I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8

They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.

It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
>
> They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
>
> It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?

Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> > I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
> >
> > They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
> >
> > It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54?PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> > I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
>> >
>> > They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
>> >
>> > It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?

>> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.

>As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?

All the Basic language ports originated with Dartmouth College BASIC,
not Microsoft or Apple:
<https://www.dartmouth.edu/basicfifty/basic.html>
When Generous Electric included it for free along with their
computers, the language effectively landed in the public domain.

Going back one generation, BASIC, GOTRAN and others are based on
FORTRAN II. I learned GOTRAN on an IBM 1620 and later NEWTRAN,
FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and of course BASIC on a GE-415.
<https://www.thoughtco.com/history-basic-programming-language-1991662>

Why used BASIC? I would guess(tm) because it's easy and most everyone
seem to know how to use it. One can also write unstructured spaghetti
code and it will (usually) work.

BASIC mutations:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 10/27/2023 4:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54?PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>>>> I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
>>>>
>>>> They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
>>>>
>>>> It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
>
>>> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
>
>> As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
>
> All the Basic language ports originated with Dartmouth College BASIC,
> not Microsoft or Apple:
> <https://www.dartmouth.edu/basicfifty/basic.html>
> When Generous Electric included it for free along with their
> computers, the language effectively landed in the public domain.
>
> Going back one generation, BASIC, GOTRAN and others are based on
> FORTRAN II. I learned GOTRAN on an IBM 1620 and later NEWTRAN,
> FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and of course BASIC on a GE-415.
> <https://www.thoughtco.com/history-basic-programming-language-1991662>
>
> Why used BASIC? I would guess(tm) because it's easy and most everyone
> seem to know how to use it. One can also write unstructured spaghetti
> code and it will (usually) work.
>
> BASIC mutations:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects>
>

"because it's easy and most everyone seem to know how to use
it."

Yes.

Being far from an industry expert, this bicycle mechanic
with no training taught himself enough VIC BASIC to get a
multi location bicycle inventory program up and running in a
couple of weeks. We used that for five years, even after I
bought an IBM XT (where I wrote in Lotus 123 macros),
because it worked. The manager who updated every morning and
made printouts for the various store locations didn't need
anything more.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 17:41:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>"because it's easy and most everyone seem to know how to use
>it."
>
>Yes.
>
>Being far from an industry expert, this bicycle mechanic
>with no training taught himself enough VIC BASIC to get a
>multi location bicycle inventory program up and running in a
>couple of weeks.

Very impressive. In the distant past, I inherited three VIC-20
computahs. The deal was that if I could fix at least one of the
three, I would get one for free. I fixed all three, but only kept
one. As a learning exercise, I scribbled a few useless programs in
BASIC. I eventually produced something worthwhile, but it was too
late. Bigger, better and faster machines (C-64) were becoming
available. Here's a description of trying to help my father with his
Altos 986 MP/M-86 (later Xenix) machine:
<https://groups.google.com/g/ba.mountain-folk/c/4j3GxOgtHr4/m/9UAmFlX9BAAJ>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altos_Computer_Systems>
The main application was AOS (Altos Office System), which was written
in a long forgotten BASIC language mutation. Since I was going to
college at the time, I was able to apply what I learned on my father's
machine to hacking the school computers. Notice the various BASIC
mutations were a key component for literally every computer during
those days.

>We used that for five years, even after I
>bought an IBM XT (where I wrote in Lotus 123 macros),
>because it worked.

I bought an IBM 5150 PC in 1982 or 1983. Initially no hard disk
drive. It came with PC-DOS 1.1 and IBM BASIC. I kept upgrading the
hardware and software until it was almost an XP. Along the way, I
decided to buy SuperCalc instead of Lotus 1-2-3. Everyone had copies
of Lotus 1-2-3, but nobody had SuperCalc, making Supercalc excellent
trading material for building my software collection.

I was helping several small businesses use Lotus 1-2-3 to run their
businesses. When the macros worked as expected, it was great. When
something went wrong, fixing the broken macros was rather difficult.
It was much easier to do with a real programming language, such as
BASIC.

>The manager who updated every morning and
>made printouts for the various store locations didn't need
>anything more.

That's a really good thing. I've seen too many business software
packages that are so full of features, functions, bells, and whistles
that the fundamental purpose of having the computer becomes lost in
the clutter of feature. Not having to deal with too many features is
one of the big benefits of writing your own management software.
Nicely done.

On the other foot, bicycle maintenance might soon be replaced by AI
(artificial intelligence). Lots of links an a few video demos on the
topic:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=ai+bicycle+repair>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 17:41:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 10/27/2023 4:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54?PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
>>>>>
>>>>> They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
>>
>>>> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
>>
>>> As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
>>
>> All the Basic language ports originated with Dartmouth College BASIC,
>> not Microsoft or Apple:
>> <https://www.dartmouth.edu/basicfifty/basic.html>
>> When Generous Electric included it for free along with their
>> computers, the language effectively landed in the public domain.
>>
>> Going back one generation, BASIC, GOTRAN and others are based on
>> FORTRAN II. I learned GOTRAN on an IBM 1620 and later NEWTRAN,
>> FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and of course BASIC on a GE-415.
>> <https://www.thoughtco.com/history-basic-programming-language-1991662>
>>
>> Why used BASIC? I would guess(tm) because it's easy and most everyone
>> seem to know how to use it. One can also write unstructured spaghetti
>> code and it will (usually) work.
>>
>> BASIC mutations:
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects>
>>
>
>"because it's easy and most everyone seem to know how to use
>it."
>
>Yes.
>
>Being far from an industry expert, this bicycle mechanic
>with no training taught himself enough VIC BASIC to get a
>multi location bicycle inventory program up and running in a
>couple of weeks. We used that for five years, even after I
>bought an IBM XT (where I wrote in Lotus 123 macros),
>because it worked. The manager who updated every morning and
>made printouts for the various store locations didn't need
>anything more.

Years ago I was responsible for introducing Desk top computers into
the company. I bought an Apple II and discovered WordStar (written in
assembly language). Brought the computer into the office and showed my
secretary how to write letters on it and she immediately became the
envy of all the other secretaries who started browbeating their
bosses, "We Gotta Get A Computer in here!"
Back in those days Indonesia was unbelievable primitive and nearly
every thing more complex then a hammer had to be procured in
Singapore. We had a Singapore Office for procurement and a Project
would order a part, the Jakarta Office would forward the request, via
the daily courier, to Singapore who would then go to work and procure
the item(s) if they were available there and if not order from The
States. It was all pretty chaotic with requisitions being lost, orders
to the U.S. not filled, Project Managers screaming... So I wrote a
program in Basic to manage the system. One version in Jakarta and one
in Singapore. We used to transfer the data back and forth on a CD disk
so either office could print out an up to date report listing every
thing on order and what it's status was.

As the years went by more and better computer "languages" were
developed but the old Basic program just kept working and we used the
program until the company essentially got out of the supply business.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:15:01 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> > > I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
> > >
> > > They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
> > >
> > > It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
> > Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
> As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
>
Teach your child so that by the time he's old enough to be taken along on consulting jobs, Steve Jobs will tell him there's a job waiting once he graduates?
>
There were also some early travel computers which couldn't be programmed in anything else without enormous contortions. I used an Epson PX8 (US: Epson Paris, for some unfathomable reason -- my Paris lawyer, Maitre Olivier wrote with a goose quill) to write some books roundabout the late 70s, early 80s when I was on the road. The PX8 (1) had an LCD strip window, and I programmed a game for it, a plane diving on a moving car and another plane which had to shoot it down before it rocketed the car -- in the BASIC that came with it.
>
Andre Jute
Scenes from a bizarre life -- what I'll call my memoirs.
>

On 10/27/2023 6:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
>>
>
> "because it's easy and most everyone seem to know how to use it."
>
> Yes.
>
> Being far from an industry expert, this bicycle mechanic with no
> training taught himself enough VIC BASIC to get a multi location bicycle
> inventory program up and running in a couple of weeks. We used that for
> five years, even after I bought an IBM XT (where I wrote in Lotus 123
> macros), because it worked. The manager who updated every morning and
> made printouts for the various store locations didn't need anything more.

One guy who long ago got an Associate's Degree in our program (he chose
not to finish the Bachelor's) was in management at a welding fabrication
company, one noted for large complex projects.

I visited him there and he showed me the system he had developed for
tracking project documentation, materials, sub-assembly completions,
inspections, etc. up to project completion and shipping. I was impressed
and asked him how he wrote it. Turns out he did it all in BASIC.

Obviously, BASIC has its serious limitations and there are better
languages for most purposes. These days, BASIC is about dead. But a lot
of practical work has been done in BASIC.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:49:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54?PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>>> > I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
>>> >
>>> > They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
>>> >
>>> > It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
>
>>> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
>
>>As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
>
>All the Basic language ports originated with Dartmouth College BASIC,
>not Microsoft or Apple:
><https://www.dartmouth.edu/basicfifty/basic.html>
>When Generous Electric included it for free along with their
>computers, the language effectively landed in the public domain.
>
>Going back one generation, BASIC, GOTRAN and others are based on
>FORTRAN II. I learned GOTRAN on an IBM 1620 and later NEWTRAN,
>FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and of course BASIC on a GE-415.
><https://www.thoughtco.com/history-basic-programming-language-1991662>
>
>Why used BASIC? I would guess(tm) because it's easy and most everyone
>seem to know how to use it. One can also write unstructured spaghetti
>code and it will (usually) work.
>
>BASIC mutations:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects>

Nowdays, many programming languages are object oriented. I don't
believe there are any object oriented versions of basic, but I could
be wrong. I learned Fortran back in the 70s and from there it was easy
to program in C and Basic, and eventually to object oriented C++.

I've been playing around with Excel and Visual Basic and every now and
then I wish it was object oriented. I have my old C++ editor and
compiler on disks and I keep thinking I should buy a hrd disk reader
and see if they'll run on Windows 10.

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/27/2023 4:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54?PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> >>>> I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
> >>>>
> >>>> They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
> >
> >>> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
> >
> >> As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
> >
> > All the Basic language ports originated with Dartmouth College BASIC,
> > not Microsoft or Apple:
> > <https://www.dartmouth.edu/basicfifty/basic.html>
> > When Generous Electric included it for free along with their
> > computers, the language effectively landed in the public domain.
> >
> > Going back one generation, BASIC, GOTRAN and others are based on
> > FORTRAN II. I learned GOTRAN on an IBM 1620 and later NEWTRAN,
> > FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and of course BASIC on a GE-415.
> > <https://www.thoughtco.com/history-basic-programming-language-1991662>
> >
> > Why used BASIC? I would guess(tm) because it's easy and most everyone
> > seem to know how to use it. One can also write unstructured spaghetti
> > code and it will (usually) work.
> >
> > BASIC mutations:
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects>
> >
>
> "because it's easy and most everyone seem to know how to use
> it."
> Yes.
>
> Being far from an industry expert, this bicycle mechanic
> with no training taught himself enough VIC BASIC to get a
> multi location bicycle inventory program up and running in a
> couple of weeks. We used that for five years, even after I
> bought an IBM XT (where I wrote in Lotus 123 macros),
> because it worked. The manager who updated every morning and
> made printouts for the various store locations didn't need
> anything more.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> a...@yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Basic was good for office type programs and it was simple enough for most people to learn rapidly.

But check that out - Liebermann as usual spouts a bunch of bullshit about how he knows how to program and yet he couldn't get a job as a programmer. It must have been that EE degree getting in the way. Nobody could stand him and he couldn't get a recommendation so he fell back on the only job he could get - doing stupid work for people more stupid than he is.

Am 28.10.2023 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:49:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54?PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
>>>>>
>>>>> They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
>>
>>>> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
>>
>>> As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
>>
>> All the Basic language ports originated with Dartmouth College BASIC,
>> not Microsoft or Apple:
>> <https://www.dartmouth.edu/basicfifty/basic.html>
>> When Generous Electric included it for free along with their
>> computers, the language effectively landed in the public domain.
>>
>> Going back one generation, BASIC, GOTRAN and others are based on
>> FORTRAN II. I learned GOTRAN on an IBM 1620 and later NEWTRAN,
>> FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and of course BASIC on a GE-415.
>> <https://www.thoughtco.com/history-basic-programming-language-1991662>
>>
>> Why used BASIC? I would guess(tm) because it's easy and most everyone
>> seem to know how to use it. One can also write unstructured spaghetti
>> code and it will (usually) work.
>>
>> BASIC mutations:
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects>
>
> Nowdays, many programming languages are object oriented. I don't
> believe there are any object oriented versions of basic, but I could
> be wrong.

AMIGA-BASIC was quite object-oriented because is needed to heavily
interface with the UI libraries which were all written in
object-oriented C (or C++?).

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 3:34:05 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 28.10.2023 um 11:33 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> > On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:49:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 08:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:53:54?PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:44:27?AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> >>>>> I wonder if poor old Jay Beattie had to represent Mike Sinyard in any of these dog-doo lawsuits?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KwOXqap_8
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They were probably filed in U.S. District Court, and although I do have a PACER account, but I'm not going to look them up because I think I have better things to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's not too easy dealing with those damned clients sometimes. By the way, is a "Sinyard" anything like a "lustgarten"?
> >>
> >>>> Meh. Gates, saying that AppleBasic was MSBasic.
> >>
> >>> As a programmer why would you use Basic for anything?
> >>
> >> All the Basic language ports originated with Dartmouth College BASIC,
> >> not Microsoft or Apple:
> >> <https://www.dartmouth.edu/basicfifty/basic.html>
> >> When Generous Electric included it for free along with their
> >> computers, the language effectively landed in the public domain.
> >>
> >> Going back one generation, BASIC, GOTRAN and others are based on
> >> FORTRAN II. I learned GOTRAN on an IBM 1620 and later NEWTRAN,
> >> FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and of course BASIC on a GE-415.
> >> <https://www.thoughtco.com/history-basic-programming-language-1991662>
> >>
> >> Why used BASIC? I would guess(tm) because it's easy and most everyone
> >> seem to know how to use it. One can also write unstructured spaghetti
> >> code and it will (usually) work.
> >>
> >> BASIC mutations:
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BASIC_dialects>
> >
> > Nowdays, many programming languages are object oriented. I don't
> > believe there are any object oriented versions of basic, but I could
> > be wrong.
> AMIGA-BASIC was quite object-oriented because is needed to heavily
> interface with the UI libraries which were all written in
> object-oriented C (or C++?).

Basic is simple to understand which in the normal course of events means that it uses very large blocks of code so that simple statements can he used to do complex things. So Basic code takes up a LOT of room and is inefficient as hell on microprocessors. I used assembly language or C to keep the code small and fast. This was so effective that I was in very large demand, And yet we now have Liebermann pretending that he knows how to program. And Krygowski who doesn't understand real work thinks that companies should keep on very high cost R&D after a job is completed. Is there any questions as to why ALL of the advances in EE have come from
Silicon Valley before the Democrats decided to put them out of business?

``On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:49:00 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>AMIGA-BASIC

https://www.educative.io/blog/object-oriented-programming#what-is-oop

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> ``On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:49:00 +0100, Rolf Mantel
> <ne...@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>
> >AMIGA-BASIC
>
> https://www.educative.io/blog/object-oriented-programming#what-is-oop
But, again, objects are general purpose and so contain a LOT more code than necessary than if you use straight line coding. (i.e. the last object has to save all of the variables and the new object has to extract all of the variables and then saving the changes on the way out) You can write objects in Assembly language as well. In my last job a rather famous programmer had died when he was almost finished with an assembly program. When I assembled it it appeared to be far too large so I rapidly re-wrote it in C and the code was much smaller and more rapid. In the unit with the very powerful processor it wouldn't have made much difference but the mating unit had a small and slow unit that would have been crippled with that large block of code.

In my experience, object oriented programming is useful only for people that can't think rapidly enough to write entirely new programs from scratch.

Am Mon, 30 Oct 2023 10:49:00 +0100 schrieb Rolf Mantel
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>AMIGA-BASIC was quite object-oriented because is needed to heavily
>interface with the UI libraries which were all written in
>object-oriented C (or C++?).

Do you remember REXX? In the 1980s, a Canadian visiting scientist on the
team I was working with praised his Amiga's ARexx interpreter as a
universal automation tool.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARexx>

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