I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes. https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf

They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............

I found a source for new 11 speed r7000 rim brakes for $45 a pair. My inclination is to simply get them at that price. What do you all think. Will it make any difference at all? I would like them but if I got them and it was a zero gain I would be pissed. The other thing is they come with new pads and the pads on mine are fine but getting to the point that new ones would be ok too.

That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano. Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.
Deacon Mark

On 10/11/2023 4:27 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes. https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf
>
> They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............

ISTM that if you don't have brake squeal, you don't have a problem!

In ancient times (like when I started adult riding) the advice was to
use an adjustable wrench to twist brake arms to get a bit of toe in. I
suppose you could try that. Now there are spherical washers that might
help.

But an easy alternative might be to take the brake shoe out and sand it
down, taking a bit more off the back end. That should give you a little
toe in with no changes to your caliper hardware.

> That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano. Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.

I prefer Kool Stop, but the Shimano shoes on our tandem brakes also seem
to work fine.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Mark Cleary <deaconmjc08@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes.
> https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf
>
> They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them
> on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the
> 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way
> the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but
> this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so
> slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............
>
> I found a source for new 11 speed r7000 rim brakes for $45 a pair. My
> inclination is to simply get them at that price. What do you all think.
> Will it make any difference at all? I would like them but if I got them
> and it was a zero gain I would be pissed. The other thing is they come
> with new pads and the pads on mine are fine but getting to the point that
> new ones would be ok too.
>
> That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano.
> Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to
> say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.
> Deacon Mark
>
I never bothered with the road bikes as dual pivots where okay, at least in
the dry plus I didn’t want expensive pads that would get ground down
quickly in winter.

On the CX bike I did as it’s cantilever brakes where woefully underpowered
even in the dry off road and not really confident inspiring even on road.

But this is for me at least quite old information as my bikes have been
disk only for quite a few years now.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 10:27:39 PM UTC+2, Mark Cleary wrote:
> I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes. https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf
>
> They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............
>
> I found a source for new 11 speed r7000 rim brakes for $45 a pair. My inclination is to simply get them at that price. What do you all think. Will it make any difference at all? I would like them but if I got them and it was a zero gain I would be pissed. The other thing is they come with new pads and the pads on mine are fine but getting to the point that new ones would be ok too.
>
> That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano. Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.
> Deacon Mark

I don’t think you would gain much.

Lou

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 1:27:39 PM UTC-7, Mark Cleary wrote:
> I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes. https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf
>
> They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............
>
> I found a source for new 11 speed r7000 rim brakes for $45 a pair. My inclination is to simply get them at that price. What do you all think. Will it make any difference at all? I would like them but if I got them and it was a zero gain I would be pissed. The other thing is they come with new pads and the pads on mine are fine but getting to the point that new ones would be ok too.
>
> That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano. Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.
> Deacon Mark

Always remember that the front and back assemblies are opposite and on some bikes they can be installed on either end. This means that if they are backward they can throw a shoe off through the open end. The locking screw makes no difference.

I used to use Koolstop. In general they worked better but they also wore the rim out very much more rapidly than the Shimano or Campagnolo numbers. You haven't lived until you're going down a long steep hill riding the brakes and the entire side of a rim falls off.

The major manufacturers seem to have this dialed in because I haven't seen excessive wear on aluminum rims in a very long time.

As for toe-in: the amount necessary is very hard to see. If you can see it it is too much and that compromises the brake effectiveness. You have to train your eye to see what small amount necessary on the modern stiff brake assemblies.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 13:27:37 -0700 (PDT), Mark Cleary
<deaconmjc08@gmail.com> wrote:

>I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes. https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf
>
>They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............
>
>I found a source for new 11 speed r7000 rim brakes for $45 a pair. My inclination is to simply get them at that price. What do you all think. Will it make any difference at all? I would like them but if I got them and it was a zero gain I would be pissed. The other thing is they come with new pads and the pads on mine are fine but getting to the point that new ones would be ok too.
>
>That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano. Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.
>Deacon Mark

Well, obviously the question is "do the brakes stop you as quickly as
you want?" If so then use them, if not then get something else.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 4:28:07 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/11/2023 4:27 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> > I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes. https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf
> >
> > They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............
> ISTM that if you don't have brake squeal, you don't have a problem!
>
> In ancient times (like when I started adult riding) the advice was to
> use an adjustable wrench to twist brake arms to get a bit of toe in. I
> suppose you could try that. Now there are spherical washers that might
> help.
>
> But an easy alternative might be to take the brake shoe out and sand it
> down, taking a bit more off the back end. That should give you a little
> toe in with no changes to your caliper hardware.
> > That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano. Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.
> I prefer Kool Stop, but the Shimano shoes on our tandem brakes also seem
> to work fine.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

Frank I thought about doing that but stubborn in thinking the pad with the pivot washer should be able to take it right where needed. Well sure enough it does not, and I went just like you suggested and hit the back of the pad with the belt sander. Now it toes in perfect, and I have to remember the simplest solution is the best.
Deacon Mark

On 10/11/2023 7:02 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 4:28:07 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 10/11/2023 4:27 PM, Mark Cleary wrote:
>>> I have a set of cane creek scr-5 dual pivot road rim brakes. https://canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/SCR_Road_Caliper_Instructions.pdf
>>>
>>> They work fine and I assume probably as good as Shimano 105. I have them on my recent build of new 11 speed Shimano groupset. I did not get the 105 brake set for it. Turns out these work fine but I don't like the way the front pad sits on the rim. I try to toe the pad in just a bit but this one still quite do not. It more less hits the rim square but ever so slightly the backside of pad first. No brake squeal but.............
>> ISTM that if you don't have brake squeal, you don't have a problem!
>>
>> In ancient times (like when I started adult riding) the advice was to
>> use an adjustable wrench to twist brake arms to get a bit of toe in. I
>> suppose you could try that. Now there are spherical washers that might
>> help.
>>
>> But an easy alternative might be to take the brake shoe out and sand it
>> down, taking a bit more off the back end. That should give you a little
>> toe in with no changes to your caliper hardware.
>>> That said I generally always use Kool Stop pads over any ever Shimano. Anyone here think Shimano are just as good. Different bike forums seem to say Koop Stop the best the softest rubber that grabs well.
>> I prefer Kool Stop, but the Shimano shoes on our tandem brakes also seem
>> to work fine.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank I thought about doing that but stubborn in thinking the pad with the pivot washer should be able to take it right where needed. Well sure enough it does not, and I went just like you suggested and hit the back of the pad with the belt sander. Now it toes in perfect, and I have to remember the simplest solution is the best.

I'm glad that worked.

--
- Frank Krygowski