On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:45:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 19:47:15 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
> > wrote:
> > >Am 27.02.22 um 19:05 schrieb jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> > >> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
> > >>> Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
> > >>
> > >> Some defect in human socialization lets insane people become in
> > >> charge.
> > >
> > >Wow! That from a Trump fan!
> >
> > I never claimed to be a Trump fan. He's a repulsive jerk, but as an amateur has a lot more common sense than the lifetime-power-monger alternatives.
> So drink some bleach, and fill yourself up with chlorquinine.
> > Biden is the classic politician who has done nothing in his life but be a politician. And of course he got rich doing that.
> As opposed to Trump, who made any number of people bankrupt.

Translation: Trump, who made any number of people multimillionaires.

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-5, whit3rd wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:43:04 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > As I said, no one is going to enter a shooting war over Ukraine. Not because Russia's attack is reasonable, but because we don't want WWIII. There will be significant costs though, to everyone.
> The costs, and sanctions, in pre-NATO times were wielded by Truman during the
> Berlin Airlift. Not a shots-fired response, but the USSR pulled back then, and
> its successor state might do so now.
>
> Stalin pulled back because he needed trade to rebuild; if Putin pulls back, it will be at
> the behest of oligarchs who dislike separation from their bank accounts...

The US had a direct stake in the outcome of the situation in Berlin. That does not exist for the US or most other countries regarding Ukraine. That's the bottom line. Putin won't back down unless the cost is very, very high.

I seem to recall they spent 10 years trying to deal with Afghanistan before deciding it was too costly.

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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:46:41 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 06:30:50 -0800 (PST), Rick C
> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:35:59 AM UTC-5, legg wrote:
> >> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:07:17 -0800 (PST), Rick C
> >> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
> >> >> Whatever alert it was, it wasn't 'high alert'.
> >> >>
> >> >> There's no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
> >> >> weapons alert status.
> >> >
> >> >What would you expect to see?
> >> A change. Any change. Parking lot occupancy. Reduced
> >> personnel leave. Traffic.
> >>
> >> ~Whatever was observed the last time an 'alert level'
> >> was raised.
> >
> >Ok, you have no idea. Got it. So how do you know nothing has been observed?
> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/putin-put-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-what-does-that-mean-for-the-risk-of-nuclear-war

Why did you post this link? The question was about how to tell if Russia has nuclear weapons on high alert. This article says nothing about that.

> How has the United States responded to Putin so far?
>
> There is no evidence that the Biden administration has reciprocated in
> any sense to Putin’s announcement that he was ordering his nuclear
> forces in a “special regime of combat duty” — perhaps in part because
> it was unclear what that means in practical terms.

The US has indicated they have NOT responded in kind.

> Nor was there word from Washington of evidence that Putin had taken
> worrying steps such as loading nuclear weapons on all or a portion of
> Russia’s nuclear-capable air fleet or sending additional ballistic
> missile submarines to sea.
>
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/us/politics/putin-nuclear-alert-biden-deescalation.html
>
> Mr. Kristensen of the Federation of American Scientists said the
> threats could be empty unless matched with evidence that nuclear
> weapons are being removed from storage and prepared for action.
>
> “Unless we see that kind of thing,” Mr. Kristensen said, “it’s
> rhetoric — it’s madman brinkmanship.”
>
>
>
> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putin-puts-nuclear-forces-high-alert-escalating-worries-83152160
>
> For many, Russia's announcement of a nuclear high alert stirred fears
> that the West could be drawn into direct conflict with Russia. But a
> senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
> the United States had yet to see any appreciable change in Russia’s
> nuclear posture.

Yes, as Larkin is quick to point out, the world is full of fears.

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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:47:27 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:42:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> > <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> >
> >> John Larkin wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:21:37 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> >>> <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
> >>>>> onsdag den 2. marts 2022 kl. 15.43.04 UTC+1 skrev
> >>>>> gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:45:18 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 2:06, Rick C wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter
> >>>>>>>>>> Popoff wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever alert it was, it wasn't 'high alert'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no evidence of any change to the Russian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nuclear weapons alert status.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What would you expect to see?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as
> >>>>>>>>>>> much.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians
> >>>>>>>>>>> have started drills with their nuclear submarines.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier
> >>>>>>>>>>> to detect/locate/target.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone
> >>>>>>>>>>> manages to kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
> >>>>>>>>> I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just
> >>>>>>>>> *cannot* let Putin do as he pleases any longer.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other
> >>>>>>>>>> countries should send in troops or even think about an
> >>>>>>>>>> attack on Russia.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I don't see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking
> >>>>>>>>>> Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it.
> >>>>>>>>>> But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well.
> >>>>>>>>>> However, that is the case even if they simply let the
> >>>>>>>>>> Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things
> >>>>>>>>>> go when Russia is in charge of your country.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear
> >>>>>>>>> war - is now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one
> >>>>>>>> is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That's sad, but it's the
> >>>>>>>> truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of
> >>>>>>>> assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a
> >>>>>>>> member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why
> >>>>>>>> they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a
> >>>>>>>> member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support
> >>>>>>>> Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be
> >>>>>>>> involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
> >>>>>>> In a similar way the world watched Hitler take first Poland,
> >>>>>>> then... It won't be any different unless someone shoots Putin.
> >>>>>> There are one or two more non-NATO countries in the area. I saw a
> >>>>>> video of the President of Belarus which showed invasion plans on a
> >>>>>> map which included attacking Moldova. After that would be Romania
> >>>>>> which is a NATO country. Any NATO country is off limits for obvious
> >>>>>> reasons. Attacking a NATO country *would* cause WWIII.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> afaiu Romania and Moldava are extremely close, sharing language and
> >>>>> continuously talking about unification, since they were made two
> >>>>> separate countries after the falls of USSR If Putins goal was to make
> >>>>> every non-NATO country near Russia consider NATO membership and make
> >>>>> the NATO countries increase their defense budgets, he seems to have
> >>>>> succeeded
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The level of cupidity that has led our Warfare State to try to extend
> >>>> NATO to Ukraine beggars belief. It's like Khrushchev inviting Mexico to
> >>>> join the Warsaw Pact.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yo, ruler-types: ddg for "buffer state".
> >>
> >>>
> >>> But the Ukrainians should have some say. Maybe they want to be more
> >>> european.
> >>
> >> Nobody over here is trying to prevent that. It's just beyond stupid to
> >> back the Russians into a corner like that--a nuclear-armed state with
> >> nothing left to lose is....
>
> >
> > I don't think anything happened to back Russia into a corner. I do
> > think that Putin is insane and dreams of empire.
> >
> > Bad that he has nukes.
> >
> > It's crazy that the fates of so many depend on the emotions of one.
> >
> Think about that Mexico -> Warsaw pact idea. It's a pretty close
> parallel, I think.

It's a terrible parallel. Ukraine wants to join NATO for exactly the reason they now need it, protection from Russia. Mexico has no need for being part of the Warsaw pact, literally none!

Then there are all the other countries right next to Ukraine, Poland, Romania, etc. that are members of NATO.

Politicians need an enemy to retain power. Trmp was all about declaring many enemies, so he could claim to be fighting them. Johnson mounted an imaginary war on poverty. Nixon an imaginary war on drugs. Some leaders prefer to fight real wars against imaginary enemies such as Russia against Ukraine.

What is needed is for Russia to join NATO. That would certainly make for a much calmer world. Maybe Putin is pissed that he was never invited. Hmm? Perhaps!

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On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:47:15 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:42:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:21:37 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>>>> onsdag den 2. marts 2022 kl. 15.43.04 UTC+1 skrev
>>>>>> gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:45:18 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 2:06, Rick C wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter
>>>>>>>>>>> Popoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever alert it was, it wasn't 'high alert'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no evidence of any change to the Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuclear weapons alert status.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would you expect to see?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as
>>>>>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians
>>>>>>>>>>>> have started drills with their nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier
>>>>>>>>>>>> to detect/locate/target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone
>>>>>>>>>>>> manages to kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
>>>>>>>>>> I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just
>>>>>>>>>> *cannot* let Putin do as he pleases any longer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other
>>>>>>>>>>> countries should send in troops or even think about an
>>>>>>>>>>> attack on Russia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it.
>>>>>>>>>>> But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that is the case even if they simply let the
>>>>>>>>>>> Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things
>>>>>>>>>>> go when Russia is in charge of your country.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear
>>>>>>>>>> war - is now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one
>>>>>>>>> is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That's sad, but it's the
>>>>>>>>> truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of
>>>>>>>>> assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a
>>>>>>>>> member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why
>>>>>>>>> they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a
>>>>>>>>> member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support
>>>>>>>>> Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be
>>>>>>>>> involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
>>>>>>>> In a similar way the world watched Hitler take first Poland,
>>>>>>>> then... It won't be any different unless someone shoots Putin.
>>>>>>> There are one or two more non-NATO countries in the area. I saw a
>>>>>>> video of the President of Belarus which showed invasion plans on a
>>>>>>> map which included attacking Moldova. After that would be Romania
>>>>>>> which is a NATO country. Any NATO country is off limits for obvious
>>>>>>> reasons. Attacking a NATO country *would* cause WWIII.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> afaiu Romania and Moldava are extremely close, sharing language and
>>>>>> continuously talking about unification, since they were made two
>>>>>> separate countries after the falls of USSR If Putins goal was to make
>>>>>> every non-NATO country near Russia consider NATO membership and make
>>>>>> the NATO countries increase their defense budgets, he seems to have
>>>>>> succeeded
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The level of cupidity that has led our Warfare State to try to extend
>>>>> NATO to Ukraine beggars belief. It's like Khrushchev inviting Mexico to
>>>>> join the Warsaw Pact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yo, ruler-types: ddg for "buffer state".
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But the Ukrainians should have some say. Maybe they want to be more
>>>> european.
>>>
>>> Nobody over here is trying to prevent that. It's just beyond stupid to
>>> back the Russians into a corner like that--a nuclear-armed state with
>>> nothing left to lose is....
>
>>
>> I don't think anything happened to back Russia into a corner. I do
>> think that Putin is insane and dreams of empire.
>>
>> Bad that he has nukes.
>>
>> It's crazy that the fates of so many depend on the emotions of one.
>>
>
>Think about that Mexico -> Warsaw pact idea. It's a pretty close
>parallel, I think.
>
>I make no apologies for Putin, who was and is a murderous thug.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

Tribes need to define "us" and "them" before they can slaughter
"them."

Language is one thing to tribalize around. Hitler thought he owned any
place with German-speaking people. Putin, russian speakers.

And the cyrillic alphabet.

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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 7:44:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:03:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:45:03 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:42:14 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 19:47:15 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk...@arcor.de>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >Am 27.02.22 um 19:05 schrieb jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> > > > >> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> > > > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
> > > > >>> Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Some defect in human socialization lets insane people become in
> > > > >> charge.
> > > > >
> > > > >Wow! That from a Trump fan!
> > > >
> > > > I never claimed to be a Trump fan. He's a repulsive jerk, but as an amateur has a lot more common sense than the lifetime-power-monger alternatives.
> >
> > > So drink some bleach, and fill yourself up with chlorquinine.
> >
> > > > Biden is the classic politician who has done nothing in his life but be a politician. And of course he got rich doing that.
> > > As opposed to Trump, who made any number of people bankrupt.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump
> > Translation: Trump, who made any number of people multimillionaires.
> Presumably every last one of them was related to him. Flyguy does like to label the operations he does on other people's text as translations when a rotation is the operation he has actually carried out.

Translation: Flyguy is right and I don't know WTF I am talking about.
>
> Trump definitely isn't the kind of business man who creates valuable assets. Looking at his career he seems better at making assets less valuable than they were when he got them under his control. How much of that lost value he managed to siphon off for his own benefit is an open question - some of the losses allowed him to stop paying income tax in recent years.

Translation: Exactly the opposite is true, but I can't admit it.

>
> --
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 18:23:46 -0800 (PST), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 6:46:41 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 06:30:50 -0800 (PST), Rick C
>> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:35:59 AM UTC-5, legg wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:07:17 -0800 (PST), Rick C
>> >> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
>> >> >> Whatever alert it was, it wasn't 'high alert'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There's no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
>> >> >> weapons alert status.
>> >> >
>> >> >What would you expect to see?
>> >> A change. Any change. Parking lot occupancy. Reduced
>> >> personnel leave. Traffic.
>> >>
>> >> ~Whatever was observed the last time an 'alert level'
>> >> was raised.
>> >
>> >Ok, you have no idea. Got it. So how do you know nothing has been observed?
>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/putin-put-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-what-does-that-mean-for-the-risk-of-nuclear-war
>
>Why did you post this link? The question was about how to tell if Russia has nuclear weapons on high alert. This article says nothing about that.
>
>
>> How has the United States responded to Putin so far?
>>
>> There is no evidence that the Biden administration has reciprocated in
>> any sense to Putin’s announcement that he was ordering his nuclear
>> forces in a “special regime of combat duty” — perhaps in part because
>> it was unclear what that means in practical terms.
>
>The US has indicated they have NOT responded in kind.
>
>
>> Nor was there word from Washington of evidence that Putin had taken
>> worrying steps such as loading nuclear weapons on all or a portion of
>> Russia’s nuclear-capable air fleet or sending additional ballistic
>> missile submarines to sea.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/us/politics/putin-nuclear-alert-biden-deescalation.html
>>
>> Mr. Kristensen of the Federation of American Scientists said the
>> threats could be empty unless matched with evidence that nuclear
>> weapons are being removed from storage and prepared for action.
>>
>> “Unless we see that kind of thing,” Mr. Kristensen said, “it’s
>> rhetoric — it’s madman brinkmanship.”
>>
>>
>>
>> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/putin-puts-nuclear-forces-high-alert-escalating-worries-83152160
>>
>> For many, Russia's announcement of a nuclear high alert stirred fears
>> that the West could be drawn into direct conflict with Russia. But a
>> senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
>> the United States had yet to see any appreciable change in Russia’s
>> nuclear posture.
>
>Yes, as Larkin is quick to point out, the world is full of fears.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60564123

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told BBC News the UK had so far seen
no change in the actual posture of Russia's nuclear weapons.

That will be watched closely, intelligence sources confirm.

On 03/03/2022 02:47, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:42:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>
>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 19:21:37 -0500, Phil Hobbs
>>>> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
>>>>>> onsdag den 2. marts 2022 kl. 15.43.04 UTC+1 skrev
>>>>>> gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:45:18 AM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/2/2022 2:06, Rick C wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 23:09, Rick C wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:34:35 PM UTC-5, Dimiter
>>>>>>>>>>> Popoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/1/2022 22:07, Rick C wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:47:14 PM UTC-5, legg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever alert it was, it wasn't 'high alert'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no evidence of any change to the Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nuclear weapons alert status.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would you expect to see?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps the guy works for the DoD and can only tell as
>>>>>>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I just read on a Bulgarian site that the Russians
>>>>>>>>>>>> have started drills with their nuclear submarines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> May be not the worst news, if this will make them easier
>>>>>>>>>>>> to detect/locate/target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think an all out war is inevitable now unless someone
>>>>>>>>>>>> manages to kill the psychopath in the Kremlin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You think what is happening in Ukraine is not all out war?
>>>>>>>>>> I mean an all-out world war. The civilized world just
>>>>>>>>>> *cannot* let Putin do as he pleases any longer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Putin is rattling the nuclear saber to indicate no other
>>>>>>>>>>> countries should send in troops or even think about an
>>>>>>>>>>> attack on Russia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see how anyone can prevent Russia from taking
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine. What they can do is make Russia pay dearly for it.
>>>>>>>>>>> But the cost to Ukrainians will be very dear as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that is the case even if they simply let the
>>>>>>>>>>> Russians in peacefully. This is not new. We know how things
>>>>>>>>>>> go when Russia is in charge of your country.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which is why I said an all out war - yes, meaning a nuclear
>>>>>>>>>> war - is now inevitable. Unless someone shoots Putin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is what I expected you meant and is nonsense. No one
>>>>>>>>> is going to fight Russia over Ukraine. That's sad, but it's the
>>>>>>>>> truth. If Ukraine was a member of NATO, then all manner of
>>>>>>>>> assistance would be provided. However, had Ukraine been a
>>>>>>>>> member of NATO, Russia would know not to invade. That is why
>>>>>>>>> they are invading, to prevent Ukraine from ever becoming a
>>>>>>>>> member of NATO. Russia wants other states around it to support
>>>>>>>>> Russia, not to be part of the enemy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So war by Russia today, because they know no one else will be
>>>>>>>>> involved and it will NOT become WWIII.
>>>>>>>> In a similar way the world watched Hitler take first Poland,
>>>>>>>> then... It won't be any different unless someone shoots Putin.
>>>>>>> There are one or two more non-NATO countries in the area. I saw a
>>>>>>> video of the President of Belarus which showed invasion plans on a
>>>>>>> map which included attacking Moldova. After that would be Romania
>>>>>>> which is a NATO country. Any NATO country is off limits for obvious
>>>>>>> reasons. Attacking a NATO country *would* cause WWIII.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> afaiu Romania and Moldava are extremely close, sharing language and
>>>>>> continuously talking about unification, since they were made two
>>>>>> separate countries after the falls of USSR If Putins goal was to make
>>>>>> every non-NATO country near Russia consider NATO membership and make
>>>>>> the NATO countries increase their defense budgets, he seems to have
>>>>>> succeeded
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The level of cupidity that has led our Warfare State to try to extend
>>>>> NATO to Ukraine beggars belief.  It's like Khrushchev inviting
>>>>> Mexico to
>>>>> join the Warsaw Pact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yo, ruler-types: ddg for "buffer state".
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But the Ukrainians should have some say. Maybe they want to be more
>>>> european.
>>>
>>> Nobody over here is trying to prevent that.  It's just beyond stupid to
>>> back the Russians into a corner like that--a nuclear-armed state with
>>> nothing left to lose is....
>
>>
>> I don't think anything happened to back Russia into a corner. I do
>> think that Putin is insane and dreams of empire.
>>
>> Bad that he has nukes.
>>
>> It's crazy that the fates of so many depend on the emotions of one.

Yes. At least Trump had the decency to leave quietly when his term was
over, rather than changing the constitution in order to stay on as
president.

>>
>
> Think about that Mexico -> Warsaw pact idea.  It's a pretty close
> parallel, I think.

There is a big difference - Mexico is on the opposite side of the world
to the ex-USSR, while Ukraine is adjacent to NATO countries.

Oh, and NATO did not try to invite Ukraine to join, nor did the EU - it
is Ukraine that /asked/ to join. Again, a big difference.

I agree with you that it would be daft for NATO to push Russia into a
corner. But it is /Russia/, or more specifically /Putin/, that has
pushed Ukraine towards NATO. It is his fault, totally and completely,
not NATO's or Ukraine's.

>
> I make no apologies for Putin, who was and is a murderous thug.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
>

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 12:47:26 PM UTC-6, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> Am 27.02.22 um 19:05 schrieb jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> > On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:21:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
> > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
> >> Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
> >>
> >> https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
> >
> > Some defect in human socialization lets insane people become in
> > charge.
> Wow! That from a Trump fan!
> > Maybe the finite human life span is nature's way of limiting that
> > effect.
> Putler's corticoid face suggests his time is limited.
>
I think I even spied a graft and asked about the graft

The answer said it just needs rest but they will put in a catheter so he doesn't because he is likely to tear it again

mk5000

With that fifth in just one clip
My fans asking me bleek, you dissing squads?
Ma I'm dissing everyone
And everyone feel they involve--Memphis Bleek – They Will Never Play Me

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:08:03 PM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2022/02/27 9:21 a.m., Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
> > Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
> >
> > https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
> >
> Of course Putin also realizes that if he tried to start a nuclear war
> that his generals, etc., would simply stop him. He would have an
> unexpected heart attack. Possibly from some sharp, handy object.
>
> It is simply another bluff.
>

Why isn't possible these illnesses and attacks have already occurred

He appears so infrequently these days
Why wouldn't it be possible they have stuck him in dialysis 3 times per week now?

Or don’t know yet?

mk5000

They say there's nothing we can do
Just stand back
But while the government comforts you
Says "Let's be patient"

https://www.letssingit.com/the-living-end-lyrics-have-they-forgotten-gbm2l8k
LetsSingIt - The Internet Lyrics Database

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:07:40 PM UTC-6, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid>
> wrote:
> >On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >> If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
> >> Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
> >>
> >> https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
> >>
> >
> >The delusional maniac knows there's risk that he'll deposed, and then
> >either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
> >the world with him in WW3.
> >
> >Sylvia.
>
> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
>
> What a nut case. Wasn't Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
>

>

dialysis

I am convinced that is the reason for the need for clean environment

I bet Sometimes when he wakes up after a session he is confused and it takes him a while to realize where she is

Trump was never a germaphobe

I could see him getting caught with a.
paramour and telling his wife of the moment

But honey you know I would never sleep with anyone but you, I'm a germaphobe

mk5000

He belongs to me, the boy is mine
Must you do the things you do
You keep on acting like a fool
You need to know it's me not you--Brandy & Monica - The Boy Is Mine

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT), M Kfivethousand
<marika5000@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:07:40 PM UTC-6, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> >On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> >> If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
>> >> Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
>> >>
>> >> https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
>> >>
>> >
>> >The delusional maniac knows there's risk that he'll deposed, and then
>> >either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
>> >the world with him in WW3.
>> >
>> >Sylvia.
>>
>> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
>>
>> What a nut case. Wasn't Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
>>
>
>>
>
>dialysis
>
>I am convinced that is the reason for the need for clean environment
>
>I bet Sometimes when he wakes up after a session he is confused and it takes him a while to realize where she is
>
>Trump was never a germaphobe
>
>I could see him getting caught with a.
> paramour and telling his wife of the moment
>
>But honey you know I would never sleep with anyone but you, I'm a germaphobe

There are a lot of germs available. Monogamy has legal and health
benefits.

>
>mk5000
>
>
>He belongs to me, the boy is mine
>Must you do the things you do
>You keep on acting like a fool
>You need to know it's me not you--Brandy & Monica - The Boy Is Mine

I know people who are extreme germophobes, but ride bikes on the
streets of San Francisco.

Miscalibration of risks.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

lørdag den 19. marts 2022 kl. 23.49.17 UTC+1 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT), M Kfivethousand
> <marik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:07:40 PM UTC-6, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >> >> If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
> >> >> Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >The delusional maniac knows there's risk that he'll deposed, and then
> >> >either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
> >> >the world with him in WW3.
> >> >
> >> >Sylvia.
> >>
> >> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
> >>
> >> What a nut case. Wasn't Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >dialysis
> >
> >I am convinced that is the reason for the need for clean environment
> >
> >I bet Sometimes when he wakes up after a session he is confused and it takes him a while to realize where she is
> >
> >Trump was never a germaphobe
> >
> >I could see him getting caught with a.
> > paramour and telling his wife of the moment
> >
> >But honey you know I would never sleep with anyone but you, I'm a germaphobe
> There are a lot of germs available. Monogamy has legal and health
> benefits.

and stops the most desirable powerful men from "hoarding" all the women, leaving a bunch angry
frustrated young men that feel left out, and that is never a good thing, unless you want to start a war

On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>lørdag den 19. marts 2022 kl. 23.49.17 UTC+1 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT), M Kfivethousand
>> <marik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:07:40 PM UTC-6, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:59:14 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On 28-Feb-22 4:21 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> >> >> If true, this makes for an extremely dangerous circumstance. The last thing anyone needs is to have an enormous number of hair trigger nuclear weapons on "high" alert.
>> >> >> Even a fraction of a full scale exchange will end western civilization as we know it for a long time to come.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-moscow-2e4e1cf784f22b6afbe5a2f936725550
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >The delusional maniac knows there's risk that he'll deposed, and then
>> >> >either imprisoned for life, or executed, so he wants to take the rest of
>> >> >the world with him in WW3.
>> >> >
>> >> >Sylvia.
>> >>
>> >> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/kremlin-installs-special-antiseptic-tunnels-protect-putin-71297852
>> >>
>> >> What a nut case. Wasn't Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >dialysis
>> >
>> >I am convinced that is the reason for the need for clean environment
>> >
>> >I bet Sometimes when he wakes up after a session he is confused and it takes him a while to realize where she is
>> >
>> >Trump was never a germaphobe
>> >
>> >I could see him getting caught with a.
>> > paramour and telling his wife of the moment
>> >
>> >But honey you know I would never sleep with anyone but you, I'm a germaphobe
>> There are a lot of germs available. Monogamy has legal and health
>> benefits.
>
>and stops the most desirable powerful men from "hoarding" all the women, leaving a bunch angry
>frustrated young men that feel left out, and that is never a good thing, unless you want to start a war
>
>
>

This is a pretty good book.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250236061

It talks a bit about that sort of thing.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 8:13:45 PM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> This is a pretty good book.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250236061
>
> It talks a bit about that sort of thing.
>
>
Thanks
I will check it out

Taking a u turn back to the subject header referencing probable testosterone poisoning victim Putin

He must have put Russia on high nuclear alert because he made a huge mess of Chernobyl

all the past stories say how the place has been turned into lush undisturbed forests with wildlife, due to no presence of humans.
all the plants and animals thrive here for decades, but the dumb russkies got radiation poisoning in less than a month

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/

"Russian soldiers who seized the site of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster drove their armoured vehicles without radiation protection through a highly toxic zone called the "Red Forest", kicking up clouds of radioactive dust, workers at the site said."