On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 09:31:45 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:

>On 8/4/22 8:00 am, whit3rd wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 11:37:26 AM UTC-7, Rich S wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 2:26:21 PM UTC, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>>> Piotr Wyderski wrote:
>>>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Krytrons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7vgkcixeh6yq8u5/AACFEouJ3zXhuV7INJZ5bZhVa?dl=0
>>>>>
>>>>> This is precisely what I had in mind, but wanted Mike to discover it
>>>>> himself. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards, Piotr
>>>> I have half a dozen in my lab drawer, given to me by a departing IBM
>>>> colleague. Super beasty gizmos, plus they're not on the US Munitions
>>>> List anymore!
>>
>>> John, Phil,
>>> Fascinating.
>>> would these 1940s tech have any use today?
>>
>> Yeah. For fast switching of current, accelerator folk use 'em to
>> load electron bunches into synchrotron rings. One engineer of my acquaintance
>> ordered some, and got a visit from men wearing suits who asked questions.
>>
>> It's not dissimilar to a lightning arrestor. Hard to get a solid-state equivalent.
>
>It looks like the kind of thing that a competent lab glassware tech
>could make pretty easily. Are there any exotic materials in them?

A radioactive isotope of nickel. And some gas, hydrogen or krypton.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:27:54 PM UTC-7, Edward Hernandez wrote:
> The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
> <sdhn7c$pkp$4...@dont-email.me>:
>
> > The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...
>
> And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
> <sg3kr7$qt5$1...@dont-email.me>:
>
> > The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> > breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> > CLUELESS...
> And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
> formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
> Mon, 4 Apr 2022 05:27:41 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
> <t2dvkd$4fj$3...@dont-email.me>).
>
> NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.
> Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
> <svsh05$lbh$5...@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
> (UTC):
>
> > Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> > except insults to this group.
>
> Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
> USENET has been 53.8% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
> to USENET.
>
> This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
> readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
> follow the rules it uses to troll other posters.
> T0Y6K5sOBbX2

Hey Eddie, you are BORING, and I mean BORING! Try getting a life!!

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 00:55:24 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

>Russia has screwed itself. It is amazing how much trouble one man has
>caused.
>
>1. Russia is in trouble, most of its weapons are MADE in Ukraine
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPKi8D5R2Wg
>
>2. Russia's only tank manufacturer, Uralvagonzavod, has stopped its
>production. The main reason for this is a lack of component parts.
>
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FObJ6haXIAM-lFV?format=jpg&name=small
>
>3. Russia has no advanced semiconductor industry
>
>“Russia is cut off from modern semiconductors as it has no advanced
>semiconductor industry of its own and has relied on TSMC entirely to make
>its leading-edge chips,” says Orme.Mar 3, 2022
>
>4. Taiwan’s semiconductor ban could spell catastrophe for Russia
>
>Russia is dependent on Taiwan's semiconductors for everything from the
>manufacture of laptops to military equipment. The cutting off of this
>supply may be disastrous for Russia.
>
>Russia’s reliance on Taiwan for semiconductors
>
>Russia is wholly dependent on TSMC for the high-end semiconductors required
>for the manufacture of anything from laptops and smartphones to equipment
>for the country’s military and security services.
>
>5. Is Russia out of semiconductor options?
>
>Samsung, Russia’s only real alternative to TSMC for high-end contract
>manufacturing services, now comes under South Korea's semiconductor export
>embargo on Russia. “Russia is cut off from modern semiconductors as it has
>no advanced semiconductor industry of its own and has relied on TSMC
>entirely to make its leading-edge chips,” says Orme. TSMC, along with South
>Korea’s Samsung, has a monopoly on five-nanometre chips – the most
>widespread small chip in circulation used by companies including Apple,
>Qualcomm and Huawei.
>
>https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/special-focus/ukraine-crisis/taiwan-
>semiconductor-ban-russia-catastrophe
>
>6. Russia faces 'brain drain' as thousands flee abroad since start of war
>with Ukraine - BBC News
>- as many as 200,000 have left Russia
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=635iLwWdsU4
>
>7. Mass layoffs in Russia. Sanctions over the war affect the employment of
>ordinary Russians
>- as many as 500,000 may be laid off starting in April
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVrxeldECXg

Amazing if true:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldiers-revolting-as-they-get-stiffed-on-ukraine-payouts-according-to-intercepted-calls?via=rss&source=articles_fancylink

Soldiers get cranky if they are not fed and not paid.

We may have an inflection point in warfare: cheap weapons used by
smart people can take out expensive tanks, planes, helicopters, and
ships commanded by stodgy old farts.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:10:13 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

>
>Amazing if true:
>
>https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldiers-revolting-as-they-get-stiffed-on-ukraine-payouts-according-to-intercepted-calls?via=rss&source=articles_fancylink
>
>Soldiers get cranky if they are not fed and not paid.
>
>We may have an inflection point in warfare: cheap weapons used by
>smart people can take out expensive tanks, planes, helicopters, and
>ships commanded by stodgy old farts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-moskva-cruiser-sunk-stormy-seas-defense-ministry

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:10:13 -0700, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Amazing if true:
>>
>>https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldiers-revolting-as-they-get-stif
>>fed-on-ukraine-payouts-according-to-intercepted-calls?via=rss&source=arti
>>cles_fancylink
>>
>>Soldiers get cranky if they are not fed and not paid.
>>
>>We may have an inflection point in warfare: cheap weapons used by
>>smart people can take out expensive tanks, planes, helicopters, and
>>ships commanded by stodgy old farts.
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-moskva-cruiser-sunk-
> stormy-seas-defense-ministry

The missiles were designed and built by Ukraine. Quote:

"Neptune Anti-Ship Missile

The Neptune is based on the Soviet-era Zvezda Kh-35 anti-ship missile, but
it comes with improved electronics, a larger body, and a vastly better
operational range.

The Neptune anti-ship missile was developed by the Luch design bureau. It
uses R-360 anti-ship cruise missile. First announced in 2013, the anti-ship
missile completed its first operational tests three years later. In 2019,
the Ukrainian military completed the development of the Neptune and ordered
the first batches.

At over 5 meters, the Neptune carries a 320-pound High Explosive
Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) warhead that can sink vessels up to 5,000 tonnes,
for example, destroyers and frigates. The fact that it might have sunk the
Moskva means that the Ukrainians either fired more than missiles or that it
struck a magazine.

The Neptune anti-ship missile uses an internal navigation system to home on
its target and will fly 10-15 meters above the water on its way to the
target but will drop to 3-10 meters on its final approach so as to counter
any ship defenses.

The Neptune anti-ship missile has a reported range of almost 175 miles, and
it can be fired from land, air, and water. Before the Russian invasion, the
Ukrainian military was planning on purchasing up to 90 launcher vehicles
with Neptune missiles, but the Russian attack has put that plan on hold.
Before the invasion, the Ukrainians had an estimated 20 launchers."

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/04/meet-the-neptune-ukraines-homemade-
cruise-missile-that-struck-the-moskva/

Russia has moved their other warships further out to sea to avoid further
attacks.

Russia has a lot of problems with boats. The carrier Admiral Kuznetsov had
engine problems that required a sea-going tug to follow her, she lost two
fighters in accidents and later suffered damage when a floating drydock
sank:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZPGw5kQPhA

The navy suffered a hilarious series of incompetent failures during a long
voyage in 1904. The tale starts at 12:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag

--
MRM

On 15/4/22 9:02 am, Mike Monett wrote:
> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:10:13 -0700, John Larkin
>> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Amazing if true:
>>>
>>> https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldiers-revolting-as-they-get-stif
>>> fed-on-ukraine-payouts-according-to-intercepted-calls?via=rss&source=arti
>>> cles_fancylink
>>>
>>> Soldiers get cranky if they are not fed and not paid.
>>>
>>> We may have an inflection point in warfare: cheap weapons used by
>>> smart people can take out expensive tanks, planes, helicopters, and
>>> ships commanded by stodgy old farts.
>>
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-moskva-cruiser-sunk-
>> stormy-seas-defense-ministry
>
> The missiles were designed and built by Ukraine. Quote:
>
> "Neptune Anti-Ship Missile
>
> The Neptune is based on the Soviet-era Zvezda Kh-35 anti-ship missile, but
> it comes with improved electronics, a larger body, and a vastly better
> operational range.
>
> The Neptune anti-ship missile was developed by the Luch design bureau. It
> uses R-360 anti-ship cruise missile. First announced in 2013, the anti-ship
> missile completed its first operational tests three years later. In 2019,
> the Ukrainian military completed the development of the Neptune and ordered
> the first batches.
>
> At over 5 meters, the Neptune carries a 320-pound High Explosive
> Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) warhead that can sink vessels up to 5,000 tonnes,
> for example, destroyers and frigates. The fact that it might have sunk the
> Moskva means that the Ukrainians either fired more than missiles or that it
> struck a magazine.
>
> The Neptune anti-ship missile uses an internal navigation system to home on
> its target and will fly 10-15 meters above the water on its way to the
> target but will drop to 3-10 meters on its final approach so as to counter
> any ship defenses.
>
> The Neptune anti-ship missile has a reported range of almost 175 miles, and
> it can be fired from land, air, and water. Before the Russian invasion, the
> Ukrainian military was planning on purchasing up to 90 launcher vehicles
> with Neptune missiles, but the Russian attack has put that plan on hold.
> Before the invasion, the Ukrainians had an estimated 20 launchers."
>
> https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/04/meet-the-neptune-ukraines-homemade-
> cruise-missile-that-struck-the-moskva/
>
> Russia has moved their other warships further out to sea to avoid further
> attacks.

The ship defense system consists of radar that can reportedly
automatically track and engage five incoming missiles at once, with six
30mm Gatling guns at 4000rounds/minute at 5000m range.

One report says the Ukrainians launched a volley of eight Neptunes at
once, another that two of them struck the Moscva. And that there was a
Bayraktar running a diversion flight.

"Sank while being towed in a storm" - except the weather data shows
there was no storm.

CH

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 10:11:11 +1000, Clifford Heath
<no.spam@please.net> wrote:

>On 15/4/22 9:02 am, Mike Monett wrote:
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:10:13 -0700, John Larkin
>>> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amazing if true:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-soldiers-revolting-as-they-get-stif
>>>> fed-on-ukraine-payouts-according-to-intercepted-calls?via=rss&source=arti
>>>> cles_fancylink
>>>>
>>>> Soldiers get cranky if they are not fed and not paid.
>>>>
>>>> We may have an inflection point in warfare: cheap weapons used by
>>>> smart people can take out expensive tanks, planes, helicopters, and
>>>> ships commanded by stodgy old farts.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-moskva-cruiser-sunk-
>>> stormy-seas-defense-ministry
>>
>> The missiles were designed and built by Ukraine. Quote:
>>
>> "Neptune Anti-Ship Missile
>>
>> The Neptune is based on the Soviet-era Zvezda Kh-35 anti-ship missile, but
>> it comes with improved electronics, a larger body, and a vastly better
>> operational range.
>>
>> The Neptune anti-ship missile was developed by the Luch design bureau. It
>> uses R-360 anti-ship cruise missile. First announced in 2013, the anti-ship
>> missile completed its first operational tests three years later. In 2019,
>> the Ukrainian military completed the development of the Neptune and ordered
>> the first batches.
>>
>> At over 5 meters, the Neptune carries a 320-pound High Explosive
>> Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) warhead that can sink vessels up to 5,000 tonnes,
>> for example, destroyers and frigates. The fact that it might have sunk the
>> Moskva means that the Ukrainians either fired more than missiles or that it
>> struck a magazine.
>>
>> The Neptune anti-ship missile uses an internal navigation system to home on
>> its target and will fly 10-15 meters above the water on its way to the
>> target but will drop to 3-10 meters on its final approach so as to counter
>> any ship defenses.
>>
>> The Neptune anti-ship missile has a reported range of almost 175 miles, and
>> it can be fired from land, air, and water. Before the Russian invasion, the
>> Ukrainian military was planning on purchasing up to 90 launcher vehicles
>> with Neptune missiles, but the Russian attack has put that plan on hold.
>> Before the invasion, the Ukrainians had an estimated 20 launchers."
>>
>> https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/04/meet-the-neptune-ukraines-homemade-
>> cruise-missile-that-struck-the-moskva/
>>
>> Russia has moved their other warships further out to sea to avoid further
>> attacks.
>
>The ship defense system consists of radar that can reportedly
>automatically track and engage five incoming missiles at once, with six
>30mm Gatling guns at 4000rounds/minute at 5000m range.
>
>One report says the Ukrainians launched a volley of eight Neptunes at
>once, another that two of them struck the Moscva. And that there was a
>Bayraktar running a diversion flight.
>
>"Sank while being towed in a storm" - except the weather data shows
>there was no storm.
>
>CH

The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
[...]

>
> The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
> money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
>

I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
when your sons and daughters fail to come back.

Jeroen Belleman

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in news:t3cajv$n33$1
@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
> [...]
>
>>
>> The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
>> money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
>>
>
> I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
> prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
> and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
> when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
>
> Jeroen Belleman
>

Moskva cruiser currently testing new submarine cruise capabilities.

ALL of the "Atlant" class ships sport the same weakness. The were
made by Russians.

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

> On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
> [...]
>
>>
>> The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
>> money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
>>
>
> I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
> prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
> and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
> when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
>
> Jeroen Belleman

In this case, it's true. One commander committed suicide when he discovered 9
out of 10 reserve tanks were stripped of everything saleable. All the
oligarchs became fabulously rich by embezzling everything they could get
their hands on.

The Russians are pathetic, weak and disorganized. That is why they are
losing. They are going to get much weaker when the sanctions kick in.

--
MRM

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
> Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in news:t3cajv$n33$1
> @gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>>
>>> The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
>>> money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
>>>
>>
>> I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
>> prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
>> and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
>> when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
>>

There's a difference between belittling the enemy and forming an
accurate estimation of his (mostly low) capabilities. The one is
stupid, the other is smart. "Base your plans on the enemy's
capabilities, not his intentions."

> Moskva cruiser currently testing new submarine cruise capabilities.

Note to self: don't name warships after your country or your capital
city. (Or your head of state, ideally, though the British got pretty
close to doing that with the King George-V-class battleships during the
reign of King George VI).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 18:57:07 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

>Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>>
>>> The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
>>> money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
>>>
>>
>> I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
>> prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
>> and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
>> when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
>>
>> Jeroen Belleman
>
>In this case, it's true. One commander committed suicide when he discovered 9
>out of 10 reserve tanks were stripped of everything saleable. All the
>oligarchs became fabulously rich by embezzling everything they could get
>their hands on.
>
>The Russians are pathetic, weak and disorganized. That is why they are
>losing. They are going to get much weaker when the sanctions kick in.

I just heard a report on NPR that says Putin is worth $200 billion.

A lot of his buddies are not going to be happy about their $300
million yachts being seized.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 18:57:07 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
> wrote:

[...]

>>In this case, it's true. One commander committed suicide when he
>>discovered 9 out of 10 reserve tanks were stripped of everything
>>saleable. All the oligarchs became fabulously rich by embezzling
>>everything they could get their hands on.
>>
>>The Russians are pathetic, weak and disorganized. That is why they are
>>losing. They are going to get much weaker when the sanctions kick in.
>
> I just heard a report on NPR that says Putin is worth $200 billion.
>
> A lot of his buddies are not going to be happy about their $300
> million yachts being seized.

A lot of russian currency reserves are seized and not available to russia.

New estimates are a million or more of highly educated and skilled russians
have fled. These people are needed to keep the country running. Use your
imagination to see what will happen as the fabric of a country disappears.

--
MRM

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:12:23 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
wrote:

>John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 18:57:07 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
>> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>>In this case, it's true. One commander committed suicide when he
>>>discovered 9 out of 10 reserve tanks were stripped of everything
>>>saleable. All the oligarchs became fabulously rich by embezzling
>>>everything they could get their hands on.
>>>
>>>The Russians are pathetic, weak and disorganized. That is why they are
>>>losing. They are going to get much weaker when the sanctions kick in.
>>
>> I just heard a report on NPR that says Putin is worth $200 billion.
>>
>> A lot of his buddies are not going to be happy about their $300
>> million yachts being seized.
>
>A lot of russian currency reserves are seized and not available to russia.
>
>New estimates are a million or more of highly educated and skilled russians
>have fled. These people are needed to keep the country running. Use your
>imagination to see what will happen as the fabric of a country disappears.

The fraction of russian nationalist morons will increase.

When I was there, I worked for Rodos, a jewish guy with big desk in a
fancy office and a big staff. He wanted to meet the "american
capitalist" (said with obvious humor) who was working on his project.
I was told that the country was run by smart jews who could never rise
above mid-level in the power structure.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
> > money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
> >
> I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
> prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
> and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
> when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
>
> Jeroen Belleman

I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war. Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did), but it turned out that they got their asses kicked. They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps. Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army. Russian soldiers are conscripts barely out of basic training. Now, Russia has lost TWO flagship guided missile cruisers to Ukrainian defenses - not the game plan that Putin envisioned.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> > > On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
> > > > money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
> > > >
> > > I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
> > > prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
> > > and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
> > > when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
> > >
> > I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war.
> That would be a first. More to the point, John Larkin isn't well placed to make any kind of assessment, any more than Flyguy is. That what military intelligence is for, and US military intelligence shipped a lot of anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to the Ukraine when Russia first started massing troops around the borders of the Ukraine.
> > Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did),
> Not that Flyguy can be bothered to cite a link to anything published at the time that might have had some credibility. Flyguy's own opinion doesn't.
> > but it turned out that they got their asses kicked.
> They clearly haven't done as well as they expected, but they seem to have captured a substantial chunk of Mariupol.
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/the-battle-of-mariupol-russia-ukraine-invasion/100992682
>
> If the Ukrainians can kick them out again, you might be able to talk of ass-kicking.
> >They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps.
> Not exactly. Even the most professional officer corps has to concentrate on the targets it's high command tells them to go after.
> >Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army.
> It shouldn't happen, but if the battle plan depended on them capturing more territory than turned out to be attainable, the logistics have to be rejigged, which takes time and effort,
> > Russian soldiers are conscripts barely out of basic training. Now, Russia has lost TWO flagship guided missile cruisers to Ukrainian defenses - not the game plan that Putin envisioned.
> > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war
> No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.
>
> https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/05/04/no-plan/
>
> The Russians seem to have been just as unrealistic as the Americans were in Irak, but while the Americans had a useful military advantage in Irak, the Russians had less of an edge (if any) over the Ukrainian military. Of course there are lot more Russians, even if quite a few of them are now dead or injured.
>
> --
> SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

Hey SNIPPERMAN, everybody thought the Russians would take Ukraine quickly - YOU provide a link to anyone who thought otherwise. And you don't count - you can't even spell Iraq.

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:vesl5ht1et8366btu7o65ohkje42qri1fs@4ax.com:

> I just heard a report on NPR that says Putin is worth $200 billion.
>
> A lot of his buddies are not going to be happy about their $300
> million yachts being seized.
>

Putin is the biggest modern day thief in the world. ALL of his
billions were from him buying a property at artificially devalued
prives and then jacking them the next day to double that valuation or
more. A trick he learned from Trump.

In any free nation in the world, he would go to prison for it.

Afew of the Trumps just might, and they damn well should too.
Kushner as well, for the same crap.

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:02:23 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:28:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
> > > > > > money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
> > > > > >
> > > > > I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
> > > > > prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
> > > > > and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
> > > > > when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
> > > > >
> > > > I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war.
> > >
> > > That would be a first. More to the point, John Larkin isn't well placed to make any kind of assessment, any more than Flyguy is. That what military intelligence is for, and US military intelligence shipped a lot of anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to the Ukraine when Russia first started massing troops around the borders of the Ukraine.
> > >
> > > > Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did),
> > >
> > > Not that Flyguy can be bothered to cite a link to anything published at the time that might have had some credibility. Flyguy's own opinion doesn't.
> > > > but it turned out that they got their asses kicked.
> > >
> > > They clearly haven't done as well as they expected, but they seem to have captured a substantial chunk of Mariupol.
> > >
> > > https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/the-battle-of-mariupol-russia-ukraine-invasion/100992682
> > >
> > > If the Ukrainians can kick them out again, you might be able to talk of ass-kicking.
> > >
> > > >They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps.
> > >
> > > Not exactly. Even the most professional officer corps has to concentrate on the targets it's high command tells them to go after.
> > >
> > > >Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army.
> > > It shouldn't happen, but if the battle plan depended on them capturing more territory than turned out to be attainable, the logistics have to be rejigged, which takes time and effort,
> > >
> > > > Russian soldiers are conscripts barely out of basic training. Now, Russia has lost TWO flagship guided missile cruisers to Ukrainian defenses - not the game plan that Putin envisioned.
> > > > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war.
> > >
> > > No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.
> > >
> > > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/05/04/no-plan/
> > >
> > > The Russians seem to have been just as unrealistic as the Americans were in Irak, but while the Americans had a useful military advantage in Irak, the Russians had less of an edge (if any) over the Ukrainian military. Of course there are lot more Russians, even if quite a few of them are now dead or injured.
> >
> > Hey Sloman, everybody thought the Russians would take Ukraine quickly - YOU provide a link to anyone who thought otherwise.
>
> You made the claim. You find the evidence to support it.
>
> https://www.vox.com/22954833/russia-ukraine-invasion-strategy-putin-kyiv
>
> does suggest that the Russians thought that it would be a cake walk.
>
> So - it seems - did Donald Trump
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/28/invasion-looking-less-smart-daily-republicans-wont-criticize-trumps-putin-praise/
>
> You seem to be silly enough to take Donald Trump seriously. Maybe this was what you had in whatever it is you use instead of your own demented mind.
> > And you don't count - you can't even spell Iraq.
> It's a known - if dated - English language spelling of the country's name.. It is the spelling used in the Netherlands where I was living when the US invasion of the country took place. Your ignorance of the fact that it is known variation is just one more bit of evidence that you are an ignorant twit.
>
> --
> SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

Hey SNIPPERMAN, that was common knowledge from every expert I listened to - you prove otherwise.

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 8:14:31 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:18:25 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:02:23 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:28:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > Hey Sloman, everybody thought the Russians would take Ukraine quickly - YOU provide a link to anyone who thought otherwise.
> > >
> > > You made the claim. You find the evidence to support it.
> > >
> > > https://www.vox.com/22954833/russia-ukraine-invasion-strategy-putin-kyiv
> > >
> > > does suggest that the Russians thought that it would be a cake walk.
> > >
> > > So - it seems - did Donald Trump
> > >
> > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/28/invasion-looking-less-smart-daily-republicans-wont-criticize-trumps-putin-praise/
> > >
> > > You seem to be silly enough to take Donald Trump seriously. Maybe this was what you had in whatever it is you use instead of your own demented mind.
> <snip>
>
> > Hey Sloman, that was common knowledge from every expert I listened to - you prove otherwise.
>
> That suggests that the only "expert" you listened to was Donald J. Trump. That makes sense, which is not something you can manage.
>
> --
> SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

Hey SNIPPERMAN, who said ANYTHING about Trump EXCEPT YOU?

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 10:00:18 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 10:39:18 AM UTC-7, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> > > On 2022-04-15 19:03, John Larkin wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > The Russian military is pathetic. There are reports that most of the
> > > > money spent to amp up for the Ukranian campaign was embezzled.
> > > >
> > > I'd be careful if I were you. This sort of talk is how you get
> > > prepped for war, making you believe the enemy is pathetic, weak
> > > and disorganized. It's never true enough to win. You'll find out
> > > when your sons and daughters fail to come back.
> > >
> > I think John made an accurate assessment, which is what you want in order to AVOID war.
> That would be a first. More to the point, John Larkin isn't well placed to make any kind of assessment, any more than Flyguy is. That what military intelligence is for, and US military intelligence shipped a lot of anti-tank and antiaircraft missiles to the Ukraine when Russia first started massing troops around the borders of the Ukraine.
> > Everybody thought that the Russkies would take Ukraine in a week (I did),
> Not that Flyguy can be bothered to cite a link to anything published at the time that might have had some credibility. Flyguy's own opinion doesn't.
> > but it turned out that they got their asses kicked.
> They clearly haven't done as well as they expected, but they seem to have captured a substantial chunk of Mariupol.
>
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-16/the-battle-of-mariupol-russia-ukraine-invasion/100992682
>
> If the Ukrainians can kick them out again, you might be able to talk of ass-kicking.
> >They are inept and mostly target civilians, a sign that they are not being led by a professional officer corps.
> Not exactly. Even the most professional officer corps has to concentrate on the targets it's high command tells them to go after.
> >Their tanks are running out fuel (?!) and their troops food. This is inexcusable for a professional army.
> It shouldn't happen, but if the battle plan depended on them capturing more territory than turned out to be attainable, the logistics have to be rejigged, which takes time and effort,

NEWS FLASH: SNIPPERMAN AGREES WITH FLYGUY!!!!