the chattering monkeys you were. Meanwhile, all you have is generic abuse. It suits you well..
> >
> Andre Jute
> Teflon
> >
The comments from the Stupid 4 are angry because they simply can't get their way. Flunky is in love with Liebermann and that is clear. They are in total agreement on every point that Liebermann wants to make. Flunky isn't even smart enough to understand the stupid things Liebermann says but like all good little queers is willing to hold hands with his wannabe boy friend. That is so obvious that non-homosexuals could see it with a stick.

I have repeatedly asked Scharf what he has EVER done to believe that there are experts and non-experts who cannot hold precisely the same ideas and opinions. He is so stupid he doesn't even understand the question.

Krygowski is a complete lost cause. Holding the power of a grade over student's heads if they dared to disagree with him gave him the total belief that he is king of all he surveys and he viciously hates the slightest sign of disagreement. Not to mention he is nothing more than a filthy little communist as long as it isn't his money being redistributed. I read a study one time that said that MOST people would rather live in abject poverty, starving slowly to death than to make a good living but someone else doing better than they. Frank, Liebermann and Flunky are perfect examples of this. Because I was actually a successful engineer all they can respond with is that somehow I am lying. Poor sick little nobodies.

Slow-come doesn't care that Frank hates his guts and will happily agree with Frank because he cannot stand that I see him for exactly what he is - a pretender that wants to be king in Frank's stead. That he and Liebermann's entire intellectual property is cutting and pasting Google articles is so comical that Liebermann doesn't even see even his so-called friends laughing up their sleeves. Relax Liebermann - at least you will always have the support of your wannabe lover, Flunky.

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:55:25 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:05 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> > [The American CPSC] standard is based on "protecting" a
> > decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact..
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Since that standard for bicycle helmets ruled over the period in which the New York Bicycle Accident Fatalities were counted, even with that helmet approximately one third of the bicycle fatalities you so casually dismiss can live. So tell us, Franki-boy, why you don't want to save the lives of 333 cyclists?
> >
> Andre Jute
> Just the fax, mam.
> >
Because most of them have minds of their own and so would not agree with him.

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:02:34 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:55:25 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:05 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >
> > > [The American CPSC] standard is based on "protecting" a
> > > decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact.
> > >
> > > --
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > Since that standard for bicycle helmets ruled over the period in which the New York Bicycle Accident Fatalities were counted, even with that helmet approximately one third of the bicycle fatalities you so casually dismiss can live. So tell us, Franki-boy, why you don't want to save the lives of 333 cyclists?
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > Just the fax, mam.
> > >
> Because most of them have minds of their own and so would not agree with him.
>
That's a shocking thing to hear about anyone, even the enemies of free speech like Krygowski.
>
But I suppose it is one of those "inevitabilities" that Marxists believe in.. Krygowski is a follower of Forester, who believed in a clearway for the elite of expert commuters, and wanted all other cyclists, and especially slower riders, to get the hell out of his way. For a certain class of psychopath, it's a short step from there to wishing them dead, especially with a little help from the global warmies, who want to reduce the earth's population by whatever means come to hand.
>
Andre Jute
The knee bone is attached to the thighbone, and the thighbone is...
>

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:02:34?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:55:25?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:05?AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > >
>> > > [The American CPSC] standard is based on "protecting" a
>> > > decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > - Frank Krygowski
>> > >
>> > Since that standard for bicycle helmets ruled over the period in which the New York Bicycle Accident Fatalities were counted, even with that helmet approximately one third of the bicycle fatalities you so casually dismiss can live. So tell us, Franki-boy, why you don't want to save the lives of 333 cyclists?
>> > >
>> > Andre Jute
>> > Just the fax, mam.
>> > >
>> Because most of them have minds of their own and so would not agree with him.
>>
>That's a shocking thing to hear about anyone, even the enemies of free speech like Krygowski.
>>
>But I suppose it is one of those "inevitabilities" that Marxists believe in. Krygowski is a follower of Forester, who believed in a clearway for the elite of expert commuters, and wanted all other cyclists, and especially slower riders, to get the hell out of his way. For a certain class of psychopath, it's a short step from there to wishing them dead, especially with a little help from the global warmies, who want to reduce the earth's population by whatever means come to hand.
>>
>Andre Jute
>The knee bone is attached to the thighbone, and the thighbone is...
>>

I actually looked up that guy (John Forester) after Krygowski asked me
if I'd read his book. I hadn't of course, nor had I, nor will I, read
any books about how to ride bicycles, since I'm well versed on how to
ride bicycles.

I have few problems with bicyclists sharing the road with cars and
trucks whenever the bicyclist sees that it's in his best interest to
do so. I've done it myself, many times, but I often, nowdays more then
ever, see that it's in my interest to ride where vehicles are not
allowed to go.

Jackasses like John Forester and his jackass followers are intent upon
taking away my choice to do that. Thank goodnesss their efforts are
failing. Here in west central Florida, trails and paths that prohibit
vehicle traffic are springing up all over.

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:03:25 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:02:34 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:55:25 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:05 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [The American CPSC] standard is based on "protecting" a
> > > > decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > - Frank Krygowski
> > > >
> > > Since that standard for bicycle helmets ruled over the period in which the New York Bicycle Accident Fatalities were counted, even with that helmet approximately one third of the bicycle fatalities you so casually dismiss can live. So tell us, Franki-boy, why you don't want to save the lives of 333 cyclists?
> > > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Just the fax, mam.
> > > >
> > Because most of them have minds of their own and so would not agree with him.
> >
> That's a shocking thing to hear about anyone, even the enemies of free speech like Krygowski.
> >
> But I suppose it is one of those "inevitabilities" that Marxists believe in. Krygowski is a follower of Forester, who believed in a clearway for the elite of expert commuters, and wanted all other cyclists, and especially slower riders, to get the hell out of his way. For a certain class of psychopath, it's a short step from there to wishing them dead, especially with a little help from the global warmies, who want to reduce the earth's population by whatever means come to hand.
> >
> Andre Jute
> The knee bone is attached to the thighbone, and the thighbone is...
> >

One of the recent Swedish studies appears to be saying that the mRNA vaccines has caused as much as 37% of women to have serious reproduction harm. This is the sort of thing that the Stupid 4 approve of.

On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:10:35 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:02:34?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:55:25?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:05?AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > [The American CPSC] standard is based on "protecting" a
> >> > > decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > - Frank Krygowski
> >> > >
> >> > Since that standard for bicycle helmets ruled over the period in which the New York Bicycle Accident Fatalities were counted, even with that helmet approximately one third of the bicycle fatalities you so casually dismiss can live. So tell us, Franki-boy, why you don't want to save the lives of 333 cyclists?
> >> > >
> >> > Andre Jute
> >> > Just the fax, mam.
> >> > >
> >> Because most of them have minds of their own and so would not agree with him.
> >>
> >That's a shocking thing to hear about anyone, even the enemies of free speech like Krygowski.
> >>
> >But I suppose it is one of those "inevitabilities" that Marxists believe in. Krygowski is a follower of Forester, who believed in a clearway for the elite of expert commuters, and wanted all other cyclists, and especially slower riders, to get the hell out of his way. For a certain class of psychopath, it's a short step from there to wishing them dead, especially with a little help from the global warmies, who want to reduce the earth's population by whatever means come to hand.
> >>
> >Andre Jute
> >The knee bone is attached to the thighbone, and the thighbone is...
> >>
> I actually looked up that guy (John Forester) after Krygowski asked me
> if I'd read his book. I hadn't of course, nor had I, nor will I, read
> any books about how to ride bicycles, since I'm well versed on how to
> ride bicycles.
>
> I have few problems with bicyclists sharing the road with cars and
> trucks whenever the bicyclist sees that it's in his best interest to
> do so. I've done it myself, many times, but I often, nowdays more then
> ever, see that it's in my interest to ride where vehicles are not
> allowed to go.
>
> Jackasses like John Forester and his jackass followers are intent upon
> taking away my choice to do that. Thank goodnesss their efforts are
> failing. Here in west central Florida, trails and paths that prohibit
> vehicle traffic are springing up all over.

I have John's book around here somewhere. When you have several hundred books in the house it is difficult to find one in particular. John was not much of a sport rider but more in the realm of Krygowski but with manners. Sooner or later Frank's belief that he is special will get him run over and even his wife won't miss him.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 08:07:08 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 2:10:35?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:03:23 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:02:34?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:55:25?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:05?AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > [The American CPSC] standard is based on "protecting" a
>> >> > > decapitated human head (or a magnesium model of one) in a ~14mph impact.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > - Frank Krygowski
>> >> > >
>> >> > Since that standard for bicycle helmets ruled over the period in which the New York Bicycle Accident Fatalities were counted, even with that helmet approximately one third of the bicycle fatalities you so casually dismiss can live. So tell us, Franki-boy, why you don't want to save the lives of 333 cyclists?
>> >> > >
>> >> > Andre Jute
>> >> > Just the fax, mam.
>> >> > >
>> >> Because most of them have minds of their own and so would not agree with him.
>> >>
>> >That's a shocking thing to hear about anyone, even the enemies of free speech like Krygowski.
>> >>
>> >But I suppose it is one of those "inevitabilities" that Marxists believe in. Krygowski is a follower of Forester, who believed in a clearway for the elite of expert commuters, and wanted all other cyclists, and especially slower riders, to get the hell out of his way. For a certain class of psychopath, it's a short step from there to wishing them dead, especially with a little help from the global warmies, who want to reduce the earth's population by whatever means come to hand.
>> >>
>> >Andre Jute
>> >The knee bone is attached to the thighbone, and the thighbone is...
>> >>
>> I actually looked up that guy (John Forester) after Krygowski asked me
>> if I'd read his book. I hadn't of course, nor had I, nor will I, read
>> any books about how to ride bicycles, since I'm well versed on how to
>> ride bicycles.
>>
>> I have few problems with bicyclists sharing the road with cars and
>> trucks whenever the bicyclist sees that it's in his best interest to
>> do so. I've done it myself, many times, but I often, nowdays more then
>> ever, see that it's in my interest to ride where vehicles are not
>> allowed to go.
>>
>> Jackasses like John Forester and his jackass followers are intent upon
>> taking away my choice to do that. Thank goodnesss their efforts are
>> failing. Here in west central Florida, trails and paths that prohibit
>> vehicle traffic are springing up all over.
>
>I have John's book around here somewhere.

I don't. The only bicycle related books, pamplets, websites, etc, that
I want to see are about building, fixing and maintaining bicycles.

I'm not interested in anyone who wants to advise me about when, where,
what, and how to ride bikes.

On 9/28/2023 2:48 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>
> I'm not interested in anyone who wants to advise me about when, where,
> what, and how to ride bikes.

Such dedication to ignorance!

If ignorance really were bliss, our Florida tricycle rider wouldn't be
so grumpy all the time. :-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:54:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/28/2023 2:48 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> I'm not interested in anyone who wants to advise me about when, where,
>> what, and how to ride bikes.
>
>Such dedication to ignorance!

Ignorance is when a person doesn't know what he needs to know. I
already know everything I need to know about riding a bicycle

>If ignorance really were bliss, our Florida tricycle rider wouldn't be
>so grumpy all the time. :-)

The irony bell rings again... see below:

"The tricycle rider has carefully omitted that my questions above were
in direct response to _HIS_ bragging: "BY the way, I grew up and spent
many hours riding on roads, so I have all the courage and experience I
need. Probably more than you."

I was naturally curious about the "probably more than you." Was this
really someone who knows about riding in the real world? So I asked
for details. And I got no details. "

Frank Krygowski

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/AiTZjdi5RDc/m/hdWvvjytAAAJ

Krygowski whines because I ignored his demands for my personal
information.....

Also note that Krygowski apparently believes that it's a "normal"
thing to demand other's personal information.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 16:36:24 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:54:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 9/28/2023 2:48 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in anyone who wants to advise me about when, where,
>>> what, and how to ride bikes.
>>
>>Such dedication to ignorance!
>
>Ignorance is when a person doesn't know what he needs to know. I
>already know everything I need to know about riding a bicycle
>
>>If ignorance really were bliss, our Florida tricycle rider wouldn't be
>>so grumpy all the time. :-)
>
>The irony bell rings again... see below:
>
>"The tricycle rider has carefully omitted that my questions above were
>in direct response to _HIS_ bragging: "BY the way, I grew up and spent
>many hours riding on roads, so I have all the courage and experience I
>need. Probably more than you."
>
>I was naturally curious about the "probably more than you." Was this
>really someone who knows about riding in the real world? So I asked
>for details. And I got no details. "
>
>Frank Krygowski
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/AiTZjdi5RDc/m/hdWvvjytAAAJ
>
>Krygowski whines because I ignored his demands for my personal
>information.....
>
>Also note that Krygowski apparently believes that it's a "normal"
>thing to demand other's personal information.

....so here's some personal information...

I lived for a while at what is now called Little Harbor
Marina near Ruskin Florida. The marina was much simpler
than it is today and I had no phone nor internet access
on my boat.

I road my bicycle three and a half miles to and from
Ruskin two or three times a week to visit the library,
post office, and buy groceries and supplies. The boat
had a tiny refrigerator and an even tinier freezer
compartment about the size of an ice tray compartment.
As a result, I needed to restock regularly and I could
carry a six pack of beer, meat and veggies on my Giant
bicycle with a couple of canvas bags hanging on the
handlebars.

There was a small broken up sidewalk along Shell
Pont road, (Google maps tell me it's been improved, now)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ficPR1T8U5gJ2toJ7

so I always rode on the road.

I remember once a couple of guys driving behind me, furiously
honking their horn, instead of passing me. When they finally
did pass, they stopped, one guy got out of the car waving a
stick, and screaming that I had no business on the road.

That's when I first carried a gun. It was my big heavy Ruger
p94 .40 caliber that I carried awkwardly in a shoulder holster
under my mostly unbuttoned shirt, clearly visible as I rode
the bike. I still don't know if it was legal back then.