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* Re: Where can I buy a large analogue meter?Ricky
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Re: Where can I buy a large analogue meter?

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 by: Ricky - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 03:38 UTC

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:01 PM UTC-4, Jock wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 05:45:30 +1000, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> > On 4/14/2022 2:44 PM, Jock wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> Would you buy a 6.2 litre electric car?
> >> I'm not actually stupid enough to buy any electric car.
>
> > Wait 5 years. They will be much better in many ways.New battery
> > material, greater range,
> Still no use for me.
> > charging times not much different that pumping a tank of gas.
> Don't believe that will be seen in 5 years with a viable battery life.
>
> And the battery won't last anything like as long as a modern IC engine.
> My previous IC car lasted 45 years fine and only needed to be
> replaced because I was too stupid to fix the known windscreen leak
> with the car never garaged or car ported.

Ok, in 2040, where will you buy gasoline, at the airport? The remaining ICE on the road won't justify keeping open a distribution network for autos. While gas will drop to probably $2 a gal in the next couple of years as BEVs start to make a dent in the number of gas cars on the roads, that will only last so long before prices start going back up as it becomes more costly to maintain the distribution network for the smaller amount of gas being produced. As the demand drops, eventually it will be very expensive, like $10 a gallon, to get any gas at all, and it will all be unleaded regular. So don't plan on running your high performance, high compression muscle car..

The idea of running an ICE for another 45 years is pretty much a fantasy at this point.

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 by: Martin Brown - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 08:50 UTC

On 18/04/2022 04:38, Ricky wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:01 PM UTC-4, Jock wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 05:45:30 +1000, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/14/2022 2:44 PM, Jock wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Would you buy a 6.2 litre electric car?
>>>> I'm not actually stupid enough to buy any electric car.
>>
>>> Wait 5 years. They will be much better in many ways.New battery
>>> material, greater range,
>> Still no use for me.
>>> charging times not much different that pumping a tank of gas.
>> Don't believe that will be seen in 5 years with a viable battery life.
>>
>> And the battery won't last anything like as long as a modern IC engine.
>> My previous IC car lasted 45 years fine and only needed to be
>> replaced because I was too stupid to fix the known windscreen leak
>> with the car never garaged or car ported.
>
> Ok, in 2040, where will you buy gasoline, at the airport? The remaining ICE on the road won't justify keeping open a distribution network for autos. While gas will drop to probably $2 a gal in the next couple of years as BEVs start to make a dent in the number of gas cars on the roads, that will only last so long before prices start going back up as it becomes more costly to maintain the distribution network for the smaller amount of gas being produced. As the demand drops, eventually it will be very expensive, like $10 a gallon, to get any gas at all, and it will all be unleaded regular. So don't plan on running your high performance, high compression muscle car.
>
> The idea of running an ICE for another 45 years is pretty much a fantasy at this point.

We will have to wait and see. I don't believe any of the proposed
"plans" for moving to all EVs will work. There simply isn't enough
electricity generating capacity in the UK or Germany to go around.

Vintage cars get special dispensation. There are still a few running on
leaded fuel because conversion is impossible. Come to that there are a
few wood burning steam powered cars in the annual London to Brighton
race that are still going more than 100 years after they were built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtjeLwF1lP0

I predict some variant of a Mad Max crossed with Cuba future where
people cannibalise other vehicles for spares to keep the others going
for decades after their "use-by" date. I can't see petroleum refining
ever stopping - it is needed for aviation and for chemical feedstocks.

UK barely has enough electricity in winter to keep the lights on. And if
Russia turns off their gas tap then Germany will grind to a halt PDQ.

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Regards,
Martin Brown

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 by: Ricky - Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:44 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 4:50:56 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 18/04/2022 04:38, Ricky wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 4:26:01 PM UTC-4, Jock wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 05:45:30 +1000, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/14/2022 2:44 PM, Jock wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Would you buy a 6.2 litre electric car?
> >>>> I'm not actually stupid enough to buy any electric car.
> >>
> >>> Wait 5 years. They will be much better in many ways.New battery
> >>> material, greater range,
> >> Still no use for me.
> >>> charging times not much different that pumping a tank of gas.
> >> Don't believe that will be seen in 5 years with a viable battery life.
> >>
> >> And the battery won't last anything like as long as a modern IC engine..
> >> My previous IC car lasted 45 years fine and only needed to be
> >> replaced because I was too stupid to fix the known windscreen leak
> >> with the car never garaged or car ported.
> >
> > Ok, in 2040, where will you buy gasoline, at the airport? The remaining ICE on the road won't justify keeping open a distribution network for autos. While gas will drop to probably $2 a gal in the next couple of years as BEVs start to make a dent in the number of gas cars on the roads, that will only last so long before prices start going back up as it becomes more costly to maintain the distribution network for the smaller amount of gas being produced. As the demand drops, eventually it will be very expensive, like $10 a gallon, to get any gas at all, and it will all be unleaded regular. So don't plan on running your high performance, high compression muscle car..
> >
> > The idea of running an ICE for another 45 years is pretty much a fantasy at this point.
>
> We will have to wait and see. I don't believe any of the proposed
> "plans" for moving to all EVs will work. There simply isn't enough
> electricity generating capacity in the UK or Germany to go around.

From the many conversations I had with people from the UK, it is surprising you can keep your grid up currently. So adding even one more BEV may bring it crashing down. Yes, I agree about the UK. It is more like a third world country than anything. I expect here in Puerto Rico they are better equipped to support BEVs.

> Vintage cars get special dispensation. There are still a few running on
> leaded fuel because conversion is impossible. Come to that there are a
> few wood burning steam powered cars in the annual London to Brighton
> race that are still going more than 100 years after they were built.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtjeLwF1lP0
>
> I predict some variant of a Mad Max crossed with Cuba future where
> people cannibalise other vehicles for spares to keep the others going
> for decades after their "use-by" date. I can't see petroleum refining
> ever stopping - it is needed for aviation and for chemical feedstocks.

Actually, it isn't. All petroleum can be replaced with organic sources... that we don't need to wait millions of years for processing. It's a matter of time until that is more practical than it is today. The other alternative for many is hydrogen. Again, not entirely practical today, but it is being used and will be much more used as the source energy becomes cheaper.

> UK barely has enough electricity in winter to keep the lights on. And if
> Russia turns off their gas tap then Germany will grind to a halt PDQ.

Exactly. Think of Puerto Rico and hurricane Maria. Yeah, that's where the UK is headed, but mostly because of the defeatist attitude.

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Rick C.

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