Bullshit!

Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.

John S wrote:
==========
> Bullshit!
>
> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
> not a war crime, it's murder.

** GIANT huh ??

War crimes ARE murders committed during a war.

...... Phil

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:10:56 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> Yada yada yada. Your country has committed "war crimes" during war, too.
>
> Wncouraging civilians to lob Molotov cocktails at soldiers is a war crime.

No, that's fair game in rules of engagement, even with poison.

> Anybody who doesn't question Ukraine's 100% state-controlled media is a
> FOOL.

CNN (and others) has their own reporters on the ground, they are certainly not Ukraine's media.

On 4/4/2022 10:14 PM, John S wrote:
> Bullshit!
>
> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
> not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.

Putin is an animal, Zelenskyy is even looking more like Fidel Castro
every day with his beatnik beard and olive drab sweater vests, and Joe
Biden is out to lunch.

The longer the world manages to stumble along more-or-less OK despite
these dopes best efforts to annihilate it becomes ever more evidence of
a personal God, IMO.

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:10:56 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> Yada yada yada. Your country has committed "war crimes" during war, too.
>
> Wncouraging civilians to lob Molotov cocktails at soldiers is a war crime.
>
> Anybody who doesn't question Ukraine's 100% state-controlled media is a
> FOOL.

Shear WHATABOUTISM: each crime MUST be judged by its OWN merits. There is NO QUESTION that these are war crimes that must be prosecuted. The question is what orders came directly from Putin. As usual, the coverup is worse than the original crime.

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:44:23 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:10:56 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> > Yada yada yada. Your country has committed "war crimes" during war, too.
> >
> > Wncouraging civilians to lob Molotov cocktails at soldiers is a war crime.
> >
> > Anybody who doesn't question Ukraine's 100% state-controlled media is a
> > FOOL.
> Shear WHATABOUTISM: each crime MUST be judged by its OWN merits. There is NO QUESTION that these are war crimes that must be prosecuted. The question is what orders came directly from Putin. As usual, the coverup is worse than the original crime.

It was likely a complete breakdown in command and control. But Putin is still ultimately responsibility for not enforcing rules of his army.

On 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
> Bullshit!
>
> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
> not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.

When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
it is a war crime.

What the Russian soldiers did here was murder /and/ a war crime. It is
both. But it should be investigated and handled as a military crime - a
war crime - rather than a civilian crime ("normal" murder) since they
are soldiers.

And as soldiers obeying orders, and supposedly controlled by superior
officers, then the responsibility for the crime lies with the soldiers
on front line pulling the trigger, and upwards through each layer of
officer and commander. It only stops if you can demonstrate that
someone was directly disobeying orders, or acting against training and
standard policy, and the commanding officer could not reasonably be
expected to know such criminal actions were likely or had happened.

Thus if some soldier or lower officer goes "rogue" and commits
atrocities, the higher officer is not to blame. But if that lower
officer is known to disregard the rules of war, or if the training
includes criminal methods of subduing a population, or if the higher
officer said "I don't care how you do it, just take control of the town"
- then the officer is equally guilty.

In the case of the Russian military, with its known structure and
training, and known history in other conflicts, /everyone/ was aware
that the Geneva Convention is regularly ignored at all levels in the
Russian military. The responsibility for war crimes goes all the way to
the top.

Yes, Putin is responsible for murder. He is /also/ a war criminal.

David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
=========================
> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
> > Bullshit!
> >
> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>
> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
> it is a war crime.
>

** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
Not one bit simple.
Unlike YOU sunshine.

....... Phil

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 09:41:28 +0200, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

>On 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>> Bullshit!
>>
>> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>> not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>
>When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>it is a war crime.
>
>What the Russian soldiers did here was murder /and/ a war crime. It is
>both. But it should be investigated and handled as a military crime - a
>war crime - rather than a civilian crime ("normal" murder) since they
>are soldiers.
>
>And as soldiers obeying orders, and supposedly controlled by superior
>officers, then the responsibility for the crime lies with the soldiers
>on front line pulling the trigger, and upwards through each layer of
>officer and commander. It only stops if you can demonstrate that
>someone was directly disobeying orders, or acting against training and
>standard policy, and the commanding officer could not reasonably be
>expected to know such criminal actions were likely or had happened.
>
>Thus if some soldier or lower officer goes "rogue" and commits
>atrocities, the higher officer is not to blame. But if that lower
>officer is known to disregard the rules of war, or if the training
>includes criminal methods of subduing a population, or if the higher
>officer said "I don't care how you do it, just take control of the town"
>- then the officer is equally guilty.
>
>In the case of the Russian military, with its known structure and
>training, and known history in other conflicts, /everyone/ was aware
>that the Geneva Convention is regularly ignored at all levels in the
>Russian military. The responsibility for war crimes goes all the way to
>the top.
>
>Yes, Putin is responsible for murder. He is /also/ a war criminal.

The Russian soldiers seem to be poorly trained and poorly lead and
poorly fed, in a war that makes no sense. The locals are shooting and
rocketing and even poisoning them. Some of them are going to get
crazy.

It wouldn't surprise me if some degree of terror is policy from the
very top. Putin is a psychopath.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>=========================
>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>> > Bullshit!
>> >
>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>
>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>> it is a war crime.
>>
>
>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
> Not one bit simple.
> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>
>
>
>...... Phil

If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
call it.

Same for shelling apartment buildings.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 20:19:48 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:10:56 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> Yada yada yada. Your country has committed "war crimes" during war, too.
>>
>> Wncouraging civilians to lob Molotov cocktails at soldiers is a war crime.
>
>No, that's fair game in rules of engagement, even with poison.
>
>> Anybody who doesn't question Ukraine's 100% state-controlled media is a
>> FOOL.
>
>CNN (and others) has their own reporters on the ground, they are certainly not Ukraine's media.

CNN are the Kings of Fake News. They've been caught out countless
times fabricating fictitious news stories. No one should take
*anything* they say at face value or place *any* faith in it
whatsoever. And that also goes for MSNBC, the BBC and almost all the
others, too.

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 20:44:19 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:10:56 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> Yada yada yada. Your country has committed "war crimes" during war, too.
>>
>> Wncouraging civilians to lob Molotov cocktails at soldiers is a war crime.
>>
>> Anybody who doesn't question Ukraine's 100% state-controlled media is a
>> FOOL.
>
>Shear WHATABOUTISM: each crime MUST be judged by its OWN merits. There is NO QUESTION that these are war crimes that must be prosecuted. The question is what orders came directly from Putin. As usual, the coverup is worse than the original crime.

The Russian army/ Red Army has a rich tradition of gratuitous
brutality in war. It goes back at least a hundred years. The army's
personel are more than capable of indulging in these vile behaviours
completely autonomously. It's simply their heritage; their culture and
tradition. Essentially a calling card if you will.
If you take on the Russians, you'd better win, for the consequences
for your civilians if you lose are unthinkable.

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
><pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>>=========================
>>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>>> > Bullshit!
>>> >
>>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>>> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>
>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>>> it is a war crime.
>>>
>>
>>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
>> Not one bit simple.
>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>
>>
>>
>>...... Phil
>
>If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>call it.
>
>Same for shelling apartment buildings.

It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.
They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
would not put anything past Zelensky.
This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
Zelensky's making - not Putin.

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 23:24:29 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>The longer the world manages to stumble along more-or-less OK despite
>these dopes best efforts to annihilate it becomes ever more evidence of
>a personal God, IMO.

Or the next best thing!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
>><pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>>>=========================
>>>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>>>> > Bullshit!
>>>> >
>>>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>>>> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>>
>>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>>>> it is a war crime.
>>>>
>>>
>>>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
>>> Not one bit simple.
>>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>...... Phil
>>
>>If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>>call it.
>>
>>Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>
>It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?

All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
Russia.

>They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
>perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
>would not put anything past Zelensky.

How about the BBC?

>This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
>Zelensky's making - not Putin.

Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn't like.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
> wrote:
> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
> ><palli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
> >>=========================
> >>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
> >>> > Bullshit!
> >>> >
> >>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
> >>> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
> >>>
> >>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
> >>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
> >>> it is a war crime.
> >>>
> >>
> >>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
> >> Not one bit simple.
> >> Unlike YOU sunshine.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>...... Phil
> >
> >If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
> >call it.
> >
> >Same for shelling apartment buildings.
> It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.

They would have to be staged with cooperation from Russian soldiers. There are satellite images of mass grave taken during Russian occupation. The media didn't know what they were, but can now be confirmed.

> They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
> perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
> would not put anything past Zelensky.
> This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
> Zelensky's making - not Putin.

It's two men's war, but we know who is the aggressor.

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
>>><pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>>>>=========================
>>>>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>>>>> > Bullshit!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
>>>>> > its not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or
>>>>> military - it is a war crime.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a
>>>>war scenario.
>>>> Not one bit simple.
>>>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>...... Phil
>>>
>>>If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>>>call it.
>>>
>>>Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>>
>>It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.
>
> Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?
>
> All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
> same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
> Russia.
>
>
>
>>They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
>>perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
>>would not put anything past Zelensky.
>
> How about the BBC?
>
>>This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
>>Zelensky's making - not Putin.
>
> Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn't like.

Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

--
MRM

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
==================================
>> >
> >> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
> >> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
> >>
> >> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
> >> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
> >> it is a war crime.
> >>
> >
> >** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
> > Not one bit simple.
> > Unlike YOU sunshine.
> >
>
> If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
> call it.

** How about will call it Fred ?

> Same for shelling apartment buildings.

** But fire bombing them like the UK and USA did in WW2 is OK ?
Not one bit simple.....

.... Phil

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 12:13:49 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
>> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
>> ><palli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>> >>=========================
>> >>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>> >>> > Bullshit!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>> >>> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>> >>>
>> >>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>> >>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>> >>> it is a war crime.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
>> >> Not one bit simple.
>> >> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>...... Phil
>> >
>> >If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>> >call it.
>> >
>> >Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>> It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.
>
>They would have to be staged with cooperation from Russian soldiers. There are satellite images of mass grave taken during Russian occupation. The media didn't know what they were, but can now be confirmed.
>
>> They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
>> perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
>> would not put anything past Zelensky.
>> This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
>> Zelensky's making - not Putin.
>
>It's two men's war, but we know who is the aggressor.

Indeed - Zelensky. Zelensky's the one calling for blood and iron in
this conflict. And he's been given a global platform from which to do
so. Does it not strike anyone as odd how this nobody from a fifth-rate
pseudo state has been able to personally address the parliaments of
any and every nation (and supranational bodies) with any influence
whatsoever? This is totally without precedent! His increasingly
desperate attempts to drag the rest of the world (at the grave risk of
WW3) into aiding his irrelevant little former province in what would
otherwise remain a minor localized incursion?
Seems screamingly obvious to me at least that something much bigger is
afoot here: the Globalists want to topple Putin and seize control of
Russia, chiefly to plunder it for its rich mineral resources which
they and their cronies will make even more money out of than the
obscene amounts they have already. And thanks to their corrupt buddies
in the MSM, the credulous public are cheering them on with a will.
Seems we never learn. Sigh....
:(

On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 12:06:01 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
>>><pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>>>>=========================
>>>>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>>>>> > Bullshit!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>>>>> > not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>>>>> it is a war crime.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
>>>> Not one bit simple.
>>>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>...... Phil
>>>
>>>If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>>>call it.
>>>
>>>Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>>
>>It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.
>
>Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?
>
>All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
>same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
>Russia.
>
>
>
>>They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
>>perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
>>would not put anything past Zelensky.
>
>How about the BBC?
>
>>This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
>>Zelensky's making - not Putin.
>
>Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn't like.

Allegedly. We don't know if he himself orders the poisonings or
they're undertaken by maverick rogue elements who support him.
The really interesting thing about the poisons is that so few people
die from them. This is curious indeed. It would be a trivial matter to
kill those people by means of poisoning if it were desired so to do.
For example, there is a certain crown ether - I won't say which
particular one here but the Russians will *certainly* be aware of it -
which in minute doses is a reliable death-bringer AND is completely
untraceable. The death appears to be natural. Unexplained perhaps, but
natural. Now *that* - or any one of a legion of other such agents - is
what they *would* use if they intended lethal consequences. So we can
safely assume they don't. The question remains: why? To fire some kind
of 'warning shot' across the bows of their opponents? Your guess is as
good as mine.

John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote in
news:t2g8jp$jag$1@dont-email.me:

> Bullshit!
>
> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
> its not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>

Yes, and doing it with a military is called a war crime.
Can you really be that thick skulled?

On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

>John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
>>>><pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>>>>>=========================
>>>>>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>>>>>> > Bullshit!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
>>>>>> > its not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>>>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or
>>>>>> military - it is a war crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a
>>>>>war scenario.
>>>>> Not one bit simple.
>>>>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>...... Phil
>>>>
>>>>If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>>>>call it.
>>>>
>>>>Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>>>
>>>It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.
>>
>> Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?
>>
>> All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
>> same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
>> Russia.
>>
>>
>>
>>>They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
>>>perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
>>>would not put anything past Zelensky.
>>
>> How about the BBC?
>>
>>>This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
>>>Zelensky's making - not Putin.
>>
>> Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn't like.
>
>Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

I think maybe he's Russian.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On 05/04/2022 16:37, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
> <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>> =========================
>>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>>>> Bullshit!
>>>>
>>>> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>>>> not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>
>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>>> it is a war crime.
>>>
>>
>> ** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
>> Not one bit simple.
>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>
>>
>>
>> ...... Phil
>
> If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
> call it.
>
> Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>

Legally - in terms of who you can prosecute, which courts can handle it,
and what punishments can be given, it matters a very great deal whether
you call it "murder" or a "war crime".

Morally - in terms of "is this an atrocity or not", then I agree the
terms don't matter. Actions are what count here.

On 06/04/2022 05:12, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 21:26:04 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 19:33:51 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:37:55 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 01:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
>>>>> <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> David Brown Bullshit Artist wrote:
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> 05/04/2022 04:14, John S wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bullshit!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back
>>>>>>>> its not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>>>>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or
>>>>>>> military - it is a war crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a
>>>>>> war scenario.
>>>>>> Not one bit simple.
>>>>>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...... Phil
>>>>>
>>>>> If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>>>>> call it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>>>>
>>>> It's a BIG 'if' IMO. Those pictures could easily have been staged.
>>>
>>> Did people volunteer to be dead for pictures?
>>>
>>> All sorts of news agencies are reporting from Ukraine, and tell the
>>> same stories. No independent reporters are reporting are allowed in
>>> Russia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> They have been in the past and will be in the future. Public
>>>> perceptions need to be carefully managed in situations like this and I
>>>> would not put anything past Zelensky.
>>>
>>> How about the BBC?

The BBC is a solid choice for independent and unbiased (except obviously
for the bias in reporting on things of interest to the UK) news. No
media is perfect, but state-funded media from free, democratic and open
countries work very hard to be free from any perceptible bias.
Privately owned media can show whatever subjective views their owners
want. (And of course state media from non-free countries have to say
whatever the state tells them.)

I'd also recommend NRK, which is the Norwegian equivalent of the BBC, as
a solid source of independent information. It has the disadvantage, for
non-Norwegians, of being in Norwegian. I don't know of any other
English-language equivalent to the BBC - maybe there is something from
Canada or New Zealand? The American CNN news is, I think, quite
reliable but you always have to be a little suspicious of hidden agenda
when it has private owners.

Al Jazeera is another option for a source that strives to be unbiased,
and is certainly not pro-west.

Comparing multiple independent sources is always good.

>>>
>>>> This *is* "one man's war" as the media keep telling us. But it's of
>>>> Zelensky's making - not Putin.
>>>
>>> Good grief. Putin poisons people he doesn't like.
>>
>> Cursitor Doom is a troll. Don't feed the trolls.
>
> I think maybe he's Russian.
>

I don't think he is Russian, but he certainly seems to believe
everything Russian propaganda says without question. He also believes
in many other bizarre conspiracy theories and myths.

I don't think he is a troll, however - I think he really has had his
brains turned to mush from too much RT.

On 05/04/2022 23:32, Phil Allison wrote:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> ==================================
> >> >
>>>>> Any time a person is shot with their hands tied behind their back its
>>>>> not a war crime, it's murder. Putin is a murder.
>>>>
>>>> When soldiers (according to the official definition of "armed
>>>> combatants") murder someone from the other side - civilian or military -
>>>> it is a war crime.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ** Only moves the goalposts to defining what constitutes "murder" in a war scenario.
>>> Not one bit simple.
>>> Unlike YOU sunshine.
>>>
>>
>> If you tie someone's hands and shoot them, it doesn't matter what you
>> call it.
>
> ** How about will call it Fred ?
>
>> Same for shelling apartment buildings.
>
> ** But fire bombing them like the UK and USA did in WW2 is OK ?
> Not one bit simple.....
>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism>

The UK, the USA, and every other country involved in WW2 committed
atrocities - including fire bombing.

Whether or not you think they were justified as a means to an end, and
preventing further deaths or misery, is a different question - and one
with many opinions. Whether they were "legitimate attacks" or "war
crimes" is a legal matter.

But no matter what any country did in the past, it is no excuse or
justification for what Russia is doing /now/.