At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU

He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
>
> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.

Video showing kids making coracle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLcICY4CUY

At 1:20 there is a notable parallel, they twine opposing twigs in the same way that Pygmies twine two opposing wicker poles of the dome roof.

On 12.5.2021. 23:13, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
>>
>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>
> Video showing kids making coracle.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLcICY4CUY
>
> At 1:20 there is a notable parallel, they twine opposing twigs in the same way that Pygmies twine two opposing wicker poles of the dome roof.

I wouldn't be surprised if tar from Arabian peninsula wouldn't help a
lot in making those big and waterproof.

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On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:18:35 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 12.5.2021. 23:13, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> >> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> >>
> >> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
> >
> > Video showing kids making coracle.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLcICY4CUY
> >
> > At 1:20 there is a notable parallel, they twine opposing twigs in the same way that Pygmies twine two opposing wicker poles of the dome roof.
> I wouldn't be surprised if tar from Arabian peninsula wouldn't help a
> lot in making those big and waterproof.
>
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Many materials have been used, tar too. The earliest was broad leaves and wicker frame. Yak hides, walurs split hide etc. were later.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op woensdag 12 mei 2021 om 23:02:17 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
> Sleep??

Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.

> Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .

You simply chose a random number, with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.

On 13.5.2021. 4:31, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:18:35 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 12.5.2021. 23:13, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
>>>>
>>>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>>>
>>> Video showing kids making coracle.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLcICY4CUY
>>>
>>> At 1:20 there is a notable parallel, they twine opposing twigs in the same way that Pygmies twine two opposing wicker poles of the dome roof.
>> I wouldn't be surprised if tar from Arabian peninsula wouldn't help a
>> lot in making those big and waterproof.
>
> Many materials have been used, tar too. The earliest was broad leaves and wicker frame. Yak hides, walurs split hide etc. were later.

You can produce those little boats with many materials. I was talking
about help in producing bigger boats, not just any boats. I mean, you
can use more hides, if you seal gaps between hides somehow. I presume
that tar would be helpful in that.

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On 13.5.2021. 4:39, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Op woensdag 12 mei 2021 om 23:02:17 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
>>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>> Sleep??
>
> Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
>
>> Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
>
> You simply chose a random number, with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
>

Sleep probably originates from the time when life originate, if life
depended on solar power (and probably it did). Every big animal has to
sleep (I presume, maybe not). When you are sleeping you are defenseless.
So, you chose sleeping place according to your abilities, sleeping place
has to be such that it is only you who can reach it.
Per my idea, apes adapted to living on cliffs precisely because cliffs
were their sleeping places. Bats sleep hanging from the cave floor. Why?
Because only them can fly in the dark. And so on.
We are *handy* animals. Not a lot of people understand that. Chimps
aren't handy, they are clinging animals, they don't have hands, they
have hooks. But, we do have hands. A lot of other primates have hands,
but they are using them for locomotion, so those hands primarily have to
be adapted to that. But, our hands are free, our hands can adapt for
hand-crafting.
And, this was like that in the last 10 my. And nobody understands that.
The reason why we progressed lately is very well known, but nobody
sees it. What do you need for progress? Everybody knows, a wealth to
invest it into a project. And this is what we had only lately. If you
don't have that, no progress, we could live African village lifestyle
for the next 5 my, no problemo. And our lifestyle will not show in
fossil record. These are all perishable things (except stone tools0.
Metal rusts. Gold doesn't rust, but, if you have gold, you don't leave
it around just like that, gold has value because it doesn't rust, and
everybody who deals with metals knows that.

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On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:41:06 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 13.5.2021. 4:31, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:18:35 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >> On 12.5.2021. 23:13, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> >>>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> >>>>
> >>>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
> >>>
> >>> Video showing kids making coracle.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLcICY4CUY
> >>>
> >>> At 1:20 there is a notable parallel, they twine opposing twigs in the same way that Pygmies twine two opposing wicker poles of the dome roof.
> >> I wouldn't be surprised if tar from Arabian peninsula wouldn't help a
> >> lot in making those big and waterproof.
> >
> > Many materials have been used, tar too. The earliest was broad leaves and wicker frame. Yak hides, walurs split hide etc. were later.
> You can produce those little boats with many materials. I was talking
> about help in producing bigger boats, not just any boats. I mean, you
> can use more hides, if you seal gaps between hides somehow. I presume
> that tar would be helpful in that.
>
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A boat twice the size, Eskimo umiak, made by slitting the thick walrus skin lengthwise, same done with cow hide (Irish currach) or yak hide (Tibetan khudru), does not need stitches or glue, holds 5 -10 people. To make a larger one, must stitch 2+ hides together and glue/tar seams, or weave big bamboo coracle and tar bottom (India parical, Iraqi kufa).

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:59:03 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 13.5.2021. 4:39, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Op woensdag 12 mei 2021 om 23:02:17 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> >>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> >>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
> >> Sleep??
> >
> > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
> >
> >> Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
> >
> > You simply chose a random number, with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
> >
> Sleep probably originates from the time when life originate, if life
> depended on solar power (and probably it did). Every big animal has to
> sleep (I presume, maybe not). When you are sleeping you are defenseless.
> So, you chose sleeping place according to your abilities, sleeping place
> has to be such that it is only you who can reach it.
> Per my idea, apes adapted to living on cliffs precisely because cliffs
> were their sleeping places. Bats sleep hanging from the cave floor. Why?
> Because only them can fly in the dark. And so on.
> We are *handy* animals. Not a lot of people understand that. Chimps
> aren't handy, they are clinging animals, they don't have hands, they
> have hooks. But, we do have hands. A lot of other primates have hands,
> but they are using them for locomotion, so those hands primarily have to
> be adapted to that. But, our hands are free, our hands can adapt for
> hand-crafting.

Our hands are made for carrying our weapons, tools & homes.

> And, this was like that in the last 10 my. And nobody understands that.
> The reason why we progressed lately is very well known, but nobody
> sees it. What do you need for progress? Everybody knows, a wealth to
> invest it into a project. And this is what we had only lately. If you
> don't have that, no progress, we could live African village lifestyle
> for the next 5 my, no problemo. And our lifestyle will not show in
> fossil record. These are all perishable things (except stone tools0.
> Metal rusts. Gold doesn't rust, but, if you have gold, you don't leave
> it around just like that, gold has value because it doesn't rust, and
> everybody who deals with metals knows that.

Iron rusts into ochre.

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On 13.5.2021. 5:16, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:41:06 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 13.5.2021. 4:31, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:18:35 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 12.5.2021. 23:13, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 5:02:17 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>>>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Video showing kids making coracle.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLcICY4CUY
>>>>>
>>>>> At 1:20 there is a notable parallel, they twine opposing twigs in the same way that Pygmies twine two opposing wicker poles of the dome roof.
>>>> I wouldn't be surprised if tar from Arabian peninsula wouldn't help a
>>>> lot in making those big and waterproof.
>>>
>>> Many materials have been used, tar too. The earliest was broad leaves and wicker frame. Yak hides, walurs split hide etc. were later.
>> You can produce those little boats with many materials. I was talking
>> about help in producing bigger boats, not just any boats. I mean, you
>> can use more hides, if you seal gaps between hides somehow. I presume
>> that tar would be helpful in that.
>
> A boat twice the size, Eskimo umiak, made by slitting the thick walrus skin lengthwise, same done with cow hide (Irish currach) or yak hide (Tibetan khudru), does not need stitches or glue, holds 5 -10 people. To make a larger one, must stitch 2+ hides together and glue/tar seams, or weave big bamboo coracle and tar bottom (India parical, Iraqi kufa).
>

Yes, that's what I meant.

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On 13.5.2021. 5:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:59:03 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 13.5.2021. 4:39, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Op woensdag 12 mei 2021 om 23:02:17 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>>>>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
>>>>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>>>> Sleep??
>>>
>>> Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
>>>
>>>> Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
>>>
>>> You simply chose a random number, with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
>>>
>> Sleep probably originates from the time when life originate, if life
>> depended on solar power (and probably it did). Every big animal has to
>> sleep (I presume, maybe not). When you are sleeping you are defenseless.
>> So, you chose sleeping place according to your abilities, sleeping place
>> has to be such that it is only you who can reach it.
>> Per my idea, apes adapted to living on cliffs precisely because cliffs
>> were their sleeping places. Bats sleep hanging from the cave floor. Why?
>> Because only them can fly in the dark. And so on.
>> We are *handy* animals. Not a lot of people understand that. Chimps
>> aren't handy, they are clinging animals, they don't have hands, they
>> have hooks. But, we do have hands. A lot of other primates have hands,
>> but they are using them for locomotion, so those hands primarily have to
>> be adapted to that. But, our hands are free, our hands can adapt for
>> hand-crafting.
>
> Our hands are made for carrying our weapons, tools & homes.
>
>> And, this was like that in the last 10 my. And nobody understands that.
>> The reason why we progressed lately is very well known, but nobody
>> sees it. What do you need for progress? Everybody knows, a wealth to
>> invest it into a project. And this is what we had only lately. If you
>> don't have that, no progress, we could live African village lifestyle
>> for the next 5 my, no problemo. And our lifestyle will not show in
>> fossil record. These are all perishable things (except stone tools0.
>> Metal rusts. Gold doesn't rust, but, if you have gold, you don't leave
>> it around just like that, gold has value because it doesn't rust, and
>> everybody who deals with metals knows that.
>
> Iron rusts into ochre.

What about hematite (we have iron only in the last 3 ky)?

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On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 11:29:55 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 13.5.2021. 5:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:59:03 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >> On 13.5.2021. 4:39, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Op woensdag 12 mei 2021 om 23:02:17 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> >>>>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> >>>>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
> >>>> Sleep??
> >>>
> >>> Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
> >>>
> >>>> Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
> >>>
> >>> You simply chose a random number, with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
> >>>
> >> Sleep probably originates from the time when life originate, if life
> >> depended on solar power (and probably it did). Every big animal has to
> >> sleep (I presume, maybe not). When you are sleeping you are defenseless.
> >> So, you chose sleeping place according to your abilities, sleeping place
> >> has to be such that it is only you who can reach it.
> >> Per my idea, apes adapted to living on cliffs precisely because cliffs
> >> were their sleeping places. Bats sleep hanging from the cave floor. Why?
> >> Because only them can fly in the dark. And so on.
> >> We are *handy* animals. Not a lot of people understand that. Chimps
> >> aren't handy, they are clinging animals, they don't have hands, they
> >> have hooks. But, we do have hands. A lot of other primates have hands,
> >> but they are using them for locomotion, so those hands primarily have to
> >> be adapted to that. But, our hands are free, our hands can adapt for
> >> hand-crafting.
> >
> > Our hands are made for carrying our weapons, tools & homes.
> >
> >> And, this was like that in the last 10 my. And nobody understands that.
> >> The reason why we progressed lately is very well known, but nobody
> >> sees it. What do you need for progress? Everybody knows, a wealth to
> >> invest it into a project. And this is what we had only lately. If you
> >> don't have that, no progress, we could live African village lifestyle
> >> for the next 5 my, no problemo. And our lifestyle will not show in
> >> fossil record. These are all perishable things (except stone tools0.
> >> Metal rusts. Gold doesn't rust, but, if you have gold, you don't leave
> >> it around just like that, gold has value because it doesn't rust, and
> >> everybody who deals with metals knows that.
> >
> > Iron rusts into ochre.
> What about hematite (we have iron only in the last 3 ky)?
>
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Red clay is very finely powdered ochre, extremely tiny flat hexagonal flakes of rust surrounded by water molecules and other stuff, afaik.

Op donderdag 13 mei 2021 om 04:39:54 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.

> > Sleep??

> Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.

Fantasy, based on 0.
What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??

> > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .

> You simply chose a random number,

No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article!
Don't you read it before posting?

______

>with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.

On 13.5.2021. 8:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 11:29:55 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 13.5.2021. 5:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 10:59:03 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 13.5.2021. 4:39, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Op woensdag 12 mei 2021 om 23:02:17 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>>>>>>> At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
>>>>>>> He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>>>>>> Sleep??
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
>>>>>
>>>>> You simply chose a random number, with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
>>>>>
>>>> Sleep probably originates from the time when life originate, if life
>>>> depended on solar power (and probably it did). Every big animal has to
>>>> sleep (I presume, maybe not). When you are sleeping you are defenseless.
>>>> So, you chose sleeping place according to your abilities, sleeping place
>>>> has to be such that it is only you who can reach it.
>>>> Per my idea, apes adapted to living on cliffs precisely because cliffs
>>>> were their sleeping places. Bats sleep hanging from the cave floor. Why?
>>>> Because only them can fly in the dark. And so on.
>>>> We are *handy* animals. Not a lot of people understand that. Chimps
>>>> aren't handy, they are clinging animals, they don't have hands, they
>>>> have hooks. But, we do have hands. A lot of other primates have hands,
>>>> but they are using them for locomotion, so those hands primarily have to
>>>> be adapted to that. But, our hands are free, our hands can adapt for
>>>> hand-crafting.
>>>
>>> Our hands are made for carrying our weapons, tools & homes.
>>>
>>>> And, this was like that in the last 10 my. And nobody understands that.
>>>> The reason why we progressed lately is very well known, but nobody
>>>> sees it. What do you need for progress? Everybody knows, a wealth to
>>>> invest it into a project. And this is what we had only lately. If you
>>>> don't have that, no progress, we could live African village lifestyle
>>>> for the next 5 my, no problemo. And our lifestyle will not show in
>>>> fossil record. These are all perishable things (except stone tools0.
>>>> Metal rusts. Gold doesn't rust, but, if you have gold, you don't leave
>>>> it around just like that, gold has value because it doesn't rust, and
>>>> everybody who deals with metals knows that.
>>>
>>> Iron rusts into ochre.

>> What about hematite (we have iron only in the last 3 ky)?
>
> Red clay is very finely powdered ochre, extremely tiny flat hexagonal flakes of rust surrounded by water molecules and other stuff, afaik.

Very interesting. Very thanks, :) .

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On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 3:28:45 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op donderdag 13 mei 2021 om 04:39:54 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>
> > > Sleep??
>
> > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
> Fantasy, based on 0.

No, continuously since the H/P split, arboreal vs terrestrial: walk // climb, ground dome // tree bowl, neither slept in littoral zone, both slept above littoral zone.

> What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??
> > > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
>
> > You simply chose a random number,
> No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article!
> Don't you read it before posting?

That was his estimated minimum age of coracle usage, specifically "original" hide-bound coracles! We are certain that hide-bound coracles were much later than vegetative bowl/dome structures cf ape bowl nests & human dome shelters (Congo, Ukraine, etc.) & universal basketry... The oldest boats were not directional, they just floated and were poled & hand-paddled. His coracle is of a much later vintage, with short wood paddle similar to the clay pot tool: short wood paddle.
>
> ______
> >with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .

Just did the Google, couldn't find any hard dating over a few
thousand years. Not for coracles.

Here's something interesting:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/8000-year-old-boat-building-platform-found-coast-britain-180972989/

It's less interesting for it's age, only 8k years old, than it is for
the fact that is emphasis what everybody outside of academia
already knows: IT'S ALL UNDERWATER!

The best places to live, their boats; all underwater.

-- --

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/110584004903

Op donderdag 13 mei 2021 om 16:50:16 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > > > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.

> > > > Sleep??

> > > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.

> > Fantasy, based on 0.

> No, continuously since the H/P split, arboreal vs terrestrial: walk // climb, ground dome // tree bowl, neither slept in littoral zone, both slept above littoral zone.

?? Why do you believe that?? ground???

H/P = c 5 Ma = aquarboreal, not unlikely salt water.

> > What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??

> > > > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .

> > > You simply chose a random number,

> > No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article! Don't you read it before posting?

> That was his estimated minimum age of coracle usage, specifically "original" hide-bound coracles! We are certain that hide-bound coracles were much later than vegetative bowl/dome structures cf ape bowl nests & human dome shelters (Congo, Ukraine, etc.) & universal basketry... The oldest boats were not directional, they just floated and were poled & hand-paddled. His coracle is of a much later vintage, with short wood paddle similar to the clay pot tool: short wood paddle.
> > ______
> > >with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.

IOW, coracles = irrelevant.

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 2:34:31 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op donderdag 13 mei 2021 om 16:50:16 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > > > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > > > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>
> > > > > Sleep??
>
> > > > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
>
> > > Fantasy, based on 0.
>
> > No, continuously since the H/P split, arboreal vs terrestrial: walk // climb, ground dome // tree bowl, neither slept in littoral zone, both slept above littoral zone.
> ?? Why do you believe that?? ground???
Where do you sleep?

>
> H/P = c 5 Ma = aquarboreal, not unlikely salt water.
> > > What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??
>
> > > > > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
>
> > > > You simply chose a random number,
>
> > > No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article! Don't you read it before posting?
>
> > That was his estimated minimum age of coracle usage, specifically "original" hide-bound coracles! We are certain that hide-bound coracles were much later than vegetative bowl/dome structures cf ape bowl nests & human dome shelters (Congo, Ukraine, etc.) & universal basketry... The oldest boats were not directional, they just floated and were poled & hand-paddled. His coracle is of a much later vintage, with short wood paddle similar to the clay pot tool: short wood paddle.
> > > ______
> > > >with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
> IOW, coracles = irrelevant to mermaids.

Op vrijdag 14 mei 2021 om 04:26:06 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > > > > > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > > > > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.

> > > > > > Sleep??

> > > > > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.

> > > > Fantasy, based on 0.

> > > No, continuously since the H/P split, arboreal vs terrestrial: walk // climb, ground dome // tree bowl, neither slept in littoral zone, both slept above littoral zone.

> > ?? Why do you believe that?? ground???

> Where do you sleep?

Where do you think?
I'm no H/P LCA.

> > H/P = c 5 Ma = aquarboreal, not unlikely salt water.

> > > > What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??

> > > > > > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .

> > > > > You simply chose a random number,
> > > > No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article! Don't you read it before posting?

> > > That was his estimated minimum age of coracle usage, specifically "original" hide-bound coracles! We are certain that hide-bound coracles were much later than vegetative bowl/dome structures cf ape bowl nests & human dome shelters (Congo, Ukraine, etc.) & universal basketry... The oldest boats were not directional, they just floated and were poled & hand-paddled. His coracle is of a much later vintage, with short wood paddle similar to the clay pot tool: short wood paddle.

> > > > >with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.

> > IOW, coracles = irrelevant to mermaids.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:49:35 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op vrijdag 14 mei 2021 om 04:26:06 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > > > > > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > > > > > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>
> > > > > > > Sleep??
>
> > > > > > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
>
> > > > > Fantasy, based on 0.
>
> > > > No, continuously since the H/P split, arboreal vs terrestrial: walk // climb, ground dome // tree bowl, neither slept in littoral zone, both slept above littoral zone.
>
> > > ?? Why do you believe that?? ground???
>
> > Where do you sleep?
> Where do you think?
> I'm no H/P LCA.
> > > H/P = c 5 Ma = aquarboreal, not unlikely salt water.
>
>
>
> > > > > What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??
>
> > > > > > > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
>
> > > > > > You simply chose a random number,
>
> > > > > No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article! Don't you read it before posting?
>
> > > > That was his estimated minimum age of coracle usage, specifically "original" hide-bound coracles! We are certain that hide-bound coracles were much later than vegetative bowl/dome structures cf ape bowl nests & human dome shelters (Congo, Ukraine, etc.) & universal basketry... The oldest boats were not directional, they just floated and were poled & hand-paddled. His coracle is of a much later vintage, with short wood paddle similar to the clay pot tool: short wood paddle.
> > > > > >with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
>
> > > IOW, coracles = irrelevant to mermaids.
-

Linguist Max Müller ridiculed all the "theories" about language origins
> with silly names and didn't endorse any of them. He knew that we didn't
> know enough for even an educated guess. He'd have a field day with the
> "domeshield theory."

Perhaps, if he enjoyed mocking language origin hypotheses without regard to their validity.
Domeshields are merely the most parsimonious step between arboreal bowl nests of our closest living genetic kin and the pre-rectified hearthed dome huts of early Homo sapiens, and remain in service today in specialized usages (coracles, umbrellas, parasols, basketry, etc.).

At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU

He's too large in sleep within, but a small Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.

Oldest domeshield was leaf-shingled allowing conversation through walls, pelts were a later addition.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_dome

https://geoship.is/dome/

Mongolu dome hut frames (2-3x larger than domeshields)

https://images.app.goo.gl/pqYbcq9YrCqk1YCb9

https://images.app.goo.gl/N9scLZ4Mtb52Tmv8A

https://images.app.goo.gl/4BuMTf67A9hJR92c6

https://images.app.goo.gl/GyRjycRSQ9EEiCWy7

Mbuti carrying nets, formerly shield frames/baskets
https://images.app.goo.gl/fDK46X2VYQYhLtwCA

Mbuti man with antelope, spear, net/basket/domeshield frame
https://images.app.goo.gl/ndwzdeweFJTwpBwEA

Spears (poles/digging sticks) & domeshields alone did not make us talk, but gave our ancestors a massive advantage in social survival yet allowing individual (pair bonds) independence far beyond other strict social species. That last bit is significant.

Op zaterdag 15 mei 2021 om 03:25:51 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > > > > > > > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > > > > > > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.

> > > > > > > > Sleep??

> > > > > > > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.

> > > > > > Fantasy, based on 0.

> > > > > No, continuously since the H/P split, arboreal vs terrestrial: walk // climb, ground dome // tree bowl, neither slept in littoral zone, both slept above littoral zone.

> > > > ?? Why do you believe that?? ground???

> > > Where do you sleep?

> > Where do you think? I'm no H/P LCA.

> > > > H/P = c 5 Ma = aquarboreal, not unlikely salt water.

> > > > > > What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??
> > > > > > > > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .

> > > > > > > You simply chose a random number,

> > > > > > No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article! Don't you read it before posting?

> > > > > That was his estimated minimum age of coracle usage, specifically "original" hide-bound coracles! We are certain that hide-bound coracles were much later than vegetative bowl/dome structures cf ape bowl nests & human dome shelters (Congo, Ukraine, etc.) & universal basketry... The oldest boats were not directional, they just floated and were poled & hand-paddled. His coracle is of a much later vintage, with short wood paddle similar to the clay pot tool: short wood paddle.

??
I'm not interested in your irrelevant fantasies.
Archaic Homo didn't need "boats" to Flores etc.
Google
"coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT".

> > > > > > >with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.

> > > > IOW, coracles = irrelevant to mermaids.

> Linguist Max Müller ridiculed all the "theories" about language origins

Language origins are no mystery any more:
google
"speech language origins PPT verhaegen"

On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 5:28:18 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op zaterdag 15 mei 2021 om 03:25:51 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > > > > > > > > At 1 minute, gent walks carrying a coracle on a paddle (punt pole, spear, digging stick)
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPMJlXD1pU
> > > > > > > > > > He's too large in sleep within, but a Pygmy woman and infant would fit snug. Covered with a hide, wicker framed.
>
> > > > > > > > > Sleep??
>
> > > > > > > > Yes, real humans sleep, not underwater in giant clamshells like mermaids, but in constructed shelters, now much larger than in the past.
>
> > > > > > > Fantasy, based on 0.
>
> > > > > > No, continuously since the H/P split, arboreal vs terrestrial: walk // climb, ground dome // tree bowl, neither slept in littoral zone, both slept above littoral zone.
>
> > > > > ?? Why do you believe that?? ground???
>
> > > > Where do you sleep?
>
> > > Where do you think? I'm no H/P LCA.

You sleep in a constructed shelter as your hominin ancestors did.

> > > > > H/P = c 5 Ma = aquarboreal, not unlikely salt water.

> > > > > > > What time are you speaking?? 20 ka?? 1 Ma?? 3 Ma??
>
> > > > > > > > > Perhaps 20 ka: this has 0 to do with human evolution, .
>
> > > > > > > > You simply chose a random number,
>
> > > > > > > No, my boy: it's mentioned in the article! Don't you read it before posting?
>
> > > > > > That was his estimated minimum age of coracle usage, specifically "original" hide-bound coracles! We are certain that hide-bound coracles were much later than vegetative bowl/dome structures cf ape bowl nests & human dome shelters (Congo, Ukraine, etc.) & universal basketry... The oldest boats were not directional, they just floated and were poled & hand-paddled. His coracle is of a much later vintage, with short wood paddle similar to the clay pot tool: short wood paddle.
> ??
> I'm not interested in your irrelevant fantasies.

Like Wonderwerk Cave 1.8ma in Kalahari?
Why don't you inform the aat.io mermaids about that?

> Archaic Homo didn't need "boats" to Flores etc.
NWM swam to South America? Did they ride sea horses with Jack?

> Google
> "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT".
> > > > > > > >with no logic or evidence, obviously. By 20ka humans were on all continents but antarctica, and most large islands. You think they swam there? Nonsense, coracles were used long before then.
>
> > > > > IOW, coracles = irrelevant to mermaids.

> > Linguist Max Müller ridiculed all the "theories" about language origins
> Language origins are no mystery any more:
> google
> "speech language origins PPT verhaegen"

Marine parrots diving & backfloating??