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 by: John Larkin - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:40 UTC

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace

I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.

This

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382

talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
you can think.

--

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 by: bitrex - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 20:36 UTC

On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>
> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>
> This
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>
> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
> you can think.
>
>

I hear some figure they drive better that way, too

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 20:41 UTC

onsdag den 30. marts 2022 kl. 21.40.32 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>
> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>
> This
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>
> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
> you can think.

https://xkcd.com/323/

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 by: John Larkin - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 21:44 UTC

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>>
>> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
>> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>>
>> This
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>>
>> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
>> you can think.
>>
>>
>
>I hear some figure they drive better that way, too

That's possible, at the sub-0.1% level. Driving is more
millisecond-range instinct and reaction than rational thought.

I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:11 UTC

onsdag den 30. marts 2022 kl. 23.44.35 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> >On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
> >>
> >> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
> >> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
> >>
> >> This
> >>
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
> >>
> >> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
> >> you can think.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I hear some figure they drive better that way, too
> That's possible, at the sub-0.1% level.

unless you really meant to write per mil not per cent you are way off

> Driving is more
> millisecond-range instinct and reaction than rational thought.

alcohol increase reaction time
> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.

or you think you do, that is one of the effects of alcohol

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 by: John Larkin - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:02 UTC

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>onsdag den 30. marts 2022 kl. 23.44.35 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>> >>
>> >> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
>> >> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>> >>
>> >> This
>> >>
>> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>> >>
>> >> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
>> >> you can think.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >I hear some figure they drive better that way, too
>> That's possible, at the sub-0.1% level.
>
>unless you really meant to write per mil not per cent you are way off

The legal BAC limit for driving is 0.08% in California. That is
sub-0.1%.

What would "per mil" mean?

>
>> Driving is more
>> millisecond-range instinct and reaction than rational thought.
>
>alcohol increase reaction time

A lot sure does. Not all functions are monotonic.

>
>> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.
>
>or you think you do, that is one of the effects of alcohol

No, it's real, as verified by extensive experiment.

Read the Drunk book.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

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 by: Rickster - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:27 UTC

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 5:44:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> >On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
> >>
> >> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
> >> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
> >>
> >> This
> >>
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
> >>
> >> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
> >> you can think.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I hear some figure they drive better that way, too
> That's possible, at the sub-0.1% level. Driving is more
> millisecond-range instinct and reaction than rational thought.
>
> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.

You mean Roman Coke, right? When I was a kid, I waited tables in a restaurant. I wasn't even old enough to bring the drinks to the table. I thought they were ordering Roman Cokes. No one ever realized I was not saying Rum and Coke, so they never corrected me.

Like, "I want to rock and roll all night, and part of every day!" lol That was in a Dharma and Greg.

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 by: Rickster - Wed, 30 Mar 2022 23:30 UTC

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 5:44:35 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> >On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
> >>
> >> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
> >> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
> >>
> >> This
> >>
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
> >>
> >> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
> >> you can think.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I hear some figure they drive better that way, too
> That's possible, at the sub-0.1% level. Driving is more
> millisecond-range instinct and reaction than rational thought.

Absolute BS. It's not like this hasn't been tested and measured ad infinitum.

> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.

Yeah, I bet you paint better after taking LSD too!

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 05:52 UTC

On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Mar 2022 12:40:21 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
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>
>https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>
>I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
>brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>
>This
>
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>
>talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
>you can think.

Sales ads
I have not used any alcohol apart from for cleaning stuff since 1974 or there about.
You would not believe my experiences before that when sailing,,,
I think some were reproduced in those 'Pirates of the Caribbean' movies.
like me laying on the floor.
In my school days.. day out sailing, director stepping over me, 'Oh its him again'
Well I passed anyways,

No alcohol does not help you thinking clearly.
Not with driving either.

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 by: Martin Brown - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:07 UTC

On 30/03/2022 22:44, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>>>
>>> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
>>> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>>>
>>> This
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>>>
>>> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
>>> you can think.
>>
>> I hear some figure they drive better that way, too

The British guy who invented cats eyes for road marking certainly did -
to help him get home after a session in a precarious rural pub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Shaw

These days we are much less tolerant of drunk driving.
>
> That's possible, at the sub-0.1% level. Driving is more
> millisecond-range instinct and reaction than rational thought.

It is true up to and only up to the first half pint for playing fast
video games. It helps takesthe edge off muscle tremor and allows more
accurate servo positioning. After that it is downhill all the way.

Both motor skills and decision making degrade with increased alcohol. >
> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.

Or you think you do. You only have your own perceptions of how well you
ski until something immovable and absolute like a tree gets in the way.

Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out in
front of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have said
there was 6s between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from the
thing which then sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I played
back the dashcam footage it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.

Annoyingly the deceleration swung the camera skywards so that from the
moment the brakes go on hard you see mostly sky with a pair of ears
moving along the bottom of the frame.

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Martin Brown

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 by: Martin Brown - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 08:16 UTC

On 31/03/2022 06:52, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
> No alcohol does not help you thinking clearly.
> Not with driving either.

Back in the days when it was traditional to go out to the pub on a
Friday lunchtime we had a rule that the afternoon was for software
testing *only* with no changes to be made to the code.

Slightly drunk engineers make more errors and behave like customers in
doing daft things (sober they would never make such silly mistakes).

It worked well for finding and documenting faults cause by finger
trouble and doing unexpected things. When fully sober software testers
never seem to make the same mistakes end users do.

Sleep deprivation also degrades decision making to a point where you
might just as well be drunk so long shifts can be counterproductive. A
friend who works on safety critical network rail track side signalling
systems fell asleep at the wheel and crashed on a motorway on their way
home after an all nighter (such is the pressure to complete the job at
all costs). Fortunately no-one was seriously hurt.

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 by: Jan Panteltje - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 09:07 UTC

On a sunny day (Thu, 31 Mar 2022 09:16:32 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <t23o12$18bb$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

>On 31/03/2022 06:52, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>> No alcohol does not help you thinking clearly.
>> Not with driving either.
>
>Back in the days when it was traditional to go out to the pub on a
>Friday lunchtime we had a rule that the afternoon was for software
>testing *only* with no changes to be made to the code.
>
>Slightly drunk engineers make more errors and behave like customers in
>doing daft things (sober they would never make such silly mistakes).
>
>It worked well for finding and documenting faults cause by finger
>trouble and doing unexpected things. When fully sober software testers
>never seem to make the same mistakes end users do.
>
>Sleep deprivation also degrades decision making to a point where you
>might just as well be drunk so long shifts can be counterproductive. A
>friend who works on safety critical network rail track side signalling
>systems fell asleep at the wheel and crashed on a motorway on their way
>home after an all nighter (such is the pressure to complete the job at
>all costs). Fortunately no-one was seriously hurt.

Yes, experienced that, flying back home from down under to first Frankfurt Germany, then staying awake at the airport
there for hours for the connecting flight to Amsterdam, then getting my car from the long time parking
and driving all the way to the North of the Netherlands.. no sleep for 24? hours?
At some point I noticed I was losing concentration when a car in front of me started doing silly things
took the next parking place and had a rest.
OTOH I was used to long shifts in broadcasting; normal was from 8 in the morning to end of transmission...
in those days about midnight...

I have read somewhere that when you get older you need less sleep? 5 to 6 hours is normal here these days.
Maybe it is because you need less time to evaluate what happened that day?

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 by: David Brown - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 09:19 UTC

On 31/03/2022 10:07, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 30/03/2022 22:44, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
>>>> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>>>>
>>>> This
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>>>>
>>>> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
>>>> you can think.
>>>
>>> I hear some figure they drive better that way, too
>
> The British guy who invented cats eyes for road marking certainly did -
> to help him get home after a session in a precarious rural pub.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Shaw
>
> These days we are much less tolerant of drunk driving.

There is a difference between "drunk driving" and "driving with some
alcohol". Studies have shown that like many factors that affect driving
ability, habit and familiarity is important. People who regularly drink
several units and then drive home do so with very little impairment to
their driving, while people who never drive after drinking can be
significantly affected from just one drink.

A key factor with drink-driving is that it is generally quite easy to
prove the crime, and easy to see whose fault it is. And while a small
amount of alcohol is going to be a smaller impediment to driving than,
say, a perfectly legal headache, if you allow generous alcohol limits
then it's easy for people to go over those limits.

>>
>> That's possible, at the sub-0.1% level. Driving is more
>> millisecond-range instinct and reaction than rational thought.
>
> It is true up to and only up to the first half pint for playing fast
> video games. It helps takesthe edge off muscle tremor and allows more
> accurate servo positioning. After that it is downhill all the way.
>
> Both motor skills and decision making degrade with increased alcohol. >
>> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.
>
> Or you think you do. You only have your own perceptions of how well you
> ski until something immovable and absolute like a tree gets in the way.
>

It depends on how he is judging "better skiing". I doubt if a single
drink makes a big difference either way, but if it reduces his fear and
nervousness a little it might make him more stable. More alcohol will
obviously reduce stability, delay reactions, impede judgment, and
generally make the whole thing a much bigger risk for himself and
others. On the other hand, it may reduce the injury from a fall.

> Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out in
> front of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have said
> there was 6s between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from the
> thing which then sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I played
> back the dashcam footage it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.
>
> Annoyingly the deceleration swung the camera skywards so that from the
> moment the brakes go on hard you see mostly sky with a pair of ears
> moving along the bottom of the frame.
>

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 by: Tom Gardner - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 09:41 UTC

On 31/03/22 09:07, Martin Brown wrote:
> Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out in front
> of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have said there was 6s
> between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from the thing which then
> sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I played back the dashcam footage
> it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.

I was driving at 50mph on a rural main road, 2s behind the
car in front.

A female deer ran between the two cars, from a wood on one
side to a wood on the other.

Fortunately she was out of the way before I reached that spot,
because there was zero chance I could have stopped.

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 by: Clive Arthur - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 09:44 UTC

On 31/03/2022 10:41, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 31/03/22 09:07, Martin Brown wrote:
>> Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out
>> in front of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have
>> said there was 6s between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from
>> the thing which then sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I
>> played back the dashcam footage it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.
>
> I was driving at 50mph on a rural main road, 2s behind the
> car in front.
>
> A female deer ran between the two cars, from a wood on one
> side to a wood on the other.

D'oh! A deer, a female deer.
>
> Fortunately she was out of the way before I reached that spot,
> because there was zero chance I could have stopped.

--
Cheers
Clive

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 by: David Brown - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:02 UTC

On 31/03/2022 11:41, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 31/03/22 09:07, Martin Brown wrote:
>> Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out
>> in front of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have
>> said there was 6s between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from
>> the thing which then sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I
>> played back the dashcam footage it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.
>
> I was driving at 50mph on a rural main road, 2s behind the
> car in front.

When the car passes a stationary object, slowly say to yourself "Only a
fool breaks the three second rule" and see if you too have passed the
object.

>
> A female deer ran between the two cars, from a wood on one
> side to a wood on the other.
>
> Fortunately she was out of the way before I reached that spot,
> because there was zero chance I could have stopped.

That's because you too busy admiring the deer!

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 by: Tom Gardner - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:51 UTC

On 31/03/22 11:02, David Brown wrote:
> On 31/03/2022 11:41, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 31/03/22 09:07, Martin Brown wrote:
>>> Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out
>>> in front of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have
>>> said there was 6s between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from
>>> the thing which then sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I
>>> played back the dashcam footage it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.
>>
>> I was driving at 50mph on a rural main road, 2s behind the
>> car in front.
>
> When the car passes a stationary object, slowly say to yourself "Only a
> fool breaks the three second rule" and see if you too have passed the
> object.

It used to be "two second"; has it changed? [1]

I remember those awful late night CoI shutdown "adverts",
mostly along the lines of "don't let grandpa fall asleep
while smoking", or "don't fall off ladders".

The "only a fool breaks the #two second rule" was the only
one that provided non-obvious important information. I
drummed that into my daughter :)

[1] Highway code rule 126 is still 2s.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158#rule126

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 by: Mike Monett - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:18 UTC

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

> On 30/03/2022 22:44, John Larkin wrote:

[...]

> Both motor skills and decision making degrade with increased alcohol. >

>> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.

> Or you think you do. You only have your own perceptions of how well you
> ski until something immovable and absolute like a tree gets in the way.

[...]

After I bought my Piper Malibu, N4360V, I flew out to a ranch north of San
Francisco where I had dinner and a beer. The meal was fine, but when I got in
the plane to fly home, I was astonished at how badly my skills had
deteoriated. That was the last time I ever flew after having a drink.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5874208&nseq=0

--
MRM

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 by: David Brown - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:20 UTC

On 31/03/2022 12:51, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 31/03/22 11:02, David Brown wrote:
>> On 31/03/2022 11:41, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>> On 31/03/22 09:07, Martin Brown wrote:
>>>> Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out
>>>> in front of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have
>>>> said there was 6s between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from
>>>> the thing which then sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I
>>>> played back the dashcam footage it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.
>>>
>>> I was driving at 50mph on a rural main road, 2s behind the
>>> car in front.
>>
>> When the car passes a stationary object, slowly say to yourself "Only a
>> fool breaks the three second rule" and see if you too have passed the
>> object.
>
> It used to be "two second"; has it changed? [1]
>

It changes with age :-)

It should probably now be "Only a fool breaks the two or three second
rule - I can't remember which". Then you'll be safe!

> I remember those awful late night CoI shutdown "adverts",
> mostly along the lines of "don't let grandpa fall asleep
> while smoking", or "don't fall off ladders".
>
> The "only a fool breaks the #two second rule" was the only
> one that provided non-obvious important information. I
> drummed that into my daughter :)
>
> [1] Highway code rule 126 is still 2s.
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158#rule126
>

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 by: Tom Gardner - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:19 UTC

On 31/03/22 12:20, David Brown wrote:
> On 31/03/2022 12:51, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 31/03/22 11:02, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 31/03/2022 11:41, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>> On 31/03/22 09:07, Martin Brown wrote:
>>>>> Even time is relative in an emergency situation. I had a deer run out
>>>>> in front of my car at 70mph on a narrow road. AT the time I'd have
>>>>> said there was 6s between me seeing it and the emergency stop 8" from
>>>>> the thing which then sauntered off into the undergrowth. But when I
>>>>> played back the dashcam footage it was all over in 2s - just 48 frames.
>>>>
>>>> I was driving at 50mph on a rural main road, 2s behind the
>>>> car in front.
>>>
>>> When the car passes a stationary object, slowly say to yourself "Only a
>>> fool breaks the three second rule" and see if you too have passed the
>>> object.
>>
>> It used to be "two second"; has it changed? [1]
>>
>
> It changes with age :-)

And concentration :( Driving is boring.

> It should probably now be "Only a fool breaks the two or three second
> rule - I can't remember which". Then you'll be safe!

er. Safer :(

Even 3s wouldn't have been sufficient when an immovable
object materialises directly in your path.

>> I remember those awful late night CoI shutdown "adverts",
>> mostly along the lines of "don't let grandpa fall asleep
>> while smoking", or "don't fall off ladders".
>>
>> The "only a fool breaks the #two second rule" was the only
>> one that provided non-obvious important information. I
>> drummed that into my daughter :)
>>
>> [1] Highway code rule 126 is still 2s.
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-techniques-and-advice-for-all-drivers-and-riders-103-to-158#rule126
>>
>

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 by: Phil Hobbs - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:02 UTC

John Larkin wrote:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>
> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>
> This
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>
> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
> you can think.
>
>
Obligatory XKCD reference:

https://xkcd.com/323/

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

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On 3/30/2022 10:13 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 10:02:30 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>>> onsdag den 30. marts 2022 kl. 23.44.35 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> alcohol increase reaction time
>> A lot sure does. Not all functions are monotonic.
>
> This one is.
>
>>>> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.
>>>
>>> or you think you do, that is one of the effects of alcohol
>>
>> No, it's real, as verified by extensive experiment.
>>
>> Read the Drunk book.
>
> Activities that depend on rapid reactions are helped by low doses of alcohol - you waste less time overthinking about what you are going to do.
>
> Rifle-shooting - as a competitive sport also bans alcohol. Rapid reaction time doesn't come into that, but the minimal tranquilising effect of a little ethanol does help. It also make you more dangerous to the other competitors, in the same way that even low doses of alcohol make you a more dangerous driver, as even though you are more likely to put the car into exactly the place you want to, it becomes more likely that you will want to put it into place that you shouldn't.
>

Alcohol on a first date is kinda like that, too...

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:16 UTC

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 05:52:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Mar 2022 12:40:21 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
><68c94h97sr8kmt2brg4jsf3ra4smqge2tj@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>>
>>I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
>>brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>>
>>This
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>>
>>talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
>>you can think.
>
>Sales ads
>I have not used any alcohol apart from for cleaning stuff since 1974 or there about.
>You would not believe my experiences before that when sailing,,,
>I think some were reproduced in those 'Pirates of the Caribbean' movies.
>like me laying on the floor.
>In my school days.. day out sailing, director stepping over me, 'Oh its him again'
>Well I passed anyways,
>
>No alcohol does not help you thinking clearly.

Read the book maybe. It's interesting.

Of course, people are different. I personally don't benefit from
alcohol to enable free thinking, but apparently most people do.

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 by: jlar...@highlandsniptechnology.com - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:17 UTC

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:02:36 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/brainstorming-over-beers-does-alcohol-fuel-creativity-annie-grace
>>
>> I think google or Apple or someone big provides alcohol at
>> brainstorming meetings. I keep a bottle of good rum in my office.
>>
>> This
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
>>
>> talks about using alcohol to get your frontal cortex out of the way so
>> you can think.
>>
>>
>Obligatory XKCD reference:
>
>https://xkcd.com/323/
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:08:24 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 3/30/2022 10:13 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 10:02:30 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
>>>> onsdag den 30. marts 2022 kl. 23.44.35 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 16:36:19 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/30/2022 3:40 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> alcohol increase reaction time
>>> A lot sure does. Not all functions are monotonic.
>>
>> This one is.
>>
>>>>> I absolutly ski better after one rum+coke.
>>>>
>>>> or you think you do, that is one of the effects of alcohol
>>>
>>> No, it's real, as verified by extensive experiment.
>>>
>>> Read the Drunk book.
>>
>> Activities that depend on rapid reactions are helped by low doses of alcohol - you waste less time overthinking about what you are going to do.
>>
>> Rifle-shooting - as a competitive sport also bans alcohol. Rapid reaction time doesn't come into that, but the minimal tranquilising effect of a little ethanol does help. It also make you more dangerous to the other competitors, in the same way that even low doses of alcohol make you a more dangerous driver, as even though you are more likely to put the car into exactly the place you want to, it becomes more likely that you will want to put it into place that you shouldn't.
>>
>
>Alcohol on a first date is kinda like that, too...

Alcohol is a key component of human socialization. Maybe the muslim
countries are so hostile because they don't drink together.

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