https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk

The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.

I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park. Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.

So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
>
> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>
> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>
> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
>
They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
achieve that.

Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!

Roger Merriman

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:56:03 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
>
> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>
> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park. Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>
> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?

So some youtube clips of people just barely reach 200 rpm on rollers for a few seconds is proof you did 200 rpm all the way to who knows where. I don’t believe you did, sorry.

Lou.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
>>
>> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
>> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>>
>> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
>> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>>
>> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
>>
>They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
>achieve that.
>
>Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
>self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
>130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
>
>Roger Merriman

My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
is about 60.

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:30:09 p.m. UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:56:03 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> >
> > The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> >
> > I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park. Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> >
> > So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> So some youtube clips of people just barely reach 200 rpm on rollers for a few seconds is proof you did 200 rpm all the way to who knows where. I don’t believe you did, sorry.
>
>
> Lou.

Interesting to see the intense effort that Eddy Merckx made whilst spinning at a very high cadence on rollers where there was no headwind or other distractions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BcHekNAfOo

Perhaps Tom has two magnets on his cadence counter and wheel which would explain his Prime Tour Quality cadence and speeds? LOL ;<)

Cheers

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park. Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?

Google search couldn't find anything named Carnegie Cycle Park.
However, I did find a Carnegie State Vehicular Recreation Area near
Tracy CA.
<https://ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=1172>
It seems to be for
"Rugged off-roading tracks in a 5,000-acre state park for motorcycles,
4X4s & ATVs plus campsites."
I found no mention of cycling in the park.

Checking the road distance between the Park and Tracy, it's listed as
"mostly flat" for 12.6 miles.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/FsV7ZFKgboxWSTVGA>
That must have been a truly amazing ride with a VERY strong tailwind.

What day and time was this ride? Since you were kind enough to
disclose the location, I can check the past weather data for the
location, date and time. If there was a recorded hurricane in the
correct direction on that day, it would help you prove that there was
an appropriate tailwind.

I'm not sure what you mean by "past the park". Perhaps you woke up
this morning and discovered that you had actually started at the
entrance to the park. From the Tracy Hills Welcome Center, the ride
is about 6 miles.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/Wk4pvwGbZVQfyL6o9>
That's half the distance but still a rather long ride for you to spin
at 200 rpm.

Are amazing stories like this why you closed your Strava account and
deleted all your data? Surely you would have recorded this activity
demonstrating your amazing performance and abilities and received
appropriate kudos for being the worlds fastest disabled person.

01/06/2023
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/K-cG5lehtd0/m/X3FtbYbXAAAJ>
"I am permanently disabled and so is the cop who managed to get me
back from the last step from death."

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:30:09 p.m. UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:56:03 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> >
> > The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> >
> > I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park. Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> >
> > So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> So some youtube clips of people just barely reach 200 rpm on rollers for a few seconds is proof you did 200 rpm all the way to who knows where. I don’t believe you did, sorry.
>
>
> Lou.

Done indoors so no headwind or road pavement to slow one down as one steers etcetera. Nor any traffic or other things to watch out for.

I wonder just how many Grand Tours Tom has one? After all if he's this great at his present age he must have been better than the Grand Tour winners when he was in his twenties and thirties.

Two magnets instead of one on your wheel and crankarms can really boost cadence and speed readings without any extra effort from the rider. ;<) LOL

Cheers

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 5:47:57 p.m. UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:30:09 p.m. UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:56:03 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > >
> > > The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > >
> > > I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park. Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > >
> > > So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > So some youtube clips of people just barely reach 200 rpm on rollers for a few seconds is proof you did 200 rpm all the way to who knows where. I don’t believe you did, sorry.
> >
> >
> > Lou.
> Done indoors so no headwind or road pavement to slow one down as one steers etcetera. Nor any traffic or other things to watch out for.
>
> I wonder just how many Grand Tours Tom has won? After all if he's this great at his present age he must have been better than the Grand Tour winners when he was in his twenties and thirties.
>
> Two magnets instead of one on your wheel and crankarms can really boost cadence and speed readings without any extra effort from the rider. ;<) LOL
>
> Cheers

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 3:47:57 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:30:09 p.m. UTC-5, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:56:03 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > >
> > > The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > >
> > > I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park. Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > >
> > > So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > So some youtube clips of people just barely reach 200 rpm on rollers for a few seconds is proof you did 200 rpm all the way to who knows where. I don’t believe you did, sorry.
> >
> >
> > Lou.
> Done indoors so no headwind or road pavement to slow one down as one steers etcetera. Nor any traffic or other things to watch out for.
>
> I wonder just how many Grand Tours Tom has one? After all if he's this great at his present age he must have been better than the Grand Tour winners when he was in his twenties and thirties.
>
> Two magnets instead of one on your wheel and crankarms can really boost cadence and speed readings without any extra effort from the rider. ;<) LOL
>
> Cheers

How many miles do you have this year and how many feet of climbing? I'm at 5,000 miles and 180,000 feet of climbing and most of the climbing roads are still closed down do that I don't have access to longer miles and more climbing. And funny that I'm not calling myself "ridesalot".

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 15:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>Two magnets instead of one on your wheel and crankarms can really boost cadence and speed readings without any extra effort from the rider. ;<) LOL
>Cheers

I don't think that will work with Tom's Garmin setup. I vaguely
recall that Tom has a Garmin speed and cadence sensor. It uses an
accelerometer instead of a magnet:
<https://www.cardiosport.co.uk/cardiosport-speed-cadence-sensor>
<https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/641221>
Please ask Tom which sensor he was using. He doesn't answer my
questions. Also ask what wheel size and gears he was using. With
that information, I can calculate how fast he was going when he hit
200 rpm.

Also, I don't see how he could watch the Garmin cadence display while
riding on public roads at top speed in what looks like a built up
area.

I like your idea of adding a magnet. If one extra magnet can double
Tom's performance, imagine what adding a magnet on every spoke could
do.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 17:43:07 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
>>>
>>> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
>>> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>>>
>>> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
>>> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>>>
>>> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
>>>
>>They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
>>achieve that.
>>
>>Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
>>self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
>>130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
>>
>>Roger Merriman
>
>My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
>disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
>spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
>is about 60.

Well, power, i.e. Horsepower is a calculation based on RPM and Torque
so increasing RPM with the same force on the pedals results in more
power.

But then, there is no such thing as a "free lunch" so increasing RPM
likely results in an increase in exhausting (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 10/29/2023 5:21 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
>>
>> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
>> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>>
>> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
>> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>>
>> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
>>
> They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
> achieve that.

Exactly. I've seen it done in a roller demonstration. I timed it myself,
and I've described that here before.

I just don't believe Tom has done it, not even on rollers, let alone on
the road.

(Yet again, Tom's original post does not appear in my Eternal September
feed.)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:03:44 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > > >>
> > > >> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
> > > >> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > > >>
> > > >> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park..
> > > >> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > > >>
> > > >> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > > >>
> > > >They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
> > > >achieve that.
> > > >
> > > >Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
> > > >self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
> > > >130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
> > > >
> > > >Roger Merriman
> > > My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
> > > disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
> > > spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
> > > is about 60.
> > Almost everyone tops out between 120 and 140 rpm on normal roads. On rollers maybe a bit higher.
> >
> > Lou
> Lou, I told you at the time that when you're riding in a hard following wind you get the chance to loosen up your legs and holding that sort of cadence is not difficult. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that it can't be done. It requires a set of special circumstances and I had it for about 5 miles spun out in a 50-11.
>
> The fact that without a warmup and on rollers you think that means that it is unlikely doesn't mean that it is.

Riding at a cadence of 200 rpm is not loosining your legs. That is a serious effort that needs concentration. Tom you did not do 200 rpm just because you had a tail wind. Ridiculous.

Lou

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:38:22 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote::

>
> I like your idea of adding a magnet. If one extra magnet can double
> Tom's performance, imagine what adding a magnet on every spoke could
> do.
> --

As a joke we added a magnet on a ridings buddy bike at a coffee stop. It was his birthday. Man he was confused ;-). I have a Garmin speed sensor that somehow detects the earth magnetic field. On certain overpasses the speed drop to a very low value. From 30 km/hr to lets say 12 km/hr. Every time.

Lou

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 10/29/2023 5:21 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
>>>
>>> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
>>> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>>>
>>> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
>>> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>>>
>>> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
>>>
>> They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
>> achieve that.
>
> Exactly. I've seen it done in a roller demonstration. I timed it myself,
> and I've described that here before.
>
> I just don't believe Tom has done it, not even on rollers, let alone on
> the road.
>
> (Yet again, Tom's original post does not appear in my Eternal September
> feed.)
>

Only post that have disappeared on my feed have been two of yours but
possibly that was local network error, ie areas with WiFi that isn’t
connected and so on.

Roger Merriman

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 07:21:00 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 17:43:07 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
>>>>
>>>> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
>>>> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
>>>>
>>>> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
>>>> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
>>>>
>>>> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
>>>>
>>>They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
>>>achieve that.
>>>
>>>Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
>>>self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
>>>130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
>>>
>>>Roger Merriman
>>
>>My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
>>disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
>>spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
>>is about 60.
>
>Well, power, i.e. Horsepower is a calculation based on RPM and Torque
>so increasing RPM with the same force on the pedals results in more
>power.
>
>But then, there is no such thing as a "free lunch" so increasing RPM
>likely results in an increase in exhausting (:-)

Just like a big diesel engine would come apart if it went to the same
RPM as Formula 1 race car engines, my hips and knees would likely come
apart if got my cadence up over 150 RPM.

Am 29.10.2023 um 22:21 schrieb Roger Merriman:

> Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
> self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
> 130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!

When I had my first bike computer with cadence sensor around 1995, I
once sprinted out of the way of a double decker bus approaching behind
me, not thinking about shifting. By the time I managed to reach my
turn-off, the cadence sensor was showing 152 rpm. In those days, I
usually aimed for 110 to 120 rpm as 'cuising speed', normally leading to
peaks around 130 rpm.

These days, I usually have a max around 120 rpm peaks and an average
around 90-100 rpm.

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:39:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:03:44 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
> > > > >> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
> > > > >> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > > > >>
> > > > >They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
> > > > >achieve that.
> > > > >
> > > > >Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
> > > > >self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
> > > > >130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
> > > > >
> > > > >Roger Merriman
> > > > My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
> > > > disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
> > > > spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
> > > > is about 60.
> > > Almost everyone tops out between 120 and 140 rpm on normal roads. On rollers maybe a bit higher.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Lou, I told you at the time that when you're riding in a hard following wind you get the chance to loosen up your legs and holding that sort of cadence is not difficult. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that it can't be done. It requires a set of special circumstances and I had it for about 5 miles spun out in a 50-11.
> >
> > The fact that without a warmup and on rollers you think that means that it is unlikely doesn't mean that it is.
> Riding at a cadence of 200 rpm is not loosining your legs. That is a serious effort that needs concentration. Tom you did not do 200 rpm just because you had a tail wind. Ridiculous.
>
> Lou
If you're having that much trouble with the English language perhaps you should refrain from commenting.

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:44:58 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:39:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:03:44 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
> > > > > >> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
> > > > > >> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
> > > > > >achieve that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
> > > > > >self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
> > > > > >130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Roger Merriman
> > > > > My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
> > > > > disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
> > > > > spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
> > > > > is about 60.
> > > > Almost everyone tops out between 120 and 140 rpm on normal roads. On rollers maybe a bit higher.
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > Lou, I told you at the time that when you're riding in a hard following wind you get the chance to loosen up your legs and holding that sort of cadence is not difficult. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that it can't be done. It requires a set of special circumstances and I had it for about 5 miles spun out in a 50-11.
> > >
> > > The fact that without a warmup and on rollers you think that means that it is unlikely doesn't mean that it is.
> > Riding at a cadence of 200 rpm is not loosining your legs. That is a serious effort that needs concentration. Tom you did not do 200 rpm just because you had a tail wind. Ridiculous.
> >
> > Lou
> If you're having that much trouble with the English language perhaps you should refrain from commenting.

Maybe you should stop making BS claims: 141 km/hr downhill speed and 200 rpm cadence (for 5 miles?).

Lou

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:59:37 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:44:58 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:39:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:03:44 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
> > > > > > >> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
> > > > > > >> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
> > > > > > >achieve that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
> > > > > > >self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
> > > > > > >130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Roger Merriman
> > > > > > My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
> > > > > > disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
> > > > > > spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
> > > > > > is about 60.
> > > > > Almost everyone tops out between 120 and 140 rpm on normal roads. On rollers maybe a bit higher.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou
> > > > Lou, I told you at the time that when you're riding in a hard following wind you get the chance to loosen up your legs and holding that sort of cadence is not difficult. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that it can't be done. It requires a set of special circumstances and I had it for about 5 miles spun out in a 50-11.
> > > >
> > > > The fact that without a warmup and on rollers you think that means that it is unlikely doesn't mean that it is.
> > > Riding at a cadence of 200 rpm is not loosining your legs. That is a serious effort that needs concentration. Tom you did not do 200 rpm just because you had a tail wind. Ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > If you're having that much trouble with the English language perhaps you should refrain from commenting.
> Maybe you should stop making BS claims: 141 km/hr downhill speed and 200 rpm cadence (for 5 miles?).
>
> Lou
According to you. You're sounding more and more like Flunky and you know better. And I think my claim was for 60 mph and not 87. If you haven't been on the descent I was, don't tell me it can't be done.

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:31:37 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:59:37 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:44:58 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:39:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:03:44 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
> > > > > > > >> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
> > > > > > > >> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
> > > > > > > >achieve that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
> > > > > > > >self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
> > > > > > > >130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Roger Merriman
> > > > > > > My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
> > > > > > > disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
> > > > > > > spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
> > > > > > > is about 60.
> > > > > > Almost everyone tops out between 120 and 140 rpm on normal roads. On rollers maybe a bit higher.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > Lou, I told you at the time that when you're riding in a hard following wind you get the chance to loosen up your legs and holding that sort of cadence is not difficult. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that it can't be done. It requires a set of special circumstances and I had it for about 5 miles spun out in a 50-11.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that without a warmup and on rollers you think that means that it is unlikely doesn't mean that it is.
> > > > Riding at a cadence of 200 rpm is not loosining your legs. That is a serious effort that needs concentration. Tom you did not do 200 rpm just because you had a tail wind. Ridiculous.
> > > >
> > > > Lou
> > > If you're having that much trouble with the English language perhaps you should refrain from commenting.
> > Maybe you should stop making BS claims: 141 km/hr downhill speed and 200 rpm cadence (for 5 miles?).
> >
> > Lou
> According to you. You're sounding more and more like Flunky and you know better. And I think my claim was for 60 mph and not 87. If you haven't been on the descent I was, don't tell me it can't be done.

Nope it was in the 80 ties mph and that caught my attention. 60 would be unlikely for a 79 yo but possible if everything was optimal but not 80 something mph. After a lot of discussions with a lot of BShiting you admitted that it had to be a glitch of your Garmin or whatever like a lot of your BS claims end. A 200 rpm cadence you can’t reach out of the blue just because someone has a tailwind. Your link to that youtube clip proves that. Ask anyone here if he or she ever hit 200 rpm in a normal ride on normal streets. I’m waiting. That downhill guy that tries to set records on downhills hit 130 rpm IIRC pedalling fiercely on a 12% grade and you hit 200 rpm, yeah rightI was not on that descent but I’m sure you didn’t do it. Prove me wrong with data or a descent clip like the downhill guy. I will buy you a beer and a donut. I will end here because it is tiring arguing with you.

Lou

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 00:45:57 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:38:22?AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote::
>> I like your idea of adding a magnet. If one extra magnet can double
>> Tom's performance, imagine what adding a magnet on every spoke could
>> do.

>As a joke we added a magnet on a ridings buddy bike at a coffee stop. It was his birthday. Man he was confused ;-). I have a Garmin speed sensor that somehow detects the earth magnetic field. On certain overpasses the speed drop to a very low value. From 30 km/hr to lets say 12 km/hr. Every time.
>Lou

"How do Garmin Speed Sensors Measure Speed?"
<https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=9NL91YJSJd3Tnyif9jRSy6>
"The Garmin Bike Speed Sensor and Speed Sensor 2 both contain a
magnetometers that measures the three dimensional components of the
ambient magnetic field (similar to an accelerometer measuring
acceleration)..."

That's less than useful. I couldn't find anything specific with a
patent search. Measuring the earth's magnetic field is easy enough
with a Hall Effect device. However, I don't know how it might be used
to measure the velocity through this field. I need to think about
this.

My guesses(tm):
1. The rebar in the concrete was magnetized.
2. There was a vehicle detector loop buried in the road to operate a
vehicle counter or traffic signal.
3. There was a transmit loop in the road for a 1970's "sign post"
vehicle location system.
4. Someone buried a de-magnetizer (degausser) in the road.

If the sensor was mounted on the hub or fork, it would probably be too
far away from the buried loop for magnetic field coupling. However,
if it was mounted on the crank, it might be sufficiently close.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:31:37 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:59:37 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:44:58 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:39:02 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:03:44 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 21:21:10 GMT, Roger Merriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=200+rpm+cadence&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DANgJ5e-VWok
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mP8Pjexfk
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> The problem with people who pretend to know how to ride is that they've
> > > > > > > > >> never actually ridden enough to know what can be done.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I did 200 rpm with a very strong tailwind past Carnegie Cycle Park.
> > > > > > > > >> Almost all of the way into the town of Tracy.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> So why did the Great Pretenders here cry that it was impossible?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >They didn’t say it was impossible more that it’s improbable that you’d
> > > > > > > > >achieve that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Track cyclists and I’m sure this was noted at the time I probably did my
> > > > > > > > >self note that they can reach 200rpm personally I topped out at around the
> > > > > > > > >130rpm mark, though this is from memory and over a decade now!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Roger Merriman
> > > > > > > > My Garmin recorded max cadence numbers are full of errrors, but
> > > > > > > > disregarding the spikes the line runs between 95 and 115. I'm not a
> > > > > > > > spinner... My average cadence for 900+ rides over the last 14 years
> > > > > > > > is about 60.
> > > > > > > Almost everyone tops out between 120 and 140 rpm on normal roads. On rollers maybe a bit higher.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > Lou, I told you at the time that when you're riding in a hard following wind you get the chance to loosen up your legs and holding that sort of cadence is not difficult. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that it can't be done. It requires a set of special circumstances and I had it for about 5 miles spun out in a 50-11.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The fact that without a warmup and on rollers you think that means that it is unlikely doesn't mean that it is.
> > > > > Riding at a cadence of 200 rpm is not loosining your legs. That is a serious effort that needs concentration. Tom you did not do 200 rpm just because you had a tail wind. Ridiculous.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou
> > > > If you're having that much trouble with the English language perhaps you should refrain from commenting.
> > > Maybe you should stop making BS claims: 141 km/hr downhill speed and 200 rpm cadence (for 5 miles?).
> > >
> > > Lou
> > According to you. You're sounding more and more like Flunky and you know better. And I think my claim was for 60 mph and not 87. If you haven't been on the descent I was, don't tell me it can't be done.
> Nope it was in the 80 ties mph and that caught my attention. 60 would be unlikely for a 79 yo but possible if everything was optimal but not 80 something mph. After a lot of discussions with a lot of BShiting you admitted that it had to be a glitch of your Garmin or whatever like a lot of your BS claims end. A 200 rpm cadence you can’t reach out of the blue just because someone has a tailwind. Your link to that youtube clip proves that. Ask anyone here if he or she ever hit 200 rpm in a normal ride on normal streets. I’m waiting. That downhill guy that tries to set records on downhills hit 130 rpm IIRC pedalling fiercely on a 12% grade and you hit 200 rpm, yeah rightI was not on that descent but I’m sure you didn’t do it. Prove me wrong with data or a descent clip like the downhill guy. I will buy you a beer and a donut. I will end here because it is tiring arguing with you.
>
> Lou

That speed was 10 years ago when I first recovered from my concussion and still didn't have good sense and I would COMMONLY outrun everyone in a 15 member group two or three of which were excellent descenders.

But I must have been a very fast descender before my concussion because after my concussion when I still hadn't been properly treated they would find me laying on the ground or in a ditch and assume that I had made a mistake and not that I had had a seizure despite the fact that I could often still be having the seizure when they arrived. On the Redwood Road descent from Mariel Gate, it is only 2 miles or so and I would often be up the 1/4 mile 12% climb 2 miles further on waiting for them to arrive.

I climb like a snail now and I am very careful descending after some very close calls.

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:02:35 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 00:45:57 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 12:38:22?AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote::
> >> I like your idea of adding a magnet. If one extra magnet can double
> >> Tom's performance, imagine what adding a magnet on every spoke could
> >> do.
> >As a joke we added a magnet on a ridings buddy bike at a coffee stop. It was his birthday. Man he was confused ;-). I have a Garmin speed sensor that somehow detects the earth magnetic field. On certain overpasses the speed drop to a very low value. From 30 km/hr to lets say 12 km/hr. Every time.
> >Lou
> "How do Garmin Speed Sensors Measure Speed?"
> <https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=9NL91YJSJd3Tnyif9jRSy6>
> "The Garmin Bike Speed Sensor and Speed Sensor 2 both contain a
> magnetometers that measures the three dimensional components of the
> ambient magnetic field (similar to an accelerometer measuring
> acceleration)..."
>
> That's less than useful. I couldn't find anything specific with a
> patent search. Measuring the earth's magnetic field is easy enough
> with a Hall Effect device. However, I don't know how it might be used
> to measure the velocity through this field. I need to think about
> this.
>
> My guesses(tm):
> 1. The rebar in the concrete was magnetized.
> 2. There was a vehicle detector loop buried in the road to operate a
> vehicle counter or traffic signal.
> 3. There was a transmit loop in the road for a 1970's "sign post"
> vehicle location system.
> 4. Someone buried a de-magnetizer (degausser) in the road.
>
> If the sensor was mounted on the hub or fork, it would probably be too
> far away from the buried loop for magnetic field coupling. However,
> if it was mounted on the crank, it might be sufficiently close.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Strange thing is not all overpasses cause this drop in speed but more than one.

Lou

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>That speed was 10 years ago when I first recovered from my concussion

That would be 13 years ago:

<https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:ugcPost:6912346811772932096/>
"I got a severe concussion in 2010 that led to a type of seizures that
I didn't remember afterwards. This wasn't discovered and treated
properly until 2012 after 4 car wrecks luckily without any injuries"

>and still didn't have good sense and I would COMMONLY outrun everyone
>in a 15 member group two or three of which were excellent descenders.

You could outrun everyone while still having seizures and crashing
cars? I don't think so.

>But I must have been a very fast descender before my concussion because after my concussion when I still hadn't been properly treated they would find me laying on the ground or in a ditch and assume that I had made a mistake and not that I had had a seizure despite the fact that I could often still be having the seizure when they arrived. On the Redwood Road descent from Mariel Gate, it is only 2 miles or so and I would often be up the 1/4 mile 12% climb 2 miles further on waiting for them to arrive.

Amazing. All those details while you were having seizures and "I
didn't remember afterwards"? I don't think so.

>I climb like a snail now and I am very careful descending after some very close calls.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558