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* cloud computingJohn Larkin
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 by: John Larkin - Tue, 29 Mar 2022 23:12 UTC

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4xrk9930xepg9w/Cloud_Computing.jpg?raw=1

The big one is SalesForce Tower, over 1000 ft high and over a billion
dollars. It is about 10% occupied now.

The population of San Francisco is down about 7% from pre-virus. This
could be a good time to hire an engineer or two.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

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 by: bitrex - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 02:38 UTC

On 3/29/2022 7:12 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4xrk9930xepg9w/Cloud_Computing.jpg?raw=1
>
> The big one is SalesForce Tower, over 1000 ft high and over a billion
> dollars. It is about 10% occupied now.

So that means they must've lowered the price 90% on the vacant space, yeah?

Haha just kidding that didn't happen. They probably noticed falling
demand and raised rents, lol

> The population of San Francisco is down about 7% from pre-virus. This
> could be a good time to hire an engineer or two.

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07 UTC

On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:12:26 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<b6474h96b8ovcupach3nk4u245um6ufrn9@4ax.com>:

>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4xrk9930xepg9w/Cloud_Computing.jpg?raw=1
>
>The big one is SalesForce Tower, over 1000 ft high and over a billion
>dollars. It is about 10% occupied now.
>
>The population of San Francisco is down about 7% from pre-virus. This
>could be a good time to hire an engineer or two.

What are those funny wires for, crossing that road?

All is underground over here, apart from HV lines.

Is Joe B. gonna fix that?

Here they start housing Ukrain refugees in empty office spaces...

Got some iodine pills yesterday, just in case things go nuculear.
Anyways after Chernobyl I have probably build up resistance.

Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:14 UTC

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07:04 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:12:26 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
><b6474h96b8ovcupach3nk4u245um6ufrn9@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4xrk9930xepg9w/Cloud_Computing.jpg?raw=1
>>
>>The big one is SalesForce Tower, over 1000 ft high and over a billion
>>dollars. It is about 10% occupied now.
>>
>>The population of San Francisco is down about 7% from pre-virus. This
>>could be a good time to hire an engineer or two.
>
>
>What are those funny wires for, crossing that road?

Three-phase power, obviously. That footbridge is a popular place to
take pictures of downtown. I assume that serious people photoshop the
wires out. Strangely, there are underpasses, city streets, under those
wires.

I shot through a chain link fence with my phone. People with real
cameras cut holes in the fence for their big lenses.

I am collecting a photo album of the most hideous overhead wiring in
San Francisco; so many to choose from. I'll post a link eventually.

The land here is mostly rock, so trenching is expensive. Stuff is
underground at work, and we would have paid a fortune to dig up the
street and get fiber internet, so we have a MonkeyBrains dish.

>
>All is underground over here, apart from HV lines.
>
>Is Joe B. gonna fix that?
>
>Here they start housing Ukrain refugees in empty office spaces...

Good idea. We have lots of those, with company restaurants and coffee
bars.

>
>Got some iodine pills yesterday, just in case things go nuculear.
>Anyways after Chernobyl I have probably build up resistance.
>
>Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?

People knew he was always stupid, always wrong, always corrupt, and
now senile.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

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 by: Bob Engelhardt - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:26 UTC

On 3/30/2022 3:07 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> ...
> Is Joe B. gonna fix that?
>...
> Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>

You are being annoying by bringing that crap into SED. If you want a
pissing contest, then there are forums devoted to such. But since you
bring it up, WhyTF do you care about US politics when you're in the
Netherlands (aren't you)?

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 by: Bob Engelhardt - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:43 UTC

On 3/30/2022 11:14 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07:04 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>...
>> Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>
> People knew he was always stupid, always wrong, always corrupt, and
> now senile.

You too?! SED is remarkably free of such silly, childish, pissing
contests. Let's keep it that way. If you don't mind!

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:58 UTC

On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:26:50 -0400) it happened Bob Engelhardt
<BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in <_E_0K.300232$Lbb6.123777@fx45.iad>:

>On 3/30/2022 3:07 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> ...
>> Is Joe B. gonna fix that?
>>...
>> Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>>
>
>You are being annoying by bringing that crap into SED. If you want a
>pissing contest, then there are forums devoted to such. But since you
>bring it up, WhyTF do you care about US politics when you're in the
>Netherlands (aren't you)?

Oh, SED is mostly of topic so what.
As to what I care about US, you goddamned warmongers and your fanatic brain dead leader
Joe Biden make war here in Europe by provoking Russia no end.
All for the weapon sales of your US criminal Military Industrial Complex
About time that got nuked into oblivion.

First you did Agent Orange in Vietnam,
You invaded Iraq and used depleted uranium ammo
then you had, in fear for yourself, covid
designed in foreign labs, backfired on you idiots did it not?
And you were doing the same in Ukrainian labs.
The list of war crimes by the puppets of your Military Industrial Complex is endless, all for the money
If you do not like what I write then do not read it, nevertheless it may wake your brain if you have one
and perhaps prevent you from supporting those criminals that played the blacks and other minorities to gain power and look what you
have as fuel prices now
America is a burden on the word now.
Stealing as the dollar is not worth the paper it is printed on with your ever bigger debt.
Sanctions.

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:05 UTC

On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Mar 2022 08:14:58 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<dcs84h1knocifnncb0pul7mgpo0p115k8g@4ax.com>:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07:04 GMT, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:12:26 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>><b6474h96b8ovcupach3nk4u245um6ufrn9@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4xrk9930xepg9w/Cloud_Computing.jpg?raw=1
>>>
>>>The big one is SalesForce Tower, over 1000 ft high and over a billion
>>>dollars. It is about 10% occupied now.
>>>
>>>The population of San Francisco is down about 7% from pre-virus. This
>>>could be a good time to hire an engineer or two.
>>
>>
>>What are those funny wires for, crossing that road?
>
>Three-phase power, obviously. That footbridge is a popular place to
>take pictures of downtown. I assume that serious people photoshop the
>wires out. Strangely, there are underpasses, city streets, under those
>wires.
>
>I shot through a chain link fence with my phone. People with real
>cameras cut holes in the fence for their big lenses.
>
>I am collecting a photo album of the most hideous overhead wiring in
>San Francisco; so many to choose from. I'll post a link eventually.
>
>The land here is mostly rock, so trenching is expensive. Stuff is
>underground at work, and we would have paid a fortune to dig up the
>street and get fiber internet, so we have a MonkeyBrains dish.
>
>>
>>All is underground over here, apart from HV lines.
>>
>>Is Joe B. gonna fix that?
>>
>>Here they start housing Ukrain refugees in empty office spaces...
>
>Good idea. We have lots of those, with company restaurants and coffee
>bars.
>
>>
>>Got some iodine pills yesterday, just in case things go nuculear.
>>Anyways after Chernobyl I have probably build up resistance.
>>
>>Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>
>People knew he was always stupid, always wrong, always corrupt, and
>now senile.

I just did read he asked for the bigest military budget ever:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/defense-budget-biden-administration/index.html

with that debt some countries will have to buy those bonds...
Makes no sense ;-)

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:22 UTC

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:43:45 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
<BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 3/30/2022 11:14 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07:04 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>...
>>> Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>>
>> People knew he was always stupid, always wrong, always corrupt, and
>> now senile.
>
>You too?! SED is remarkably free of such silly, childish, pissing
>contests. Let's keep it that way. If you don't mind!

Post something about electronic design.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

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 by: bitrex - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:25 UTC

On 3/30/2022 12:05 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> I just did read he asked for the bigest military budget ever:
> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/defense-budget-biden-administration/index.html
>
> with that debt some countries will have to buy those bonds...
> Makes no sense ;-)
>

In the US wars just about anywhere always mean pork for the DOD and
austerity for most everyone else.

That is to say "they" take it out on the poor - always.

Relevant to the original topic of the thread, US cities are well on
their way to tracking the "development" of cities in the 3rd World like
Brazil or India or China, a city core of fabulous wealth surrounded by
the sprawling slums of the destitute.

Market proselytizers will nod and consider this an "efficient and
equitable allocation of resources" as all economists will either be
cryptocurrency hustlers or unemployed and living in the slums themselves
by that point.

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:28 UTC

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:05:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Mar 2022 08:14:58 -0700) it happened
>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
><dcs84h1knocifnncb0pul7mgpo0p115k8g@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07:04 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:12:26 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
>>><b6474h96b8ovcupach3nk4u245um6ufrn9@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4xrk9930xepg9w/Cloud_Computing.jpg?raw=1
>>>>
>>>>The big one is SalesForce Tower, over 1000 ft high and over a billion
>>>>dollars. It is about 10% occupied now.
>>>>
>>>>The population of San Francisco is down about 7% from pre-virus. This
>>>>could be a good time to hire an engineer or two.
>>>
>>>
>>>What are those funny wires for, crossing that road?
>>
>>Three-phase power, obviously. That footbridge is a popular place to
>>take pictures of downtown. I assume that serious people photoshop the
>>wires out. Strangely, there are underpasses, city streets, under those
>>wires.
>>
>>I shot through a chain link fence with my phone. People with real
>>cameras cut holes in the fence for their big lenses.
>>
>>I am collecting a photo album of the most hideous overhead wiring in
>>San Francisco; so many to choose from. I'll post a link eventually.
>>
>>The land here is mostly rock, so trenching is expensive. Stuff is
>>underground at work, and we would have paid a fortune to dig up the
>>street and get fiber internet, so we have a MonkeyBrains dish.
>>
>>>
>>>All is underground over here, apart from HV lines.
>>>
>>>Is Joe B. gonna fix that?
>>>
>>>Here they start housing Ukrain refugees in empty office spaces...
>>
>>Good idea. We have lots of those, with company restaurants and coffee
>>bars.
>>
>>>
>>>Got some iodine pills yesterday, just in case things go nuculear.
>>>Anyways after Chernobyl I have probably build up resistance.
>>>
>>>Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>>
>>People knew he was always stupid, always wrong, always corrupt, and
>>now senile.
>
>I just did read he asked for the bigest military budget ever:
> https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/defense-budget-biden-administration/index.html
>
>with that debt some countries will have to buy those bonds...
>Makes no sense ;-)

With an ever-increasing national debt, enabled by forced low interest
rates, the dollar has to collapse and the feds must eventually default
on the debt somehow.

The proposed tax on unrealized capital gains is just one more brick on
the wall that must collapse.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:51 UTC

On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Mar 2022 09:22:10 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
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>On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:43:45 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
><BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 3/30/2022 11:14 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07:04 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>...
>>>> Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>>>
>>> People knew he was always stupid, always wrong, always corrupt, and
>>> now senile.
>>
>>You too?! SED is remarkably free of such silly, childish, pissing
>>contests. Let's keep it that way. If you don't mind!
>
>Post something about electronic design.

As to electronics, I was testing a Raspberry Pi based PIC programmer I designd back in 2013..

Works, but is now a bunch of cables but can be made very small.
So I started designing and needed a 5 V to 12 V converter (from Raspi GPIO 5 V to 12 V to program the PIC)
and could not get the chips I wanted.. no stock...
So found this on ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/112855472220
1$73 a piece, cannot make it for that.

Ordered a few, but.. delivery:
do, 14 apr - vr, 17 jun

Anyways until then it needs an external wallwart.

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 17:05 UTC

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:51:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Mar 2022 09:22:10 -0700) it happened
>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
><ns094hpg0s9mgsdhvuli4hb6j9uru376vs@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:43:45 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
>><BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/30/2022 11:14 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 07:07:04 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>...
>>>>> Cannot you guys lock up Joe B. in one of those skyscrapers?
>>>>
>>>> People knew he was always stupid, always wrong, always corrupt, and
>>>> now senile.
>>>
>>>You too?! SED is remarkably free of such silly, childish, pissing
>>>contests. Let's keep it that way. If you don't mind!
>>
>>Post something about electronic design.
>
>As to electronics, I was testing a Raspberry Pi based PIC programmer I designd back in 2013..
>
>Works, but is now a bunch of cables but can be made very small.
>So I started designing and needed a 5 V to 12 V converter (from Raspi GPIO 5 V to 12 V to program the PIC)
>and could not get the chips I wanted.. no stock...
>So found this on ebay:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/112855472220
> 1$73 a piece, cannot make it for that.
>
>Ordered a few, but.. delivery:
>do, 14 apr - vr, 17 jun
>
>Anyways until then it needs an external wallwart.
>

We have been designing several products using eval boards, instead of
buying piece parts. LCDs, microZed, a few things like that.

Often we can get the eval boards overnight, when the parts on those
boards have 40 week lead times, and cost more than the eval board.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

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> >>>
> >>>You too?! SED is remarkably free of such silly, childish, pissing
> >>>contests. Let's keep it that way. If you don't mind!

> >>Post something about electronic design.
> >

Well Bob at this point I assume *every* thread in SED
is off topic, unless I see an electronic part or circuit
in the subject.

I wonder, is there a newsgroup reader program
smart enough to be programmed to filter out
threads with non-compliant subjects...?

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 by: Bob Engelhardt - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 21:07 UTC

On 3/30/2022 11:58 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
.... it may wake your brain if you have one...

Ad hominid is a sure sign of someone without a good argument.

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 by: Bob Engelhardt - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 21:14 UTC

On 3/30/2022 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> Post something about electronic design.

THAT's your defense?!

I'd rather have a quiet SED than blathering about someone's favorite
political scapegoat.

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 by: John Larkin - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 21:40 UTC

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 17:14:24 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
<BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 3/30/2022 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> Post something about electronic design.
>
>THAT's your defense?!

That is the topic here, that presumably you want everyone to stick
too.

Do you design electronics?

>
>I'd rather have a quiet SED than blathering about someone's favorite
>political scapegoat.

OK, now you are starting a flame war.

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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
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 by: Tabby - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 00:50 UTC

On Wednesday, 30 March 2022 at 17:22:20 UTC+1, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> Post something about electronic design.

With all the chip shortages I decided to build the next computer out of discretes. Got a fair number of relays on the shelves, and figured a good voltage pulse could speed em up. I'm finding they break down around 1kV, but my maths reckons I need more zeroes to get them doing a gigahertz. Any suggestions for getting them to survive a couple of megavolts?

:)

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Mon, 4 Apr 2022 01:09 UTC

On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 17:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Tabby <tabbypurr@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, 30 March 2022 at 17:22:20 UTC+1, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> Post something about electronic design.
>
>With all the chip shortages I decided to build the next computer out of discretes. Got a fair number of relays on the shelves, and figured a good voltage pulse could speed em up. I'm finding they break down around 1kV, but my maths reckons I need more zeroes to get them doing a gigahertz. Any suggestions for getting them to survive a couple of megavolts?
>
>:)

That's hilarious, in a way you probably didn't intend.

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On 4/3/2022 7:50 PM, Tabby wrote:
> On Wednesday, 30 March 2022 at 17:22:20 UTC+1, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> Post something about electronic design.
>
> With all the chip shortages I decided to build the next computer out of discretes. Got a fair number of relays on the shelves, and figured a good voltage pulse could speed em up. I'm finding they break down around 1kV, but my maths reckons I need more zeroes to get them doing a gigahertz. Any suggestions for getting them to survive a couple of megavolts?
>
> :)

Measure the characteristics of interest with a VNA and design some
compensating circuits. Owen Duffy (owenduffy.net) did that sort of thing.

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